PipemanRadio Discusses Hope Found Me with SHAVROCK

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0:51 But I found. This. It's the pipe Man here on the Adventures pipe Man W four c Y Radio. And I'm here with our next guest to our killer artists and their they're brothers, and I love that. We're going to talk about that. So let's welcome to the show, Shabrock. How are you doing well? Thank you so much for having us. Hey my pleasure. Now. First of all, the first thing I want to say is how do you get your beard that long and that tame that long? Because my beard okay, at this point already I'm like, okay, I'm ready to trim it back down because it's a place and it's a pain in the ask.

1:36 This is you're the practice. No, I don't know. I lucked out good genetics. Just after the shower, I brush it and uh shampoo and that's it. No oil, no nothing, that's it. That's it. Like I talked to our friends of mine are like, they tell me all the work they gotta do. I'm like, screw that, man. Oh it's. I walked out there, you go. I love it, man, because that is a badass beard. Like if I like that, of course, I think it's like your hair too, Like what I've had hair down the middle of my back and game past that middle stage is the hardest part.

2:19 And I think it's the same with my beard. It's like I get to a point I'm like, yeah, fuck. It pretty much. I just got I think. I think it's like I should have just grown it during COVID and then what happened? Yeah, so something else I noticed? Okay, so uh I didn't even notice till right before starting the interview, but I was like, I was looking at the notes and I'm like, oh, wait a minute, which is spelled right your last name or the name in the band. And then it's like, oh, an idiot, I am, course, you know, And so like it's funny. I'll bet you you have people in interviews they already asked this stupid question all the time, but they probably as well, where did you get your band name?

3:11 And they can't figure it out because it's two different spellings, so they probably can't figure it out. We've had that, Yeah, great observation. We've obviously had that, I don't know a bunch of times, yeah, already. And we just thought it was like a cool, unique thing to do, and to sort of use both names. I know, right, it's pert. And what we did was, actually, this is a CD don if you could see. So we did the O and the I and to incorporate both so it's a Shavrick and Shavrock. Oh that is cool. What a great idea. I love it. That was actually nixed. Idea nice. And so I just have to ask, okay, because I would never in a million years be in a band with any of my siblings. I know my kids would never be in a band with aings, how the hell do you do it?

4:06 So honestly, growing up and we were very close in age, and we we pretty much did everything together already, so we have the same friends, and and when we started playing, you know, he started playing guitar, I started playing guitar, and so we were always just like jamming and stuff like that. So it really did just come naturally. Yeah, I mean listen. I know you're the point you're getting at. It's like, you know, you're working with family. It could be a challenge at times. That's still you know, there's still that that brother we love that that definitely happens throughout many moments. But you know, I'm grateful for for our relationship. I'm grateful for what we both bring to the table, and it wouldn't be the same. You know, there's a third element that we have that's because of the fact that we're brothers. We have you know, we sound different, but we have similar sounding voices. So it's like, you know, the harmonies, all the harmonies on the record are actually two people. It's me harmonizing with myself. So there's there's that element. So you know, it came actually honest exactly.

5:07 I think that's way cool. And the one and the biggest benefits I always think of is at least you can trust your other band member. Okay, yeah, now I even know if I could say that for my siblings, but in general in general, but I think about it like, I have this one brother. He'll probably never listen to his interview, so I could talk shit abou him anytime I want, and he always used to say when we were younger. Like when I say younger, not kids, but younger, like I was in my late twenties, he was in his early thirties, and he's like, I'll always be six years older than you. I'm like, big shit, that don't mean shit. I'm married with four kids. You've never been married.

5:50 I run a business. You work for somebody, like, I don't see how the six years is making a difference. But he always did, and I think he's still always dead. So what would happens to be that hierarchy in the in the band, you know, like I'm the older brother and what I say goes. And now we'll take something that's recent. Okay. I started rewatching the Osbournes after Ozzie died because I'm like, I don't even remember it. Now I'll get watching again. And I could never see Jack and Kelly being in a band together. Of course, they have a very tight relationship. They love each other to death, but they're two totally different people and they would probably kill each other if they were in a band together.

