Alpha Wolf at Welcome to Rockville 2026 - PipemanRadio Interview

0:04 Hi, you love done to censure? Wow for you you thank guys. Say, this is the pipe Man here on the Adventures pipe Man W four c Y Radio and I'm here with Sabian and Lucky. From Elf Wolf. Yes, and okay, I gotta tell all the listeners we are just about to start the interview. We were told we wouldn't have much time because it was already a code orange, but that meant we probably had like fifteen to twenty minutes and then two seconds later code read fastest code read ever.

1:00 Ever get out of you. We've never experienced this right, Oh, new to us. So now we're back in the trailer doing the interview. We had to jump it through a few hoops, but we made it happen and we are sheltering in place, so we're good to go. Is that security guard you beat up? Okay, not so much now. I just went and got somebody that could scored. Yeah, you know, I thought you would be able to that's weird. Apparently not, guess not? Okay, and look at okay, you're Australian. You got pro bash shops hat on? Did you get that across the street? I got this yesterday in Jacksonville.

1:42 Oh really, yeah, see, because there's one right across the street. From have to get another one. Honestly, they're like ten bucks. I've been here like five times and I see them everywhere. I don't fish, I don't hunt. I don't even go outside that much. It's just a cool hat. It's just a cool hat, man. See. I like your style. Yeah, you know, I don't know any of their songs, Like, yeah, they're they're they're Daytona band. They're called pro bash Shops and they all just play bass. Could you imagine a band that only had bass, Like everybody in the bad played bass. That probably exists and it probably sucks. It probably doesn't.

2:25 Do they have? Is that it. Too? That's no big deal? Like fourteen string bass guitar? I know a band that one dude has this cool guitar thats both the guitar and bass, Like the upper neck is a bass and the lower neck is a guitar and he plays that ship. That's kind of sick. I can't even play a normal guitar. Let line that right? Like how you what if you like if you can't figure out which neck you're supposed to be, like you forget which is the bass and which is the guitar. Maybe in the future when we have four arms, right yeah, yeah, but right now are. You planning that? Is that like an Australian thing to people? Like in the Digua.

3:05 We're working on it, Like I got to Luckey Towse sometimes and he's got an arm growing out of his closet. But it's not fully formed yet. Yeah, it hasn't developed sentience yet, so we can't like we can't teach it patterns like guitar riffs and stuff like that. How long before it's ready. I think it's been going for about fourteen weeks now and I think maybe like another thirty to thirty six weeks until there'll be a brain stem attached. Now, is that gonna be like AI and just eliminating guitarists. It's a clone of Sabian's brain, so it's like a baby Sabian brain. That's a plan. It hasn't shown up yet, but yeah, so we don't fuck with AI just you know, cellular reconstruction and duplication.

3:50 Nice. Well, I'm glad because AI musician or music is stupid. It's bad, Like come on, like you can't first in the States at least first they take art out of school. Now you're just taking the artist away. You know. It's so funny seeing people like post and complain about it on forums, Like I've been listening to this band for four months and i just realized that AI. I feel so duped. And it's just like I don't know if I feel bad for you or I don't know if I want to like kind of laugh at that, Like. See, I think he should have said I feel stupid. Yeah, yeah, because you know, come on, yeah, but I'm also I don't want to say that to someone and then get duped to myself.

4:34 You know that's true. It's getting crazier every day. Like I feel like I can tell just because I listen to so much of this shit. I think what's important is you don't have to say it to them. Just talk about it an interview, you right. Don't say it anywhere that gets put up on the internet or anything. Yeah, nobody's gonna hear it. This interview is not AI. I swear it is not AI. I refuse to have an AI interview. I don't think AI could even duplicate. We did the captures beforehand. We're good, We're good. So I was gonna tell you about, you know, storms that relate to you. You know we were talking before, like Florida storms or typical similar to Australia. Well, I live in South Florida near West Palm Beach and I surf and most of the time there it's flat because we're blocked by the Bahamas. So we pray for hurricanes because that's when we get surfd. So like, if there's a hurricane coming tomorrow, you will see so many surfers in war because like the waves will get like ten twelve, fifteen feet and you never see that a lesser's a hurt.

