Aug. 19, 2026

Behind the Music with Tina Firefly: Beautiful Skeletons, Tour Stories, and Authenticity in Rock

Behind the Music with Tina Firefly: Beautiful Skeletons, Tour Stories, and Authenticity in Rock
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In this energetic and honest episode, Pipeman welcomes Tina Firefly of Beautiful Skeletons to discuss the band’s journey, new album "Pulse/Line/Scar," and the ever-evolving culture of live music. The conversation dives into the realities of touring, embracing musical diversity, the authenticity of live performance, and how technology has changed the ways artists and audiences connect. Candid stories, insightful takes on genre and fandoms, and a bit of backstage gossip make this an essential listen for fans of independent music and live music culture.Main Topics Covered

  • Road trip stories and the charm of traveling for music
  • The pretentiousness and evolution of music scenes
  • Genre gatekeeping and the rise of crossover audiences
  • The importance of live music vs. streaming and digital engagement
  • Backing tracks vs. live musicianship
  • Stories of stage mishaps and on-the-fly improvisation
  • Artists' egos, industry personalities, and fan interactions
  • Supporting indie bands: buying merch, streaming, and show attendance
Key Discussions & StoriesRoad Trips and Touring
  • Pipeman and Tina Firefly discuss the merits of road trips over flying, sharing personal touring stories and how some adventures are best experienced by car instead of plane (01:11).
  • Touring in bands and handling the movement and motion differently than regular road trips (02:16).
Navigating Genre and Scene
  • Both speakers reflect on experiencing and witnessing gatekeeping in different rock and metal subcultures, including the pressure to conform and the surprising openness post-COVID (07:49).
  • Tina Firefly shares about inclusion in setlists, playing ballads at heavy shows, and audiences’ responses to genre crossover (06:08).
  • The joy of witnessing metalheads singing along to pop songs at festivals, breaking down stereotypes (07:07).
The Power and Imperfection of Live Music
  • Streamed/live-stream pandemic performances versus the raw energy of crowds (15:05).
  • The dilemma of backing tracks: authenticity, technical failure horror stories, and the adaptability required of live performers (17:00).
  • Memorable stage disasters, including jumping off risers, falling through stage cracks, and how such incidents can actually endear musicians to their audience (42:16, 44:19).
Artists, Egos, and Industry Encounters
  • Pipe Man candidly recounts backstage and interview experiences—sharing that many famed artists are friendlier than their reputations suggest, while some mid-tier acts carry far more ego (24:02).
  • Specific stories include audience scolding by Stevie Nicks for smoking, and how icons and new artists are often the most down-to-earth (26:45, 31:02).
Supporting Indie Bands
  • The importance of buying merch to support independent musicians and the paltry income from streaming platforms (34:16, 35:00).
  • How and where to find Beautiful Skeletons online and at shows—with a special offer for listeners who mention this interview at the merch booth (34:41).
Notable Quotes
  • “We’re all just sampling our own personal tastes and mishmashing it with our bandmates... Nothing we do is new. So what’s the difference between using crossover in the songs?” — Tina Firefly (10:56)
  • “If it speaks to you, listen to it. Don’t care about what your stupid roommate next to you is telling you is, that’s not real metal.” — Tina Firefly (11:22)
  • “Music is felt, it’s not just heard.” — Pipeman (35:58)
  • “The world can stop, but the creation of things never does, especially music.” — Tina Firefly (36:27)
  • “That’s key. And I think it is extremely important. I think the chemistry is way more important than the genre.” — Pipeman (39:55)
Resources & Links Mentioned
  • Band Links:
    • Linktree: Find all streaming, merch, and social links for Beautiful Skeletons (search ‘Beautiful Skeletons’ on Linktree)
    • YouTube: Search ‘Beautiful Skeletons’
    • Spotify: "Pulse Line Scar" available from the 21st
  • Merch & Show Details:
    • Official merch available online and at shows
    • Special offer: Mention this podcast at a show’s merch table for a free shirt (35:29)
  • Music Platforms Mentioned:
    • Spotify, Apple Music, Google Music, Amazon Music
Connect with Beautiful Skeletons
  • Check out all links and upcoming show info on their Linktree (search/visit their page for current listings)
  • Attend a live show, meet Tina Firefly at the merch booth, and support new music directly
Highlights for Listeners
  • For fans of live music: Insightful discussion on why in-person shows will always outshine online streams.
  • For musicians: Honest takes on stage mistakes, band dynamics, and why musical chemistry beats technical perfection.
  • For genre-jumpers: Encouragement to support musical blend, resist gatekeeping, and enjoy music without boundaries.
Don’t miss "Pulse/Line/Scar" and the Beautiful Skeletons’ commitment to authentic, no-filter rock and roll.

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Hi, you live then too, censure w see Wow where

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you you?

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This is the pipe Man here and the Adventures pipe

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Man W four c Y Radio. I'm very excited about

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our next guest because man, they got some killer music.

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So let's welcome to show. Tina Firefly from Beautiful Skeletons.

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How are you hi?

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I'm very good.

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I am happy to be on your show this afternoon.

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I'm assuming you're on the East Coast as well.

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I am.

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I am.

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Where are you located?

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I'm in Raleigh, North Carolina.

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That's funny because, uh my kids. I have a couple

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of kids that live in North Carolina, so I do

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go through Raleigh.

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I'm in South Florida.

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Okay, not too far away.

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No, not bad.

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You know, I've made a lot of times I'll make

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that drive up to Raleigh. You know, sometimes it's easier

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and less time to just drive it.

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Yeah, fly anymore.

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Flying is such a dehumanizing experience. It makes you brow

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like there's nothing good about flying anymore. So now I

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suggested people take a fucking road trip because you really

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can't afford that ticket, only to be treated like absolute cattle.

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No doubt.

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And I love road trips like some people can't deal

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with it. I've road tripped this country. I can't even

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count how many times anymore. I've road tripped Europe three times.

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I road tripped Costa Rica, you know. And like, the

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cool thing about road trips now that you bring it up,

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is that you get to see things that you normally

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wouldn't see because they're not tourist places. They're not things

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you would see on a plane or even a train

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or what have you. And it's like I'll just drive in,

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I'll look, I want WHOA, that's cool, and I'll just

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pull off and go check it out.

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Yeah, I mean, that's definitely a thing for road trips.

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I'm still getting used to road trips pretty much.

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The only one I can stand without becoming violently ill

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is touring.

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But I think it's different. On a bus, it's a

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different movement. It's different. I can lay down if I

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need to, you.

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Know, and that's different than being in like control, like

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driving your own vehicle.

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Yeah.

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Yeah, touring, you know, I would like I go on

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tour and two covering chat music festivals all over the US,

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UK and Europe. Then I most of the time would

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rather fly unless it's close. Yeah, But if I'm just

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chilling and doing my thing, then there's nothing beats a

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road trip on your own terms, in your own vehicle,

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blasting music on the road away from all the insanity

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of the world.

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For sure, it definitely has its charms. It has its charms.

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And I guts say too that I didn't get the

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note about the dress rehearsal, or else I would have

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been more prepared. We were talking about this before we

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came on, and I have a skeleton hoodie and I

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didn't even think about it. Usually I wouldn't think about that.

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Usually I wouldn't think about that. But I'm like, great,

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now you didn't give me the memo and I'm not prepared.

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That's okay.

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I screwed up my last scheduled time with you, so

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I'm just glad that you were managed to segue me

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in here this afternoon. But yeah, no skeleton costume required,

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and no doubt really wear something Brandy whenever I talk

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to anybody about the music, you know, like to connect

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the two skeletons people skeletons.

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I love it.

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I love the whole concept of it. That's why I

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wanted to be on the same page. But I'm actually

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going to cover a Jack Johnson's show in a little while,

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and so like, I don't think wearing my you know,

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Slayer or something else shirt or my skeleton shirt really

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hoodie would really be appropriate at that show somewhere in

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my grateful bed shirt. To prove that metal heads don't

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just love metal, Okay, amen, I am a total metal head,

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but there's different vibes and different music, And like, I

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think a lot of people think that metal heads only

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listened to metal, Like we listen to a lot more

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music than most because metal came from other types of music.

