From Samhain to Anthrax: London May’s Wild Ride Through Music and Film

0:19 This is the Pipe Man here on the Adventurous Pipe Man W4CY radio. And this is my first interview back from Aftershock Festival. Of course, I have the festival dust crap going on. No sleep. But here I am because this artist is a badass. And when I was asked to do this interview, I'm like, sure, I'll do it right when I get off the plane. So here we have London May. How are you? Nice to meet you, Pipe Man. I appreciate you making the effort. I know what it's like to go to a festival and get off the plane. And the only thing I want to do is a face plant. Right. Um, the fact that you're up and breathing and, you know, you, uh, you survived, um, is a testament to your, to your rock and roll, uh, life. And, um, we're just gonna, I don't know, maybe something really different will come out of it that you're half dead.

1:23 And I wouldn't exactly say that I'm breathing right now, but. Okay. I don't see your gills moving. I know, right? I'm mouth breathing right now because I can't breathe through my nose from the festival dust. It was my last one on my tour since March. I've been at one pretty much every weekend since March. Here we are. I'm super excited because I don't know, you're like one of the busiest musicians in the industry, like doing all kinds of cool stuff. So that blows my mind and mad respect to you because it's hard to do one thing, much less juggle a whole bunch.

2:15 Well, it kind of seems like that, but Pipe Man, it all kind of hits it once. There's like a year of work under the radar. And I. Don't talk about that until things are actually out there so people may think that I'm dormant and then all this stuff happens at the same time but it just happens to get released at the same time but it is stuff that I have steadily been been working on for the last year and I do like to stay busy. No, like, like I can't, I can't deny that is if people think I'm busy, it's a lifestyle that I can't change. Uh, it's just the way that I am is.

3:05 Yeah. Yeah. We're all having a full calendar. Having a full calendar is, Oh, having nothing to do is like idle hands or the devil's play things. Right? Yeah. It, It takes a special soul in this industry too. Cause like we were talking about the festivals and sometimes I'll bring my youngest daughter halfway through the first day. She's like, dad, I don't know how you do this every weekend. I'm done already. And I'm like, I don't know how I could it. Like I come home and I'm like, I don't know what to do. Like, can you book me something else? Cause I need to get out of here. You know, I understand both. And sometimes, I don't know, sometimes I envy people who have a limited tolerance to stuff where I can't quite turn that off.

3:57 Right. Of course I'm going to stay up. Of course I'm going to go out. Of course I'm going to do all those things. I don't have a choice. And other people are like more tempered where they go, nah, I'm just going to go home. Right. Is that a choice? What's that like? I know, right? It's funny, too. Even sometimes at the festivals, people I work with, other media people, they'll leave halfway through the day on one of the days, and I'm like, wait, you're missing the good part. I've been working all day. I want to go out and see sets now. It's usually, I'll have 20 sets I want to see, and I'll end up with one.

4:38 Well, I just, I think as I get older, I am slowly, inch by inch, moving into this, instead of FOMO, fear of missing out, I'm now trying to accept the lifestyle of JOMO, which is the joy of missing out. Wow. I don't know that feeling yet. I'm still serious FOMO. I'm trying to embrace it, and it may knock the edge off my FOMO, just to make it a little more healthy. Um, because I go until the wheels fall off and I don't mean partying. I mean, just like physically, I will just wear myself down to a nub and then be kind of useless for a while. I don't, I don't, I'm going to work more on balancing energy and life. Um, and to, to ration things out a little more normally because otherwise I'm, I get hurt a lot when I'm working on projects. I'm impatient. All the things that are kind of a setup for a fucking heart attack. I don't want that. I want to live long and gentle.

6:04 What's kind of cool is that what I get out of that is you're a true musician that absolutely loves music. music and every part of it. Yeah, I do. Uh, uh, uh, except the parts like the business parts, but every part of the creative process. Yeah, I do. I do. I, um, I, I don't know what else I would do. I mean, I, I could fart around with other things, but I think, uh, I mean, I took a year off of drumming, um, And did not, this was just recently, I just started playing again, but that year off was the desire just kind of left. It just, and I was like, well, if it comes back, great. If it doesn't come back, that's okay too. And I didn't want to force it.

