Remembering Rhett Forrester with Rob Robbins: Unearthing Lost Tracks and Discussing Rock Legacy

0:19 This is the Pipe Man here on the Adventures of Pipe Man W4CY radio. And I'm here with our next guest who I'm really excited about this interview for a very good reason. Uh, and, uh, I've talked to half of this duo before, but we have Rob Robbins here talking about the release of remembering Rhett Forrester. And that's why I'm excited because I so love riot during the Rhett Forrester days. In fact, I was just listening to restless breed the other day before I even scheduled this interview. Like, it's like my go-to for, I don't know, 40 years or something like that.

1:04 You know, that's pretty much their best right there. I think, Oh, unbelievable. And I have a whole crap load or albums. Like I have the albums, you know, and you know, that one right there, I can listen to that from front to back over and over and over again. And, he did have such a great voice. Like there's something about his voice on that album that just unbelievable. Well, just speaking with him about his voice, he always said that his biggest influence were biggest influences were Paul Rogers and Steven Tyler. And a lot of people, a lot of people incorporated some Coverdale in there with, with, with, with stuff. But, It's definitely Paul Rogers and Steven Tyler.

1:52 Those are the two big ones for him. That makes sense because I think if you put those two in a funnel, that's kind of what his voice sounded like. Exactly. Yep. You know, so that's kind of wild because I never really thought about it until you just said it. And as soon as you said it, it's like he had. The harmonic of like Paul Rogers with the like raspiness of Steven Tyler. Yeah, but he also did those screams. Yes. The real high stuff like Steven Tyler. Totally. And the soulfulness of like Paul Rogers. Right. So that's where it all. Came together right there. And that's what he always used to say to me all the time. That were his two biggest influences.

2:38 Wow. And so tell our listeners why now? Like you have some unreleased stuff. Why now? Well, it's, this actually has been sitting on the shelf for quite a few years. Right. We recorded this, we recorded this back in COVID times. And, uh, and these two tracks came together because, uh, we were originally going to put it on the release that we had that came out with the session years and, and, uh, uh, the Canadian years and, and whatever one that we first released.

3:23 And then the complete Dr. Dirty sessions, uh, was a whole next level from there. And so in the early stages, I said, well, wouldn't it be cool if we did a couple covers and had a guest vocalist, like sing on, on these songs and, and, and added into the project. And the, the, the way the continuity of it would have been was not, they wanted to focus just on Rhett on those particular releases instead of having a guest vocalist in there at the same time. So that's when they, we compiled everything. Together that we, that I have, whatever I had left in the archives is what came out. Nice. And then, and then Giles and myself, Giles Lavery from Brave Words, we, we came up with the idea of having that. And I said, you know, who would be really, really great for this?

4:22 And he goes, absolutely. David Reese. And I, I was like, well, that works. Cause I remember David, like even long time ago when he first did the accept cake, like a long, long time ago. Right. Right. Um, and that, that all seemed to jive and work. And, uh, he, so, he approached David and David said, sure. So, and then we took, while I was recording, re-recording a lot of this, the beds and all that stuff for the other release, I got my, my drummer and bass player and everybody, Rod Elbin on bass and Brink and Tony on the drums that played on those stuff.

5:06 I said, let's, we got to do these two songs. And so Giles and myself kind of we were throwing songs back and forth because I had covered some of the riot stuff with Rhett when we would play live. And then, and I had never played restless breed with him. I did play, play, assume the position with him. I did, but, uh, but that, and you know, it's wild. Assume the position, uh, just had a groove to it. And when, whenever we were playing, you could see the girls dancing and do it, do it, everything. They were just like getting into it. So that was a, that was a good choice. And then we, we were thinking about this stuff and I, and I was like, one of my favorite songs is restless breed.

5:54 Like that did with, with riot. So I was like, I think we should do that one. Yeah. And so why did you never do that before? Uh, what that song with that song? Yeah. Particularly. Um, Well, we were writing and coming up with new songs at the time, and there was only a few things that we did cover. We did Hard Lovin' Man. Love that song. And then we did some of the solo stuff that he had released. And then we peppered those in with the songs that we were writing at the time that are on the recordings that you hear on the releases.

6:41 So that was never really kind of worked out. And the time that we did play live in 1992 up in Canada, and the picture that's in the back with the three of us back there, that is actually from the live recording in Red Deer, Alberta, of all things. Wow. That's a good cleanup of the picture and everything. That looks really good. But yeah, it was very short-lived, our lifespan, because we were all living in Alberta. And then we decided to flip the switch and we all moved to Los Angeles.

7:26 The three of us, anyway. The drummer that we had, he stayed in Calgary. But Scott Gaines, myself, and Rhett, uh, moved down to California because Scott was from California. And then we kind of based out of there for the, the first part of 1993. And that's when we were, did some more recording at clear Lake audio and, uh, and did, and did more songs. We did four or five more songs in the studio down there. And we had done four in Canada. Nice. And, you know, every time I talk to Canadian musicians, I'm like, how come all the greatest musicians come from Canada?