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I one hundred percent agree with that. I've noticed over

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the last decade.

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Or soever long it's been that I've been doing this

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in and out of other projects and stuff, that there

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are certain metal scenes that are really really pretentious.

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I kind of liking it to like how Seattle was

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in the.

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Fallout Boy era, you know, and everybody was emo core

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and like if you weren't seen.

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Then you you didn't belong. I mean, they would like

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point you out and go like what are you doing here?

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As if it's this like super elite, you know, forever

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category of people. But it really cracks me up to

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because I used to care about that.

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I used to care.

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So we would get booked for tours and we'd end

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up doing, you know, like a supporting band slot for

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let's say, like a metal core band or a death

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metal band or post punk band, something completely.

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Opposite of what we're doing in most ways.

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And so we'll be in some basement somewhere performing at

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some venue and everyone's just moshing out and everyone's just

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going crazy, right, They're just there's a pit and everything,

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and as they're doing that, the first thing in my

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head is like, oh, fuck, I don't think we should

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do that ballad tonight.

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I feel like this is not inevitably.

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I'll come over to my guitarist and be like, nar,

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do you think we should take that out of our

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set list? I feel like these guys maybe wouldn't appreciate

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back there. And he's like, nah, he's the opposite of me.

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He's like, fuck it, let's play it. And I'm like nice,

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you know, always feels weird. But then I mean, i'd

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say eight times out of ten when we do it,

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there's a great reaction, which.

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Is just really blows my mind. I mean, obviously there's

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gonna be hecklers and people that are like what are

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what is?

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There's always there's always the assholes.

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There's always the assholes. But I would say for most parts,

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surprising people take the crossover pretty well. Now. I mean,

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I don't know if that every time is like that.

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I still have that fear every time too, because I'm

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always like, oh no, when we look at our tour mates,

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I'm like.

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The we're on the lineup, are we?

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Yeah?

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It definitely depends, you know. What makes me feel good

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nowadays because I do come from the days of serious gatekeeping, okay, Like,

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and what makes me feel good is when I'm saying

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at a music festival with one hundred thousand metal heads

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and they're singing Backstreet Boys because that's what's playing over

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to speakers, and.

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They're all into it.

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And I'm like, not that I'm a fan of Backstreet Boys,

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it's more of a fig of like, see, they're just

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metal heads and they just love music and it doesn't matter.

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Yeah, no, I mean, and I'm all into that. You know.

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I think maybe five or six years ago, the scene,

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at least along.

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The West Coast was pretty pretentious like that.

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If you walked in on a metal band lineup and

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you weren't, you know, specifically, whatever that genre of metal was.

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People just leave, you know, They're like, I don't know

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why they're here. It was really hardcore. Nowadays, I would

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say post COVID people are a little less picky about

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their metal. At least. My observation is there are lots

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that's cool.

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Yeah, because I was part of that whole Sunset Strip

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eighties metal scene, and I talk about this a lot

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because it was so stupid. Back then, metal was such

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a small community. Punk was such a small community. The

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jocks were all beating the shit out of us and

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bullying us. But we would get into fights with each other.

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And I was a long hair. I couldn't go to

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punk shows. Punks couldn't go to metal shows. And then

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I was like, you know, the first gig I ever

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went to in a club was Motley Crue before they

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had an album, but they were horror punk. They weren't

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clam yet, okay. And I was just talking about this

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in an interview earlier. And then I, you know, I

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was at Slayer in Metallica's first show ever. So then

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I found my true calling. But my friends would be like, yeah,

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you need to burn all that Motley Cruse shit. Now

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I'm like, I'm not burning my shit.

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Yes you are.

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We are burning that shit. You can't be a Slayer

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fan and have Motley Cruise shit. And it used to

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be like that even at the shows. Like if somebody

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showed up a Motley Crue T shirt to a Slayer show,

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they would get that shirt ripped off their back. Literally

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they would throw it up to top and Tom would

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burnet live on stage.

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You know.

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And I could say so many stories about like the

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punk stuff.

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Even now it's not as bad as it used to.

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Punks and metal heads are one community together, but there's still,

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like to your point, So, I was dating this singer

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of a hardcore punk band and she just couldn't get

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over the metal part, like she was that punk from

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way back where it was like, you know, the same

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thought process like.

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A metal blah blah blah blah blah.

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And I ended up breaking off where because like, listen,

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I don't need abuse about a very similar music. Okay,

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that's just dumb, you know, And yeah, I think there's

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no place for it in twenty twenty six. Enough of

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the world is dividing us. We need to all stick

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together against those those people.

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Well, I think like the milk and honey times of

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music is what I call pre COVID, when you know,

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you could just have an outdoor festival fucking anywhere, you know,

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at any time, so many people came, brought their friends

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and family. That phase, you know, between COVID and the

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escalation of world events, I feel like that is forever

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scarred the face of how people attend live music and

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their opinions on the bands that they like and what

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they're willing to listen to crossover wise than before, which

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you know, I mean, obviously they don't like COVID, I

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don't like the escalation of world tension.

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But I love that.

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There's been this new evolution of thinking amongst local music

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supporters where they're a little more educated about what indie

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bands have to go through to even get to their ears,

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and they're more and they're more open and willing to

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listen to crossover genres because nothing we do is new,

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nothing we do, nothing nobody does is new. We're all

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just like sampling our own personal you know, tastes and

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whatever and miss missmashing it with our bandmates. So I mean,

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in the end, it's not that we're doing anything new.

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So what's the difference between using crossover in the songs

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that you know, maybe it's metal jazz or maybe you know,

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I don't know metal like jug playing it doesn't It

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doesn't matter if it speaks to you, listen to it,

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don't care about what your stupid roommate next to you

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is telling you is that's not real metal, Like I

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feel like that mentality is so outdated now. I just

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don't see a lot of people doing it anymore. And

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it makes my heart happy though me.

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Too, because I see a lot of blending of genres

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within bands, and I think it's necessary because then you

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have your own unique sound opposed to a lot of

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these other bands that are following this formula, it's because

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they're in some subgenre. No, that's when it's all sounds

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the same. Like you know, and you talked about metal jazz.

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I mean I think Megadeth immediately because mustain it plays

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jazz guitar in his metal, you know, and metal is

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a derivative of classical music, so you know. And then

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a very proud moment recently was a welcome to Rockville

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and we were getting evacuate code red because of weather

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and Waka flocka Flame was playing and instead of evacuating,

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he jumps off the stage and started.

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A mosh pit during his set.

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You know, like, so if Waka flocka Flame is do

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it starting a mosh pit, man, we can all get

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together and we could all get along, you know, and

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everybody was having a blast. You can find it on

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YouTube too, Like everybody was having so much fun.

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And that's the key.

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It's supposed to be fun, you know, and like and

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to me, live music, I don't even have to like

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the music. If it's live music, I like it, you know, Like, yes,

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you know there's some artists that I'll see live and

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I love it, but I'm not going to listen to

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their music in the car because it's not really my jam.

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But the environment, you know, you.

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Can appreciate their craft right exactly. You can appreciate that

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they go out there, they put on a performance. It's

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not your kind of music, but they still did it.

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They did it for the fans. You know, they're not

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making shit, you.

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Know, it's fun.

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I was covering festival ones and I always had this

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thing of like, I don't get the whole idea of

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a DJ doing a concert like, yes, yes, And I

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was like, okay, if I go to nightclub, I get it.

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But then I did do a festival where Scritics and

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bass Nectar were performing, and I kind of got it.

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It was weird, but I kind of got it while

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I was there because I was like, holy shit, these

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people are just having a blast and like it's its

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big performance.

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Now. Do I call that music per se?