7:04 I didn't want to be, make it drudgery or a job or just some sort of, um, routine because then it does kind of take the, the excitement out of it or the joy or the discovery. So I just put it down. I just put it down. I just, you know, good for you. And then I, and then I woke up one day, I swear to God, I woke up one day and it was like, your fucking drums are missing you. You've got to go visit the drums. What the, you know, like they're, they're probably worried about you. Well, See, that is kind of cool, though, but that's your body telling you at some point, or your mind telling you, it's time to take a break. Jump off the hamster wheel.

7:49 That is absolutely true, and I am trying to listen more from the neck down, because this and that are on very different hamster wheels. Yeah. And what I have had some stress-related physical stuff from the neck down that my doctors are like, yeah, have you ever heard the body keeps the score? Whatever you think you can handle mentally, your body might not agree with that. And if you just keep pushing this, your engine, my engine check light came on. I had a heart problem that came out of nowhere. And... the doctors were like you uh probably this is like just built up of years and years and they call me high performance high anxiety i was like well i like the first part of that right the anxiety is has taken a toll on my body.

8:55 And i think nowadays it's taking a toll on a lot of people's bodies because with things the way they are now like i mean you don't have any downtime you know there's. No downtime I don't know what to do with it it feels like I'm not I get stressed when I have nothing to do and then when I see a calendar full of stuff that stresses me out too I'm just a walking contradiction. But You're still making great creativity in all aspects. You know, like even, you know, it's funny, you were talking before about doing stuff, but then it's all getting released at the same time. So, like, first of all, you played drums with alt-country legend Bonnie, Prince Billy, and that live came out last month. Like, so that's pretty cool. And I want to, on that one, so how did that come about? Because that's definitely a different path for you.

10:13 Although I saw you said something about it may not be metal, but it is heavy. Yeah. Yeah. I was watching some of that and I'm like, it is pretty heavy. You know, it's like, it's got, I don't know. It's almost like it would be all country with the kind of punk attitude, horror attitude mixed into it. Well, I am there. There is a more than a thread. There is like a real thick rope. that connects Sam Hain and Glenn Danzig and Will Oldham and Bonnie Prince Billy.

10:56 Will has been a friend of mine since 1986 when I met him on a Sam Hain tour. He was 14 and he had a camera and he and his friends followed us around for a couple shows and we've been friends ever since. Nice. And so he's always. Had a affinity for punk rock and dancing related stuff. And when he started to play music, I was really happily surprised that he followed the Louisville in him, the Kentucky, the bluegrass, the acoustic, the gentle, the sensitive, quiet side of his personality because he is a he's a very chill guy um but there is still that underlying um melancholia or um themes of mortality and revenge and all that kind of stuff going on so there is that in the uh in his writing and he uh He wrote a song for a horror film that I made, Fit Right In, even though it was acoustic and very delicate and very gentle is a word that I would use.

12:30 But the lyrics were very chilling. It was a song called You May Want to Stay. And then two years later, he decided to rerecord that song and rename it to London May and the record company wanted to do release it as a single for his new record and he asked me if I wanted to make a video with him so we made a video for London May and then he asked me if I would come and join his band for two shows in LA where we played the song London May and I Pipe Man, I didn't hear anything for a year. I didn't hear anything for a year. And I knew that they were recording. I knew that they filmed it as well. And I just, it was an exercise, which is really healthy for me, is to let stuff go. Is to just go, I was there. I think I did a good job as best as I could. I prepared. Hopefully, everyone was happy with it. And it wasn't just lip service of great job, great job, loved it, blah, blah, blah. Hopefully it was real.

13:47 But playing that far out of my lane was scary for me. I didn't have a wall of sound and a bunch of distortion to conceal anything. It was so vulnerable. It was being completely naked. And playing at tempos and with a feel that were. I had a lot of work to do to prepare for that show. And then when I got to the show, we ran through a couple songs and that was it. And then it was showtime. And even.

