Sept. 21, 2026

Otherwise Returns to Louder Than Life and Embraces Independence in the New Era

Show Notes
Transcript

In this episode of Podcast, Pipeman interviews Adrian Patrick and Ryan Patrick from the band Otherwise at Louder Than Life, reflecting on their 12-year journey since playing the festival’s very first edition. The discussion spans the band’s evolution into full independence, their nonprofit initiatives with Life by Music, the importance of authenticity in music, family dynamics of working together, and their upcoming acoustic release From the Roots Volume 3. Listeners get a candid look into the challenges and triumphs of life as artists, musicians, and advocates for music education.Main Topics Covered

Otherwise’s Return to Louder Than Life Festival
Reflections on performing 12 years after the inaugural event and how much their lives and careers have changed (00:34–02:13).
Family, Time, and Musical Heritage
Memories of children growing up and generational talent at the piano; discussing how music passes through families (00:52–01:51).
Life by Music Nonprofit
Ryan Patrick shares the mission and impact of their organization, focusing on providing instruments and music resources to at-risk youth and veterans (04:44–05:30).
The Disappearance of Arts in Schools
The panel laments the decline of arts education and the importance of hands-on creative outlets for youth (05:30–06:37).
Musical Independence & Authenticity
Otherwise’s transition to total independence from labels, management, and agents (03:00–04:07), and the creative freedom it brings.
Family Dynamics in the Band
Honest talk about playing and working with siblings, keeping things real and in the family (09:09–10:23).
Upcoming Acoustic Release: From the Roots Volume 3
Details surrounding their live acoustic collection recorded during the pandemic and its October 23rd release (11:29–12:28).

Key Discussions & Stories

Adrian Patrick recalls the very first Louder Than Life show when his son was a week old and reflects on the passage of time (00:52).
Ryan Patrick explains Life by Music’s outreach—800 guitars donated, ukulele and guitar courses, and work with veterans (05:07, 05:17).
The band discusses the struggle of “too many cooks in the kitchen” in the music industry and the sense of liberation they feel as independent artists (03:21–03:57).
Pipeman shares personal stories about the loss of practical and artistic classes in schools, emphasizing diverse forms of learning (05:41–06:20).
How music and authenticity onstage and off connects them to fans, kids, and veterans (07:27–08:23).
The value of experiencing and expressing real emotion through music, especially during the isolation of the pandemic (12:08–13:09).
Lighthearted exchange about launching "Pipeman Records" and supporting artists’ independence (14:23–15:02).

Notable Quotes

“03:32: It’s also a little bit...I would say, I don’t know. No, not—not that we’re scared, you know, but we haven’t been independent artists since we were both kids, right?” — Adrian Patrick
“05:23: It’s all about spreading the power of music, you know, in a positive, you know, educational kind of way.” — Ryan Patrick
“08:03: We got the gold record, we got hundreds of millions of streams...but this organization now is so much more rewarding than just like being a rock star, you know?” — Adrian Patrick
“13:38: It’s like, we don’t know, man. We don’t have to answer to anybody. You know, like we started a rock band for that reason of not wanting to have to answer to like a boss.” — Adrian Patrick
“13:09: With one take, one take, you know, it’s like, so you could feel the energy of a live show and, you know, hear the crowd cheering and I think it’s our first live recording that we’re releasing.” — Ryan Patrick

Resources & Links Mentioned

Life by Music: Organization dedicated to bringing instruments and music resources to at-risk youth and veterans (see Ryan Patrick at 05:07).
Otherwise – From the Roots Volume 3: New live acoustic collection, releasing October 23rd (11:57).

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Hey, you're listening to Adventure on W4CY Radio.

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This is the.

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Pipe Man here on the Adventure's Pipe Man W4CY Radio,

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and I'm here with.

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Adrian Patrick from Otherwise.

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And Ryan Patrick from Otherwise.

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Nice.

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Good to see you, man.

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Good to see you. And fucking louder than life, man.

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I know, dude.

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Twelve years later.

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We played the very first one ever. And now we're back, dude.

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I think I probably interviewed you at that one. That

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might be one of the ones I've interviewed you at.

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Yeah, yeah.

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You know?

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Damn good time.

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I know. Wild, right? It's been 12 years.

