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Crossing Genres & Generations: Morgoth, Sorry X, Pipeman Dive Into Heavy Music at Aftershock 2026

Crossing Genres & Generations: Morgoth, Sorry X, Pipeman Dive Into Heavy Music at Aftershock 2026
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On this double-header episode from Aftershock, Pipeman sits down with Morgoth (Seven Hours After Violet, producer) and Sorry X for a spirited conversation about the changing landscape of heavy music, the unification of genres, wild festival stories, and their own musical projects. The episode features raw nostalgia from the LA metal and punk scenes, insights on mosh pit culture, production anecdotes, and announcements about upcoming music and collaborations.Main Topics Covered

  • Why Morgoth loves attending Aftershock even without playing
  • Morgoth's production work for bands performing at the festival
  • Betting on breakthrough acts like Holy Water and Seven Hours After Violet
  • Sorry X's collaboration with Drowning Pool and covering "Bodies"
  • Hilarious stories from festival life (including William Shatner’s heavy metal project)
  • Genre fusion at American rock festivals and the influence of acts like $uicideboy$
  • The enduring legacy and business model of Insane Clown Posse
  • Legendary mosh pit stories from the '80s to present
  • The evolution and cultural crossover between metal, punk, and hardcore
  • Barriers between genre communities and how today’s scene is more inclusive
  • Upcoming releases and projects from both Sorry X and Morgoth
Key Discussions & StoriesFestival Life & Community
  • Morgoth shares why Aftershock is a favorite for him: convenience, family roots in Sacramento, staying with his parents, and seeing acts he’s produced or written for in action 00:51.
  • Holy Watr, produced by Morgoth, is tipped as a breakout band: “If I could buy stock in a band, it’d be Holy Watr. Patrick's a star…” 01:34.
  • Pipeman reveals his pick for next big act: Seven Hours After Violet 01:54.
Collaboration Stories
  • Sorry X recounts how a cover of “Bodies” led to collaboration with Drowning Pool, building from an Instagram cover into a full feature with guitar solos 03:01.
  • Morgoth details production collaborations, including ongoing work with Polyphia (with Kanye West’s Sunday Service Gospel Choir), new material for Holy Water, and the return of Goliath, his OG hardcore band 29:41, 30:03, 31:07.
Wild Festival Tales
  • Outrageous story about William Shatner (Captain Kirk) starting a heavy metal band, The Fuckers, at 95, and what it would be like for him to perform “Bodies” or Metallica covers 03:34.
  • Stories of getting doused with water by Fred Durst during Limp Bizkit’s headline and stage experiences at major festivals 08:24.
  • Iconic mosh pit memories and conversation about the best and most dangerous pits—from Hellfest to Grasspop to Limp Bizkit and Korn’s wild South American shows 09:49, 11:08.
Genre Fusion & Scene Reflections
  • Discussion on the modern festival model embracing genre fusion, hip-hop and metal on same bills, and the role of acts like $uicideboy$ in breaking down barriers 06:08.
  • The legacy and unique “universe” built by Insane Clown Posse as a model of DIY success 07:25.
  • Nostalgia from Pipeman on the original crossover days: Slayer’s and Metallica’s first shows, LA’s infamous venues, and blending the punk/metal scenes 14:57, 15:41.
  • Reflections on the divisive ‘80s subcultures, gatekeeping, and how things have changed with the internet—“People who like only one type of music are weird” 20:47.
Recent & Upcoming Projects
  • Sorry X announces her debut album “Exes,” upcoming deluxe edition, and show dates (including a Halloween party and playing with Eyes Set to Kill in December). Merch is available at sorryxmusic.com25:57, 26:09.
  • Morgoth teases a finished EP from Seven Hours After Violet (SHAV), more releases in the pipeline, and a Polyphia feature with Kanye West’s Sunday Service Gospel Choir dropping soon 28:53, 30:03.
  • Revival of his early hardcore band Goliath, with a new single out October 30th 31:07.
Notable Quotes
  • “If I could bet on a band being huge within the next two years… I’d buy stock in Holy Watr.” — Morgoth 01:34
  • “Have you heard the Bodies cover with Migos? One of the sickest hip-hop metal fusions I’ve ever heard.” — Morgoth 05:13
  • “If you want to solve all the world’s problems, music.” — Pipeman 06:02
  • “All the biggest metal has some inkling of a mixture of hardcore in it; you can’t separate them.” — Morgoth 19:56
  • “People who just like one type of music, I find, are weird.” — Morgoth 20:48
  • “Metalcore is now—and has been—the biggest subgenre of heavy music for 20-plus years at this point.” — Morgoth 25:00
Resources & Links Mentioned
  • Sorry X’s merch & music (ships her own merch, debut album "Exes")
  • Seven Hours After Violet (SHAV): new EP coming soon, follow Morgoth Beats for updates
  • Polyphia’s upcoming album (features Morgoth-produced track with Kanye West’s Sunday Service Gospel Choir, releases Oct 23rd)
  • Goliath’s new single: October 30th release
  • Cammi Keough and Cami Cale (collaborators/neighbors)
  • Other acts referenced: Holy Water, Drowning Pool, Limp Bizkit, $uicideboy$, Turnstile, Cro-Mags, Agnostic Front, ICP, Cypress Hill, Insane Clown Posse, Twiztid, Korn, Metallica, Slayer, Possessed, Savage Grace
Connect with Guests
  • Sorry X: Instagram (@sorryxmusic on all platforms)
  • Morgoth (Seven Hours After Violet, Morgoth Beats): Instagram


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Hey, you're listening to Adventure on W4CY Radio.

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This is Pipe Man here on the Adventure's Pipe Man

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W4CY Radio, and I'm here with.

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Morgoth.

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And Sari X.

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Nice. I have a double header going on. I'm so

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excited here. Killing two birds with one stone with two

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amazing freaking artists at Aftershock here. Both of which aren't

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playing Aftershock.

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I'm not, yeah. I'm not playing Aftershock.

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I love that. I love that. So, first of all,

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I've been seeing you all over the place here. Why

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do you love Aftershock so much that you're going to

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bear with this heat?

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My mom and dad live in Sacramento, so there's like

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a convenience factor for me.

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Yeah, that's true.