14:30 So the stuff I prepared when I got to soundcheck, they changed everything. And then. I locked in to the soundtrack. And then it was different when we played live. So it kept me on my toes. It was just firing all these things that I hadn't felt in a while, because usually I'm on a very short drumming leash. I've got in-ears. I've got tracks to play along to. I've got a click track. I am very, very regimented, which I enjoy too. I like having to be perfect. I'm not perfect, but I like having that, that, uh, that goal. Um, and playing with Bonnie Prince, Billy, all of that stuff was gone.

15:17 No click track, no in ears. Um, nothing that I could rely on except my ears and watching and playing with an eight piece band who were like seasoned cats. You know? And I'm sure they're like, Oh God, here comes that heavy metal guy. What the fuck is he going to do? Oh, this is not a good mix. And I thought I had fucked the gig up. I didn't hear from them, you know, and I just figured, well, you tried, you tried, but maybe it's not, maybe it didn't work out. And then all of a sudden they said, hey, there's a live record coming out from that show. And I, man, I fell out of my chair. And then I heard it and it just, I can't believe it's me. I can't believe it's me.

16:15 That must be so exhilarating too, though. Like after all these years doing something new outside the box, having that same nervous feeling you had when you were a kid, just starting out. For sure. And I don't, part of my personality also doesn't allow me to appreciate things very long. I can, I can dwell on negative stuff eternally, but something good. And I'm trying to hold, I think these, these interviews are good because it, it, I have to talk about the things that I'm proud of, but on a normal day, they're already gone. I've moved on.

17:03 Yeah. Um, you, you're, you're so right. Thank you. It is a huge deal. And if we weren't talking about it, I wouldn't think about it. It's just not the healthiest way to work and to look at your accomplishments. Well, and two, music artists, they're their own worst critics. So, of course, you thought you screwed up. I totally was like, oh. I'm so sorry. Um, but, and they were probably thinking, Oh my God, that was bad ass. You know, like that's kind of how it works. I, I.

17:49 Uh, apparently, right. Something that, uh, that they liked about it. Um, it's just really nice. I said, I, I don't, there are the, the stuff that I've done this year in film and videos and in music, uh, I don't recognize my signature sound or my signature performance in it, and it's the best thing ever. I love that. I just go, that's some guy playing with the band. Because it's nice to have a little bit of a buffer instead of just criticizing it, which is my default.

18:32 Yeah, totally. And then you go and do an Anthrax song, too. Yeah. So it's like the best of both worlds, in my opinion. Yeah, and that was such a leap across the pond and to do something very physical and very balls out and as hard as I could possibly go. These opportunities are, I don't take them for granted. And I love the fact that shit is all over the place. Yeah. I mean, to me, when I'm looking at all the stuff you're doing, I'm like, oh, how am I going to fit all this in a short interview? Because it's so much.

19:22 Well, I like just talking shit, too. So I don't have to talk about any of it. Because you have a really nice vibe. And so who cares? Right. Talking shit is the fucking best. That's the best part of interviews. The way I look at it is if I were an artist, I wouldn't want to talk about all the boring shit. I would want to talk about I would want to talk shit or talk about things that are important to me. Or like it is a funny thing because, you know, former member of Anthrax, Dan Spitz, is a great friend of mine. And he used to say to me, he goes, I wish they would have asked me what skin conditioner I used on tour because I was so sick of every other question.

20:11 You know? Yeah, I can't imagine being in Dan Spitz sort of status. I'm so lucky this round that there has been enough kind of interesting stuff that the questions have been really, um, introspective. Like I, it, it does not get old for me because when people talk about stuff that I've done, I don't, I don't, I don't know who they're talking about. It's very, very kind of out of body experience. Um, cause I love talking about what other people have done. Like the stuff that influences me is on the tip of my tongue, not, not my own stuff. So I've been really, it's been really great because I don't do this kind of stuff very often.