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12 years, man. My oldest boy, my firstborn, he was

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a week old.

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Wow.

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And now he's about to turn 12. So wild.

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It goes quick, too, when you have kids, right?

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Oh, my gosh.

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It's like one minute, you're thinking, oh. It's going to

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be a long time before they're older. Next thing you know,

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they don't want to hang out with you anymore.

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Yeah, he doesn't want to hang out with me anymore.

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He's got all his buddies, and they're always online. Dad,

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I'm busy. I'm doing something.

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I'm like, you're not doing anything. Come hang out.

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Now, is he into music?

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You know, it's funny. I didn't try to force it

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on him. My brother's tried. He's shown him some things. uh,

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you know, ukulele, but I mean the, both kids, they can,

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both my boys can just like play the piano and

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I never taught them the piano.

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Wow. Yeah. They can just play it.

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It's, it's, that's, yeah, that shows that whole genetic makeup thing.

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Well, I can't even play the piano. So where'd you

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get that from?

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I know.

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Right.

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Like where, maybe somebody in your family did, or it

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just like transferred through the generations from other instruments to that.

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Right. Yeah.

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Right.

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So, What's it feel like to be here 12 years

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later at Louder Than Life? Feels pretty good.

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No, it's exciting, man.

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It's redemption.

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We haven't... Like you said, 12 years is a long time, so,

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you know, we've definitely wanted to come back, and it's worked.

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Out that we're here, so we're ready to rock, man.

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Big bourbon stage.

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Five o'clock. I love that.

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Five o'clock, 5 p.m. on the big bourbon stage, man.

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I actually really love that stage.

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That stage is amazing.

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You know, when I saw, you know, the offer, you know,

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I was like, oh, okay, we're going to be playing

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on one of those... Side stage is basically a drum riser.

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But that's a legit... It's a legit stage. It's beautiful.

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And it gets packed in there.

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And the time you're playing is like a perfect time.

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I know, man. We're very blessed. It's even more righteous

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for us now because we're newly independent again.

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Nice.

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No record label, no management, no booking agents. The only

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person on our team is our lawyer, our entertainment lawyer.

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And he's yours.

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And he's ours.

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That's the point, right? You know? Yeah, exactly. You have control, creative,

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artistic control, which with all those other things, sometimes bands

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do not.

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Most of the time.

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So many times, it was like too many cooks in

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the kitchen, you know, too many chiefs in the village

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kind of a thing. And now it's just, you know,

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my brother and I are just, it's liberating. It's also

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a little bit, I would say, I don't know. Not

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that we're scared, but we haven't been independent artists since

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we were both kids.

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It's almost like you've never done it before because you

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were kids.

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Right, exactly. And when we were kids, we didn't know

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what the hell we were doing.

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But now we've been through the ringer multiple times, and

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hopefully with my brother, he's got his... his 5013c life

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by music we're hoping to like pass that the knowledge

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on to the next generation you know i love that

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younger kids you know i'm like hey It's the same

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thing I tell my sons. Look, whatever you're thinking about

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doing or whatever you're thinking about, I've probably already thought

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about and done it.

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So just talk to me.

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But they never listen. It isn't until now that I

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think of some of the things my dad said, I'm like,

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oh yeah, he was right. The old man was right.

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The old pipe man was right.

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I know, like, fuck me. I want to hear about

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your organization. Yeah, man. That's more important.

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Yeah, no, no, no.

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It's kind of, it blossomed from, you know, the ashes

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of all the crazy things we've been through.

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And, you know, our mission is to get instruments and

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music resources to at-risk youth and veterans. So we put

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together instrument drives and music courses, and we teach veterans

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how to write songs. And to date, we've donated over

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800 guitars. We created a ukulele and guitar magic, which

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we take to young kids, like first through third grade.

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We've reached a couple thousand kids doing that. And we've

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worked with a couple hundred veterans also. So it's all

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about spreading the power of music in a positive, educational

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kind of way.

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And I love that because... Like, thank God you're doing

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this at a time where they keep taking art out

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of school.

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Oh, yeah.

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Like, what the fuck?

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Less funding, yeah.

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You need that well-rounded thing. It can't just be algebra. Like,

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you have to have arts. Like, I remember I went

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to school. I did wood shop class, metal shop class.

