PipemanRadio Interviews Rock Against Racism at Aftershock 2023

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Radio. And I'm here with Christian Vancott

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from Rock Against Racism. Nice,
I love what you do. Let's tell

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everybody else what you do. So
here at Aftershock we are actually doing an

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activation which is the combination of visual
art and music musicians who come out and

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support Rock against Race, which is
very similar, almost identical to what the

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original organization did fifty years ago in
the UK. Yeah. I was going

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to ask about that too, like, so do you feel that it's making

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even more of an impact now than
it was then, because maybe now we

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might be a little more mature about
this crap and stop hating everybody. I

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hope one day. I definitely think
that the topic is more on people's minds

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just because news in general is so
much more accessible. But the reason why

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this organization was relaunched was because of
what happened in the summer of twenty twenty

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and following the Georgia Floyd event and
the summer protest, and we just you

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know, reached out into to the
old organizers who are in their late seventies

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and it had gone quiet for a
little bit, and we saw what they

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were doing then, which was grassroots, you know, grassroots organization using the

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voices of visual artists and musical artists
in a way that seems to have not

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been around for a few decades or
you know, maybe twenty years. And

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so we've done some cool stuff.
We were at Bourbon and Beyond. We

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were at Louder than Life. At
Bourbon and Beyond, we had a major

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painter come and activate at the booth. We pair them with musicians. The

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musicians and the visual artists work together
create a painting. Miles Regis was actually

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the painter who was at Bourbon and
Beyond. He's from Trinidad. His work

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sell for fifty to seventy grand and
hang in the Getty and he was willing

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to come out and use his visual
voice. I love hearing that. Yeah.

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And then the following week in it
Louder than Life, we had Prime,

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who's the og graffiti writer of La
graffiti come out and do a activation

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with Corey Taylor Wow, and they
created four panel painting based on Corey's album

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We Are the Rest. Corey got
his hands dirty, grab some paint,

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wrote the lyrics and some other cool
pieces of design onto the art itself and

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they'll be auctioned off to benefit Rock
agnst Racism. That is so cool.

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So it seems like a lot of
artists are really into this absolutely, and

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you know, that's what we're in
a phase of is finding more and more

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artists across more and more genres of
music. We love this genre here at

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Aftershock because it's a very inclusive group
of people. We've got merchandise, they're

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wearing it proudly, they're taking stickers
and sticking them all over that you know,

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their their stuff, and just a
great crowd. And Danny Wimmer,

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you know, has been an amazing
you know, supporter of what we're doing.

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I think that's one thing first of
all that's really cool about Danny Wimmer.

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I mean, puts on great festivals, but there's always these elements at

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the festivals that it's not just about
the music, it's about being a human

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being and helping the world. Absolutely. I mean, he does it better

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than most. My god, I
mean, artists for Trauma here, rock

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against Racism is here, punk rock
and paint brushes has been here in the

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past. And you know, again, it's really about using the voices of

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musicians beyond what they sing to reach
the public and tell them what, you

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know, maybe we should be thinking, not just singing along to And you

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know what bothers me is like,
you have these people out there. I've

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heard it at different shows and stuff
where they're like yelling at the artists because

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they're talking like happens a lot with
Chad from mud Vain and they're like,

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judge pluy your music, Like,
if you have the stage to be able

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to spread a positive, uniting message, why shouldn't you well, And you

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know, it's really funny because when
we talk to artists, they really have

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to consider, you know, what
they're saying, because with social media and

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the way people twist what people say, you know, so all of a

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sudden you're being held up in a
way that you didn't mean. Right.

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I really think it's the courageous artists, both you know, visual and musical,

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who don't care and they say this
is wrong. I'm going to stand

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up for it. That's a great
point. Yeah, And Corey Taylor has

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been amazing with that. He's a
perfect example. He's exactly who I was

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thinking, because he's the type that
like, he doesn't care what anybody says.

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Nope, he's going to be true
to himself and his beliefs. He's

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got an amazing perspective on it.
And you know, here at After Shock,

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we were really fortunate because Jose Pisea
of Incibus, he's an artist.

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People don't know it, and he
did a whole new color of a print

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that he had sold out years ago
just for us to promote here. He

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autographed them yesterday. There's twenty available
in the booth, limited edition. That's

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it, and all the money goes
to supporting you know, education and music

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education and places where they can't afford
it. Support music Cares, who does

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things, from musicians and their crew
and everybody in bad times. When twenty

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twenty eight was here, they you
know, supported musicians and their crew when

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they couldn't tour. So we really
like, you know, support them right

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back. We need you. I'm
in South Florida. We need you to

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come to Florida because of our idiot
that he like promotes it not only racism,

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but anti Semitism, Like, so
I'm a Jew and like we had

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a National Hate Day this year,
Like what the hell world are we living

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in? And there were not Neo
Nazis sitting outside temples in Boca Raton like

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harassing Jews. Nobody did anything.
It's crazy, I mean, especially in

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Florida. Right, Yah, I'm
from the Northeast myself. You know,

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that's where all good Jews and Italians
go, right Florida. It's weird because

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I'm from New York and New Jersey
too, and I go to Florida.

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I'm like, what are wrong?
What's wrong with these Jews here? Because

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it is funny. It's like something
happens they come down there and it's like

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they don't even care. I've actually
gotten into discussions with people and they don't

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want to get involved them. But
you're the one that should get involved.