21:11 And getting back into it, it lets me, it reminds me of how many cool people are out there who are interesting and who are interested and finding connections with people has been remarkable. So We can talk about skin conditioner. My lack of skin cream. I don't use any. I don't use any. I don't, you know, but I just find that stuff fascinating, you know. I mean, the reason that I think I have any sort of career is because I'm interested in other people. I'm interested in their lives and the way that they Because what you see of me in the Anthrax video is not me.

22:12 It's something that I can sort of absorb from somebody else. Yeah. See, but that keeps it interesting, right? Because you're not doing the same thing over and over. That would get old. I wouldn't say no to it. Because I've never... Fuck. I've never had the chance to do anything over and over again. Because I always fucking burn the bridge. I would love to say I did this for 10 years. I wish I could have that sort of patience. I'm kind of forced to do all these different things. Because I can't seem... to last in one thing very long.

23:02 Well, probably because it is boring after a while. Lose your shit. You know, I, I just, I, I get, um, yeah, I don't get it. I, I work hard for the things that I achieve and then I get them and I'm like, yeah, this kind of sucks. Well, you'll be kind of like William Shatner. Like, did you hear what he did? Dude, I am so down with William Shatner and the fuckers. You have no idea how... I was so bummed when I got that news because normally I cover Riot Fest every year and they moved Louder Than Life to the same weekend as Riot Fest. And so I'm like, okay, I got to do Louder Than Life because I'm partnered with DWP and these festivals. So I'm like, I have to do it. And then I saw the news and I'm like, Oh, fuck me.

23:59 If there was one band to see this year, it was William Shatner. No doubt. No doubt. Like, oh my God. I'm like, what the F is heavy metal? That brought me... And you know what he said? It's complaining, only louder. Oh, I love that. That is great. He's so brilliant. He's just got the best attitude. He doesn't take himself seriously. I really... For you to bring that up, he has just been a little bit of a North Star or a Star Trek. I mean, because of his humor and because it is just like say yes and do crazy stuff, like I could only be so lucky.

24:47 It was even funny. I saw videos. Did you see the video? Crazy Train. I know. Off the rails. I was interviewing one of the bands at Aftershock and like he was talking about the rest of the night the whole interview was about William Shatner and I did an impression on a thing like I think he did he did cover of Metallica and. I'm like let me hear it come on. Take us to never never land and then Oh, oh!

25:27 Did you hear? The best clip I saw was Ace of Spades. That one I didn't see. I got to see that. Oh, Pipe Man. It will light your fire for days. It's just adorable. That's how I think of it. And the band was so good, too. The fuckers are so good. But it's so funny, him coming in and like, What I did, the band I was interviewing that I'm talking about was Drowning Pool. So I did, like, he didn't do this song, but I was like, let the bodies hit the floor.

26:09 But that's the way I like it, baby. I don't want to live forever. Right. You know, and it was just, and he's fucking doing it. Like, I'm not, we're not, like, exaggerating. He is doing Captain Kirk with the heavy metal band. It's so great because I love Captain Kirk. I mean, Star Trek got me through college. So to mix two of my favorite things in one thing, oh my God, it's so amazing. The whole time I was at Letter in Life, I was having serious FOMO. Yeah, no, believe me, I.

26:50 Have cart cart launch at riot fest. Cause I played there twice. And I was like, why didn't you fucking go? I just like, I just for William Shatner. And it was funny because you know, in all the, the advertisements, it's William Shatner and the Uckers. And then as soon as the day of the show, he's like, it's fuckers. Right. We're the fuckers. Did you see him on good morning America? No. Oh, so the, The promo, they were reading off all his stuff on his rider, you know, his demands, okay? How fucking funny! I mean, like, his riders, I don't know if he's doing it or whoever's working for him, this is fucking comedy.