6:40 I think we lucked out that we have a close working relationship and we sort of can I don't know make it work. Yeah, I treat each other as equals is the way I look at it. From what you said. Absolutely, we both sing, we both play lead guitar on the album. Actually, so it's it's an interesting mix. Yeah, we definitely approached this as a partnership going into that, we kind of had to have that mentality and that that really was a benefit to everybody. And everyone brought something different to the table. Nick would write the songs. I would come up with these very melodic guitar lines that would go with the songs, and so as Ron would always say, it's like taking a cake, right, exactly right.

7:21 And I love too that you're both You both play guitar, you both sing, because usually when you have bands, when there's brothers in it, it's like somebody has to pick one instrument, somebody has to pick the other, and sometimes it comes down to who pulled the shortest straw, right. I think we both kind of lent into our positions kind of by happenstance. But I mean I didn't really anticipate in being the lead singer of a band. I always thought I'd be like, you know, just lead guitarist in a band, you know, kind of not not in the background, but not everything just like on you you know, but I kind of got like pushed to this position based upon I wrote all these songs, and then Kiev and I just I started playing them and then he started singing harmony with it. It kind of just happened on its own, and it was the way that it was meant to be, and we kind of just moved ahead with that.

8:13 But what's kind of. Cool about our our style, which I think is pretty unique in terms of the different elements. You know, certain elements may not be unique in itself, but all those elements together is something quite unique. Our producer, bumblefoot Ron bumblefoot Fall kind of would describe us as if you can imagine like those Simon and garfunkly voke softer harmonized vocals, but then you have like those driven, heavier guitars from like the two thousands, like Creed or Three Doors Down or Dadtry type of thing, and then you add in some orpions harmonizing guitars, and then some really slash, you know, Zach Wild type of guitar solos. It's all of that that is shavrock, which I don't think really exists.

8:59 Till right well, and it's way cool. And I tell you, I have to give you credit too. So to me, singing and playing guitar is hard enough, but singing and being lead guitarists is really difficult. It's like you gotta be on point for both of them and no laying back. You know, you could be a rhythm guitarist and like lay back and sing and you know, you know the chords, so it's easy and stuff to focus on the right notes both in the lead guitar and in the singing. Man, that's amazing.

9:41 Hit the nail on the head. I tell them that all the time. Yeah. So, I mean one of the things that people don't know is we didn't talk about I think like even when we just kind of like did credits on the record, it was just like, Okay, A Kiev a lead guitar, nick guitar and vocals, and A do him as vocals. But the reality is, in hindsight, we probably had the same amount of solos on the record. So for example, I have two standalone solos where it's just me that he has probably similar and then the other solos are you know, are a joint solo. So for example, one of the songs, Burning Sky, he takes the first half of the solo and then on the second half of the solo and bring them home the same thing. He's the first half, I'm the second half. I'm dazed and confused.

10:31 I'm the first part, he's the second part, and I take it home and I'm the third part. It was a cool, cool way to really bring both of our styles together. And then Bumblefoot has his own two solos on Amen and College. Yeah. Now has that feel have been him produced for the album and play on the album. I mean it's the most dream come true. Yeah, that's all I could say, a dream come true. Anyone who who plays guitar knows obviously about ron bum Football, and he was always a legend in our minds. And I mean, I still, I still can't believe it that I pinched myself that we worked with him. Been more than that.

11:15 We became like very very close as friends and family, and we're spending hours and hours in the studio together and him to produce our album was just really such a blessing. And I'll even add that it gives you guys kudos, like like when somebody like that tells you you're good, Like I don't know, you kind of don't believe him, or or you're like, oh my fucking god, how does he think we're good? Yeah, that's that's a yeah, that's kind of a good point. We talk about it every once in a while, just like you know, the most challenging part of the whole process is playing guitar in front of him. That's honestly the most.