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But it was entertaining, So that that's the difference. Like,

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and if you're having fun, that's all that matters.

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You know.

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If you're a DJ, you may be a great DJ.

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Are you a music artist? No, because you're not creating music, okay,

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but you're doing something entertaining, you know. And I think

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we have to look at different perspectives sometimes on a

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lot of different things.

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Mean, listen, with all the shit going on in the

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world and what happened with COVID, I don't care if

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some kid gets up on stage and plays a recorder.

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I won't be at that live show because that few

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years was hell. And like, to me, there's no better

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feeling than being a live music event, and.

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There's no better feeling than playing live. I mean, we

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all played in our kitchens and bathrooms and garages and

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webcam what we can.

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But I mean that's just not it's not the same.

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You know, my guitarists and I were both the we

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call ourselves addicts. You know. We're like, playing is our addiction.

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It's it's what we do everything for us to play live.

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Everything else is just a byproduct of playing live or

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a way to get you to come see us to

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play live. So whenever we talk about it, we always

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start doing this. We're like, yeah, it's been too long,

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I'll do this.

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And during COVID it was like, I don't I didn't

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get the streams.

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It didn't do anything for me.

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Like, and I'm thinking myself, Man, that's gotta be really

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tough on the artist, because the artist feeds off the crowd.

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I don't care if it's one person, you know, but

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like trying to play like you're playing a concert with

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nobody there, that's a little weird.

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And I will say too that.

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You know what, playing your instruments and being a musician

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is what matters to me, Like, I don't care if

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you make mistakes. I'd rather have merce and mistakes than perfection.

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And I'd rather you be able to still do a

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show even if your backing tracks aren't working, your laptop's

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not working.

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Like come on a perfect example.

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One of the best shows I was ever at was

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at a Danny Wimmer festival and it was bad flower

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and Josh had laryngitis so he couldn't sing.

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They didn't cancel the gig. They came out, he played

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his guitar, he didn't sing. He had the crowd sing

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the songs and they did and it was so much fun.

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Like that's an exception, Like that's an exception. But I

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would say like for most emerging artists, it's that doesn't

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quite work out in their favors. Sometimes.

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I used to bitch about this all the time because

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you know, you've listened to the album we have. I

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do harmonies, I do backup whatever the guys have. We

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only have one guitarist, but he does two of pree

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guitar parts who were track an album. And we have

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for the last eight years been on this like never

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ending debate of do.

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We want to use backing tracks for a few things

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in the background, do we want to venture into that territory?

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And there's always just so much We're always so passionately torn.

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Like half the members are like, yes, we need to

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do the other help are like, fuck no, we don't

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want that hassle.

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So as a result, we just haven't done it. We're

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plugging play.

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And when we go on tour with other bands, especially

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with bigger bands, I mean, it's always there's you know,

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there's the.

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Laptop being the sixth member or whatever. And I personally

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really wanted that. I wanted to have like the synth

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and everything in the background. And the second tory ever

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went on, I saw the laptop actually take a shit

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on stage and saw the aftermath of what happened to

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the band, who, to their credit, try, they tried.

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They tried to do it, but everybody was so thrown

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off by the fact that this was going but the tracks.

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Weren't, and so it was just this not great performance.

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And that day I went to my drummer, because he's

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very like no packing tracks. I went to him and

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I'm like, okay, I see what you mean, Like that horrible,

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And I would be the one that would have to

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talk about it right to try it and get everybody

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to be like ooh, so's.

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You gotta be able to go with the flow. And

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go with the punches, and you know.

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I talk about this because it's so in my mind.

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Nineteen eighty three d Us Festival, Van Halen was headlining

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and they start playing the song and talking about love

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and David lee Roth is not singing and they look

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over at him and then three hundred thousand people there

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and he yells over the microphone, I fucking forgot the words,

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and the whole place just roared like it was the

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best thing that ever happened. And that's what makes him

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a great front man, because it was like, you know what,

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he fucked up, admit it, said it to the audience

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and made it like it was fun.

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You know, when you get I hope when if we

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do it, you know, or for anyone who gets to

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that level from independent more national, and people at your

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show are singing every single word to your song. Like

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at that point I'd be okay with it, But for

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us nobody bands. You stop singing your song and people

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just look at you like your fucking nuts. So that

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doesn't quite work in our situation. You know, if that

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sixth member goes out or fifth member goes out, it's like, yeah,

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I hope, I hope you guys can still pick up

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where you are in this song even though gone gone, Well.

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You gotta improvise a little or like I've sat side

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stage some some a couple of times and seen a

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singer behind the curtain and I'm like, I'd rather have

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heard a shitty voice than that. That's my opinion. I'd

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rather have the person singing fuck it up.

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I gotta say.

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The weirdest thing for me though, because I really didn't

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grow up going to contests or anything, but the weirdest

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thing for me is like when we would watch a

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band with, you know, one guitarist, have five guitarist tracks live,

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and at that point they're not even trying to pretend like.

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They're they're playing other parts. They just stop playing. Uh.

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And then it's like the bassis is playing, but the

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guitarist is all getting a drink of water side stage,

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but there's all this guitar going and I'm just like, what.

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The hell, I'm crazy.

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Yeah, I'm not down with that.

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Like I want musicians to be musicians, and you know what,

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we're all human, we all screw up. You're not expected,

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but that's like okay. As an example, that's what made

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the Grateful dead great is that there was no set

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ever that was exactly the same, because it just jammed

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and they didn't go by the studio version. If I

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want just a studio version, I'll listen to the album.

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I want a live performance, live music, and I want

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to see that you're human, okay, because listen, we all

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make mistakes in everything we do. You know, we're all

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our own worst critics.

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Too, musicians especially.

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Yeah, it's a group.

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Exactly, but you know what, most of the people in

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the crowd don't even know when.

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You screw up.

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So true, so true. I can't I can't tell you how.

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I mean pretty much every almost every show I jump

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off the stage.

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I'm like, that was fucking horrible. I couldn't hear you

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in the chorus.

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On the last one, I was trying to signal Jason

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and he didn't fucking see me.

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I tripped over my ex alarm cable.

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I hit my fucking I mean, like, I will literally

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tally every single thing in.

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My head that did not go according to plan. And

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the moment that I am getting my shit to get

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the fuck off stage, that's what's running through my head

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is like, God, damn it, you know, And I'm thinking, like,

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I need to watch.

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The playback and see if it was as bad as

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I think it was. And nine times out of ten

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it's totally fine, like we'll notice it because we wrote it.

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But everybody else is just like, oh, it's great, you

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know exactly.

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We're hard on ourselves.

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Yeah, and even me in what I do, Like, I

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can't tell you how many times I come off an

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interview I'm like, fuck, why did I say that?

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Why did I do this?

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This?

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Oh? I sucked?

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And then and then the artist is saying, man, that

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was so much fun. That was a great interview out

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Okay if you say so.

444
00:22:37.119 --> 00:22:39.680
There's only two types, though, I gotta say there's only

445
00:22:39.680 --> 00:22:40.440
two types, right.

446
00:22:40.519 --> 00:22:42.880
So there's there's your type, yours and my types. Right.

447
00:22:43.079 --> 00:22:47.920
We're always self deprecating, criticizing, pushing for perfection, accepting nothing less,

448
00:22:48.079 --> 00:22:51.000
being true to ourselves. And then there is the other

449
00:22:51.200 --> 00:22:54.720
type where they're actually not as good as they think,

450
00:22:55.359 --> 00:22:57.400
but you can't tell them that, and.

451
00:22:57.319 --> 00:23:00.920
They will surround themselves with everybody who is their yes man,

452
00:23:01.400 --> 00:23:05.440
so that inflates their ego even more. And the bigger.

453
00:23:05.079 --> 00:23:07.920
Their ego gets, the even shittier their performance and their

454
00:23:08.000 --> 00:23:10.880
music gets So I feel like it's a dichotomy. It's

455
00:23:10.920 --> 00:23:12.200
a weird dichotomy.