27:35 Oh, totally. Like, you know, they're going off the demands, and they're kind of losing character, like, laughing, because, like. It's so outrageous. We got to rename a ship so I can captain a ship once again. And no golf cart. I need a DeLorean to go to the stage. But then they missed one. They missed one of them. And he goes, hey, don't forget about the sauerkraut in my dressing room. He is so sharp. He fucking knew it. He was like, I don't have just some team doing shit for me. Like, I know what you missed. Number six. Fucking sauerkraut.

28:19 I want my sauerkraut. There are people, places, and things that just put nitro in my gas tank. And they're fucking random. And people have to go chuckle. And I'm like, God, that was like a bomb went off in my inspiration and entertainment in a world that is... very easy to look at all the bad shit. Yeah. But for somebody to make an effort to lean out of it and go so extremely silly, that's where I'm going.

29:03 That's where I'm going. Good musicians for the, was that Alex Slotnick? Was that the guy from, uh. I think so, but definitely Josh. It was definitely Josh freeze playing drums. It wasn't Josh. It wasn't Josh. I kind of sworn it was Josh for you to explain. Josh is out with Danny Elfman. Oh, that's who it was. That's why I'm mixing it up because that's who played it louder than life. Yes. And that aftershock. Yeah. Check this out. I went to Westlake High first year. I went to four high schools. But first year I went to west lake high oingo boingo played in the gymnasium for an assembly when i was in ninth grade at west lake.

29:46 High wow where are you calling from are. You i'm in south florida now oh shit but what happened to me was i was born in new york grew up in jersey i'm a definite jersey boy But in 1980, my dad came up to me and he goes, meet your new mother and pack your bags. We're moving to California in three days and you can't tell a living soul. And I was like... Like witness protection? I love this. Yeah, I was fucking pissed, okay? I was 12 years old and I was pissed. But you and I wouldn't be speaking now and I was in that whole 80s scene. Actually... I was in the scene when I was a long hair that was a metalhead that also liked punk, but I couldn't go to punk shows or I got my ass beat. In fact, I went with a couple of my punk friends to Posers to get my spikes.

30:41 Yeah. And like I knew I couldn't go there by myself. And these guys knew the owners. And so I'm like, hey, can you take me there? Okay. Dude, they have an attitude. If you have a mohawk, they still have attitude. It's not just metal guys. Oh, fuck yeah, dude. Like, I kind of stopped going there. I was like, is everybody just an asshole in here? Right? So, yeah, I'm in there for like 30 seconds. And my bro comes over to me. He goes, we need to leave. And I'm like, why? He goes, just trust me. We need to leave now. So we go outside. And basically, the owners pulled them aside and said, hey, we're doing you a favor because you're friends of ours.

31:26 get the fucking long hair out of the store. We're going to beat the piss out of them. Well, it didn't, uh, it, it was never that extreme for me, but I really was caught off guard at how judgmental they were. Um, it was like, wait, cause you, I never liked to pull the card of like, I'm, I've got some punk rock cred. Never. I, I hate, I don't want to be treated differently. And, I want to experience that person, how they are in the wild, not this weird artificial, uh, you know, phoniness. It's like, if you're a dick to me and you don't know, because you, because I'm a, because I'm a nobody, like, I don't want to be your friend. If you find out that I'm supposed to be special, like fuck that.

32:21 A hundred percent. A hundred percent. I agree. You know? And like, So, yeah, I entered that whole L.A. scene. Posers is tough. Posers was tough. No doubt. And I started L.A. seeing the first club show I ever went to in my life was Motley Crue before they had an album. They were more like horror punk then. They were glam. And they were trying to light the Roxy on fire to bring Satan in. And I'm like, I'm never going to a real concert ever again. And then Next thing I know, I'm walking with them after the gig up to the Rainbow to go hang out. I'm 13 with Lemmy and Ron Jeremy.

33:06 That's my dog. That's my dog, dude. I started when I was 13. Right? And I'm like, that's what got me. Then I was, like, hooked. Like, I was there all the time. I was at Slayer's first show ever, Metallica's first show ever. Did you have pictures of you at 13? Probably not. Get my... We didn't have proof. Get my email. And if you've got any pictures from the old days, I showed up on the Sunset Strip in 87. And I was, you know, kind of part of that scene for a couple of years. And I just love, love seeing, you know, people from that era.