11:55 You know, because you're you're working your way through a solo and in your mind you're like, all right, Ron will do this in two takes and it's done and it's perfect, and here we are trying to fight to get it right. So that's like the intimidating parts I remember, like there was one the only like this is probably for me, like my most memorable moment in the whole recording process. I remember I was laying down my solo for Burning Sky and I'm doing this one piece. I didn't really anticipate to do it. It was like this really fast like blues thing, and then Ron goes holy Like I remember him like just going holy yeah, and I'm like, to me, that was like that made my whole life like coming from him and he's you know, it wasn't anticipated and it's on the record that piece that's exactly the take.

12:37 But it was like this amazing thing, and you know, yeah, because to. Us he's the best of all time, like there's we have there's no such thing, honestly, but to us in our minds, what it means. To be the best, because like I need to see. The stupidity if people arguing about guitar players and who's better it is all your opinion, and it's not because it's not about it's not about the Olympics. You know, it's gonna be about opinion. This mom melodic, who does something cooler? You know, it's silly, But what makes somebody great is besides the versatility, is like the feel, the melody. This guy could play faster than anybody I've ever seen. And he's the one who told told me. I think he told to keep it too in the studios, like you gotta slow down. I remember laying down this one piece and I'm flying, I'm flying, and like I'm actually playing it too fast that he was actually slightly out of time. I was getting ahead, and Ron says, listen, He's like, you're gonna lose people I remember that.

13:32 I'll never forget that. He said, You're gonna lose people. He says, when you are putting a solo in a song, it's about writing a melody or a guitar solo that is singable. And we really understood that through this process. That's why if you look through this record, especially now, and I know the songs obviously, I've listened to this record many many times, but I know every lead line, I could sing him because each lead line is singable. It's not just crazy shred stuff. It's really isn't There is some nice dread in here, but everything is tasteful. The majority of them are just super melodic. Yeah. I love hearing that. And I'll tell you why, because to your point, you take some of the great shredders, and I take nothing away from them, But after you listen over and over again to the songs, they get old or boring because it's like the same thing, you know, and the same and it's really not about the melody.

14:30 It's about the shredding. There's no sweetness thing. It's a lack of sweetness, and and that's that's what makes it I think an amazing player. There's there's a song actually he did. I think it's from his album Little Brothers Watching, and there's a song called I Don't Know Who to Pray Do Anymore. I think he wrote those songs actually when he was in Gen R and he was maybe even gonna do them with Gen R as part of a GENR record, Not really sure, but so it definitely has that type of flavor a little bit in it, right. But he wrote such an unbelievable solo. If you listen to that song, it's a pretty long song, but his guitar solo is like the most melodic thing. He basically waits kind of to the end of the song before he completely lets loose and then just melts your face off.

15:16 It's so sweet everything that he does. And that's what his skill is. His skill is understanding and creating the most beautiful melodic music. And people wouldn't really think that that that's him, like because he does very you know, a lot of his other stuff is very obscure and interesting type of music, and he can do everything. Yeah, and I love what you said at the end because it's like he gave you something first, exactly how I'm gonna shred exactly Basically the way I look at it, you know. Yeah, and something else too, you know, I relate to and it also relates to your album and what you guys are about. I'm also a motivational speaker.

16:00 So when you were talking about, you know, playing in front of him, it's kind of like I've shared the stage with some of the biggest speakers there are that were mentors of mine since I'm eleven years old. And when I know in the beginning, when I knew I was on stage and they were like sitting there watching, in my mind, I'm like, oh fuck yeah, Like it's like it's the audience didn't make me nervous, right, And then even in this Okay, So I've actually interviewed DJ's from Serious XM, I've interviewed Ricky Rackman, and like, interviewing people like that, I'm like thinking, are they judging me while I'm interviewing how good I am? Like, It's it's one thing interviewing the man. It's another thing interviewing somebody that's on your level or above your left level in the same industry, and you're like, hmm, I wonder what they're thinking right now while we're talking. You know, So I totally get what you're saying. Now. The other thing is is I love that Hope found Me because I'll tell you what, especially in twenty twenty five, hope needs to find a lot of people. So I really even know where it went.