456
00:23:12.240 --> 00:23:16.000
I think you will favor those people.

457
00:23:17.279 --> 00:23:19.680
Most of those people are the ones that had one

458
00:23:19.799 --> 00:23:23.960
hit like twenty years ago, ten years ago, nothing else,

459
00:23:24.359 --> 00:23:26.200
and they think they're God's.

460
00:23:25.759 --> 00:23:26.720
Gift to music.

461
00:23:27.680 --> 00:23:30.200
Okay, I know this is an interview, you're interviewing me,

462
00:23:30.319 --> 00:23:31.880
but I'm going to ask you a question.

463
00:23:31.640 --> 00:23:32.799
Because I love it.

464
00:23:33.200 --> 00:23:33.839
I love it.

465
00:23:34.880 --> 00:23:39.319
You've been everywhere. You're talking about bucking and festivals and everything. Right,

466
00:23:39.400 --> 00:23:42.799
so tell me, and I guess, don't like, get yourself

467
00:23:42.839 --> 00:23:45.039
fired and give me a name if you think it's

468
00:23:45.079 --> 00:23:48.519
going to get around. But tell me what artist if

469
00:23:48.519 --> 00:23:50.839
you can, or tell me a story about an artist

470
00:23:51.079 --> 00:23:53.599
that was you know, famous or semi famous up there

471
00:23:54.200 --> 00:23:58.559
who was a total fucking dick wad and just shattered

472
00:23:58.640 --> 00:24:02.359
your illusion of you know, looking up to this arts.

473
00:24:02.960 --> 00:24:06.920
So I will tell you that I've been pleasantly surprised

474
00:24:06.960 --> 00:24:10.200
through all the years of how many artists are coolest

475
00:24:10.240 --> 00:24:15.880
shit that other people say are dick wads. Perfect example

476
00:24:15.920 --> 00:24:18.839
I'm going to give you right now is a lot

477
00:24:18.880 --> 00:24:19.480
of other.

478
00:24:19.359 --> 00:24:21.559
Press people have said stuff that's.

479
00:24:21.400 --> 00:24:24.480
Well, listen to other press people or anybody for that

480
00:24:24.559 --> 00:24:28.680
manner for my own opinion that Amy Lee is a bitch.

481
00:24:29.559 --> 00:24:33.079
Let me tell you something. My experience with Amy Lee

482
00:24:33.240 --> 00:24:38.960
is the exact opposite, at nicest person ever, sweet as pie.

483
00:24:39.640 --> 00:24:42.720
I have nothing bad to say about her, and my

484
00:24:42.920 --> 00:24:45.559
viewpoint is is those other people didn't get what they

485
00:24:45.720 --> 00:24:49.079
wanted out of her, and then she's a bitch, okay,

486
00:24:49.400 --> 00:24:50.519
and it's bullshit.

487
00:24:50.960 --> 00:24:51.359
Okay.

488
00:24:52.160 --> 00:24:56.160
Now, on the other hand, in answer to your question,

489
00:24:57.279 --> 00:25:03.920
there is one person I won't his name. He's pretty big, Okay,

490
00:25:07.319 --> 00:25:14.000
He's not really liked by anybody, okay, because like he's

491
00:25:14.160 --> 00:25:18.559
the type that if somebody's smoking backstage a huge festival,

492
00:25:18.599 --> 00:25:20.960
we're not talking a small area. He gets the whole

493
00:25:20.960 --> 00:25:24.039
plate in backstage shut down where nobody's allowed to smoke.

494
00:25:25.079 --> 00:25:28.680
Like you don't like it, so go away from it,

495
00:25:28.799 --> 00:25:33.160
you know, like you don't go into your dressing room.

496
00:25:33.240 --> 00:25:37.480
You don't have to deal with it. I'll tell you

497
00:25:37.559 --> 00:25:41.400
somebody else that I will mention names because I don't

498
00:25:41.400 --> 00:25:48.359
care that I totally thought was a bitch on stage.

499
00:25:48.640 --> 00:25:52.359
Didn't meet her face to face, but on stage she

500
00:25:52.519 --> 00:25:55.759
was a bitch. And it reminds me because it's smoking,

501
00:25:56.640 --> 00:25:59.680
we're at a music festival, an open air music festival.

502
00:26:00.119 --> 00:26:03.279
She stopped to set.

503
00:26:02.400 --> 00:26:06.640
Four times to tell people not to smoke, and if

504
00:26:06.720 --> 00:26:11.440
they did smoke or vape, she was walking off stage like,

505
00:26:11.519 --> 00:26:14.680
you can't tell a crowd of one hundred thousand people

506
00:26:14.720 --> 00:26:18.720
at a festival outside that they can't smoke. Okay, it's

507
00:26:19.039 --> 00:26:23.079
it's music festival. You're in the long fucking business man.

508
00:26:23.799 --> 00:26:27.680
And she was bitching about a bunch of things, like

509
00:26:27.839 --> 00:26:34.680
to the crowd, to the crowd, great voice, phenomenal voice.

510
00:26:35.279 --> 00:26:38.519
But when I saw that, I was like, no, until

511
00:26:38.559 --> 00:26:41.119
he turned off by that person that.

512
00:26:41.160 --> 00:26:45.359
Was Stevie Nicks. No, yep.

513
00:26:49.039 --> 00:26:52.079
And I never imagined her to be like that, but man,

514
00:26:52.200 --> 00:26:55.759
she was acting like she was everybody's mother in the audience,

515
00:26:55.880 --> 00:26:58.839
you know, and telling them what to do and listen,

516
00:26:58.920 --> 00:27:00.400
there's let people have fun.

517
00:27:00.839 --> 00:27:01.200
Listen.

518
00:27:01.759 --> 00:27:05.440
I get it if the smoke bothers you, I get

519
00:27:05.480 --> 00:27:07.960
it for all the reasons.

520
00:27:08.319 --> 00:27:14.880
But you can't talk to the crowd like that. Wait, solution.

521
00:27:15.200 --> 00:27:18.000
You know how many gigs have you done in all

522
00:27:18.119 --> 00:27:21.720
your career that there was no smoking at all?

523
00:27:22.039 --> 00:27:22.960
Like, come up with it.

524
00:27:23.440 --> 00:27:26.400
Even inside venues where you're not allowed to smoke, people

525
00:27:26.440 --> 00:27:29.359
are still smoking Okay, it's.

526
00:27:29.200 --> 00:27:32.640
A territory, man. That's like, you know, when I remember

527
00:27:32.680 --> 00:27:34.240
when smoking was allowed in bars.

528
00:27:34.279 --> 00:27:37.400
Okay, I'm an ex smoker, obviously, I think I remember.

529
00:27:37.079 --> 00:27:40.000
When when smoking was in bars. And I remember the

530
00:27:40.119 --> 00:27:44.519
day that they enacted the actual no smoking inside even

531
00:27:44.559 --> 00:27:49.279
at a bar. And I watched the entire audience leave

532
00:27:49.480 --> 00:27:52.640
after the second song because they wanted to go out

533
00:27:52.640 --> 00:27:55.480
and have a cigarette with their beer. And what am

534
00:27:55.480 --> 00:27:58.240
I going to say, like, Hey, smoking's bad for you.

535
00:27:58.400 --> 00:28:00.400
I know I smoke, but smoking's bad for you. While

536
00:28:00.440 --> 00:28:03.319
I'm singing, so stay, you know, like their things, I

537
00:28:03.319 --> 00:28:04.279
couldn't say anything.

538
00:28:04.400 --> 00:28:06.680
And I and I get it, like they it's a bar,

539
00:28:06.839 --> 00:28:09.200
it's what they want to do. And I remember thinking

540
00:28:09.240 --> 00:28:11.000
at the time, like this is going to really piss

541
00:28:11.079 --> 00:28:13.240
me off. I need I need to figure out a

542
00:28:13.279 --> 00:28:16.640
way to arrange the set so that people have, you know,

543
00:28:16.960 --> 00:28:18.359
a quick five minute breather.