33:49 Because what time, what years were you there from? From 80 to 86. So like right before you got there. I was there when. So you got Motley Crue and I got Guns N' Roses. I was there when the Go-Go's were still a couple of punk rockers that only did it because they wanted to get laid and get high. You know? Those pictures of Belinda Carlyle you know, in a germ shirt and, you know, just fuck it. They're all just like, and.

34:30 I have, what I do have is I still have, like I've slept at motel hell. Like, like I've literally been on the streets living at motel hell. I still have my denim vest from the eighties. I bring it to festivals and use it in interviews because I, I hand drew almost everything on there because there were a lot of patches then. Does it, is it, does it like stand up by itself? Cause it's just so. Probably so toxic. I actually, my grandson, he was wearing it for a while cause it never fit me. But like, I mean, and I do have the mix of the metal and punk on the vest, even though you couldn't do both. Like it is funny as now an adult, I've had the opportunity to interview all the bands I could never see in the 80s. And even most of them think it was stupid back then. Like, you know, Discharge, GBH, Exploited. Like, I could go to their shows, but I love those bands.

35:39 You know? And I was at the first crossover show ever, too. That was at the Sun Valley Sportsman's Lodge. It was COC, Preet Pepper on the punk side. when they were hardcore punk. It was the Descendants, and it was suicidal before they crossed over when they were just a gang that was brutal. Was DRI the crossover band? No, DRI wasn't. Oh, because they had a record called Crossover. Yeah, so they were one of the first ones to grow their hair out, you know, and say, hey, we can be long hairs and be punks, you fuckers. So, but... On the metal side, it was Possessed, Dark Angel, and Savage Grace. There was no security. This place was like an Elks Lodge. And I've had the opportunity to interview COC and say, you probably don't remember this gig, but for me it was the most epic. I say Sun Valley Sports, and they're like, it was an Elks Lodge, right?

36:42 That was our most epic show ever, because it was. There was no safe place to hide in this place. If you were somebody that wanted to watch the pit or watch anything going on, that wasn't happening. You're either in it or you're not there. That's amazing. That's amazing. But if it weren't for those times, we wouldn't have today. Now it amazes me more when I go to these festivals that have like 100,000 more people that are punks and metalheads when literally there was only a handful of us. That first Metallica show I went to, there were 25 people there, including me and four of my friends.

37:26 Oh, I... Being in a band at that time, we were the band playing for a handful of people. Right. And that was fine, you know? There was no expectation of having. Sellout crowd and a PA and any of that kind of stuff. It was just literally performance art. It was like doing street theater. It was just like, we like doing it and hopefully some people will come and it's funny to talk about Sam Hain. It's 40 years since November coming fire and we we headlined, um, Riot Fest.

38:15 Speaking of Riot Fest, we headlined Riot Fest and played for 20,000 people. Wow. In the old days, it was like 200 would be a crushing success. Absolutely. 200 people would be the height of our popularity. Uh, It blows your mind, too. It doesn't blow your mind when you see kids today, kids that are like my grandkids, not even like my kids, wearing a Sam Haynes shirt. I still can't believe it's real. Because I'm still a fan.

39:03 Any band that I played in, obviously, I fucking liked them. Right. So... I get a giggle, and it feels really nice, and it's just an unexpected bonus because we didn't know. I tell people that my biggest takeaway from all that is the relationship. That I've maintained, whereas the band has gone up and down and this and that and in print and out of print and streaming and not streaming and reunion or not, is that me and Steve and Glenn are just, if not daily, every fucking week we are talking.

39:49 And See, that's way cool to hear that because that's not always the case. I will tell you a really funny story. When I moved to Florida and the town my radio studios was in for like 20 years and that I lived, I go to the dentist one day and I'm wearing a Misfits shirt. And the dentist says he's about to drill me. He's like, you like the Misfits? I'm like, yeah. He goes, Glenn Danzig's my brother-in-law. No kidding. I don't even remember the dentist's name, but I just remember being in shock, like, are you fucking kidding me?