17:28 Oh my god. That's that's the reason why the record is named Hope Found Me. We actually could not We tried to get away from me for a second, and and including Ron, he he's like, it's got to be Hope found Me. Yeah, we all were in consensus on that, an agreement in that because too. Powerful of a Yeah, that went pretty much with every song that we composed and put out on the album. It's what everybody needs in their life because if you don't have hope, you of. Nothing, no doubt, you know. And that's how like I've learned from talking people through the years, that's really where people go down a bad, dark place, you know, and when things if you take prisoners that go to prison, like they tell prisoners to let go of hope because hope will destroy you in there, and I'm like, what the hell, Yeah, never let go of hope. You know.

18:25 Hope is what drives you. Hope is what gets you to where you're going and hope is what keeps you positive. And that's what I love about your music in a world where music a lot of times is negative. You know, I love artists like you that put that positive spin on it because music is the best therapy there is, Okay, and oh yes, so is positivity. Mm. Have you guys always been like that? Have you always had that kind of positive mindset and you just brought it into the music music? Do it for you?

19:08 That? That's see, that's really spot on. I like that that you touched upon it. It was like a little have you right? So there is a couple of things I can say. One is that for me at least, you know, being hopeful at times can be a challenge, There's no question about it. So I definitely strive to try to be positive in my life and to be hopeful and try to look forward to things. And yeah, I definitely strive for it. That's there's no question, but it is a challenge of times. With that being said, there's something I kind of had like an aha moment. I mean, it was actually an interview that it just came out the tip of my tongue. I did and really intentionally say it.

19:52 But sometimes you write songs the things that you need to hear. Yeah. True, And I realized that. And because I write a lot about concepts, some songs have a lot of me and them. Other songs really don't have any of me really in them. It's more about ideas of how to help people. And that's why lyrically, I like to write songs about concepts where you know a person could be down at the bottom, and how do I help that person see a different perspective on things and on life. And that's why I write songs about it because hopefully there's it can help one random but you know what, I did my job if I helped or save one human being, because if that person, that's it. We actually had this random girl message us on our Instagram and she said, I hope found me.

20:46 Before I heard that song, I did not have hope. Wow, I do that. I couldn't believe it. I said it to my brother. I'm like, you can't take this stuff for granted because you realize what success is, and that is success. All the other stuff is just fluff, money and same. It's all fluff. It's wonderful, people appreciate it, but that's not what it's about. It's just not And you know what the fact of the matter is is usually those moments happen when you are doubting yourself, when you were down and then you get somebody like that comment to you, and you you go, that's why I'm doing this. Yeah, it's definitely those aha moments.

21:36 It's funny too, because it made me think of a story just happened recently. This girl I've known for like sixteen years were like BFFs, and we met on a joke. Okay that one of our other friends did this joke on my radio show. You're gonna laugh, but they this girl winded me to do dating radio show, like like the Dating Game, and I would be wearing a mask to prove that if I couldn't see what they looked like, I would stop picking hot, young psycho girls. So she ended up she was one of the contestants on there, and I did end up picking her, and she was hot and young, younger than me at the time, but she was so positive That's why I picked her. And recently we were hanging out and I dug up that the recording of that radio show from like sixteen years ago okay, and we're listening to it together, and I knew she needed to hear it because she's in and she was in a real hard time in her life and things were looking pretty dark, and that radio show reminded her of who she really was. She was like, oh, I need to be that girl again, because she was like so prod. Every answer she gave was like this optimistic, hopeful,