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And that's what you said. To
your point, these musicians that are getting

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involved, they are courageous because listen, they could jeopardize their whole career over

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it, absolutely, you know,
And that's a shame because in twenty twenty

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three, we shouldn't have to be
talking about racism still well, and think

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about back to the time when you
had Neil Young and Bob Dylan and all

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those great artists that were speaking out
against war, and they were speaking out

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against every kind of thing going on. I mean, it's interesting because some

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of the artwork that's in our booth
here at the show is from the original

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movement. And Sid Shelton, who's
an eighty two year old photographer still alive,

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sent us a bunch of his work, a bunch of the posters from

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the magazine that they did in those
days. And again it was visual artists

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and musical artists in some little bunker
creating this stuff, raising a little money,

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making more, you know, posters
and things to get out there and

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get the word out. And you'd
think fifty years later we wouldn't be here,

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but here we are, and thank
god for people like Corey Taylor and

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the artists that you know are willing
to put their voices to it, the

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you know, the painters, the
graffiti artists, the photographers. It's amazing.

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And we have some of the original
the Clash and Elvis Costello work that's

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not sitting there and it looks like
what we're doing here today, So you

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know, something's changed and something's stay
the same, right, And that's why

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the education is so important, because
we teach hate. Like I have two

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grandchildren that are half Blahemian. Wow, they have no clue that they're you

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know, somebody's not supposed to be
nice to them, or they're not supposed

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to be nice to somebody because of
skin color. Yeah, someday they may

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get taught that unfortunately, which is
why an organization like yours is so important

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because I hope my grandchildren can grow
up in a time where they don't have

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to worry about that. Well,
you know, I absolutely share your sentiment.

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I have kids and they don't see
color the way some of the older

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but they get it, taught it, and that is exactly the message.

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We want to teach something else.
You know, let's teach something else,

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and we need everybody's voice to do
it. Absolutely. And you know it's

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funny. I travel the world.
You got other countries and there's like different

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viewpoints. I even have friends of
mine that they're like, when I go

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to the UK, they don't see
a colored man, they see just a

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man. Yeah, and then I
come home and I'm getting harassed try and

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come back in my own country well, you know, And at some point,

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I think it has to do with
economics, because when you're in countries

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that have social democracies and everybody has
healthcare, everybody you know, has some

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support, it's not such a competitive
landscape where you've got to put somebody else

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down so that you can survive.
That's something I think this country has to

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work on, because you know,
I mean, I'm Italian and just a

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couple of generations ago, my family
couldn't get jobs in Brooklyn, New York,

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you know, And I can't imagine
what it's like when you can't hide

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behind your ethnicity, can hide behind
the color of your skin, but when

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it can't, then you're really,
you know, fighting a fight. And

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to be blunt, I'll say people
are actually stupid because I'm an Italian Jew.

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And you know how many times in
my life people will say, you

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can't be Italian, You're a Jew? Like what is wrong with you?

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That even crosses their head? Just
blows my mind. I know, I

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know, And we are supposed to
be the great American melting pot right right

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exactly, but we've got walls up. It's corners of the country now,

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you know, once you're in da
da da dah, it's I don't know,

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but I am hopeful for the future. I am hopeful that we can

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make a difference. I think this
younger generation, like I take my youngest

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daughter, she's the example of that
generation that hate no one, love everybody,

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none of that crap. And hopefully
that'll stick because it seems like that

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generation is just so fed up enough
with the rest of us that they're actually

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being loud about it instead of getting
subdued. And you know, I think

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about you laugh, the hippies or
the sixties are now the boomers, absolutely,

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But we want what we need from
these kids, though, is we

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need them to be getting into politics. Like if you look at politics right

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now, I don't see anybody under
the age of sixty five. I talk

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about this all the time. Oh
my god, I can't vote for any

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of them. I don't care as
what they do with what party, what.

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There's a seventy eighty year old person
have any relevance to now or to

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future tomorrow. I know, and
you know, the way I think about

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it, I think like I'm voting
for my condo commando president, Like do

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I want that person as president of
the country. Like it's I even say,

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even my age isn't even appropriate.
I think the perfect age right now

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for a president would be thirty five
to forty five period. Yep, forty

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five I'll take because at least they've
been around a little bit. I mean,

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I saw this kid out in the
pit out here at this festival and

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he had a shirt on, one
of those classic voting shirts and it says

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I'm voting for and then it said
anyone under sixty five, and I was

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like, oh my god, that's
hysterical that we're actually printing these. Oh

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I would wear that shirt in that
hearts out man, you do. It's

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I just don't even know what's going
on right now, Like, how did

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this happen that all of a sudden
you have to be seventy plus to run

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for president? Well, because you
know, there are things in place that

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prevent people who should be there to
be there, right they don't want to

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let go of what they have,
but you know what, you're not going

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to be here well exactly. And
all that they're doing right there right now

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is fighting against the other side.
So if you're in power, the other

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side makes it so you can't be
effective, and then they win. And

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then the other side goes back and
says, Okay, we're not going to

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let you be effective, and who
suffers? But the American public absolutely one

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hundred percent. How do people reach
out to you besides coming to a festival,

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connect with you, help the organization
do their part everything. So we

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have a great Instagram site at Rock
Against Racism, which is a great place

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to find out what we're doing,
where we're activating, and items you can

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buy or music you can listen to
that supports the organization. Also, we

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have a website, rockagainst Racism dot
com. Look for us out there in

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the world at music festivals and art
festivals and online. Well, I love

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that you're doing. We need it
more than ever, and we need more

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than ever people to join forces with
you and help Let's rock against racism.

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Let's rock. Thanks for being on
the Adventures pipe Man, Thanks for having

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me. Thank you for listening to
the Adventures of Pipemin on w for CUI Radio.