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right now with some killer new music
that you're going to want to check out.

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So let's welcome to the show as
the door. Hey, how's it

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going. I'm George from Mesador.
How's it going? And so? Yeah,

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I was watching your newest video.
First of all, the music's badass,

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but the video was really really cool. Can you tell me on the

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video for Umbra what that ceremony is
that is being performed in the video?

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Oh? Thank you very much.
I'm glad to hear that about the music

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and the video. Yeah, we
work on that basically trying to explore and

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to show the people the kind of
rituals that Allen Sursters doing back in our

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times in Colombia and Mexico and all
the Latin American tribes, like biking in

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one in thousand, two hundred years
ago, like they are preparing the ceremonies

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to evoke and embrace their spirits and
their ancestors and that kind of culture.

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And you know, it's cool,
and that's why it interested me because I

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have actually friends that have gone to
Columbia for different types of ceremonies. I'm

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one that like, I travel the
world and I love seeing all these different

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cultures, and I'm always curious of
the different ceremonies because you know, a

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lot of them, Like what you're
talking about is ancient, so it's not

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like something that's just done in twenty
twenty three. So it's like the history

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of our world. And you know, I think as humans we could all

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understand each other a lot better if
we understand all our histories and ceremonies and

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things like that. Yeah. Absolutely, And they have been doing this for

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many years, and we are for
getting about that kind of rituals and the

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culture. So it's very important for
us to like remember everyone and trying to

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not forget about it. And many
people come to Columbia and maybe in Mexico

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too, you have this kind of
ceremonies also in California and New Mexico text

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as too, but in a different
style. You know, everyone does in

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a different style. And for example, if you find in California you find

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peyote, do you know peyote?
Yes, for example, we have our

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own payote. The name is different, but it's the same. It's the

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same process and it's the same.
It is the same that you are doing

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with the with the medicine. You
focus like a medicine and you to renew

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your spirit and to progress to develop
the best version of yourself. Absolutely.

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You know, it's funny because there's
another band I've interviewed a couple times before

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that the person that formed the band
also owns a hyahuasca center in Costa Rica.

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It's interesting how all that kind of
stuff ties together, because, like

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you said, there's things all over
the world and they all are related and

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maybe a little bit different, but
they're still all connected. Yeah, that's

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true. So tell me you were
talking about, you know, remembering certain

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ceremonies and parts of our history and
stuff. Do you find in Colombia.

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I definitely find in the United States. But do you find Columbia that there's

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a lot less recognition of that stuff
than there has been in the past.

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Yes, absolutely, it happens everywhere
we are forgetting about our ancestors. You

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can talk about it just turning the
TV and seeing what's happening now in Israel.

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Yeah, all the war and this
kind of stuff. They're forgetting about

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their history, about the way of
living, which is totally different to that.

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Now it's all about money, it's
all about power. And in the

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back in our history it was different. It was about the power, but

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not the power of control, but
the power of letting go, the power

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of living efficiently, you know,
in peace and in harmony with each other.

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Right, you know what, because
it was about people instead of about

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people in charge. It's the best
way to put it, because as a

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Jew myself, it's horrible what's going
on Israel, and it's not anything new,

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but in some ways, like you're
pointing out who's in control of it,

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and the reason why it's happening is
new. You know. I feel

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that things that happened in history happen
for valid reasons sometimes and for you know,

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a purpose, a greater good,
and stuff like this is just never

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the greater good. Yeah, serible, Yeah, absolutely, you know.

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And there's stuff that happens all over
the world, just like what's going on

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in Ukraine. Same thing again.
And I think it's good when artists are

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putting stuff out there to remind people
of history and of customs and cultures,

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because I think we do need to
be reminded because history tends to repeat itself,

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and it'd be better if the good
parts of history would repeat themselves instead

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of just the bad. Yeah,
that's what happens. We experience that in

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the past twenty twenty two, when
we were touring in Europe with Batushka,

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we arrived right to Romania and right
in the middle of the war. You

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know, Ukraine is next to Romania, and we were able to see like

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how many people were trying to escape
and to find out and to get you

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know, a new village to live. They had nothing, they had just

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their luggage, their family maybe,
yeah, and many were alone like,

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oh I lost my family, I
lost this, I lost that, And

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it was painful because we are human
beings, you know, we don't deserve

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to experience that in this kind of
situation. No, you know, it's

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funny. I was just thinking the
other day that sometimes I think we were

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just better off way back, like
before even you and I were born,

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Like way back when life was so
much simpler. Like even I was talking

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to somebody who was like I was
talking about even going across the United States

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and think of you know that at
one point there weren't even roads, you

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know, so like you did if
you were in the quote unquote New York

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area, you wouldn't really know what
was going on in the quote unquote California

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area because you just weren't. And
sometimes that was better because I think people

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bound together more as a community,
and now with it's a shame that with

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all this technology and all these ways
to communicate and all these ways to connect,

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I think the sense of community is
less than it's ever been. Kind

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of yeah, it told makes up
nowadays. Yeah, And that's why how

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important it is music, how important
it is art mm hmm. And I

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don't know, writers, dancers,
whatever kind of art. It's very important

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for us to explore and to express
ourselves because that's the last thing we do.