544
00:28:18.759 --> 00:28:21.440
Even if I only have like twenty five minutes, I'll.

545
00:28:21.240 --> 00:28:23.880
Go like, okay, we're gonna, you know, change something around

546
00:28:23.920 --> 00:28:25.440
real quick if you want to go steal a smoke

547
00:28:25.599 --> 00:28:28.839
and come right back, you know. And people were appreciative

548
00:28:28.880 --> 00:28:31.480
of that because you could tell they wanted to stay.

549
00:28:31.720 --> 00:28:34.119
But at the same time, three beers in. You know,

550
00:28:34.680 --> 00:28:35.480
Marcoro's calling.

551
00:28:35.640 --> 00:28:37.359
So that's a former smoker.

552
00:28:37.680 --> 00:28:41.039
Yeah, I would totally love you for doing that, because

553
00:28:41.480 --> 00:28:43.720
it's not that I want missing part of your set.

554
00:28:43.880 --> 00:28:45.839
It's just I need a fucking cigarette.

555
00:28:45.880 --> 00:28:48.519
Man, it's calling you. Yeah, I get it, you know.

556
00:28:48.640 --> 00:28:51.200
So I remember doing that, and then my bandmates at

557
00:28:51.200 --> 00:28:52.920
the time, not these guys, but my bandmates at the

558
00:28:52.920 --> 00:28:53.480
time were like.

559
00:28:53.400 --> 00:28:55.519
Why the hell did you say that? Everybody? I was like,

560
00:28:55.559 --> 00:28:58.920
but everybody came back within five minutes like, no shit,

561
00:28:59.319 --> 00:29:02.319
I said that, and people were like sweet. So they

562
00:29:02.359 --> 00:29:04.519
went out, they puffed down a cigarette real quick, stumped

563
00:29:04.519 --> 00:29:05.839
it out, and came back in once they heard the

564
00:29:05.920 --> 00:29:06.359
music going.

565
00:29:06.839 --> 00:29:09.079
And I was like, you tell, okay, how about this.

566
00:29:09.119 --> 00:29:11.880
I'll try the next time. I'll say, you know, hey,

567
00:29:11.960 --> 00:29:14.759
don't go nowhere, we only have twenty five minutes. Hang

568
00:29:14.839 --> 00:29:18.359
onto your cigarettes for twenty five minutes. Terrible reaction, and

569
00:29:18.400 --> 00:29:21.279
I knew it would be, and so I refersed it

570
00:29:21.759 --> 00:29:23.599
halfway through the set. I'm like, just joking, go smoke,

571
00:29:23.640 --> 00:29:26.039
We'll be right back, you know. But you could tell

572
00:29:26.079 --> 00:29:28.799
that people were like, what are you telling me to do?

573
00:29:29.039 --> 00:29:31.079
You know? So it's just one of those.

574
00:29:30.880 --> 00:29:33.519
Things I knew that was gonna change the face of

575
00:29:34.200 --> 00:29:37.640
how crowds interacted on top of everything else, you know.

576
00:29:37.799 --> 00:29:41.480
So I don't know, personally, I think that's overstepping. These

577
00:29:41.480 --> 00:29:43.480
are the people that buy your record. These are the

578
00:29:43.480 --> 00:29:44.839
people that showed up at the door.

579
00:29:45.079 --> 00:29:45.839
Keep sure, we.

580
00:29:45.960 --> 00:29:50.319
Stopped in your set multiple times to yell at people

581
00:29:50.880 --> 00:29:55.359
like she was scolding people. And I'm like, crazy, if

582
00:29:55.400 --> 00:29:58.799
these people ever go see you again, they're stupid, because

583
00:29:58.839 --> 00:30:03.039
if she was scolding me, I certainly wouldn't go see

584
00:30:03.079 --> 00:30:09.119
her again. You know, type of thing now. But here's

585
00:30:09.160 --> 00:30:12.720
what I find also in answer to your question, I

586
00:30:12.920 --> 00:30:19.160
rate artists on three different levels. There's the icons who

587
00:30:19.200 --> 00:30:22.480
have no idea they're rock stars because they are icons,

588
00:30:22.519 --> 00:30:25.400
and they're just cool as shit, Like why I've interviewed

589
00:30:25.440 --> 00:30:28.960
Learned Skinner. They were laughing the whole interview, like they

590
00:30:29.000 --> 00:30:34.680
don't take themselves seriously. Because most icons don't wake up

591
00:30:35.680 --> 00:30:38.000
early in the career and say I want.

592
00:30:37.759 --> 00:30:38.640
To be a rock star.

593
00:30:38.960 --> 00:30:44.279
It's the douchebags that say that, yes, yes. The real

594
00:30:44.400 --> 00:30:48.599
musicians could give a shit less or don't even want that,

595
00:30:48.720 --> 00:30:53.839
like Kurt Cobain did. Not want that at all at all. Okay,

596
00:30:54.279 --> 00:30:55.960
if it was up to him, he would just stay

597
00:30:56.000 --> 00:30:57.319
in the hotel room and.

598
00:30:57.240 --> 00:30:59.640
Play a guitar with Courtney. You know.

599
00:30:59.720 --> 00:31:03.759
That was how he was. And that's a true musician.

600
00:31:03.839 --> 00:31:08.440
That's a true artist, you know. So then there's to

601
00:31:08.519 --> 00:31:11.160
the bottom run the emerging.

602
00:31:10.680 --> 00:31:12.000
Artists and new artists.

603
00:31:12.640 --> 00:31:15.480
They're totally cool as shit too because they haven't had

604
00:31:15.480 --> 00:31:19.279
a chance of an ego yet, okay, and they just

605
00:31:19.519 --> 00:31:22.759
are starving to be able to play, and so they're

606
00:31:22.799 --> 00:31:27.480
really cool. It's the middle ones, it's yeah, the ones

607
00:31:27.480 --> 00:31:30.759
that either, like I said, had some fame like ten

608
00:31:30.960 --> 00:31:33.559
twenty years ago, five years ago that they hold on

609
00:31:33.599 --> 00:31:40.200
to forever, or they're just like they think they're the icons.

610
00:31:40.680 --> 00:31:44.240
They think they're better than everybody else, and they're not,

611
00:31:45.279 --> 00:31:47.720
and that's why they're not the icons.

612
00:31:48.000 --> 00:31:52.640
Yep, yeah, no, it's I agree. I would even add

613
00:31:52.680 --> 00:31:55.240
to that, at least from my observation. There's a slight

614
00:31:55.319 --> 00:31:59.400
layer right below that middle, and that's local bands who

615
00:31:59.440 --> 00:32:03.720
have been kicking around the same project and have you know, done.

616
00:32:03.599 --> 00:32:05.920
Bions here and their tours you know.

617
00:32:06.319 --> 00:32:09.920
And you know, they come into a show as like

618
00:32:09.960 --> 00:32:12.559
a direct support for a national act or whatever with

619
00:32:12.640 --> 00:32:15.119
the other local events. But they act like they are

620
00:32:15.319 --> 00:32:18.359
the biggest, hottest shit in the entire world, and they

621
00:32:18.400 --> 00:32:21.640
tend to be the worst as far as like personalities

622
00:32:21.720 --> 00:32:26.759
go backstage to other musicians or we're just looking at them, like, bro,

623
00:32:26.960 --> 00:32:28.079
I know where you live.

624
00:32:28.319 --> 00:32:31.319
You live like twenty miles that way. I fucking see

625
00:32:31.359 --> 00:32:36.000
you a goddamn Whole Foods every fucking Saturday, Like how

626
00:32:36.039 --> 00:32:36.279
are you?

