Oct. 14, 2024

PipemanRadio Interviews Simon Says at Aftershock 2024

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Pipeman talks with Simon Says again at Aftershock 2024 on The Pipeman Radio Tour.

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Zach from Simon says, how you doing.

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Oh, I'm doing amazing because you're here at after Shock.

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Yes for a shock badass.

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This is amazing. Yes, And I can.

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Tell you I think I've only seen Mike wear two

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or three band shirts ever.

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Yeah, and today he's wearing your shirt. He is.

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I couldn't believe it.

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He's wearing a shirt that he got from our label,

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like twenty years ago.

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Is that amazing cool?

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I was like, Wow, that's awesome.

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Yea.

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So speaking of which, yeah, how cool is that? Like

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twenty year hiayus for real? Right?

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And here you are at after Shock.

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I'll be honest with you, like this was I mean

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a year ago when we kind of regrouped.

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This was not on the radar. I had no idea,

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you know, and we.

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Just got to go to the We're like, oh well,

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let's try to see if we can get our because

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our record was never released online, and when we parted

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ways with the label that we were on twenty years ago,

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oh four, it was like the internet wasn't what it

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is now, right, you know, phones weren't world totally different world, right,

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So our record was kind of lost in that transition

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from CDs and media to digital, and since we weren't,

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we didn't have relationship with the label anymore.

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I think it was like no pay no mind, you

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know what I mean. So when we finally.

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About a year ago, got it, got it re released,

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they were really cool and they were worked it out

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and they re released both of our albums, and then

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it's just weird. A year from now, from a year

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from that, we're playing Aftershock and it's just amazing, Like

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this is it's been really cool year.

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It's your hometown show.

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Yeah, and since Sacramento, which is our hometown, right, yeah.

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Speak of like shirts took a I think you have

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some of the coolest shirts in your merch store.

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Oh, thank you.

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I'm going to give myself credit for that, Thank you

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very much. I was the merch guy.

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Yeah.

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One of them had the Sacramento in there.

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Yeah, that Harley Davidson one.

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Yah, yeah yeah that one was cool. Yeah.

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Yeah, they're I think people need to go to your mercht,

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yes is what I'm saying, or they can't listen to

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my show.

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Well, they can go to Simon says merch dot com

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and order whatever you want.

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We got lots to choose from.

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Yeah, so that twenty year hiatus, Yeah, basically you all

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grew up over twenty years, big time. Totally different story

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now as a band, I would think, right, yeah.

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When we kind of span a little bit on it.

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So like basically what happened was like just what you

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probably already would imagine. Like we were young at about

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when we about two thousand and one, two thousand and two,

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we were all of twenty three, twenty four years old,

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and it was kind of weird. Our album, our second

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album on the label we were on, Hollywood Records, came

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out in like late July of one. A month later,

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we were what they call sheld where they were not

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going to put any more money into the album. They

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felt like we wanted to go back and make another one.

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so what was really strange was like, at a total coincidence,

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we were in this weird spot of like we're kind

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of in limbo lamb with the label. Nine to eleven happened,

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so no one knows what's going on, right, everybody's kind

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of panicked and shook up, and it was like we

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went to war, and so everything kind of changed and

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our attention just kind of just fell by the wayside,

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you know, and it happens, it happens, you know. Yeah,

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so the band kind of that we just we disbanded.

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We just kind of said, you know, look, we've given

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it as far as we can take it, but we're

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never gonna be able to make up this kind of

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deficit with unless we get either.

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On another label or whatever.

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And so I think we were emotionally spent at that point. Yeah,

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and so we kind of disbanded and then we didn't

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really talk much. Like Matt the singer and I are

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still to this day best friends.

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And that's good to hear.

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Oh yeah, we're all. We're everybody's cool. We just you know,

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kind of went on to do our own things, and

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you get busy.

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You're an adult.

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We're all like twenty four to twenty five years old

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that point.

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By the time we got it all worked out and

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off the label, and you know, it takes time, and

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then like it was, look, you know, we've got to

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figure this out, you know, and.

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What are you gonna do?

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So anyway, fast forward about twenty twenty or so, Matt

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had brought it up to me and a couple of

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the other guys and then we kind of got around

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a jamming, but we didn't really get it. We didn't

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really like make any moves on it until a couple

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years later, and we was like, why don't we just

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do this? Is like fun and no one cares, and

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we're all grown out of like being uptight about everything,

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you know.