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I get to stay at their house and just coming

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here is easier. And I produce for a lot of

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artists who are playing and written songs for a lot

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of artists who are playing. So it's fun to come

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watch songs you've helped written in the wild.

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Are there any that you want to mention that played

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this year?

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One of my favorites right now that they're playing tomorrow,

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which will be Sunday, is Holy Water.

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Yes. I talked to them at Louder.

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Oh, cool.

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Yeah. So I've produced a handful of that music with

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them and a bunch of unreleased stuff, too, that's coming

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out with them. And yeah, if I could bet on

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a band being huge within the next two years, if

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I could buy stock in it, I would buy stock

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in Holy Water because... Patrick's a star, and they're all

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amazing musicians, and I think they're awesome.

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So then I think with your bet, my bet would

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be seven hours after Violet.

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Thank you. That's biased for me, though.

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There's a co-tour there, right there, of the two biggest

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bands of 2027. Oh, I would love to.

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Touring with Holy Water would be dangerous. I would love that, though.

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I would love that.

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I definitely need to push for that.

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Nice. And so let's now go to you.

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Okay.

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And So I was with the boys from Drowning Pool yesterday,

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who I love.

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Yeah.

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Because our interviews get a little insane. Okay.

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I've been hearing stories.

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Oh, yeah.

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Oh, yeah. And last night I had to help CJ

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figure out how to get to his hotel from this

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media tent. Yeah. And, you know, I wasn't sure who

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had more alcohol, him or his wife. So there wasn't

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even like one person that could be in charge, you know?

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You know, so it was like I almost had to

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drive them to the hotel because I wasn't sure if

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they were going. In fact, I don't even know right

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now if they even made it, but I trust they did.

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I heard they did. I think we're all right.

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All right, good.

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I'm glad you got them home safe.

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I know, right? So tell me how it happened. Like

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you're involved in a song with them. Like how did

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that happen?

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So I did a cover of Bodies.

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Nice.

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And then I posted it. And then I had my

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label reach out and send it to them. And they

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were looking... They weren't actually initially doing any features, but

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they were starting to consider it. And they heard my

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song and they.

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Just really loved it. And then we wrote it together.

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We added some stuff.

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They did the guitar solo and the feature and everything.

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And it was super cool working with them.

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I love that.

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Yeah.

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And so I'm going to make you laugh because... Our

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whole interview had to do with this new heavy metal band, okay?

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Okay.

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They're called The Fuckers, and their new album is What

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the F is Heavy Metal. They debuted. Do you even

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know about this yet?

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I don't know about this.

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Okay.

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I don't know about The Fuckers.

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This is going to be great. You're going to love this.

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They debuted at Riot Fest, and the person who started

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the band is 95 years old. It's Captain Kirk William Shatner.

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I do know about this. Okay, I do know about this.

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Okay.

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Okay, I do know about this.

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So we did a version, if it was, because I

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saw the videos of the performance, and we did a

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version of if William Shatner sang the Bodies song, okay?

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I need to hear this right now.

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Okay, because he does sing just like you would think

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he does.

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Okay.

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So the band's really good. But then he gets up there,

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like they did a cover of Metallica, it was like,

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Take me off to Never Never Land. So I was

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doing the interview and they were dying. I was like,

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let the bodies hit the floor.

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Wow, it's beautiful.

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Right?

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Yeah, maybe it's a ballad now.

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So now you could do, like all three of you

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could record a new, William Shatner will do, you'll co-headline

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with William Shatner.

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I'll do some screams somehow and it'll be epic.

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There you go.

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New genre unlocked.

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The bodies. cover that they did with the Migos is amazing. Nice.

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Have you heard that? I don't know about that. They

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performed it on Jimmy Kimmel, I think, too.

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Oh, really?

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Yeah. Quavo, I think it was. Quavo samples it.

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I forgot who the other feature on it is, though,

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but they performed it together on.

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uh, yeah, I think it was Jimmy Kimmel or something

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like that.

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And it's honestly one of the sickest, uh, like hip

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hop metal fusion things I've ever heard.

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I'm going to have to check that out.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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Yeah. Just type in Migo, Migo's drowning pool. It'll, it'll

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be the first thing.

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See, that's what I love too, is what you like,

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you're saying fusion, like the fact that finally the United

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States has figured it out to have multiple genres at

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a festival. Like I texted my daughter, that's totally into

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hip hop yesterday. I, I listed all the hip-hop bands

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playing yesterday. And it's like, wow, there was a lot

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of them, actually. But it was kind of cool. There's

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something for everything, and we're finally uniting. That's why I think,

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if you want to solve all the world's problems, music.

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Because that's the ultimate uniter. Thank you, Suicide Boys, actually.

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Suicide Boys was very early to making that a thing

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that is now much more normal. Right.

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A lot of that early rap, darker....

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Hip-hop and metal influence stuff like suicide boys and bones

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and stuff like that those were the first kind of

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fusion things like obviously obviously like you can go to

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the 90s and see like judgment day soundtrack with like

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a biohazard and like onyx and there's all this stuff

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but as far as like in like this this uh

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generation the grade a tour like right now they have

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drain on tour with them you know which is like

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one of the coolest hardcore bands right and they were

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here Yeah, in the past, they brought Turnstile. Like, before

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Turnstile was, like, Turnstile, you know, they brought Knock Loose,

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Code Orange. So, yeah, it's cool to see that's become

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a norm.

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I also love that almost every festival I've done since May,

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which has been a lot, has had Cypress Hill and

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Insane Clown Posse. Uh-huh.

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And, like, and.

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Whoop, whoop. Yeah, yeah.

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A Twisted tour, actually. My first tour was with Twisted.

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Oh, I love them. And they're funny, too.

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I produced a little bit for Weegee Mac, too, who's, like,

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their new, like, rising star on Psychopathic.

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Nice.

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Honestly, ICP has aged, like, so much better than you

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would have thought they would have in the 90s and 2000s,

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you know?

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Like, where they're... They do so much cool stuff, and

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they're just such a great business model for being, like, a.

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DIY artist who, like, built their own culture.

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Not even just their own label or their own sound

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or whatever, like, their own universe, really. I can't think

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of another artist who has, like, a bigger independent universe

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than ICP, honestly.