40:31 That is fucking cool. And I met Glenn's brother. He's got a brother named Spider. How fucking sick is that? That's a sick name. How sick is that? Yeah. Yeah, I. And I've also been thinking about. how a lot of our audience from 40 years ago, motherfucking CEOs, Fortune 500 people, like people in power. And they're like, Sam Hain. And I go, you must be pulling my leg. You're like, yeah, I saw you guys in Florida. I'm just knocked out. I think some of the circles that I've somehow infiltrated that are out of my realm is because it's a fan who went on...

41:29 Most of our fans were fucking really intelligent. I find that, by the way. It's just... Holy crap. And I get. You know, I mean, sometimes I do get a little VIP experience because... Some kid grew up to be a real power player and they're so excited to invite me to something. And I'm still knocked out, whether it's a kid or whether it's a government official, all types. So never take your audience for granted that they're a bunch of brainless knuckleheads.

42:15 Listen, you never know. First of all, when I left the whole music scene, because I got sick of the whole thing that was happening in L.A., and I was backstage for a lot of what the record labels were doing. I'm like, fuck this. I'm not selling my soul in this industry. I ended up in my early 20s. I was in the financial business. I was huge in the financial business. The Wolf of Wall Street was my competition. I knew him personally. So I traded in my leather jacket and denim vest for an RMI suit. But here's what I found. It was the same shenanigans in both things. It was just two different ways of dressing, you know?

42:57 But what I do find out now doing interviews is a lot of punk interviews I do, more so than the metal. Those dudes are so fucking smart. And the conversations we have on interviews are like such high intelligence conversations. And it doesn't even matter if you like have, if you have the same opinions or whatever, I'm just in awe of what they know, because you look at punk rock as an outsider, which I've never really been, but I think of it now. And you're thinking these are just dummies that, you know, can only play three chords that's that's the fucking generalization but like one of the most amazing experiences of my life wasn't an interview it was just and it was at aftershock it was backstage at aftershock having a 45 minute conversation with jello biafra and oh.

44:03 God 45 minutes is short for a conversation with jello you've. Right, I had to go. I had to go do an interview. You had to cut it off. Yeah, he was just getting warmed up. He was just getting warmed up. And there's not many moments that I have this feeling, but I was like, I'm talking to him like, I can't believe I'm sitting here talking to Joel Biafra. And just like... Because it wasn't an interview, so it's different. An interview, I don't think that way. But I'm just sitting there having this fucking deep-ass conversation with them. What I found that I tell people, too, is like you were saying before, most of these musicians, the ones that I really redeem as the rock stars, they have no clue they're rock stars. They're just normal people, and they just want to be treated normally. It's like, just sit and talk to them. You know, don't be like, oh my God, you know, cause they're no different than you are.

45:12 Yeah. The same problems. I mean, is it weird? Pipe man, tell me, is it weird when I find out that somebody that I think is super successful has depression and I feel, oh, I'm so glad that they have depression. not because I want them to suffer, but because I go, they're just like me. Yeah. I don't want to like, I don't think that's weird. I'm not making fun of them. But when somebody said, yeah, I had a, I had a little issue. I just go be too, you know, like, I think it's, it's cool.

45:53 I'm not, um, that's what you find out in all these conversations. We're all the same. They're all the same. They're all the same. They got the same. It's, It's nice to not feel that you're isolated because of your career situation. Yeah. Like if I got money problems at this level, guess what? They're not going away at that level. They're not. They're just bigger problems. They're just bigger problems. That's what I've found out in my life. You've got relationship problems. You're going to have relationship. Wherever you go, there you are. Exactly. 100%. I have one last thing I want to go over with you because you have another interview probably to go to in a couple minutes.