627
00:32:36.319 --> 00:32:38.759
How do you think that your shit don't stink? We

628
00:32:38.920 --> 00:32:41.640
come from the same area, done the same things, Like

629
00:32:41.920 --> 00:32:44.119
how fucking dare you be like that? You know, it's

630
00:32:44.160 --> 00:32:48.920
just crazy to me that you have absolutely zero accolades,

631
00:32:49.319 --> 00:32:52.920
Not that you think that having accolades and this excuse

632
00:32:52.960 --> 00:32:55.359
to be a shitty human being, but those ones tend

633
00:32:55.359 --> 00:32:57.519
to be you know, just cracks me up. I'm like,

634
00:32:57.519 --> 00:32:58.440
who the fuck are you?

635
00:32:58.519 --> 00:32:58.680
Right?

636
00:32:59.599 --> 00:33:03.119
Don't exactly And a lot of them they forget where

637
00:33:03.160 --> 00:33:06.240
they come from too. I think the icons that are

638
00:33:06.640 --> 00:33:09.319
nice as could be and have no ego, they don't forget.

639
00:33:09.640 --> 00:33:12.599
They don't forget they got them there, you know. And

640
00:33:13.039 --> 00:33:15.599
you know, like I always say, an overnight success takes

641
00:33:15.599 --> 00:33:16.920
about twenty years.

642
00:33:18.680 --> 00:33:19.720
Nice I agree with that.

643
00:33:19.920 --> 00:33:25.839
Yes, yeah, so let's tell everybody how they can reach

644
00:33:25.880 --> 00:33:29.519
out to you guys on socials, on the web, how

645
00:33:29.519 --> 00:33:34.480
they can check out your new album Pulseline Scar and

646
00:33:36.000 --> 00:33:38.960
more importantly by your merch because they can't listen to

647
00:33:38.960 --> 00:33:40.440
my show unless they buy your merch.

648
00:33:41.119 --> 00:33:45.400
Hell yeah, So I would say that the easiest way

649
00:33:45.440 --> 00:33:48.960
to find us is either YouTube just typing in the

650
00:33:48.960 --> 00:33:50.720
band name, or link tree.

651
00:33:50.799 --> 00:33:54.359
Link tree will have all of the links Facebook, Twitter,

652
00:33:55.039 --> 00:33:58.799
Apple Music, Google Music, Amazon Music, all of the things,

653
00:33:58.920 --> 00:34:02.079
everything that's going on right now has a spot within

654
00:34:02.119 --> 00:34:04.519
our link tree that you can just click once and

655
00:34:04.559 --> 00:34:06.960
go to where you need to go. So that would

656
00:34:07.000 --> 00:34:08.840
be the best way to check us out. We are

657
00:34:08.920 --> 00:34:11.840
going to end up, you know, obviously on Spotify. That'll

658
00:34:11.920 --> 00:34:15.199
drop on the twenty first, and you'll be able to

659
00:34:15.199 --> 00:34:17.840
stream it at that point. But there is a link

660
00:34:17.920 --> 00:34:20.719
to purchase on our link tree as well too.

661
00:34:20.599 --> 00:34:23.719
And well we have vinyls coming up and we have

662
00:34:24.159 --> 00:34:27.719
regular CDs as well. But you know, these days, streaming

663
00:34:27.800 --> 00:34:30.760
is like one of the main stays. I would say

664
00:34:30.800 --> 00:34:32.920
for people who want to support us, one of the

665
00:34:32.920 --> 00:34:36.360
biggest things is, like you said, buying merch and coming

666
00:34:36.360 --> 00:34:40.000
to shows, because I think it's important for our audience

667
00:34:40.079 --> 00:34:44.599
to get educated in the world of disillusioned musicians.

668
00:34:44.800 --> 00:34:47.039
For example, Spotify.

669
00:34:46.639 --> 00:34:48.400
You know, you can get one hundred and fifty thousand,

670
00:34:48.920 --> 00:34:52.039
half a million plays and get a check for twenty cents.

671
00:34:52.800 --> 00:34:53.960
After always sending.

672
00:34:53.760 --> 00:34:58.719
That I pay more royalties than Spotify does, there's something

673
00:34:58.760 --> 00:35:00.039
wrong with that.

674
00:35:00.039 --> 00:35:03.840
Absolutely, and all of the other things that go into

675
00:35:04.079 --> 00:35:08.239
getting something ready for people to consume, just even getting

676
00:35:08.320 --> 00:35:12.320
the information to them is highly costly. So definitely, buy

677
00:35:12.400 --> 00:35:14.519
merch help support us, but more than anything, we just

678
00:35:14.599 --> 00:35:16.760
want to interact with people who like our music.

679
00:35:17.559 --> 00:35:19.639
You can always buy merch at a show as well,

680
00:35:19.679 --> 00:35:21.199
in addition to buying it online.

681
00:35:21.239 --> 00:35:23.280
But yeah, if you do end up coming out to

682
00:35:23.280 --> 00:35:25.480
see us on any of our upcoming shows, you know,

683
00:35:25.719 --> 00:35:26.880
just stop by.

684
00:35:27.039 --> 00:35:28.760
I will always be at the merch.

685
00:35:28.519 --> 00:35:31.920
Booth after a set, talking with people and just kind

686
00:35:31.920 --> 00:35:32.599
of hanging out.

687
00:35:33.000 --> 00:35:36.519
And if you've seen us from the Adventure of Pipemin,

688
00:35:36.800 --> 00:35:37.400
just let me know.

689
00:35:37.480 --> 00:35:39.960
Hey, you know, I saw you on an interview at

690
00:35:39.960 --> 00:35:43.719
the Pipemin and I will give you a free shirt nice.

691
00:35:43.880 --> 00:35:46.679
And I gotta tell you I saw two lines that

692
00:35:46.760 --> 00:35:52.320
I absolutely loved. One was where it was said delivering

693
00:35:52.360 --> 00:35:56.159
an album that doesn't simply ask to be heard, it

694
00:35:56.280 --> 00:36:00.280
demands to be felt. That that is a great eight

695
00:36:00.320 --> 00:36:05.280
line because music is felt, it's not just heard. And

696
00:36:05.360 --> 00:36:08.559
I think that is the problem with stuff like Spotify

697
00:36:08.599 --> 00:36:13.519
and this track track track mentality, because kids today they're

698
00:36:13.599 --> 00:36:17.320
just listening, they're not feeling it. They're not immersing themselves

699
00:36:17.320 --> 00:36:20.559
in the music. And I think with everything going on

700
00:36:20.599 --> 00:36:23.320
in the world, we need to immerse ourselves more and

701
00:36:23.400 --> 00:36:25.480
more in music to get our therapy.

702
00:36:26.320 --> 00:36:29.400
Agreed, Agreed, and discovering your music, because I mean, the

703
00:36:29.400 --> 00:36:32.679
world can stop, but the creation of things never does,

704
00:36:32.840 --> 00:36:38.360
especially music. So if anything that I appreciate about technology

705
00:36:38.440 --> 00:36:42.079
is at least now the indie band or the everyday musician,

706
00:36:43.000 --> 00:36:45.840
or even just somebody who likes to you know, DJ

707
00:36:45.960 --> 00:36:48.280
in their bedroom at night when everyone's gone to bed,

708
00:36:48.599 --> 00:36:51.400
all of those people still have the same ability to

709
00:36:51.599 --> 00:36:55.719
reach a large number of ears. So I appreciate that

710
00:36:55.800 --> 00:36:58.840
about technology. But yeah, I mean it's I you'll be

711
00:36:58.840 --> 00:37:02.079
able to hear us at a show. You can buy things,

712
00:37:02.519 --> 00:37:05.920
but it's so much better to come and feel it.

713
00:37:05.920 --> 00:37:09.840
It's no, no, yeah, what we do on CD is great, right,

714
00:37:09.960 --> 00:37:13.280
like our recording. I'm very proud of this album. However,

715
00:37:13.760 --> 00:37:16.239
pretty much every fan that's ever come to see us

716
00:37:16.280 --> 00:37:20.960
live after having heard us, it's like, whoa, I didn't

717
00:37:21.000 --> 00:37:23.480
expect it. It had it had it gave me a

718
00:37:23.480 --> 00:37:26.760
physical connection to what you're saying. And those are the

719
00:37:26.760 --> 00:37:28.719
words that make my heart happy because I'm.