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Yeah, and it's wild, like, the... At Rock, Lahoma, I

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was on stage, and it was so different watching them

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from on stage than from the crowd, and thankfully not

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getting sprayed with Faygo and just watching everybody else get

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sprayed with it. Speaking of which, I don't remember if

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you left yet last night, but I think you did.

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Were you still there at Limp Bizkit when Fred came

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over and doused us all in water?

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Yes, I was right.

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You might have been on the other side of the

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stage of me. Or were we on the same side?

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We were on the same side.

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He doused everyone with water and came and gave me

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a hug.

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He came up to me and took that bottle and

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went right in my face. And I was like... Thank you,

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because it's fucking hot.

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It's an honor. Right?

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Exactly. That is an honor. I didn't even expect that.

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That was cool. It's funny, because you're talking the other

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side of the stage. We were special, because he didn't

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go to the other side of the stage and do that.

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He just did on our side.

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Oh, lucky us.

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Right?

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I literally heard girls' high-pitched scream and excitement after he

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did that.

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Oh, yeah, right? And that's another thing, too, about yesterday, okay?

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So it seems like... They wrapped that all around the

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Limp Bizkit headline day because I would put him on

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both sides too, metal and rap. And so I think

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the lineup was designed for Limp Bizkit yesterday.

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I'm a big Limp Bizkit fan, for sure. Yeah, and

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I agree with you.

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Right?

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Yeah.

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I've gotten the honor of being side stage for Limp

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Bizkit as well, and you just got to say thank you.

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That's all you can do.

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I have to tell you too, and you may not

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like this next part, uh, but I've been into a

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lot of mosh pits in my life, thousands of them. And, uh,

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I've been in seven hours after Violet, the best one

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was at hell fest like that was fucking insane okay

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but the best mosh pit i've ever been in my

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life was at grass pop limp biscuit a few years

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ago oh my god it was insane.

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I'm not mad about that at all limp biscuits sets

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are nuts especially today i literally actually was i literally

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was like talking to fred earlier today and uh I

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was like, dude, that shit was nuts. And he was like, yeah,

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that was a pretty good show. He was like, I

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think everyone was a little burnt out by the heat

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all day. I was like, but for you guys, like,

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everyone being burnt out by the heat and, like, it

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not being, like, the craziest.

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Thing you've ever done is.

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I mean, we've all seen the Woodstock.

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Yeah. Yeah, I was like, that for any other band is, like,

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the most wild show they'll ever see, you know?

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At Louder Than Life, where there's no center part splitting

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up the crowd.

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Yeah.

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The pit was the whole length of the crowd. Yeah.

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It was fucking killer.

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No, I definitely, yeah.

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I think it's one of those things, too, where it's, like,

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there's those kind of pits that, like, you see with

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the craziest, like, bigger bands, like, obviously the Limp Bizkit ones.

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We were just on tour with Korn in South America.

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That's another one.

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Those were, like, some of the wildest pits I've ever seen, too,

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because they have the flares.

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Right.

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They mosh with the flares, and that's wild. But if

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you go to, like.

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Any heavy, hardcore show, really, like anything like a tsunami

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or Drain played yesterday, or even like Knock Loose or

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any of that, Pain of Truth, any of that type

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of stuff, that will be the most violent, scary mosh

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pits you've ever seen.

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Let me tell you something. I'm from the 80s where

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I was a long-haired, You got your ass beat if

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you went to a punk or a hardcore show, but

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hardcore shows in the 80s were definitely fucking scary.

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100%.

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Yeah, the videos and the photos look... Oh, my God.

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But I did, before Fred left here, after he was

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talking to you, I did pull him aside. I've never

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met him before, but I pulled him aside to say, hey,

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I just wanted to tell you, and I told him

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about that, about the mosh pit. And he goes to me,

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was it dangerous? And I'm like, yeah, that's why I

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liked it. He goes, it's got to be dangerous. Just

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like that. He's a character.

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I love it.

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And speaking of the 80s, where the fuck did it go?

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Did I ever show you this?

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Ooh, Battle Vest.

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That's mine. That's mine from the 80s.

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See what your 80s Battle Vest got. Oh, an old

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Metallica one.

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Nice. Really old Metallica one. Misfits.

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You got a Stormtroopers of Death. You got Hellhammer.

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Oh, wow.

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Possessed?

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Possessed. Possessed.

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Possessed.

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One of the first... The first death metal band?

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Yes, but originally back then... They always made fun of

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Possessed calling them a Slayer copycat, and I never got

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that because they didn't sound like Slayer to me. And

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they called them Thrash in the beginning.

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Yeah, I mean, that makes sense because, I mean, at

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the time, I mean, Death Metal didn't really exist before they.

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Formed a band.

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So they just, it was just, you know, that's the

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way it works when you invent a genre. You know,

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you're not going to get called that thing right away.

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It takes time to develop.

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And then Slayer.

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GBH, I love GBH.

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They didn't even have, Slayer didn't even have a patch,

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so I did this, and I lived in LA, and

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they thought I was a gangbanger, and that was my

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gang name.

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Damn, that's hard. That's nice. Okay, you all got DRI.

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Merciful Fate.

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I love DRI. Merciful, yeah, shout out King Diamond.

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Look at original Exodus logo.

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Oh, that's cool. Yeah, you got Voivod.

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Voivod is cool. You got Battalion of Saints.

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Wow. That's old venom. Yep.

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That's called a mosh pit.

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R.I.P.

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R.I.P.

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Kronos.

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Yeah, totally. What a bummer.

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Dude, R.I.P.

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Kronos, man.

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I remember the first time I heard Welcome to Hell,

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it was because he's got his record store in the valley.

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Welcome to Hell! It was, uh, nice. And, uh, There

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was this record store clerk there who used to always

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recommend all these bands and albums, and he hands me

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Welcome to Hell, and I buy it. You know, back then,

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you couldn't listen to it. You just bought it. I

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remember the first time, though, I was reading the lyrics

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while I'm listening. I'm like, this is some scary-ass shit.

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But that person that gave that to me was Brian Slagle,

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because when he first started Metal Blade, he was a

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record store clerk. And I went up to him a

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few years ago, and I'm like, That was pretty fucking genius.

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Marky goes, I was just a record store clerk.

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Damn, that's cool, man. DRI.