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I don't even think they have that anymore. Auto shop. Yeah.

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I was at Agora High, and we actually literally had

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a mechanics garage on campus there. You know? And that's

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how I was able to drive around because... I couldn't

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have somebody else fix the car. I didn't have any

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fucking money. So I could fix shit myself. But if

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I didn't have that, I wouldn't be able to do that.

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Like the good old days of a screwdriver to the

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starter or pouring some gas in the car and shit

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like that. You could do stuff like that. Nowadays, even

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with cars, man. You can't even find the dipstick half

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the time. Right, exactly.

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One of our tenets is making sure the instruments are

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in the hands. Feel the vibration of the guitar when

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you're playing. It doesn't matter the notes, whatever. There's many

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different ways to play the same chord. There's no right

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or wrong way. Just get the vibrations going. Feel it

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in your hands. It's visceral, and that makes the connection.

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Speaking of, like, right or wrong way, perfect example of

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that would be Black Sabbath. We wouldn't have metal today

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if it weren't for him having to figure out a

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different way to play. Yeah, yeah. So true.

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Like my brother said, there's no right or wrong. It's

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inspiring to instill that in kids and veterans. A lot

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of these kids have been through a lot of shit.

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You know, and obviously the veterans have been through a

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lot of shit.

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No doubt. You know, and so to sit there with them.

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And, you know, my brother and I, we found ourselves,

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you know, we fought and clawed our way to be

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in a position. to use that knowledge and experience to

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try and, you know, again, inspire other people, you know?

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Yeah.

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And now that we're independent again and Life by Music.

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Has really literally... We used to say it like as

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a thing. Oh, dude, we're living a life by music,

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you know?

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Me too.

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That's like what I'm thinking the whole time. I'm like,

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my life is by music.

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Yeah, right, exactly. And to be able to get ourselves

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into a position now where... Yeah, we got the gold record.

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We got hundreds of millions of streams.

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All that shit.

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But this is what... This organization now is... It's so

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much more rewarding than just like being.

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A rock star. You know what I mean?

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And music's the best therapy. And so the target markets

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you're with, at-risk youth and veterans, they need that most

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of all. And they're not getting that.

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Right. You know?

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And... Listen, there's a reason they say music calms the

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savage beast. You know?

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Two examples of that right here.

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Right? And for me, like, the mosh pit has saved

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a lot of people on the outside from me kicking

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their ass.

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There.

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You know? Get it all out in the pit.

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Yep.

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Yes, sir.

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Yes, sir. So speaking of stuff like that, okay, as siblings,

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how the hell do you play in a band together?

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Because I would never play in a band with my siblings.

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I probably would kill them. Yeah.

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Well, I've been very blessed. My younger brother is, you know,

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he's a better man than I am. I'm the one

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with kids, and he's more responsible than I am. You know,

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so it's a beautiful thing. Again, it's family, it's love,

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it's blood and sweat and tears, you know, like it's...

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it's a righteous thing.

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I'm, I'm, I'm so, I'm so blessed.

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You know, like our cousin is here, you know, kind

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of like acting like our tour manager right now.

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Nice.

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You know, so it's like, we're keeping this, we're keeping

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it in the family, but we have this extended family

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through life by music and through otherwise, through the band,

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through the songs, the message, you.

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Know, like we're not up there.

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Bullshit, man.

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You know, when, when we're on.

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Stage, like what we're singing about, those aren't, we didn't

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just fucking write some stories like we're we lived it

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you know we're living it now you know so we're

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hoping that authenticity comes through you know obviously the people

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are going to be in front of us today at

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the bourbon stage bourbon bar stage um but the kids

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and the veterans and anyone who wants to look you

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want you want to live a life by music Well.

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Here we are to try and share some of that,

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you know?

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Yeah, totally. And the authenticity is so important as far

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as I'm concerned. Because I can tell, just like every

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other person in the audience there, if you're just going

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through the motions, dialing it in, or if you really

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are having fun and really believe in what you're putting

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out there.

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Yeah. We just want to be... I mean, it's not

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what we want to be.

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We are real, you know? There's no bullshit behind what

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we do. You know, we don't sing to a backing track,

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you know?