720
00:37:28.559 --> 00:37:31.639
Like, holy shit, then that's what we're trying to do.

721
00:37:31.800 --> 00:37:35.920
Yay nice And the other line that I like, and

722
00:37:35.960 --> 00:37:39.320
I like it because I can't stand genres. I can't

723
00:37:39.360 --> 00:37:43.599
stand playing artists in a box, and that box keeps

724
00:37:43.599 --> 00:37:47.559
getting smaller and smaller. So I saw where it said

725
00:37:47.599 --> 00:37:52.800
trying to categorize beautiful skeletons has never been easy, and

726
00:37:52.840 --> 00:37:56.719
they prefer it that way, and I love that because

727
00:37:56.760 --> 00:37:58.599
that's the way I prefer it as well.

728
00:37:59.480 --> 00:38:00.000
Absolutely.

729
00:38:00.440 --> 00:38:03.039
I mean, we can talk, we can talk to we're

730
00:38:03.039 --> 00:38:05.280
blue in the face about our favorite genres, what our

731
00:38:05.280 --> 00:38:07.760
influences there were, you know, what we would listen to

732
00:38:07.840 --> 00:38:11.320
on a daily basis. But the reality is like you're

733
00:38:11.400 --> 00:38:14.599
just one person in a in a bigger, you know pie.

734
00:38:14.719 --> 00:38:17.280
All of us contribute to the ingredients of that pie,

735
00:38:17.760 --> 00:38:22.280
and us having completely opposite influences. Myself and the other

736
00:38:22.320 --> 00:38:25.519
guys in the band that in my opinion, that's what

737
00:38:25.719 --> 00:38:26.760
makes it so that when we.

738
00:38:26.679 --> 00:38:29.719
Do create music, we create what we do.

739
00:38:29.840 --> 00:38:33.119
I mean, it's just very unique to us, not even

740
00:38:33.159 --> 00:38:35.119
being influenced by the same frickin.

741
00:38:34.920 --> 00:38:38.880
Thing all the time. Yes, yeah, and.

742
00:38:38.880 --> 00:38:41.119
I feel like that had out of all the bands

743
00:38:41.159 --> 00:38:42.760
and projects I've ever been in, I think this is

744
00:38:42.760 --> 00:38:44.880
the most unique, and that's why I've stuck with it

745
00:38:44.960 --> 00:38:49.199
the longest, because it's so hard to find other musicians

746
00:38:49.199 --> 00:38:55.280
that are okay being sort of fringe of whatever genre

747
00:38:55.360 --> 00:38:58.440
that you say that you take your inspiration from. Like,

748
00:38:59.000 --> 00:39:03.119
for example, our Basis love him to death. He loves country,

749
00:39:03.199 --> 00:39:08.159
and we railed him all all the time, like it's

750
00:39:08.199 --> 00:39:12.800
always a joke about Jason's like favorite whatever country artists, right,

751
00:39:13.280 --> 00:39:16.719
But even then, he is the best Basis I've ever

752
00:39:16.760 --> 00:39:21.079
worked with because he's doing walking basslines on like Adgenti

753
00:39:21.239 --> 00:39:23.920
track and it sounds fucking sick, you know. And that's

754
00:39:24.119 --> 00:39:28.400
that's exactly why I feel like having those opposite influences,

755
00:39:28.400 --> 00:39:31.360
if you can lock into the right tap into the

756
00:39:31.480 --> 00:39:34.719
right feeling, it doesn't matter, you know, And we end

757
00:39:34.800 --> 00:39:36.400
up shooting tracks out left and right.

758
00:39:36.440 --> 00:39:37.280
I mean, it's ridiculous.

759
00:39:37.360 --> 00:39:40.800
We have hundreds and hundreds and hundreds of songs that

760
00:39:40.840 --> 00:39:44.920
we've written just from jamming and just stored away in

761
00:39:44.960 --> 00:39:48.000
the bolt, you know, for future use, because we just

762
00:39:48.079 --> 00:39:51.400
have so much musical chemistry. And that's a that's very

763
00:39:51.480 --> 00:39:53.199
very important. But I do think you see that on

764
00:39:53.280 --> 00:39:54.760
stage two when we play.

765
00:39:55.400 --> 00:39:58.519
That's key, and I think it is extremely important. And

766
00:39:59.239 --> 00:40:01.519
I think the chemist Street is way more important than

767
00:40:01.559 --> 00:40:02.119
the genre.

768
00:40:03.599 --> 00:40:05.159
Agreed. Agreed.

769
00:40:05.199 --> 00:40:08.119
We had trouble getting a drummer for a while, getting

770
00:40:08.159 --> 00:40:10.280
a drummer that you know is the right fit and

771
00:40:10.360 --> 00:40:13.880
had the availability to stay and and and gig and

772
00:40:13.960 --> 00:40:17.639
tour like we want. And we didn't limit ourselves to

773
00:40:17.960 --> 00:40:20.480
you know, you know, looking for a metal drummer, you know,

774
00:40:20.559 --> 00:40:21.960
looking for a prov metal drummer.

775
00:40:23.880 --> 00:40:24.320
None of that.

776
00:40:24.400 --> 00:40:26.719
I mean, it was just come hang out with us,

777
00:40:27.400 --> 00:40:31.599
don't bother learning any songs, Let's jam for an hour.

778
00:40:32.119 --> 00:40:35.760
That's how we auditioned people. And it is a tried

779
00:40:35.840 --> 00:40:38.559
and true method. We've had people come and try to

780
00:40:38.599 --> 00:40:40.960
play a song and you know it could work out,

781
00:40:41.360 --> 00:40:43.679
but it's when we start jamming that I'm.

782
00:40:43.519 --> 00:40:45.360
Like, all right, what do you do when you don't

783
00:40:45.400 --> 00:40:46.960
know what you're doing? That's what I want to know

784
00:40:47.400 --> 00:40:48.239
because at some.

785
00:40:48.559 --> 00:40:50.840
At some point on stage, you're not gonna fucking remember

786
00:40:50.880 --> 00:40:51.840
what you're supposed to be doing.

787
00:40:52.760 --> 00:40:55.800
And I don't want you to just stop playing midway

788
00:40:55.800 --> 00:40:58.000
through the song and go oh wait, shit, I miss No.

789
00:40:58.400 --> 00:41:00.000
I need to know what you're gonna do under pressure,

790
00:41:00.719 --> 00:41:03.000
and not only that, can you keep it under pressure,

791
00:41:03.000 --> 00:41:07.000
but can you create under pressure quickly? You know?

792
00:41:07.199 --> 00:41:10.400
And it's just the best audition process ever. And that's

793
00:41:10.400 --> 00:41:12.280
how we landed on the lineup we have now, which

794
00:41:12.280 --> 00:41:13.000
I'm very happy with.

795
00:41:13.159 --> 00:41:14.880
So I love that.

796
00:41:14.880 --> 00:41:18.159
That is a that is a beautiful plan for auditioning,

797
00:41:18.280 --> 00:41:21.400
I think, you know, And it reminds me at times

798
00:41:21.480 --> 00:41:25.440
like Okay, Randy Rhodes, he was tuning his guitar and

799
00:41:25.480 --> 00:41:28.320
Aussie hired him because he was tuning his guitar, Like.

800
00:41:28.519 --> 00:41:29.480
Shit, I didn't know that.

801
00:41:30.079 --> 00:41:30.840
I didn't know that.

802
00:41:30.960 --> 00:41:35.480
Yeah wow, So that's insane.