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So basically you were like right in the thick of

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it with Crossover Thrash, Early Death Metal.

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I was at Slayer's first show ever. Metallica's first show ever.

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And also, COC, I interviewed them today, but also at Download.

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So I have interviewed both.

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Before this, I interviewed both Mike Dean and Woody on

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separate occasions.

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Oh, that's cool.

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And I mentioned this show, the first crossover show ever.

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It was at the Sun Valley Sportsman's Lodge, an Elks Lodge.

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Oh.

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No security. First time punks and metalheads.

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This is an alley ride.

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Yeah.

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I remember hearing about this venue a lot back in

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the day.

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So I mentioned it on two separate occasions to both

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of them. Like, you may not remember this, but this

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was my most epic show ever. And I said, Sun

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Valley Sportsman's Lodge. And they both said, that was an

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Elks Lodge, right? That was the most epic show ever.

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Damn, that's cool.

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It was Possessed, Dark Angel, and Savage Grace. Yep.

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I toured with them once before. They were awesome.

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I was very confident.

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Savage Grace, too.

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Oh, they're one of my favorites. Oh, cool. Okay, so

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check this out. You know how you tell your kids,

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if you're a parent, stories, and they're like, yeah, sure, Dad,

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sure that happened. So, like, I was known as the

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most tragic thing that happened in L.A. metal. On this

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vest is a bunch of my blood from when I

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climbed up on Marshall Stack at a Savage Grace show

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on the last song and dove off, full swan midair,

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crowd moved, teeth first into the floor. Yeah, not fun. But,

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My kids probably didn't believe when I said it the

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way I did.

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Yeah.

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So, I was really, well, I had the proof because

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I had, I had really been good friends with Savage Grace,

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but I disappeared from the scene after that, went to

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college and stuff, and they went away. And then a

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couple years ago, I get this email, like, hey, do

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you want to interview this band? They have a new

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album out, first time in like 25 years, Savage Grace.

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I'm like, yeah. And then when Chris, the lead singer,

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the head of the band, he gets on, he's like,

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oh my God. And he did this in the interview.

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It's you.

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He goes, I was wondering what happened to you. I

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felt so bad. You're like the most tragic thing that

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ever happened to LA metal. So I played that interview

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for my kids.

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That's awesome.

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It's kind of, that's, it's crazy looking because like all

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this stuff was like on your the mix of stuff

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on here was like what I was like obsessed with

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as a teenager too at least like for my like

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80s taste and stuff you know because I heard all

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this stuff on like skate videos but like just the

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mix of like having like GBH and Venom and Slayer

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and Possessed you know is like cool because it's uh

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all like the early blend of like hardcore and metal,

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you know?

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Exactly. You know, and I'm glad that we're a day

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today that brings us back where we can all be

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in the same place.

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Yeah.

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This is, this is like, you got to know ball

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to know this stuff on here.

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No, it's great. I love that. I love that.

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Uh, I love, honestly, it's like being like, yeah, I

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love being like a hardcore kid and like also into

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metal and into punk and like all the associated alt stuff.

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genres it's cool that people are less uh less uh

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uh divided about.

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It divided gatekeepers it was stupid all that's all those

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words because we were such a small crowd back then

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both of us and the jocks always bullied and beat

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the shit out of us why didn't we join forces

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i remember i used to I wanted to really bad

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go get spikes at Posers on Melrose because that was

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the place to get your.

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Shout out Posers.

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That's a cool place to go. That's the place to go.

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And back then, I was a long hair. I couldn't

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go in there. So I grabbed a couple of my

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punk friends who were friends with the owners. And I'm like,

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you got to bring me to Posers. We go there.

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And we're there for like 10 seconds.

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They kicked you out, huh?

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My friend comes to me. He goes, we need to leave.

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And I'm like, why? We need to leave now. So

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we go outside and he goes, yeah, they did us

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a courtesy because we're friends with them. They pulled us aside.

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They said, get the fucking long hair out of here

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or we will fucking beat the shit out of them.

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Yeah, it was serious, man.

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It was the punk versus metal thing was serious.

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Yeah, the original Suicidal shows before they crossed over, they

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had switchblades. The Sui boys had switchblades in the pit,

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you know, because... They were originally just a Venice gang

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that played music, you know? So, like, you really did

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take your life in your hand going into a mosh

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pit as Suicidal Show was if you were a long hair.

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Yeah, it's funny how that is just not really a

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thing anymore.

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No, it isn't.

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Well, like, all the big.

443
00:19:58.339 --> 00:20:00.960
I mean, ever since this, like, your jacket, like, literally

444
00:20:01.039 --> 00:20:08.279
all the biggest metal has some inkling of a mixture of, like, hardcore...

445
00:20:08.559 --> 00:20:11.640
And the family tree is so mixed together.

446
00:20:13.559 --> 00:20:16.299
You can't really separate them too much anymore.

447
00:20:16.319 --> 00:20:17.470
That's what I was going to say.

448
00:20:17.480 --> 00:20:19.920
It really just depends what culture you come from more

449
00:20:19.960 --> 00:20:23.589
than what you sound like. Because for hardcore, everything from

450
00:20:23.890 --> 00:20:27.269
Knock Loose to... If you listen to a band like

451
00:20:27.309 --> 00:20:28.950
Knock Loose and then you listen to a band like

452
00:20:28.970 --> 00:20:31.109
Haywire or something like that, those bands do not sound

453
00:20:31.150 --> 00:20:32.130
like the same genre.

454
00:20:32.430 --> 00:20:35.650
But it's the culture. It's from the same culture.

455
00:20:35.690 --> 00:20:36.410
But I love that.

456
00:20:37.380 --> 00:20:40.220
All types of music, I think. Maybe with the internet.

457
00:20:40.940 --> 00:20:43.700
And because we all do like different types of music.

458
00:20:43.740 --> 00:20:46.980
We don't like one type. So why are we acting

459
00:20:47.049 --> 00:20:47.480
like that?

460
00:20:47.720 --> 00:20:49.990
Yeah, it's people who just like one type of music

461
00:20:50.049 --> 00:20:51.950
I find are weird. I think it's weird. It's like

462
00:20:51.990 --> 00:20:53.390
only liking one type of food or something.