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There's, like, the vocals aren't... What a concept. Yeah.

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You know?

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So, it's... And, you know, when you get done with

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shows like this, it's so fulfilling. And that's what we're

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trying to share with the nonprofit, with the message.

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Really, without the music, We wouldn't fucking be here.

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Exactly. None of us probably would. Speaking of music, you're

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dropping some new music next month, right?

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That's right, man.

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We just actually released a single. We recorded this music

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during the pandemic in 2020, during the lockdowns. We had

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a live stream acoustic performance. And we just, from the archives,

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pulled these songs out. And a cover of Don't You

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Forget About Me.

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Oh, I love that song.

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We just dropped that this week, a couple days ago.

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And then the rest of the collection of songs is

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coming out October 23rd.

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So it's From the Roots, Volume 3.

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Volume 3.

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Nice.

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Yeah, so we've had three, obviously, three volumes now.

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This is our third.

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All acoustic stuff, but it's exciting because it's live. You

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can feel the energy. You can feel the angst of

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the lockdowns. We didn't know when we were going to

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be playing again. And you can hear it in the songs,

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in the recordings. It was a really special moment. And

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now for us to be able to share it six

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years later, I know that our fans, the wise ones,

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are going to really, really appreciate it.

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Yeah, and I've said for a long time, if you're

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going to take a positive out of the pandemic, It

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allowed artists like you to jump off the hamster wheel

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and just do whatever the fuck you wanted to do

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and go back to your roots. Yeah. You know?

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Yeah.

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When you first were like really passionate about putting out

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this new message and you're where you are. Like, cause

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are you now where you were when you started? Obviously not.

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But you go on that hamster wheel all those years,

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you got to get stuck back here cause you don't

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have time. And it's just, just keep doing what you're doing.

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And that's what's going to be beautiful about this new

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drop in October. Yeah, man.

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It's, it's, you know, again, it's, it's live, you know?

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So we're there one take one takes, you know, it's like,

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So you could feel the energy of a live show and,

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you know, hear the crowd cheering.

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It's our first live recording that we're doing.

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It is actually our first live recording.

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You're right.

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Wow.

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Yeah.

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It's very exciting.

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And, again, you know, the whole, like you mentioned, Pipe Man,

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like being independent and doing what the fuck we want

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to do now.

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You know, we don't have to, it's like.

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No man we don't have to answer to anybody you

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know like we started a rock band for that reason

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of not like not wanting to have to answer to.

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Like a boss quote unquote exactly.

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But then you get into the hamster wheel you get

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into the system the machine and you're.

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Like oh wait I gotta answer to this fucking guy

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you know like it's.

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Not what the whole reason like it's flying in the

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face of why we started the band in the first

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fucking place right so now to be free to be

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independent and You know, put this music out the way

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we want to do it.

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It's so awesome, man.

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Absolutely. And I always say, too, like, I don't mind

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the business people being in the business, but do the

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business stuff. Let the musicians do the creativity.

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You should start your own label.

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Right?

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You should start a label, dude.

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There you go. That's a good thought.

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Pipe Man Records, dude.

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Oh, my God. You heard it first right here. I might,

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after Louder Than Life, have to go, like, okay, here

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I go.

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Let's do it, man.

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Nice. And you could be the first band I handle.

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Not a signing. It would be a distribution deal.

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Exactly. That's why I said handle.

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Let us do that.

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Whatever you want to do, and I'll just help you.

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With that journey.

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There we go.

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Pipe Man Records, dude.

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That's the whole concept of Pipe Man Records.

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All right.

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Artists do their thing. I'll help you on the journey.

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There we go.

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I'm kind of like your guardian angel.

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We need those. Right?

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We need those. Especially in this industry, man. There's a

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lot to guard from.

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Oh, dude. Man. Yeah. Well. Well, Pipe Man, thanks for

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having us.

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Thanks for letting us talk about this new era of Otherwise,

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Life by Music, from The Roots Volume 3 coming out

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in October. We're very grateful to even just sit here

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and chat with you about it.

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Well, we're grateful to have you at Lighter Than Light,

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and I'm grateful to have you here on The Adventures

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of Pipe Man. Thank you for listening to The Adventures

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of Pipe Man. On W4CY Radio.

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