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And being like, okay, so I know when I was

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that age, I was an arrogant, cocky phok.

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Yeah, man, I think now there's not a lot of expectation.

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For instance, like we don't you know, I would love

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to do this as my livelihood, but I'm not, like

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you know, I mean, I have other things I do

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for my livelihood Musically, so Simon says, is like a gift. Honestly,

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it's a gift, like the fact that we got to

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do what we did back then, still have a reputation

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and fans, and then just get to pick up and

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regroup and then here we are, like really, I.

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Mean after I mean there's.

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Friends.

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Yeah, it's like there's work involved, but it's like it's

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all good, like we're it's really a gift, Like I

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feel like I'm lucky to be here, Like no one

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gets to do what we're doing, especially not after a

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twenty year break.

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Yeah.

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I love hearing that too, because you would never if

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somebody had said to you twenty years ago you'd be

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playing after Shock twenty twenty four, you probably would have

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not been your out of your fucking moment and not

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in Simon said, so yeah, yeah, I mean, because it's

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like I do music for a living, but most of

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my living is done in a studio.

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I do a lot of hip hop stuff like that.

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So it's like this is pure candy. This is like

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a gift, you know, like to play guitar with the

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Simon says, we started when I was fifteen. I've known

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all these guys since sophomore year of high school, and

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it's just strange, like we're like here we are, so

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there's no we have nothing to lose, like, yeah, you know,

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so it's like who cares that?

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Fun Yeah exactly.

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Well it's funny because that's kind of how Stone Sour

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came about because I was there ray May Orgon Ray

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May on the tour bus when they first came back out.

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He's like, yeah, basically, just Corey and I just wanted

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to jam. We didn't want to do anything with it.

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We just wanted to jam and have fun. And we

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were having a good time playing at little clubs and

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you know, and that and then all of a sudden, boom, Yeah,

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there it is.

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I just think it's weird, Like I'm just thankful that,

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Like I think, what what for us? You could imagine

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like in that gap time period not having albums online

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made us kind of anonymous, like out of sight, out

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of mind. Yeah, And I think even to ourselves it

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was that way. It was like, oh, that was part

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of our past, and you know, what are we gonna do?

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And everybody's off doing their life now and should get everything.

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Regroup would be such a hard thing. Not really once

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everybody was like yeah, I'm down. It just kicked in

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and it worked, and I just, like I said, I

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think everything that we.

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Get, you know, to do is is just lucky.

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I think I think the no pressure part of it,

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the no key other people involved, is what keeps you

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guys friends and make it heavy fun. Yeah, it's all

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that other bullshit that makes the business not fun totally.

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I can remember being like really uptight when like back

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in the day, like just because you know, you're young

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and everything is times ten yeah, and you're super sensitive

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and you're trying to hype your band and it's all

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this stuff and it's but I don't know.

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I look back on it and I go, we were kids.

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We were kids. You know, it's like weird and you

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don't think you are right that No, not at all.

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I thought I was, you know, I know what I'm doing,

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you know exactly. I'm twenty two. I know what I'm doing.

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It's like when I talked to my kids and it's like, yeah,

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I was like that with my dad too, and you'll

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find out.

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Yeah, I just in fact, I just had a son

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about a year and a half ago, and it's like, oh,

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total total trip, yeah, total trip.

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Yeah, Now that's what that brings you to a whole

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different world.

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Oh yeah, I mean this is the first show I've

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ever had uh my like a son or daughter I

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don't have, he's only got one, so as the first

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time ever had my kids at the show.

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Like, that's whatever, which is cool. I was like, this

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is really strange.

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And it is kind of cool.

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Yeah, it's cool, man OOSI what's up?

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Nice?

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Yeah?

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Man? So and then you guys wrote new music.

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We got new music.

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Yeah, we have a new album coming out next year

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and we have a new song called Across the Fire

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that'll be released in about a month.

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And it's awesome.

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In fact, I feel like the new record sounds basically

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like a combination of Jumpstart and Shut your Breath. And

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it's heavy, but it's like super melodic, a lot of singing,

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big choruses, arena rock shit.