463
00:20:53.609 --> 00:20:54.230
Exactly.

464
00:20:54.250 --> 00:20:56.990
It's kind of like your ears have like a weird,

465
00:20:57.849 --> 00:20:59.690
you know, there's something wrong with your ears.

466
00:20:59.710 --> 00:21:00.630
I know, right?

467
00:21:00.890 --> 00:21:02.890
Like I even as a teenager, I would go to

468
00:21:02.930 --> 00:21:05.589
a Slayer show on a Friday night and go to

469
00:21:05.630 --> 00:21:08.230
a Dead show on a Saturday. You know?

470
00:21:08.789 --> 00:21:10.970
Which now it sounds like that would be very normal,

471
00:21:11.009 --> 00:21:12.930
but I guess back then it really was not.

472
00:21:13.130 --> 00:21:15.690
No, it wasn't. Either you're a hippie or you're a metalhead.

473
00:21:15.730 --> 00:21:19.059
You aren't both. Either you're a hippie or a punk,

474
00:21:19.319 --> 00:21:23.839
but you were a closet punk. But like Slayer, Hanneman

475
00:21:23.859 --> 00:21:26.980
was a punk. Lombardo was a punk. Tom didn't even

476
00:21:27.000 --> 00:21:30.930
know what heavy metal was. And Hanneman... Hannahman was a punk,

477
00:21:30.990 --> 00:21:35.130
and Kerry King was the only true metalhead in Slayer. Yeah, really.

478
00:21:35.210 --> 00:21:40.009
And, I mean, Rick Rubin, who, you know, made their,

479
00:21:40.549 --> 00:21:45.150
obviously the Game Changing album, was a punk, you know.

480
00:21:45.170 --> 00:21:45.519
Right.

481
00:21:45.559 --> 00:21:47.099
I'm reading his book right now. Oh, really?

482
00:21:47.160 --> 00:21:48.920
The best book ever. I'm like halfway through. I'm loving it.

483
00:21:50.240 --> 00:21:53.680
That's actually been, like, one of my favorite, or a

484
00:21:53.960 --> 00:21:57.079
thing I love about, like, working with Shavo is getting

485
00:21:57.119 --> 00:21:59.720
to hear the, Obviously, as a producer, you know, like,

486
00:21:59.759 --> 00:22:05.910
who tries to specialize in, like, multi-genre production, you know, like,

487
00:22:06.049 --> 00:22:09.710
jumping lanes from rap, all metal, hardcore, all that stuff.

488
00:22:10.829 --> 00:22:13.130
Rick Rubin's, like, the god of that, so it's pretty

489
00:22:13.170 --> 00:22:15.130
cool to hear, like, inside baseball.

490
00:22:15.829 --> 00:22:16.390
That's cool.

491
00:22:16.829 --> 00:22:18.630
But it's cool, too, like we were saying, though, with the...

492
00:22:19.210 --> 00:22:20.890
like hardcore metal and all that stuff being more of

493
00:22:20.910 --> 00:22:23.150
a few. I mean, Turnstile won a metal Grammy last year,

494
00:22:23.210 --> 00:22:24.390
you know, and that is.

495
00:22:24.349 --> 00:22:25.049
A hardcore band.

496
00:22:25.069 --> 00:22:26.549
You mean it wasn't Jethro Tull?

497
00:22:27.069 --> 00:22:27.329
Right.

498
00:22:28.690 --> 00:22:33.430
Some people act like it's on par with that, you know,

499
00:22:33.490 --> 00:22:36.160
being a thing, but I think it's just not 1980.

500
00:22:36.160 --> 00:22:38.440
The only time that.

501
00:22:38.339 --> 00:22:42.769
Metal and punk or metal and hardcore were Two Separate

502
00:22:42.789 --> 00:22:45.230
Worlds was the first iteration of punk bands.

503
00:22:45.390 --> 00:22:45.549
Yeah.

504
00:22:45.609 --> 00:22:48.009
Like, as soon as the second wave of New York bands,

505
00:22:48.029 --> 00:22:50.509
like Agnostic Front and Cro-Mags and all that stuff was,

506
00:22:50.589 --> 00:22:52.710
it was, like, all those bands were metallic.

507
00:22:53.150 --> 00:22:55.859
Yeah. You know, it's interesting, though. There's still some of

508
00:22:55.900 --> 00:22:58.779
those holdouts. Like, I dated this chick. She's a singer

509
00:22:58.819 --> 00:23:02.680
of a hardcore punk band. And we're not dating anymore

510
00:23:02.700 --> 00:23:05.720
because she still had that attitude towards metalheads. I'm like,

511
00:23:05.779 --> 00:23:06.460
what the fuck?

512
00:23:06.980 --> 00:23:07.920
Yeah, like, it's not 1979 anymore.

513
00:23:10.079 --> 00:23:11.740
Like, seriously, you know?

514
00:23:12.180 --> 00:23:17.049
Yeah, I remember being, like, I'm in, like, the Grammy

515
00:23:17.309 --> 00:23:18.960
committee thing, you know, I, like, get a vote on

516
00:23:18.980 --> 00:23:23.809
the Grammys and get a pick. The group of bands

517
00:23:23.829 --> 00:23:27.529
that get to get voted on in the metal category

518
00:23:27.549 --> 00:23:29.009
is a handful of us, and Turnstile was a debate.

519
00:23:29.109 --> 00:23:30.910
That was, like, a debate I really had to, like,

520
00:23:31.849 --> 00:23:35.690
argue hard about, you know, about hardcore being a part

521
00:23:35.710 --> 00:23:39.630
of metal and, like, in the age we're in now, like,

522
00:23:40.589 --> 00:23:41.710
you just sound crazy.

523
00:23:41.730 --> 00:23:43.910
I think we were just saying we all love Black Sabbath.

524
00:23:45.230 --> 00:23:47.059
We all love Black Sabbath.

525
00:23:47.279 --> 00:23:48.559
I'm wearing Aussie socks.

526
00:23:49.539 --> 00:23:51.700
Yeah, I noticed that right off the bat. Those are

527
00:23:51.720 --> 00:23:53.180
the coolest fucking socks ever.

528
00:23:53.440 --> 00:23:55.059
Oh, thank you. I got them at Guitar Center.