23:07 positive thing, and you know, it was a good feeling that she could listen to that again and realize where she's lost. You know, that's another song that's our first single. Is that premise is the Boy I Used to be. So I don't know if you're familiar with that song, but it's the same concept where you know, well it can go two ways. One the opening line is Today's the day I will make a brand new start, picking up the pieces of a you know, of a puzzle. I can't remember the words of a puffle I completed that I just tore apart. And you know, the song is about look reflecting back on life to basically say, you know, when I was a child and I was looking at growing up and I always thought I was going to be whatever you're going to be. Listening somebody wanted to be an astronaut, and then all of a sudden, here they are in their twenties or in their thirties, forties, fifty six, and they look back at their life and they like, I wonder if that little kid who sees me now would he recognize me? And that was the idea of the song, because I actually was thinking about myself, like just as a little kid. I remember singing carpool, just thinking myself. I'm like, I wish I was grown up, and I wish I could be whatever was. I don't remember what I wanted to be at that time, but that concept, and you know, we may be getting older every day, but every day is a brand new day, and it's a brand new day that you can do something new. You could become somebody different than you than you are and be whomever you want to be at that time. You know, so confident what you're saying, you know,

24:37 looking back at something that of the time in your life that maybe you were the person that you wanted to be and maybe you lost that, you can still go back and you know, try to emulate and be that person. There it's still there. It's somewhere you. I found that out too, because before we had all this social media and stuff that I was on that classmates dot com and girl friend from like thirteen years old messaged me on there and she's like, this is before we had like stuff we could do on our phone and stuff. And she goes, I still have the birthday card you gave me when I turned thirteen. I'm like, yeah, I scan scan it and send it over to me. It wasn't like she send it in her phone or anything.

25:23 And I looked at this thing and I have this habit and cards of like writing on the whole left side of it, and I did it and I've read it and I'm like, oh my god, like I would do the exact same thing today, and all it did for me it was like ghosts of Christmas past. It's like, oh my god, that is core me, and that's always been core me. And a lot of us forget that. A lot of us forget that some of the things of who we are have always been us. We just society people. Things that happen in life buried it deep down in us, and we need that wake up moment like that to realize it's still in us and bring it back.

26:10 Right. It's very deep, and that's that's what music's all about, in my opinion, like your music, your type of music, you know, it allows people to do that. It allows people to sit there and forget all the other crap in the world that is affecting us negatively, and people go back inside ourself and find that kid that had all the hopes and dreams that people when they get older say, give up on that, give up on this, and it makes you realize, no, never give. Up, right right, It's exactly true.

26:51 It's so true. So what else do you want? Guys want to say about the album or tell people about how to connect to you and social get the album, merch and all that. Absolutely, so we're we are on Deco Entertainment, Deco Entertainment, and that's sort of been blessing being able to work with bumble Foot. And because of that, now anyone who really like who's I guess an artist on the bubble Foot is represented by Deco and your merchandise, your your music, the physical stuff. If you want to physical CD over here the shav Rock c D that you can buy. Actually, it's got a really. Cool dis I love the colors. On there. Yeah, that was the colors were a big deal. It took a little bit before we got it the way that we wanted. And that's the actual CD as well.

27:37 That's so cool. We're actually gonna we were talking about this actually. In an yesterday and we were gonna consider maybe doing a limited edition or limited run of vinyl. We're we're gonna kind of wait a little bit, see what kind of you know, We'll feel it out, see what kind of requests we get, and maybe do a limited. Is really cool. They would look awesome on vine. And you know what that cover reminds me of. It reminds me of a Journey album. Ah, I know what you're talking about. We're huge, Yeah, we're huge Journey fans. I saw them. It was first concert I ever went to besides beatle Mania, but I don't count that because it wasn't actually the Beatles, but I went to see Journey and lover Boy in nineteen seventy nine.

28:21 Oh gosh, you're so lucky. Yeah. Wow, it was pretty awesome. And if I actually think about it, Neil was a big influence on her playing in the sense of being so melodic, and I haven't thought about that in a while. Yeah, wow right, Yeah, it's very true. Like if you listen to the song Who's Crying Now, and he's playing that melody as the main solo and it's just and then he listens his quick shred, but he was so brilliant. Oh man, it just so like. Reflecting on that, I realized how much of an influence they did have on us too. You know, look at that, Look at how I just brought that up. Yeah, really nowhere it's crazy. And yeah, and with regards to our social media is if you throw into Google or whatever, search mension, shavrock and link tree, you'll get all of our our Facebook or our Instagram or Spotify or Apple Music, and you can stream all music all that good stuff. Yeah.