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Now. We can't say anything in
social media because we will be blocked

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or we will be consured, because
now that has controlled you know exactly.

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And you're so true, And that's
why I talk about this stuff because you're

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so right on the money about art. Because they're taking art as schools,

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they're taking art away from people.
During COVID, you know, there was

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no kind of art in that way
for a couple of years. And I

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personally think that's the reason why we're
all so angry and mad at each other.

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Because art is the greatest therapy for
you as the artist, because it's

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cathartic to write a song and get
it out of you and then even perform

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that song. But even us as
the listener, you know, your your

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words help us through times that we
need the help and things that we can

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relate to. And every person face
the earth can take any music and kind

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of put their own interpretation to relate
to it to help them through things.

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Yeah, definitely, we have to
endure and overcome this kind of situation as

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an artist and then and be together. That's why when I when I see,

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for example, another band like being
rude with each other and fighting each

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other, that's ridiculous because out of
the same thing, we are music,

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we are metal or whatever, and
we should be together to be stronger.

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It's supposed music is supposed to be
the great united and it is. And

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so I agree with you, like
artists should just be able to express themselves

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and get along with each other.
They don't have to be on the same

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page. Since when does the you
know, the whole political thing of being

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on a side enter art. You
know, of course people have political opinions

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and artists speak out about it.
But I can speak out and you can

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speak out, and we can speak
different things and not be destructive to each

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other. Yeah. Yeah, absolutely. We can choose to like the day

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or you can choose to like the
night, and it will be okay,

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whatever you prefer. It doesn't have
to be this way. Absolutely, And

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so that's why I kin'd of going
back to the beginning. That's why I

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was like digging that video because it
just it hammered that point home of you

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know, let's look at our ancestry
and see how we can all just get

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along and be one people, human
people. Yes, that's right, and

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that's the important thing, and that's
the message we're trying to to announce to

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everyone, and not to convince,
but to let them know that, yeah,

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you express yourself. You express yourself. We take it the way we

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want to take it, and we
all can learn from each other. How

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about the new one you're releasing on
the thirty first, tell us about that

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one. Oh yeah, that's one
of my favorite songs all time, very

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catchy. It's called fire above Montain
Below, which means in a very ancient

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book back in China, they write
about something called the e Ching, which

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is a book which helps you explore
the future, you know, like a

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like divination or fortune teller nowadays.
Back but it was the very first one

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occultism book that provides that kind of
approach to know about the future. So

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it works, it works like throwing
some coins and it will tell you what

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what, what's what's coming on the
next days, or on the next weeks

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or on the next months for example. So Fire above Mountain Below is one

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of that message and it is it
is, it's all. It talks about

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how you you have to overcome this
kind of situation to improve yourself and to

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travel because there's no longer a safe
place in the place you are currently and

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you know, so fire above Monty
Below, it's it's a called to travel,

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to go away from where you are. Well, I'm all about that.

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I travel all the time and like
getting away from where I am sometimes.

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Yeah, So tell everybody how they
can reach out to you, guys

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on socials, on your link tree
on the web. But how they can

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check out all the new music,
buy merch and all that good stuff.

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Yeah, we are all about in
social media everywhere and Estra dur e s

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h you have you have to write
verds and next the estador dot com our

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web page and we are on Facebook, YouTube, Twitter, Instagram and we

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have band camp. Also we are
titled Spotify whatever. Everywhere you can stream

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our albums or our songs and you
can download it for free if you want,

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and you can pay for that if
you wish. Our latest album from

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the Avis it is sold out,
but we are thinking about releasing another track

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on that and waiting for the next
album twenty twenty four. Nice. Well,

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everybody definitely needs to check out your
music because besides everything we talked about,

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it's just really great musicianship. Dig
the songs you guys have And thanks

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for being on the Adventures of pipe
Man. Thank you very much, Dan,

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it has been a pleasure. Have
a great one and happy to you

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anytime soon. Absolutely, thank you
for listening to the Adventures of Pipelin.

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