529
00:23:55.680 --> 00:23:59.750
So you were also talking about Turnstile at the Grammys.

530
00:24:00.049 --> 00:24:00.829
Oh, right.

531
00:24:00.950 --> 00:24:04.789
Who is one of Turnstile's biggest fans? Hetfield.

532
00:24:05.420 --> 00:24:07.720
Yeah, you can literally see the video of him and

533
00:24:08.579 --> 00:24:11.569
Halford watching them on stage and singing TLC.

534
00:24:11.589 --> 00:24:15.009
That's the argument right there that they should be in

535
00:24:15.049 --> 00:24:16.289
the Grammys. Right there.

536
00:24:16.970 --> 00:24:19.250
Yeah, it's like they don't have a hardcore category. Hardcore

537
00:24:19.269 --> 00:24:21.289
is a part of metal. Since the 80s, it's been

538
00:24:21.329 --> 00:24:22.890
as much a part of metal as punk.

539
00:24:22.930 --> 00:24:23.750
Especially sonically.

540
00:24:30.539 --> 00:24:33.990
Like to me, agnostic front is the ultimate of metal

541
00:24:34.150 --> 00:24:34.569
and punk.

542
00:24:34.950 --> 00:24:35.589
Yeah, for sure.

543
00:24:36.319 --> 00:24:38.539
I think, yeah, I think them. Age of Quarrel, too,

544
00:24:38.579 --> 00:24:42.619
I think from Cro-Mags, too. I think New York, really. Obviously, Suicidal, too.

545
00:24:42.640 --> 00:24:43.500
Yeah.

546
00:24:43.640 --> 00:24:44.980
Like, those early Suicidal.

547
00:24:45.000 --> 00:24:45.339
D.R.I.

548
00:24:45.420 --> 00:24:47.160
Yeah, D.R.I. I mean, you can go down the list,

549
00:24:47.220 --> 00:24:48.039
all the crossover.

550
00:24:48.559 --> 00:24:53.180
But, I mean, metalcore is now and has been the

551
00:24:53.259 --> 00:25:00.579
biggest sub-genre of heavy music for over 20-plus years at

552
00:25:00.619 --> 00:25:01.000
this point.

553
00:25:01.059 --> 00:25:01.660
And the term.

554
00:25:02.920 --> 00:25:05.789
started after crossover you know like as far as bands

555
00:25:05.829 --> 00:25:09.470
like integrity and earth crisis and stuff and the fact

556
00:25:09.509 --> 00:25:12.750
that we now like metalcore bands are headlining this like

557
00:25:12.869 --> 00:25:16.190
every night like it's it's become its own parallel culture

558
00:25:16.250 --> 00:25:19.089
where a band like bad omens is called the metalcore

559
00:25:19.109 --> 00:25:21.369
band and so is a band like integrity or earth

560
00:25:21.390 --> 00:25:23.390
crisis and if you listen to both those bands they

561
00:25:23.430 --> 00:25:25.769
do not sound like the same thing they're not because

562
00:25:25.809 --> 00:25:29.180
it's not about the sound of the genre it's about

563
00:25:29.220 --> 00:25:32.740
the culture that it comes from the culture of the

564
00:25:32.799 --> 00:25:34.960
blend of metal and hardcore you know.

565
00:25:34.960 --> 00:25:38.000
Yeah totally i love how you know all this shit

566
00:25:38.880 --> 00:25:41.319
that's why it's good to be a producer and a

567
00:25:41.359 --> 00:25:44.900
musician yes you gotta know there it is so tell

568
00:25:44.960 --> 00:25:48.809
everybody well let's go to her and tell everybody about

569
00:25:48.910 --> 00:25:52.259
your music how they can reach out to you Anything

570
00:25:52.279 --> 00:25:55.240
you have upcoming and how they can buy your merch

571
00:25:55.259 --> 00:25:56.920
because they can't listen to my show unless they buy

572
00:25:56.960 --> 00:25:57.319
your merch.

573
00:25:57.440 --> 00:26:00.920
Okay, awesome. Yeah, I just dropped my debut album. It's

574
00:26:00.940 --> 00:26:01.720
called X's.

575
00:26:03.539 --> 00:26:06.200
And I'm working on a deluxe right now that I'm

576
00:26:06.220 --> 00:26:07.680
very excited about.

577
00:26:08.190 --> 00:26:08.990
Nice.

578
00:26:09.049 --> 00:26:12.690
Yeah, sorryxmusic.com. I shipped my own merch on there.

579
00:26:13.740 --> 00:26:16.440
And I'm I'm working on yeah finishing the deluxe and

580
00:26:16.460 --> 00:26:17.960
then I've got a lot of stuff lined up for

581
00:26:18.119 --> 00:26:20.940
early next year that I'm not quite able to say

582
00:26:21.160 --> 00:26:22.200
but I'm very very excited.

583
00:26:22.220 --> 00:26:24.019
It's definitely I would say.

584
00:26:23.779 --> 00:26:26.720
I'm learning a lot about my sound and it's the

585
00:26:26.759 --> 00:26:29.140
best music I've been making and I'm really really excited

586
00:26:29.160 --> 00:26:30.579
I think it is kind of that metal core, but

587
00:26:30.619 --> 00:26:34.269
it is so broad and I feel like What I'm

588
00:26:34.289 --> 00:26:35.829
working on is like you can't put it in one

589
00:26:35.869 --> 00:26:38.089
box But it's just me, you know.

590
00:26:38.440 --> 00:26:40.900
I love that. It shouldn't be in box metal or

591
00:26:40.990 --> 00:26:43.509
punk or hardcore or anything like that should never be

592
00:26:43.549 --> 00:26:47.289
in a fucking box period. Uh, and you gotta do you.

593
00:26:47.430 --> 00:26:51.730
And it's always been about experimentation right from the get go. Um,

594
00:26:52.410 --> 00:26:54.990
and is there anything else they should know? And they

595
00:26:55.029 --> 00:26:57.369
definitely need to follow your social so that they can

596
00:26:57.430 --> 00:27:00.390
find out the other announcements that you can't say now.

597
00:27:01.509 --> 00:27:01.849
Yeah.

598
00:27:02.250 --> 00:27:05.839
Um, well just thank you for having me. Um, Let's see.