5:45 We have the same thing and so yeah, but you have. Good surf in Australia. So and then it gets not good enough for the surface, like we don't surf, but you see the absolute crazy motherfuckers go out in giant storms. The surf's even better. See now you just confirm that point break movie is true. Yeah, yeah, because I knew. I actually interviewed a band that they do surf, and we did talk about them. They're like, it's not like that at that beach. Because you know, when you're in the US and you're a surfer, like it's stupid too, because I think about it sometimes, like I probably wouldn't do it, but it's like the dream. You're like, man, I want to surf that fifty foot wave that body surfed in Point Break.

6:32 You know, it's I think any like actual crazy surf beaches in Australia would only be known to the locals there. They get weird like that, right, that's true here too. Surfers like have attitude and yeah, they're assholes most of the time. And mine like that. Dad used to surf. He's like busted himself up too much. Now. He used to like drag me to go surfing. I haven't done it in ages, and he just kept getting really really good, and he get taking me to scarier and scarier beaches and stuff like that. I was like on a phone board spending thirty minutes trying to paddle out, and we're on like a fully reef beach. Dad's just out there in the stick. So I'm just like, I'm not doing this anymore. Man, You're gonna kill me, right.

7:16 I don't like reef surfing or rock surfing. It's like all you gotta do is wipe out once and you are cooked. That's it. Yeah. My one of my best bros. He passed away a couple of years ago. He was a pro surfing champion in the sixties and a famous surfboard designer and he died because he had neck surgery and they killed him. Why did he need neck surgery because he wiped out into a reef? Yeah no, no, I can't, like if you're not out there in like padding and a helmet and everything. I don't understand why people are doing it. But the locals there were just insane. No, you couldn't care. But Dad's like the last one. Dad had like a bit of reef stuck in him. Oh yeah, that's no fun Punctionit is weady and everything. Had to go to hospital and get it pulled out and part of it like he's still in there. I'm pretty sure. Yeah.

8:07 Yeah, that's why I stay away from reefs. I was in Bali for like three months and there was one place to surf that you literally had to paddle out into the middle of the ocean. Like it wasn't a shore break, It wasn't even close to a shore break. Like the waves are breaking out in the middle of the ocean. Did you get like a jet, ski toe or anything. No, you just had to paddle out and it was reef. I'm like, fuck that, I'm not doing that. First of all, I don't want to paddle as it is. I just want to surf, Okay, I like I have osteo or threes in the neck from headbanging, surfing and technology, so that whole paddling out with keeping your head up, that shit hurts me. Like and it's like, you know, you do it because of the end result of the fun of the five seconds. You may be riding the wave after you paddled for thirty minutes in pain, but.

9:01 On walk for a short piss right. It's kind of like the same attitude of going in the marsh bit Okay, let's that's kind of way I look at. It, that that one breakdown you love so much and then it starts and you just get punched in the nose. Well, it's like last night I was at death clock and again my neck hurts today because I was headbanging. I knew it was gonna hurt today. Worth it, but gotta do it, like and I can't even control it, to be honest, Like with Jean Holgland, drumming like I can't not head bang? Okay, uh so how about you guys, Like, how is your set here at Welcome to Rockville great?

9:43 We had high expectations because we've always looked up to and heard so much about the Danny Wimer festivals. We've never played one. It's a lot harder for us as Australians to accept the offers as they roll through. We have to build tours around it and yeah it's. Not ride to get here. Yeah, well long sweam. But we've heard so much, seen so much. We obviously get the fomo every single year when we see all the stories of the bands playing on Instagram. And it was so much fun. Everything went well, crowd was amazing, the crew here are amazing. Everything's been great. That's more I want to hear about. How does Danny Wimmer treat ours? I ask every yurist that, in all my years doing it.

10:25 My only arm gripe. Is it so fucking big? Like our fest at home are tiny? There'll be max five stages and take you two minutes to walk between the stages. I saw the map coming here, It's like. Is that a whole racetrack with a stage at that end stage at that end, and I'm trying to watch all these cool bands. Oh right, but you know it's so good that they're scene here is big enough to allow. Doesn't always like that in the States. It's because of Danny. Wimmer festivals used to suck most of them, you know, like it was more like a carnival than a festival, right.