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I love it.

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Yeah.

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So did you feel any difference writing with the guys now?

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You know what what I like.

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Now is like unlike before where we would really a

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lot of times jam it out in the room, you know. Yeah,

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but now, because like fast forward twenty years and all

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the things you can do with technology and stuff, we're

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all able to like we all write so like all

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of us are able to write and then demo stuff

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so easily on our phones are on you know, a

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little laptop or whatever, and then send it to each

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other so we can kind of get a head start

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so so much further, and then when we get in

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the room, it kind of like is almost like the

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last thirty percent, you know what I mean. So it's

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really cool, like and we never have to do that.

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So it's like to us, this is like new again, you.

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Know, so say and that's the key too, like feeling

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that new again, because when you're a band, no matter

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how long you've been around, it's it's like so many

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things in life you're looking to recapture that oh yeah,

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whole feeling.

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Yeah, it can get redundant and get like you start

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writing the same song a few times, you know, and stuff,

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but you.

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Got to keep that fresh. You gotta keep that. You

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got to.

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I always tell people, like there's this guy who's a

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clothing designer and his name is Virgil Albro, and he

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always said, like I do everything for the seventeen year

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old's version of myself, you know, and you have to

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do that, like you have to, like rock and rolls

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about being a kid.

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Being like, screw you.

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You know what I mean, I'm gonna know what I

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want and so you have to remember that totally.

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Absolutely kids know and then you know you have so

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much more experience that. Oh yeah, the writing process, I

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think and playing even it's different because when you're younger,

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you think you're great, and now you know that you

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needed a lot of work then and you've done that

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work throughout.

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Absolutely.

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I think it also like the time and you're and

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of course you know, maturing an age and stuff. Just

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it gave at least for me, it gave me a

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little bit more, like you said earlier, like confidence to

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kind of not care, like I don't care. I don't

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care what the A and R guy says, I don't

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care what and this is for me.

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This is for us, and that's it.

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And the more that attitude sunk in, the better it's gotten.

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So it's kind of weird.

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The funny thing is is it's like you're finally an

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artist now, whereas back then more of a puppet than

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an artist.

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But you almost like your partners because you're working with

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a bunch of partners. You know, Yeah, I've invested, you know,

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in you and so and now it's like, yeah, I

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don't I could do whatever I want.

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Yeah, and you can truly be a creative artists opposed

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to having some record label say no, you need to

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do it this way exactly. Yeah, and you do it

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because you feared that's the only thing you can.

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You try to play ball and you're working with your partners.

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But then at the end of the day, you're right,

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Like the artist knows what's best for the artists.

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I say that all the time, like I'm a business person,

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but I'm also a creative. They're two different people, and

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I don't think the business people should be telling the artists.

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Oh man, amen to that. I'll tell you what. The

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one thing I learned this.

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Is absolutely is like I thought, I like because I

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was the guy in the band that was like the

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point person, and you know, I get all the calls

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and this and that, and I thought like, Okay, well,

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I guess that's my role. But I realized, like I'm

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not good at it. I'm not I thought I was,

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and I'm not. In fact, I belong nowhere near that stuff.

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That's what also happened. I should just get old to

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being a guitar player and writing this stuff and let

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the people that we work with handle that shit, because like,

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even though I'm capable, I'm not.

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It's like a difference between being capable and being the

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one that should be able to It's like that.

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Book, you know, putting the right people in the right

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seats on the bus. That's how a company works, That's

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how a good partnership works.

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And I didn't, you know.

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I was a kid, so I was like, well, I

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could do everything. And now I'm like, no, I do

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this really well. So you do that, you know, and

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that's how it should be exactly.

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Yeah, But I didn't know that then.

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So we know, none of us do we all think

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we know?

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Everage twenty years to learn it, you know, exactly, and

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lucky you learned it that soon.

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Absolutely right.

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I tend to take the long way around.

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Well there you go. Well you're here at after Shock.

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Now we're exactly bad.

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We're here.

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Who cares?

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Man? I love it. Thank you, thanks for being on

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the Adventures pipe Man. Appreciate it.

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Thank you so much.

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You got it. Thank you for listening to the Adventures

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of Fate Man. I'm w for CUI Radio.

PipemanRadio Interviews Simon Says at Aftershock 2024

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