599
00:27:06.420 --> 00:27:09.039
I'm from Phoenix, Arizona, so I've got some events coming up.

600
00:27:09.119 --> 00:27:11.579
I'm doing a Halloween party. I'm playing with I Set

601
00:27:11.599 --> 00:27:12.640
to Kill in December.

602
00:27:12.660 --> 00:27:15.880
Nice. Yeah, Sari X music on everything. Keep up with me.

603
00:27:15.920 --> 00:27:17.329
I've got a lot of stuff coming next year.

604
00:27:17.980 --> 00:27:20.630
Love it. Well, thank you for being here on the

605
00:27:20.670 --> 00:27:22.410
Adventures of Pipe Man. It was a great time. And

606
00:27:22.450 --> 00:27:25.349
now we'll switch back to Morgoth, and you tell us

607
00:27:25.690 --> 00:27:29.690
about the new music coming from 7 Hours After Violet. First,

608
00:27:29.970 --> 00:27:33.369
I just want to say that I've been, for the

609
00:27:33.410 --> 00:27:37.180
last two days... Talking about your band, but asking if

610
00:27:37.440 --> 00:27:41.759
anybody knew what the acronym would be. Oh, yeah. And

611
00:27:41.859 --> 00:27:42.980
nobody could figure it out.

612
00:27:43.680 --> 00:27:44.420
Shav?

613
00:27:45.160 --> 00:27:45.400
Right.

614
00:27:45.519 --> 00:27:47.109
Oh, it being Shav? That's funny.

615
00:27:47.160 --> 00:27:47.900
Yeah.

616
00:27:48.220 --> 00:27:49.609
I mean, we were just going to call it that

617
00:27:49.789 --> 00:27:51.970
at one point. That was an idea, but it became

618
00:27:52.369 --> 00:27:55.309
too much. We call Shavo that, so it was too

619
00:27:55.349 --> 00:27:58.609
much of a... like solo project thing even though i

620
00:27:58.930 --> 00:28:01.210
do love the term shav i almost prefer just to

621
00:28:01.230 --> 00:28:03.990
tell people my band name is shav because it's just

622
00:28:04.029 --> 00:28:07.039
easier it's a mouthful yeah it's a mouthful shav was

623
00:28:07.079 --> 00:28:09.039
an artsy guy you know system of a down is

624
00:28:09.059 --> 00:28:10.799
a weird band name too so like.

625
00:28:10.839 --> 00:28:14.480
Like how many people throughout the years say the instead

626
00:28:14.519 --> 00:28:17.279
of uh because it just flows out there system of

627
00:28:17.339 --> 00:28:20.740
the down sounds easier to say than you gotta like

628
00:28:20.819 --> 00:28:21.420
kind of.

629
00:28:21.799 --> 00:28:23.880
System of the down system of a down. Yeah.

630
00:28:23.920 --> 00:28:25.839
I mean, but I've heard a lot of people though

631
00:28:25.900 --> 00:28:27.289
say it, you know.

632
00:28:27.349 --> 00:28:31.809
It's just, yeah, it's just, he likes, he likes things

633
00:28:31.849 --> 00:28:34.809
that can be, uh, interpreted and like, you know, he's

634
00:28:34.849 --> 00:28:36.210
an art, he's an artistic.

635
00:28:35.829 --> 00:28:37.670
Guy in a lot of different ways.

636
00:28:37.750 --> 00:28:40.769
So, uh, he wanted a name that was creative, but

637
00:28:41.190 --> 00:28:44.900
originally it was going to be a solo project. So, uh,

638
00:28:45.630 --> 00:28:47.130
if we found a middle ground of like, Hey, let's

639
00:28:47.150 --> 00:28:48.569
just make the acronym shop.

640
00:28:48.650 --> 00:28:49.569
Cause that's a cool word.

641
00:28:49.589 --> 00:28:50.250
Nice.

642
00:28:50.569 --> 00:28:52.410
Uh, but yeah, sorry. New music.

643
00:28:52.630 --> 00:28:56.039
Uh, so yeah. So we have a new EP that

644
00:28:56.099 --> 00:28:56.640
is finished.

645
00:28:57.359 --> 00:28:58.299
Uh, it is done.

646
00:28:58.319 --> 00:29:03.779
Um, we are working on another one and right now

647
00:29:03.880 --> 00:29:07.359
we are, but, uh, just figuring out how we're putting

648
00:29:07.380 --> 00:29:11.349
it out. Um, so you will hear new music, new

649
00:29:11.380 --> 00:29:14.210
music in the near future from seven, uh, from shop

650
00:29:14.250 --> 00:29:14.690
seven hours.

651
00:29:14.990 --> 00:29:18.750
And, um, yeah, so it's going to be crazy.

652
00:29:18.769 --> 00:29:20.930
There's stuff on it that I think a lot of

653
00:29:20.970 --> 00:29:22.650
people are going to be really excited about, which I

654
00:29:22.670 --> 00:29:25.650
don't want to, I can't give away just yet, but, um, yeah,

655
00:29:25.690 --> 00:29:28.450
it's stuff that's like, for me, it was just an

656
00:29:28.829 --> 00:29:31.430
honor to, to work on. Like there's feature, there's feature

657
00:29:31.509 --> 00:29:34.710
on it. That's like, uh, I can't believe happened. And

658
00:29:34.750 --> 00:29:38.609
like my childhood self would die, you know, wow um

659
00:29:38.710 --> 00:29:40.630
so yeah we have that and then we have some

660
00:29:40.849 --> 00:29:43.950
also similar thing we have some tours and some things

661
00:29:44.150 --> 00:29:48.259
offers that are up for us that are insane which

662
00:29:48.319 --> 00:29:50.920
i can't divulge yet but yeah keep an eye out

663
00:29:50.940 --> 00:29:53.720
for that and then as far as like the my

664
00:29:53.759 --> 00:29:58.630
producing stuff goes um I have a song with Polyphia

665
00:29:59.130 --> 00:30:02.019
coming out on their album that's about to come out

666
00:30:02.079 --> 00:30:03.119
on the 23rd.

667
00:30:04.700 --> 00:30:06.220
I was able... I imagine by the time.