11:09 Right, right, yeah, well, yeah, this has been amazing. We're doing the Sonic Temple as well, so that's old to that. That's a cool venue too. That's like a big stadium. Oh hell yeah, that's gonna be a stadium show for you. You know. That's all The Wimmer festivals are totally cool. And to your point what you're saying before, it was funny because when you and I were walking back here, you're asking me where your dressing room is. I had no fucking clue. We poked up up behind our stage. So we're like, all right, we'll just stay here all day, not even look at the dressing room because you know, we got word in the wagon, we got chippies in the wagon. But you know this is actually quite crazy, quite cool. Yeah, yeah, Well, everybody out there is scared hiding in their tent. We're sitting in the air conditioning. Hum it outside and probably gonna be some storm that wipes out everything, and we're here. Good.

12:03 I was gonna say, we're talking about how greatly run this has all been. We're inside. Right after they call code redd. It's probably fucking mayhem out there. We don't even know it. Right right, Yeah, Like I had to text my daughter's out there and her friend and her husband and her friend's husband, and I had my son text him, Lem know it's code red because we find out before they do, you know. And I think they have to walk like four miles to get to their shelter in place. Did they do that and then just wait until another announcement. Yeah, Well it'll come up on the app or or on socials or on social So when you're when you are hiding, they say shelter in place, I'll call it hiding. Yeah. Yeah, you either look at the app or Facebook and it'll tell you when it's time to come back in. But basically it has to do with the lightning. If the lightning's within twenty miles, you're red. Okay, we might not even get anything. Yeah, it's the insurance companies. You know it's America.

13:07 You know that's what a well run festival does. Well, that's the point. Keep people safe, because I'll tell you what you got. I've been to a not run well festival. Have you ever heard a festival? Blue Ridge Rock Festival. Funny story about Blue Ridge, let's hear this. We played the final year I was there. We were the last band on our stage before the storm hit. We're packing away our guitars, like we just played our last note, said goodbye, taking our stuff off stage, and it came out of nowhere. During our set, it was beaming sun, great times, and it just came out of nowhere. So we're packing our trailer right behind stage, and they just opened the emergency gates to backstage and the crowd ran back there, invaded the green rooms. We had twenty people in our trailer with us taking shelter, and we're.

14:04 Like, obviously we have fun time as funny as fuck. Were like her, Yeah, But I'm at the same time, like, we don't know if things are stolen from the dressing rooms anything like that, like everything got torn apart. They're like, yeah, they went to catering and just started stealing all the food, and you know, any waters like this that we can see in our green room right now, they'll be gone. Really funny to look back on. But I'm sure someone was pissed off about it. Okay, So I'll tell you my story from a different perspective. Okay. And now I'm thinking. I was thinking while you were talking, I was thinking about what the story and I was like, maybe it's just me, because Okay, I was doing an interview, just started an interview, and I was wondering why they were letting me still do an interview because I live in Florida, and I can tell when the storm's coming.

14:50 Like I live down South Florida, and when my doors are open, I know when storm's coming because shit starts flying all over my apartment, off the walls because this like strong wind will come in first. And that's what was going on at Blue Ridge, and I was doing an interview. But I'm gonna die hard. I'm like, until they tell me to get out, I'm staying here. Like it even happens, okay in my place where I live, they evacuate. I live on an island, and once once you're supposed to be completely evacuated, you're on your own like there's people that stay and not go, and I think they're assholes because they put first responders at risk.

15:31 But first responders aren't coming anyway. Like they tell you, once the island's close, you're on your own. We have the same with our bushfires, right when they tell you to get the fuck out, leave everything behind. Those people that like refuse, yeah, and they're the ones that are getting rescued or die exactly, Like if they tell you to get out. So here's when I think I should get Did you ever watch the movie The Amity Amityville Horror? Okay, so you know how the house tells you to get out, Like if the house told me to get out, the house doesn't have to tell me twice. Okay, I'm getting the fuck out, okay. But in this scenario, I was just waiting for the people in charge to tell me.

16:13 I couldn't finish the interview, okay, just like we were about to start an INTERVIEWEP and it did come out of nowhere, but it didn't because it came out of nowhere. But I knew it was coming because that went. Yeah, there was talks of it. I think in the morning when we're rolling up, is it going to happen? Is it not going to happen? And then they did evacuate us. So I'm going back to I was camping there and there's media camping. So I was at media camping, which was on the way other side. And as I'm walking back, I see the band heartsick of their tent. They were trying to save older equipment, and so I went over to help, and there were four of us holding on the sides of the tent and the wind was so brutal. They lifted all four of us off the ground to where we said fuck it and let it go. But then we helped with their other tent that was still okay, holding that and I'm holding in I'm getting pelted by hail in the back okay. And then so then there was that.