803
00:41:35.719 --> 00:41:41.119
Like that, like one of the best guitarists ever. And

804
00:41:41.400 --> 00:41:45.880
obviously there was something heard in that, you know, opposed

805
00:41:45.920 --> 00:41:49.119
to just playing a song, you know, because they ain't

806
00:41:49.159 --> 00:41:53.920
Mady could play a song, like you said, not anybody

807
00:41:53.960 --> 00:41:56.719
but anybody that's a musician that knows how to play

808
00:41:57.280 --> 00:42:01.800
exactly but not anybody can just off the cuff do

809
00:42:02.000 --> 00:42:06.599
something when everything's gone the hell, Yeah, you have to

810
00:42:06.639 --> 00:42:07.800
do something.

811
00:42:08.079 --> 00:42:10.280
Yeah, yeah, you know.

812
00:42:10.360 --> 00:42:12.920
I mean, I think we've all had our share of

813
00:42:13.079 --> 00:42:15.679
a fucking up life, like we were talking about earlier,

814
00:42:16.199 --> 00:42:19.480
and you know, I personally feel like I probably had

815
00:42:19.519 --> 00:42:21.840
more of a share of that because as a front woman,

816
00:42:21.920 --> 00:42:25.880
obviously everyone's looking at me before anyone else, and so

817
00:42:25.920 --> 00:42:28.679
there's pressure there. But you know, like I used to care,

818
00:42:28.719 --> 00:42:32.199
and I'd say these days for the most part, as

819
00:42:32.239 --> 00:42:34.920
long as I didn't like flash my cootie at the

820
00:42:34.960 --> 00:42:37.320
wrong person by accident, you know, and it was a

821
00:42:37.360 --> 00:42:38.639
meaningful flash, and I.

822
00:42:38.679 --> 00:42:40.559
Targeted somebody that would be different.

823
00:42:40.840 --> 00:42:44.119
But there's not very there's not very much that can't

824
00:42:44.119 --> 00:42:48.639
embarrass me anymore other than like a truly shitty vocal performance,

825
00:42:48.639 --> 00:42:51.960
I guess. But like I mean, I'd fallen off my

826
00:42:52.159 --> 00:42:56.239
riser and literally tripped right into the drum set. I

827
00:42:56.639 --> 00:42:58.840
picked up my mic and go all right, well, good

828
00:42:58.840 --> 00:42:59.719
thing I didn't crack my head.

829
00:42:59.840 --> 00:43:02.440
Keep going. I was at the front of a stage

830
00:43:02.480 --> 00:43:04.800
that had like these weird blocks that they put so

831
00:43:04.840 --> 00:43:07.320
that the vocalists could like kind of get out past

832
00:43:07.320 --> 00:43:09.159
the stage but didn't tell anyone that.

833
00:43:09.119 --> 00:43:12.679
The blocks were like pushed together like Ikia furniture. So

834
00:43:12.760 --> 00:43:14.840
of course I step in this dark and it's right

835
00:43:14.880 --> 00:43:17.679
through the crack. I had somebody actually catch me before

836
00:43:17.760 --> 00:43:20.679
I bit it and put me back on stage, didn't

837
00:43:20.719 --> 00:43:22.719
stop singing, didn't say a fucking thing about it.

838
00:43:23.000 --> 00:43:26.000
I jumped. I'm tiny, okay, like I'm short.

839
00:43:25.480 --> 00:43:27.599
And we were playing at a venue that the stage

840
00:43:27.719 --> 00:43:29.480
was like way far off the ground, and I just

841
00:43:29.599 --> 00:43:31.639
I had this moment where I was like, fuck it,

842
00:43:31.639 --> 00:43:34.360
I'm gonna jump right and I jumped and then I

843
00:43:34.400 --> 00:43:37.440
realized I landed. Everything was cool, and then I looked

844
00:43:37.480 --> 00:43:40.440
back as I'm singing, I look back and realized it's way.

845
00:43:40.239 --> 00:43:42.000
Taller than I can pull my fatus up there.

846
00:43:42.039 --> 00:43:46.360
I'm like, I have to run around the audience through

847
00:43:46.440 --> 00:43:48.320
that I can up onto the stage.

848
00:43:48.599 --> 00:43:52.320
My mic was corded at the time, so obviously I

849
00:43:52.360 --> 00:43:56.079
can't take the lark cable with me. So halfway through

850
00:43:56.119 --> 00:43:59.960
my phreezing, I unclipped it through it back on stage,

851
00:44:00.280 --> 00:44:03.559
ran threw the crowd up on stage, grabbed it. The

852
00:44:03.599 --> 00:44:06.599
guys were looking at me like, what the fuck is happening? Yet?

853
00:44:06.679 --> 00:44:09.800
Grab it? Plug it? In didn't miss a fucking Everybody's like,

854
00:44:10.960 --> 00:44:12.960
it's that kind of shit, you know. In my head,

855
00:44:13.039 --> 00:44:15.719
I'm like that that was terrible. I'll never live that down.

856
00:44:16.239 --> 00:44:18.519
And the opposite happened. People were like, that was fucking

857
00:44:18.679 --> 00:44:20.719
sick exactly.

858
00:44:20.880 --> 00:44:22.039
People love that shit.

859
00:44:22.639 --> 00:44:27.320
I saw Vincent Price of Body count Iced Tea's band

860
00:44:27.960 --> 00:44:30.679
jump off the stage just like you a high stage.

861
00:44:31.320 --> 00:44:37.960
Broke his leg on the jump and kept playing Whoa

862
00:44:38.800 --> 00:44:41.880
and they came over with it. They came over with

863
00:44:42.039 --> 00:44:45.599
like a wheelchair or something later, but for a few

864
00:44:45.599 --> 00:44:47.719
minutes he was just lying on the ground playing with

865
00:44:47.920 --> 00:44:50.400
broken leg, and then he played the rest of the

866
00:44:50.519 --> 00:44:55.320
gig down there because they dropped him up. So that's

867
00:44:56.360 --> 00:44:57.119
that's metal.

868
00:44:58.119 --> 00:45:01.039
That is crazy, that's se That's the stuff that like

869
00:45:01.519 --> 00:45:02.960
in the moment, you're like this is dead.

870
00:45:03.039 --> 00:45:06.360
I'm dead, Like that's it's over. I'm gone, like this

871
00:45:06.440 --> 00:45:07.239
is gonna be talked about.

872
00:45:07.440 --> 00:45:09.079
But then you come out the other side and it's

873
00:45:09.119 --> 00:45:11.559
really about your own reaction, right Like had I like

874
00:45:12.320 --> 00:45:15.000
started crying and decided to run out of the venue,

875
00:45:15.239 --> 00:45:17.000
you know, I mean, that would have been bad. But

876
00:45:17.320 --> 00:45:20.079
obviously I just fake it till you make it sometimes,

877
00:45:20.159 --> 00:45:22.079
and that was one of those things where it's just like,

878
00:45:22.119 --> 00:45:23.639
all right, well, the worst that can happen is I

879
00:45:23.639 --> 00:45:25.920
miss averse, like who fucking cares?

880
00:45:26.880 --> 00:45:29.639
And that I feel like that just over time gets better.

881
00:45:30.199 --> 00:45:34.199
But I've seen Jim Morrison as an example. He used

882
00:45:34.199 --> 00:45:37.159
to fuck up all the time, fall over the stage,

883
00:45:37.360 --> 00:45:41.760
get arrested, and like he's still one of the most

884
00:45:41.800 --> 00:45:48.159
beloved artists ever. So yes, yeah, anyway, thanks a lot

885
00:45:48.239 --> 00:45:50.519
for giving us. It's great music. People have to check

886
00:45:50.559 --> 00:45:54.639
it out because you guys rock. Thanks for being on

887
00:45:54.679 --> 00:45:55.840
the Adventures of Pipe Man.

888
00:45:56.440 --> 00:46:00.239
Hey, you guys, chill have a wonderful day and we'll

889
00:46:00.280 --> 00:46:04.840
talk to you next day. Thank you for listening to

890
00:46:05.000 --> 00:46:11.199
the Adventures of Typeman on w for c u I Radio.