46:38 I do. I do. What a joy, man. I have to get rid of you. But I do, and thank you for that. But I do want to talk about the fact that you are back to scare us on the big screen with The Glorious Dead. So tell everybody a little bit about that so that we can get you out of here. All right. Thank you. The Glorious Dead. is a film that I have a small role in that I'm lucky to have a line with these particular filmmakers because they're very insular, very private. They don't really let in people outside of their small little world into their private DIY filmmaking thing that they've created. They make 10 movies all as outliers and their movies seem to just build up and build up, uh, success wise. And the glorious dead is their, their new one. It's made by a family called the Adams family. Uh, not the, that Adams family, a different Adams family. And they are so inspirational and I'm so, um, uh, so grateful that they allowed me into their world. Um, the glorious dead is a, uh, a zombie creature feature. It's about the end of the world as it happens in one day in a small, isolated,

48:10 snowed-in town in the middle of nowhere. And it's a sheriff going about her day as the world is collapsing inwards. And there's creatures and there's sinkholes and all sorts of... But also, there's a lot of personal stuff going on because the end of the world... brings out different things in different people. Some people think it's a great opportunity for a power grab. No doubt. Like there are, there are people who are having like, Hey, maybe this isn't bad. Maybe, um, I'll get away with more stuff. So it's a really interesting take on an apocalypse movie. It was, yeah, it was just, uh, it was just bought by shutter. It'll be out next year along with hopefully a theatrical release, uh, It is playing.

49:03 The New York premiere is in 10 days. I'm going to New York for the for the New York premiere. I can't wait. And I can't wait for everybody to see it. And I said, it's just a so many things are just like so random. You know, but I know, right? Like be nice to people, man. There it is. It'll pay off. I don't, I don't, my work, it speaks for itself, but my relationships seem to create more than my resume. I think it's key. And you're right. And so everybody has to check out Everything About You on LondonMay.com. And they got to make sure to go out and get Ghosts of American Psychonauts. I love that. I love what it's called. And check out the video for Anthrax's new song where you're in it, Curse Him, Perficio. I was like, oh, my God, don't fuck that up.

50:05 I know. Like. It's a tongue twister. It's Latin. It's Latin. They, they, uh, yeah. And then, uh, you know, check out everything. And of course, gotta, gotta check out the movie. And, uh, you know, you fricking rock. I'm glad you were here. I'm glad you're still around doing stuff. Cause you are a true rock star in my opinion. And thanks for being on the adventures of pipe, man. My man thank you so much and thanks everybody for listening. Want to do a quick station ID I sure do just tell them you're listening to Pipe Man on W4CY radio W4CY radio and of course say who you are.

50:53 Yeah W4CY radio is that right yep I have to write it down I cannot in one ear out the other let me know when you're ready I'm ready. Hold on. I got to burp. It's London May from Sam Hain and you're listening to. Fuck! I fucked it up. You've been saying Pipe Man the whole show too. That's funny. I know. Oh my God. Okay. It's London May from Sam Hain and you're listening to the Pipe Man on W4CY radio.

51:37 You did it. Nice. Oh, my God. What a relief. I swear to God, that is the most anxiety-causing thing for me. I'm so dyslexic. But you did a great job. Everything gets scrambled. I've had a lot worse, so you did a great job. But I got to let you go. Usually, I don't even do them that long, but you were a really good talk, so you covered it all. You brought out a lot of great stuff for me, man. I it's, it's pleasure is all mine. Absolutely. And anything you ever need to promote, you just let me know and I'll be happy to promote you.

52:18 Wonderful. Take care of pipe, man. It's what a, what a treat it is to meet you. Ditto. I'm glad I did this. Thanks a lot. Yeah, I know you're coming in like walking wounded and you're still, you're in it with me. Like I, I could tell you, you, you, There was a spark behind the Ringo glasses. There it is. You were digging it, and I can pick up on that, and I appreciate that. Some people are just... Yeah, right? That's cool. That's no way to be in this industry. No. Maybe if you're doing pop, but not metal and punk. You've got to have the passion for it. I feel yours, man. I appreciate that.

53:00 Take it easy, brother. Take it easy. Signing off. Thank you for listening to The Adventures of Pikeman on W4CY Radio.