17:17 Then I do get back to it, and then going back to camp, I'm watching okay. So they had the golf cart taxis within the festival. People were flipping those fucking things over with the drivers in it. There were bonfires be just like Woodstock ninety nine. Yeah, bonfires being started. You know. It was unsafe, Like I remember people waiting for the next band to play. But the led Wolways looked like they were about to fly off the trust and looked like the stage could fall over, like those videos and photos you see online of you know, stages that collapse. I felt like I was about to watch that in real time. Yeah, I felt like, you know, that's about to happen. And the crowd was just waiting, like the next band we're back to come on?

18:01 Right? Yeah? And you know what else too, is like everybody was leaving and I'm like, fuck it, I'm staying till morning. Why because the people leaving were the problem, you know, and you weren't getting out of there, and people were just like they were acting crazy, panicking because nobody's in charge and they don't know what to do, where to go. That would never happen at any Wimmor festival ever in a million years. Super precautious for the ads, right, you gotta run it right that, Like you guys are saying, you have to protect the people at the festival. You can see the bands and other time exactly.

18:42 And you know what, people get bummed, but you know what, You're not gonna see the band if you die in a hurricane. Okay, just that simple. And I watched while all was out there. I don't know if you saw it. I watched the tornadoes. There were tornadoes there. That's why it was so bad. Good damn. Yeah, it was insane. It was totally insane. But now we're safe, sheltered a gandy wemmer festival and uh, here we are doing our interview. Even though we made it happen. We almost had it blown off. So now, how do you top this? Okay, you played at Welcome to Rockville D'aytonian International Speedway. You gotta evacuate. We're doing we're having a major storm, we're doing an interview. How are you gonna top this? Now? Alligators you have them here and fat dinner. But listen, the crocs in your country are a lot more of a worry than the alligators. Oh yeah, I've walked by alligators and they don't even move. Okay, but crocodiles they scare me.

19:42 We've done the tours in Australia where they take you out and make the crocodiles jump out. Of the water. That is symboll shit. Yeah, fuck that is I was. I go to Costa Rica a lot, and there's this one park called Corcovado Park, which is like one of the most remote lacens on the planet next to the Amazon, has like thirty eight thousand species of bugs. Okay, but it's a wet dock. So you get on this boat over this really rough water that for forty five minutes and you're like bouncing. You know, if you have a bad back, you can't do it, Okay, And then you get there, it's a wet doc Well, guess what's in the water that you have to walk by to get onto the island, onto the onto the park. Crocs And then we're you can only go to this park with a tour guide because it's untouched. They don't want you screwing it up. And so we go on. And then we were told too by the tour guide that we were being stalked by a puma.

20:43 Oh my god. But it's okay, I know what I'm doing. I was okay with it, like, yeah, yeah, exactly, but uh, it was a pretty cool experience. But I don't want to walk by crocodiles in the water anymore either. They're pretty fucked up. Like we done a gator swamp to it here once and I thought they were tiny and not scary looking at all, because I'd already done a croc to her, Like, no, if it's the gators out there, but uh. There is one. There is a certain time to be scared of the gators. Do you want to know when it is? Yeah, it's when you're canoeing through the Everglades. It's a five mile canoe and you're in the middle and there's these cute little baby gaiters and you're looking at them and taking pictures and then you hear this here. Yeah, it's the fifteen foot mama that just dropped her tail in the water and went under. Yeah, I'm like, we're out of here.

21:40 They are super scary because they just disappear. Right exactly. I want to That's what that That's why I actually do buy a surf Australia. But I'm kind of worried about how many sharks you have there and recently lot of attacks. Yeah. I don't know if you know this, but near here, not far from here, is where the most shark attacks are anywhere in the world. New Smirnam Beach near here, you're right, Yeah, but you know I do want to. I won't go there either. I do want a cage dove with great whites one day. I think if you were brave, you would cage dive with bull sharks, not great white. Now you can do any off Adelaide in Australia. You getta go out to see for like three hours and if they don't show up, you know, you lose your money whatever, or they give you a voucher to try again another day. But I think that'll be awesome. Like how the how the fuck are you gonna ever see a great white? You know they're not an aquariu.