29:18 Nice, and uh so that's cool. I love what you guys are doing. I love not only your musicianship but the message you're giving because it's needed more than ever nowadays, even for the most positive of us. Like I travel do coverage at festivals here in the US, UK, Europe, and I leave this country, I come back and I'm like, oh my god, it's all hope gone. It's like, you know, and it's not about any side or anything it's just about everybody. It's about like what's wrong with the world right now and the thing game on all sides man, And so thank god we have people like you that are bringing hope back, so hope can find us.

30:09 All correct, I want to say, basically, you just said there's a song on the record called Empty Cup that is literally describing. The crazy world we live in. Yeah. The opening of the song is, I turned on the news today, my eyes can't believe what they're seeing. To some people, life is just the game pawn of Pawn's Kings and now victims. That's the opening of the song. The whole song is it's and it goes up talking about the world. It's what a silly world, what a crazy world? Yeah, and the chorus was talking about you know, kind of just turning a blind eye to things. Is sometimes we're blind with our eyes wide open. Sometimes the truth is we just choose to look away.

30:54 That's brilliant because it's true. It's a powerful song. You should give it if you haven't heard it yet, give it a listen. It's a really powerful song. The messages is that's how Ron sort of describes one of the things was He's like the right, very deeper. Nick writes very very deep, meaningful lyrics, and it's so true. I think it's important for lyrics to be like that. That's why I like the kind of music I do, because I don't want to hear music that has no pertinence to you know, deep feeling inside and the therapy that we all need. And by the way, one of the next festivals I'm doing, you guys should be playing that. And that's Bourbon and beyond. You know that one, No, that sounds great?

31:36 Check it out, Check it out. You would fit in perfect. It's like it's a Danny Wimmer festival. Most of his are like rock festivals, but this one is rock but not heavy rock. You know, blues, bluegrass, country, you know, all that kind of stuff mixed in. Like this year you gotsh headlining, you got Ringo Star, Pat Benatar, switch Foot, Oh yeah, let's see what. Oh blues Traveler. I can't believe I almost forgot that because.

32:17 But yeah, there's all great. Where were It's funny we grew up on pap Bennatzar. I have to tell you my dad, my dad and my mom love dad had her, probably still has her vinyl stuff. It was all in vinyl, fire and ice, all that good stuff from back in the yard. The guitar player pil Gerald wanted he again another influence you don't think about It was a huge, huge influence on us in terms of like some of his souls they wrote again, very very single lead lines, almost all of his soul. Sorry, some of the greatest guitarists are the ones that people aren't talking about, right about the obvious ones, but like, okay, my, you know Eddie Vanhill and everybody knows about him, talks about him. But I think there's a lot of guitarists that nobody even knows that probably blow him away. Not that he's bad, it's not that. It's just a matter of there's there's such talent out there there is. It's amazing the kind of influences you can have, And it's great that guys like you have those kind of influences, because I think that's what makes a musician unique. If they follow after the ones that everybody knows, then they usually sound like the ones that everybody knows.

33:39 Everybody's trying to be a clone of the guy that they love. You know exactly exactly, you lose. We we were really blessed to have. Yeah, been influenced by so many great bands, especially you know, classic rock in the eighties and all that which was you know obviously before us, but we broke in the nineties. But at the same time some of our favorite bands. Well that's like me. I you know, I grew up with older brothers. I had two brothers that were eleven years older than me, and so I would dig into their record collection, which was all like sixties stuff and then seventies stuff, and then I formed my own And I think that is a big difference of back then compared to today. Is all of us from back in those times, you know, it was like a foundation that kept being built on.

