Oct. 18, 2024
Pipeman Interviews Jacqueline Bisset Wes Ramsey C Jay Cox About Latter Days & Back to the Drive 2
Jacqueline Bisset is here, along with Wes Ramsey, who both star in Latter Days, C. Jay Cox, the writer/director, and Kirkland Tibbels, the producer.
About Back to Drive 2: Back to the Drive 2 is a night full of stars, music, and celebrating LGBTQ+...
Jacqueline Bisset is here, along with Wes Ramsey, who both star in Latter Days, C. Jay Cox, the writer/director, and Kirkland Tibbels, the producer.
About Back to Drive 2: Back to the Drive 2 is a night full of stars, music, and celebrating LGBTQ+ equality. Proceeds from the evening support all Stonewall local and national education programs. There will be a special tribute to bars and safe spaces (Raising the Bars) that have long provided our community with refuge in trying times.
The 2nd Annual Back to the Drive 2 Celebration will be held:
• October 17th, 2024
• 6:00 PM EST
• The VENUE | 2345 Wilton Drive, Wilton Manors
Hollywood legend Jacqueline Bisset (The Sweet Ride, Murder on the Orient Express)and screen-stealing hottie Wes Ramsey (General Hospital, Venice the Series) in Fort Lauderdale, FL (the Marriott Courtyard Downtown/Oct. 16th In-person Interviews) on October 17- they are headed to town to support Stonewall National Museum, Archives & Library’s Back to the Drive 2 fundraiser while also celebrating the 20th anniversary of their trailblazing, gay rom-com, “Latter Days.”
Film writer/director C. Jay Cox (Sweet Home Alabama, Kiss the Bride) and producer Kirkland Tibbels (Cloud 9, Adam & Steve) are also flying in for Stonewall’s second annual Back to the Drive 2 and available for interviews.
Latter Days tackled the dramatic love story between a Los Angeles party boy and a closeted Mormon missionary and the changes they brought to one another’s lives. Initially released in 2003 at the Philadelphia International Gay and Lesbian Film Festival and OutFest, it quickly gained groundbreaking acclaim from viewers across the U.S. and around the world. Stonewall National Museum, Archives & Library’s Executive Director Robert Kesten said, “It is an honor to have the fearless and iconic Jacqueline Bisset, Wes Ramsey, C. Jay Cox and Kirkland Tibbels break down barriers 20 years ago, and come to celebrate diversity, bravery and all shades of love today. ”
While C. Jay Cox and Kirkland remain mum on future projects, there are whispers….
“With a new film studio under construction in Fort Lauderdale and the county's tax breaks for filmmakers it will be interesting to hear what C. Jay and Kirkland say about the possibility of making movies here in Florida,” added Kesten. “The nation's cultural views of LGBT+ rights have changed over the past 20 years, and it will be interesting to hear if there are plans to once again push the envelope in a meaningful and significant way.”
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right here in our local area that is so important.
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So let's welcome to show that. Casson, director of Latter Days,
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Thank you very good, wonderful Thanks for having us today.
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here in South Florida and we're going to talk about that. First,
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This is CJ. Cox, the writer director of Latter Days.
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And this is West Ramsey, the star of Latter Days
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and the incomparable Jacqueline.
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Visit Nice Play's Lilah in the movie.
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of back info for all the listeners of why we're
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Sure, so for.
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a very closeted gay Mormon missionary who winds up in
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Los Angeles and encounters the very sort of stereotypical West
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Hollywood gay party boy who's played by by the gorgeous
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West Ramsey, and it's causes sort of repercussions throughout both
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of their lives that that caused them to question not
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It's a funny romantic comedy too.
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like the twentieth anniversary, Is that right?
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It is? Indeed? Twow does that.
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Plow your mind? Like twenty years? Who would think? Right?
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It was really fun. Shoot, they were the boys were great,
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the director was great. It was really very close and
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close knit and just loving.
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it was great. It was just great.
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you're also having fun doing it, because that's that's the key, right, Oh, absolutely, Yeah.
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also believe in the work you've done in a project
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like this, and you've had fun together, and then it
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feels like like you've gone off to camp together and
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then you get to like come back together and celebrate
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camp all over again.
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Enthusiastic audiences. I mean, it's just mind boggling, just absolute.
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People just rapped looking at at the screen, you know,
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really attentive, really moved, very beautiful.
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See that's amazing. And you know, how would you say
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in the past twenty years would you say that Latter
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years later we would sort of look at that film
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as something of a novelty and say that, oh, yeah,
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it's great, it's great that we're past all.
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You have sort of moved past that as a society,
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lot of the issues that were presented in the movie
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about oppression and judgment and sort of I mean religious oppression.