22:37 I don't know that I want to see them, Like ignorance is bliss. Where I live, they have shark migration and I am, you know, up up high and like when you're down on the water level, you don't see what's in the war thousands of sharks in the water. Like I'm like, I don't want to know that. Uh So, But one what I do a lot to times, like after I'm done touring all the festivals, and you know how it is when when you go on tour, you get off, you just want to escape the world and like seclude and it's like coming down, you know, And so I'll normally take my paddle board and paddle way out on the horizon in the ocean in my backyard.

23:20 And the last time I did that, I was out there. I was just sitting on my board and I happened to look down. Five bull sharks swam right under my board. Cool, and I was like, yeah, it might be time to go back to shore. Yeah. I don't want to see them there, but they're there. Don't you want to see how big a great one looks like? Just to be like, holy moly, I did see it at I did see it. So one day on my balcony and I looked down and right in a shallow area where I would enter the word, there was something huge. I couldn't tell what it was, but it was huge. Twenty minutes later it was on the news because a boat filmed it. It was a fifteen foot great waite.

24:02 Hell yeah right, hell yeah? All right. How about you guys are tough Australians like, how about you wrestle? Great? Wait, don't just go see him wrestle? Yeah, my son wrestled alligator. My son used to wrestle allegigators. Oh hell yeah no, I just held one. Where was that gateorland that was in Florida. Yeah yeah, I did that. Yeah, yeah, but no, maybe we've gotta grow some arms and fins so we can go out and. I have an idea for you. Okay, next time you want to do that, you know, if you want to do that Shark dive to check out the sharks. I think you should say it up where you guys like play a set sharks shark marsh.

24:47 I'm pretty sure we're playing a show on a boat at the end of the year, aren't we. Nice? Yeah, exactly which one is it? What's called. Boat show? He nice? Yeah? Nice? Where does it go? Not true, it'll be shocked. So, like, we have a lot of those metal cruises here and they are cool as shit. Actually we've never done one before, you know. What's cool about it? So the people going on those cruises spend a lot of money. It's not like a festival. While they spend a lot of money at festival, but it's a whole other level. And basically, you know, they don't fuck with the bands. You know, it's like the band members, the big ones will go out and eat dinner in a buffet and not even in cater and just hang out with everybody because nobody bothers them.

25:40 Yeah, I think I've seen that just from you know, the bands that are do follow They just hang out. No one's above anyone. You just always hanging out, cruise vibe. You don't have to be like backstage and away from yeah, yeah, you know, and everybody gets a meet and greet, so there's no reason for them in the world. So cool, and you can just do surprise sets if your friends they get him up on stage to sing a song like, it's not that serious. No band's trying to outdo everyone. Every band's doing multiple sets and they're playing first thing in the morning or last thing at night. It doesn't matter. No one's trying to compete, and no one's got the fire and then another band doesn't because you're all just sharing the exact same stage, the exact same lights and exactly. It seems really cool and I'm very excited to do it so now.

26:22 And I love him to death, so I'm just playing around. But you know who brought shame to Australia? Who? Okay, so I'm ship rocked. Last year there was a big rivalry between Hollywood Undead and Parkway Drive and they have this thing like family feud. So they were played against each other and it's a whole funny scenario, but Parkway Drive loss, and then it's a whole thing on the boat the whole time. And then when I was interviewing Winston, he was pissed because he's like my band members. They sucked at that game because he was pretty good and he wanted to win. Yeah, but yeah, and that band's competitive as they're always doing the sports and doing everything like pick it up Parkway.

27:07 He's the nicest guy. Yeah, yeah, So he was geeking out. I'll show you and we'll see what you think about it. He was geeking out in our interview about this little treasure I have from the eighties that I used to wear in the eighties. If I can get it out. Digging into the bag, where do we go? What do we go? Bag? Like a dip? There it is? Oh, look at that, take a look on it. I want you guys, it's part of the interview to describe from your point of view what you see here. That's a Metallica lego I've never seen in my life. Said the exact same thing as. With like, what the hell this one has gone to shreds who's on it. It's yeah, see I know I've seen what members, what era we got Cliff Burton, there's the end of it.