668
00:30:06.140 --> 00:30:08.700
This comes out, I can talk about this, but I

669
00:30:08.720 --> 00:30:13.019
got Kanye West's Sunday Service gospel choir on it, which

670
00:30:13.220 --> 00:30:16.819
is absolutely insane because it's like the best gospel choir

671
00:30:16.839 --> 00:30:20.559
you could imagine on a Polyphia song, which is just

672
00:30:20.640 --> 00:30:21.319
maybe the most.

673
00:30:22.859 --> 00:30:25.420
musically like elite thing.

674
00:30:25.519 --> 00:30:27.299
I feel like I've worked on with like just the,

675
00:30:27.559 --> 00:30:29.480
how insanely musical it is.

676
00:30:29.500 --> 00:30:30.809
I'm very proud of it.

677
00:30:31.240 --> 00:30:34.230
Um, and then yeah, new songs with holy on the

678
00:30:34.289 --> 00:30:35.410
next holy water record.

679
00:30:35.430 --> 00:30:37.289
I have just a bunch of singles all over the place.

680
00:30:37.349 --> 00:30:39.579
Honestly, it's kind of hard to even, I have a,

681
00:30:39.569 --> 00:30:42.269
I have a, I have a band too called Goliath.

682
00:30:42.490 --> 00:30:45.299
That was my OG hardcore band that we haven't released

683
00:30:45.339 --> 00:30:48.200
anything in like 10 years, but it's like the first

684
00:30:48.220 --> 00:30:50.140
thing I ever made that anyone ever really gave a

685
00:30:50.160 --> 00:30:53.339
shit about. It was my band before Winds of Plague.

686
00:30:54.079 --> 00:30:56.180
And a similar thing where it's like a mix of

687
00:30:56.220 --> 00:30:58.519
metal and hardcore. Our shows were known for being some

688
00:30:58.539 --> 00:31:01.529
of the most violent, crazy shows in a while.

689
00:31:01.720 --> 00:31:03.269
And yeah, we're.

690
00:31:03.150 --> 00:31:05.869
All still homies. So yeah, I'm excited to release the

691
00:31:05.910 --> 00:31:09.069
new Goliath album. Our first single comes out October 30th.

692
00:31:09.130 --> 00:31:14.210
Nice. And it's just... Super dark, gross, heavy.

693
00:31:14.430 --> 00:31:15.529
Just in time for Halloween.

694
00:31:15.609 --> 00:31:18.990
Yeah, that's why. A little bit of industrial, a little beatdown,

695
00:31:19.009 --> 00:31:19.799
a little deathcore.

696
00:31:19.819 --> 00:31:22.440
See, I love that because I love all that shit.

697
00:31:22.519 --> 00:31:24.000
And to put it all in one thing.

698
00:31:24.019 --> 00:31:24.819
Yeah, exactly.

699
00:31:24.839 --> 00:31:25.440
It's amazing.

700
00:31:25.640 --> 00:31:29.220
Since the Myspace deathcore revival thing has been going so hard,

701
00:31:29.259 --> 00:31:33.299
we've just been getting so bombarded with offers and requests

702
00:31:33.319 --> 00:31:34.180
to do stuff.

703
00:31:34.220 --> 00:31:36.440
And we're all friends. And I just wanted....

704
00:31:37.259 --> 00:31:38.720
I get to work with a lot of awesome heavy

705
00:31:38.759 --> 00:31:42.819
bands all the time, and, you know, but it's nice

706
00:31:42.839 --> 00:31:44.640
to have a project that I can just kind of

707
00:31:44.700 --> 00:31:50.029
channel my, like, I can just make the grossest, heaviest music.

708
00:31:49.809 --> 00:31:50.509
I want, you know?

709
00:31:50.950 --> 00:31:51.769
And you can be you.

710
00:31:52.109 --> 00:31:56.109
Yeah, exactly, and it's, like, very much like me, you know? Me,

711
00:31:56.210 --> 00:31:59.400
and obviously, like, my band members help contribute, too, but

712
00:32:00.500 --> 00:32:02.799
yeah it's kind of my project I get a lead

713
00:32:02.819 --> 00:32:04.200
and it's the first thing I ever did that people

714
00:32:04.240 --> 00:32:05.759
gave a shit about so it's cool to bring it

715
00:32:05.799 --> 00:32:08.200
back and people to be real excited about that I

716
00:32:08.240 --> 00:32:12.250
love it and yeah I'm sure I'm missing a single

717
00:32:12.289 --> 00:32:14.509
or two that's coming out but you know follow me

718
00:32:14.549 --> 00:32:16.170
on Morgoth Beats and you can see.

719
00:32:16.950 --> 00:32:19.930
Alright well you guys rock thank you this was a

720
00:32:19.950 --> 00:32:23.250
great double header and thanks for being on the Adventures

721
00:32:23.269 --> 00:32:23.750
of Pipe Man.

722
00:32:23.670 --> 00:32:26.029
Shout out Kami Keo for introducing us at.

723
00:32:25.990 --> 00:32:31.910
Her house nice she's cool as shit too Oh, my God. Like,

724
00:32:31.970 --> 00:32:34.869
I've interviewed her a couple times, including at Lower In Life. Like,

725
00:32:34.950 --> 00:32:36.170
one of the coolest people.

726
00:32:36.630 --> 00:32:37.869
Oh, that's another. I have a Cammy K.O.

727
00:32:37.890 --> 00:32:38.109
Song.

728
00:32:38.150 --> 00:32:39.769
That's another one. There you go. That's another one.

729
00:32:39.880 --> 00:32:41.319
You can't forget that.

730
00:32:41.339 --> 00:32:42.980
Can't forget Cammy K.O. Yeah, she's my neighbor.

731
00:32:44.180 --> 00:32:44.480
Nice.

732
00:32:44.500 --> 00:32:46.599
So you wouldn't live that down, then, if you forgot that.

733
00:32:46.720 --> 00:32:48.640
Yeah, I can't. Yeah, I have to mention that.

734
00:32:49.579 --> 00:32:50.000
All right, man.

735
00:32:50.019 --> 00:32:51.240
All right, thank you so much, bro.

736
00:32:51.420 --> 00:32:58.309
Thank you. Thank you for listening to The Adventures of Pikeman.

737
00:32:59.069 --> 00:33:00.039
On W4CY Radio.