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realm of politics too, that a lot of those issues
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are still really prevalent, and maybe even even more so
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than they might have been twenty years ago.
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for sure, I think it's way more polarized now than
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it was then, which kind of blows my mind that
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we have to come twenty years later to be even
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more polarized and try to go back to a time
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that we should have never lived to begin with.
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Exactly exactly, yeah, well said, So.
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You're down here in Fort laurnew for this amazing event.
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Back to drive to tell us about the event.
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Well, the event.
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We were invited by the Stonewall Field Archive down here
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to celebrate the twentieth anniversary of this.
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To be able to revisit the movie with you know,
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these fabulous people, but also within a group that I
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think is is really important because especially when you look
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at you know, not to bring it, to make it
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it's too political, but bringing it back to the political
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scene in Florida right now, I think making our voices
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and our stories heard is more important than ever.
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Oh no doubt about it. As somebody who lives here,
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who has you know, children here, grandchildren here, I think
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what's been happening in the past few years politically with
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the powers that be in this state is absolutely ridiculous.
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When it comes to the education system and like I
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think kind of like hiding it more than it was
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ever being hidden, and to take books out of school,
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Like I think kids should be exposed to everything you
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know that is as well as it's not something bad,
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but exposed to all kinds of things so that they
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can be well developed instead of preaching to be blunt hatred.
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Exactly being well and just being exposed to a number
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of different opinions and people. And and I think the
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more the more that people growing up are exposed to
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those things, the less judgmental and the more just society becomes.
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we can play a small part in that. I was
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talking to somebody today that that on some level what
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we might be doing here because essentially what we're doing
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is promoting gay film and gay stories. That my understanding
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is that that might even that's technically illegal in Florida
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right now.
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That isn't that the most ridiculous thing ever. I don't
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care who you are, what your preferences are. That is
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just the stupidest thing I ever heard. It reminds me
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of going back to like, you know, the Holocaust.
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are still present and still very much active twenty years
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after we made the movie in which I was I
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naively like, oh that that far in the future. It's
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it's just going to seem like a like such a throwback,
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acceptance are universal themes, and that's about opening up your
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mind and not closing it off, not afraid of each other,
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where there seems to still be fear and oppression taking place,
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not just in different ways across this country, but around
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this world, where you can be you can be hung
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or stone to death if they find out you're let alone.
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themselves be seen literally physically seen in public, I mean,
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and in the name of faith and belief. And I
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think it's important to remember that having conversations with each
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other about these things is part of how we love
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and accept each other, to open our mind, to not
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continue dividing, but to believe that we can still all
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come together and get along and evolve collect around the world.
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oldest trick in the book, divide and conquer and I
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have this philosophy. They're all on the same team and
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it's not mine, Like we just need to be one
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people together. I don't care what anybody is as you
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know what. People spend so much time, especially here in Florida,
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worrying about things that don't affect their life in any way,
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shape or form. Like I don't even understand how it
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would bother somebody what somebody else does in their love life.
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Exactly exactly.
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Yeah, I mean everything's about land, really, isn't it.
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M H, I don't know.
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But first about land ownership, that's mine, that's mine. I mean,
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we have to be taught that it's children not to
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be so greedy.
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Exactly.
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Such a great thing going on. It's disgusting.
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Well, it's interesting that you should say that, because I
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remember are very strongly this conversation I had while I
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was in Denmark. One time. I was with like eight
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other people, all different political beliefs, different religious beliefs, different
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cultural beliefs, and nobody was arguing, nobody was attacking. We
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were all having discussions about these hard subjects, and then
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I remember the Danish girl there trying to explain how
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they live in Denmark that we complain about over here,
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And she said, listen, I don't mind paying the higher taxes.
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You know, Americans like to say, oh, they don't want
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to have it the way we do because the taxes
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are so high. And I don't mind paying the higher
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taxes if it means sharing with my fellow country person.
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You know, why should I have two cars and my
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neighbor have none? And that that attitude, like the whole
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world could learn from that attitude of like, why can't
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we just help each other? You know, it doesn't mean
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we need They make it like we're getting stuff take
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in a way now I think we're having stuff taken
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away by being divided.
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Yeah, And tolerance isn't about you know.
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I think tolerance is about uh, less about fear and
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more about love, and it's and it shows strength. I
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think to learn to tolerate each other's differences is something
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that shows strength. I don't think it's a weakness. I
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don't think it's about I think oppression. I think oppression
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is weak. I think because it comes to fear.
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to piggyback on that and just say that I think
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that's that's one of the brilliant things about Wes's portrayal
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