27:57 Yeah, when did you draw on? What year? Started? Started in nineteen eighty one? God damn the times when you didn't have to be a poser and go buy one from Walmart. And this is what patches look like when they've aged. Totally and their paper cat patches. You see that their paper. No fresh patches on this at all. So there's a story behind that, Like what the hell that he was the same way? If I show you the video after the same thing. Okay, so that he comment on Slayer, they didn't even have a patch yet. So I just got I got this felt lining and lighter and put it on there. And then I was in La and people thought I was a gang banger and that was my ganga Slayer.

28:44 I got a mate that has a gigantic Slayer tatoo off his forearm, which is hard and Metallica across the shoulders. He would go ape shit for this. I was at both of their first shows ever, no way, So who would you wanted to with on this best? I'm yeah, I fucking love Metallica. So one hundred percent. But we have this weird thing where we don't know how beneficial beneficial. It is to support legacy acts because their fans are so die hard that they don't give a fuck. About the opener. You cannot win them over because they just love that legacy band so much like we love supporting bands to win fans over, but trying to win over a die hard Metallica fan.

29:35 But you could be the next Metallica because what happened to them back they were openers and if you watch some of the documentaries, the bands that played after them hated it because Metallic and one over the crowd over the. Is that the two hour where Metallica ended up headlining or something they swapped halfway through? Yeah, yep, yep. So like that's who you could be shoot for that, you know, come on, Metallica has only got a few years. Wow, I need to see Metallica again very soon. I missed the last Australian tour. So what else do you want to tell the listeners that we haven't covered? Lay about your music, about what you got coming up and all that good stuff.

30:21 We've been working. I don't know how much we're allowed to dabble into. The manager's not in the room, so maybe we could just spill some beans. So we've. Our last album came out two years ago, so we do some new music, but we've been cooking. We're trying to trying to do some new things though, Like everything's all computery these days. So when I go out for walks, I'm taking like a microphone with me to just record sounds out here, and I need to incorporate that into the music like that. Then it's so personal, it's like it's my world to turn it into the music. And like just. Coming on like a hollow log the other day, like a stick yeah, nice.

31:05 Like just everyone's got their head stuck in their computercy stays trying to find the sound. And then I've seen bands use sounds and then someone else has already used that sound, like if they're not living my world and recording the things that I hear, so yeah, and then trying to compile that into music. It's shaping up to be absolutely crazy. So many songs now I think could be a double album concept album, Like we're cooking, absolutely cooking. I love it, I love it, but that's yeah, that's our world. There might be some really really big things coming, like. Like a bass Pro Shops tour.

31:46 Bass Pro Shop. Maybe maybe they could be clues there. I don't know. Yeah, I don't think I need to touch on anything else. I know what you should do. You should tell everybody your socials and everything so they can follow you and get the number vacation when the announcements come. Well, funny you say that, because I think a name change is on the horizon. Lake, can you tell me about that? Well, the whole alpha thing. Are you turning into? Like Beta wolf? That's the thing, Like, we get hated on so much because of the alpha thing. We we named the band that fucking fifteen years ago because we saw a Liam Neeson movie with a fucking cool wolf in it. We thought that was cool. We didn't know it was going to be a gigantic marketing eployee. Fifteen years later, we need to sell thousands of T shirts and not everyone wants to wear the word alpha on their chest. So we're contemplating a name change, so the socials might change.

32:37 Yeah. I don't want to spit all the ideas yet, but. We have a name in mind too. But yeah, everything's slowly burning on the back end, it's. T shirts to see how it fits and everything like that. Like the branding needs to be on point. But it's so had to rebrand a band name, you know, like we have our fan base already and everyone knows who we don't want to lose that at Oh, so we need to find the smartest way to. Go about it. You could call it beta bass Beta bass. Yeah, pass well, and then you could have a logo that's like a bass and a wolf together. Yeah, that's when you could use a Kate nice. See, there you go. So anything else you want to share or we cover everything. I think it's a storm passed us yet. Oh really, then we're we're probably code red still, do you see rain? Well, we're probably in the safest place in the whole festival.

33:50 So what a way to do an interview. And I'm glad you've got to play and didn't get screwed out, that you didn't get screwed out of the interview. And so it's a good day and nasty Georgia, and have fun and thanks for being on the Adventures of Papers. Thanks for beating up the security guard so you could sneak back here. And it's been great there. It is. Thank you, thank you Thank you for listening to the adventures of Plateman on w for CUI Radio.