34:32 You know. For me, you know, I was listening to all that great sixties stuff, but then I fell in love with Zeppelin, and then I fell in love with Sabbath, and I fell in love with The Grateful Dead, and then I fell in love with Metallica and Slayer. You know, it's like all these different transitions and they all are part of me, you know, And I think a lot of kids today they're not getting those type of influences they're getting. Yeah, it's fun, it's funny growing up, Yeah, growing off in carpool, my grandfather would play for us John Denver all the time, right, and a band called the Seekers, I think from the sixties. Yeah, And it's just and that I think all together as you're saying that that slowly built the foundation that obviously being exposed to guns and roses at a young age and all, and then obviously once we you know whatever in our teenage years and Metallica and then alter Bridge and Freed a three Doors Down, all those bands and it just sort of all just came together.

35:34 That's funny because we were just at a Creed concert. Actually just had two Greek concerts this past year, but Creed was well when we were growing up, Cree was like the biggest thing. Creed was just you know. Mark Tremonti again talked about underrated guitarist. One of the most underrated guitarist ever. Amazing. He's a friend of mine. He's actually interviewed my grandson, Like my grandson was interviewing him and he interviewed him back. He is is a cool what a guitarist, Oh my guitar. He's written some of the best intros in songs in history. I don't think there's anybody's written as many you know, memorable you know, intros to song. But what I was gonna say is what was interesting is you touched upon you know, the way like when we're growing up, you know, we have all these different influences. Now there's not as much stuff. But the interesting thing was that this concert he said, you know, if this is your first Creed show, raise your hand, and and like it turned out that the majority of the people that were there were in their like twenties. Wow, there's been a crazy college resurgence.

36:40 I think like high or recharted. Or something something. For sure, Yeah, there were some resurgence. I think that I think Hire started charting again. And all of a sudden, now these teenagers and you know, like you know, early twenty years in college, they're all literally jamming to Creed. I like, looking at this kid next to me jamming to Cree A little guy. What is going on? But it's amazing Now maybe now with with TikTok or whatever, that older bands are becoming relevant again and then people could kind of appreciate the great music that already was and hopefully a. Lot of it's coming back too. Like yeah, so you have bands like Rival Sons or Dirty Honey that are bringing back that musicianship yeah, and kind of rock music from the seventies type of mind.

37:28 So cool. Yeah, I love that. It really really is which it which is great because like I'm a metal head, but a metal head that also loves blues and loves bluegrass and loves sixties music, seventies music, And you find a lot of metal heads nowadays are in some ways more gatekeeper than we were in the eighties. But then there's the others out there that are discovering stuff. And I also mentioned it earlier. I think it's total cool that, you know, people kids are going to see bands that the dudes in the band are sixty years old. Like when I was a teen age or listen, I went to Metallica's first show ever.

38:13 You would never catch me at that age going to a Metallica show when they were sixty, you know, like you know, like I'm their age, I'm a couple of years younger than them. So that's why it was cool, Like, hey, let's go see all these bands that are our age, you know, but my generation would never have like gone to see them if they were sixty you know, it's kind of cool nowadays, or or these kids that are wearing Misfit shirts but they actually know who the misfits are in their sight. Yeah yeah, I mean for me, it was like that was the one of the reasons why I wanted to see Journey, because I'm like, these guys are probably what close to seventy now and also def Leffer growing up that was probably our top ten.

38:58 Yeah. Def Leppard still just is good and they were amazing, and these guys are like seventy or they're off for sixties and look I saw I have to tell you, I saw Sticks like a year ago. Unbelievable, amazing. It's just it's just and you know who you know who really blew me away, Toto. Those guys are still singing and it's just, oh my god. I actually interviewed them. Well, here's a trip. I actually interviewed the grassroots and none of them were the original members. Whoa I think coigners like that there totally like that. Yeah. Now there's nobody left, right, Yeah. And singer just retired. The replacement, you know, he's just retired.

39:40 I know, right, It's kind of it's kind of weird to be I mean, keep it going. But like it's kind of weird when you're interviewing a bad that nobody's the original member, you know. But yeah, I mean there's so much cool ship like that. Like I just covered hell Fest and Scorpions played. Oh my god, I've seen them so many times in my lifetime, and I'm here to tell you I was freaking out because they were so good, you know. Because want to see. Really they're so old and they're so good. And I was talking about this earlier or yesterday with an interview.

40:20 I was doing that somebody who played with Michael Schenker, and I literally said straight out, I'm like, you know, I think Rudolph fits the Scorpions better than Michael did. Oh for sure. You know, he just blends in with it. And he was up there smiling the whole time. Yeah, having a blast. Ozzie's final show, which I knew that was going to be the final final, Like I knew, I said years ago, Sharon kept trying to make Ozzy retire. I'm like, if he retires, he's going to pass away. But that foto show I've seen him every year since nineteen eighty, that's the best I've heard him sound since probably the early eighties. Wow, he was so good, you know.

41:08 With the remarkable offensay honestly and for us that like, Ozzy was a huge influence on Austin, especially the Normal Tears album with Zach and to see that like a mom I'm coming home, that was very emotional, honestly. Oh, no doubt. And check this out. I saw Randy rhodes Man. You've seen everyone. Oh, I saw Ozzy three times in one year with three different guitarist. First it was Randy, than Randy passed, Pat Travers played like one gig, and then Brad Gillick came on. So that year I saw all three of them. Have you ever seen Yeah, yeah, like I've I've seen.

41:48 I've seen Ozzie every year since nineteen eighty. I've seen it all. I think Zach is the closest to Randy for sure, you know, as far as the style and how you and the relationship there too. But yeah, I mean you name it, I have seen it. I like, and I'm getting a bucket list moment at Bourbon and Beyond because Ringo Star is playing. I was a huge Beatles fan as a kid, and I'm like, oh my god, I hope. Like, there's not many times I do. I've done over three thousand music interviews. There's not many times that I'm like, oh my god, I can't believe I'm interviewing this person. I am praying that I get the interview with Ringo Starr because that will be the weirdest shit ever, Like that'll be like, that's amazing, Like, oh my god, I'm interviewing Ringo Star. I don't even know if I'll be able to talk. And so because I was a drummer when I was a kid too, and him and Peter Chris were the people that like I idolized as drummers, you know, so it'll be like, wow, you know you're I'll say to him like you're the reason I sucked at drums because I I couldn't do what you But next year, you gotta tell everybody they need to get you on that festival because you guys would fit right in.

43:13 That's amazing. Yeah, we'll talk to bumble Foot. Maybe you could put some strings or something. There you go, And I'm putting it out there right now, like this what I'm doing. Maybe Wimm will listen to this and bring it on because he is like that, you know, that runs all the festivals here in the US. He's totally like that. So there's this band, Silly Goose. Okay, they're a punk band that they did the old school punk thing. They showed up to one of the Danny Wimmer festivals and they crashed it and started playing in the parking lot, like they had a trailer. And they got in their trailer and played in the parking lot and Wimmer was out there watching and just stood there and watched. And the next day he put them on one of the real stages. Wow, like wow, you don't have ship like that happening anymore. Like it didn't.

44:05 We're located festival. Louisvilleville, Okay, oh yeah, we're Bourbon guys, so. It makes sense. Oh yeah, Well there's there's a lot of bourbon, a lot of whiskey, and a lot of doornate food, like they have celebrity chefs like your typical festival. It because you're in Bourbon country and it makes for fun interviews because a lot of times the bourbon distillers they asked me to do the interviews and have the bands taste the bourbon or the whiskey and it makes for some fun interviews for that really fun changes halfway through, like you know, it's like you have the normal party interview and then it hits halfway through the interview.

44:56 That's awesome. Well you guys rock and everybody's gonna check you out, get your new album, and uh man, I'm glad we got together because the world has now has found some hope because. Hope you that's correct, they're there, and thank you. Hope found me now that there's real musicians out in the world once again, and not AI musicians. Oh gosh, yeah, thank you so much. It's been a blast, really well. Thank you for being on the Adventures of pipe Man. Absolutely thanks for having us. Thank you for listening to the Adventures of pipe Man.

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