8:10 And it's always like, it's not a lot of people. Like there's so many bands out of Canada that are even three trios that sound like they're nine people. Yeah. Yeah. Triumph rush. Yeah. A lot of those bands. Like, yeah, there's a, there's a, like a shit ton of, of really great bands out of Canada that were never able to break across the border. Like, some relatively did, like, April Wine, you know, or Trooper did, like, for, like, one song, you know. There's that aspect of the Canadian content, so they call it, right, that we get peppered on our radio station. So, like, we get the Bryan Adams, the Loverboy, you know, April Wine, and then the slew of Canadian bands. For instance, like, the Tragically Hip. were massive up here in Canada, but didn't really hit in the States hard.

9:12 That's so weird to me. They were playing Maple Leaf Gardens in Toronto, selling it out in 20 minutes, but they couldn't even. Sell out the Whiskey A Go-Go in LA. That's so weird to me, because I know them as a pretty big band, and I'm in the States, so it's so weird that others don't. It depends on where you are. If you're close to the border, it's more like that. A lot of the border towns, because they get the crossover from radio stations, even from Canada or whatever it is. I don't know how it all geographically works. It's weird because Canadian bands don't seem to get the break. like American bands get for the releases in Canada in a sense as well. Right.

10:06 There seem to be like some kind of. Way that American bands were still able to get played up here, but yet Canadian bands were, kind of pigeonholed the stage. That's so weird. I wonder why that happened. I just actually caught April Wine and Triumph recently doing media coverage at one of their shows near me recently. Down in Seminole? Yeah, I'm in South Florida, so it was down here. It was actually, I think, at the West Palm Beach Amphitheater. The I Think Amphitheater is where it was at, I think. Maybe it was at the you know what it was at the seminal hard rock casino yeah that is where it was and what a great show and i saw triumph at the 1983 us festival right which always blew my mind because that was heavy metal day and i and i never understood why and i liked triumph but i never understood why triumph was on heavy metal day but you know it was a different time then where you know You had to stick in some other bands because there weren't really that many heavy metal bands that could play at the festival.

11:18 Well, the promoter was was Triumph was one of his favorite bands. So there you go. And they made a deal. The guy, the dude that created the Apple, the Apple computer. Oh, OK. Yeah. Yeah. He his favorite band was Triumph and they got invited down and they accepted. That's so wild. they did good. They did really good. Oh yeah. I was there. The crowd was loving it. And I'll tell you what, when I saw him recently, his voice was still bad-ass. Like, like you don't always get that. Like, you know, after many years, things happen to your voice, you know, and you can't hit certain notes anymore, but man on point, like, like none of that time happened.

12:08 I know, Rick. And I remember when he told me when he retired, like quite a few years ago, he's like, Rob, I finally retired. So I'm done doing the live thing. And I was like, wow, really? Okay. You know, enjoy your retirement. Then he was able to get coaxed out from playing. And I've met Gil quite a few times. And he's, he was always a cool dude and it, it did take them a little bit to get back into shape, but they, they did do it, you know? Oh yeah. And Brent and Todd and, and, you know, I've played in bands with both those guys, Phil, Phil, and we never played in a band together, but we've known each other for decades.

12:53 So I imagine the Canadian community is smaller. So you do know each other more like here. Like, I was in L.A. in the 80s. So, like, the L.A. Bands had a community, but it didn't mix with New York bands. Like, I'm originally from New York and New Jersey. Like, the New York bands didn't really mix in L.A. It's like the hip-hop thing, dude. It's like hip-hop and rap. Totally. There was. And then even in the punk movement, there was New York hardcore and L.A. Hardcore. Yep. I know. Yep. Because I remember I was a teenager and that tattoo was very popular. I'm like, well, if I get, I have to get both of them because I'm really from both scenes.

13:40 There you go. But yeah, when I saw this. We still played on the same circuit in Toronto for our entire careers early on. And then when everybody started moving on, doing their other things, that we kind of shifted out of what we. called the gas works days you. Know oh my god i i always say that maybe it's because your weather's so horrible out there that you have plenty of time to practice. That's true doing that doing that making babies. Right totally oh my god i know like the coldest I ever felt ever in my life.

14:26 And I grew up in cold weather. So it's not like, you know, I grew up in California or Florida was at Niagara falls on new years. Like I'm somebody that never taps out. Like I have serious FOMO and I've been at time square new years freezing for like 16 hours suffering because time squaring that great on new years, as people think like, I did it on the millennium. Like my wife wanted to do it for many years. I'm like, I'm not going to time square. That's tourist shit. You know? And it's not fun. So I surprised her and took her on the millennium. But then the very next year I took her to Niagara falls with my kids. And she was in shock because a half an hour before midnight, I was like, I'm tamping out, man. I don't want to deal with this anymore. And she was like shocked. Cause that's not me.

15:18 But anyway, It was so freezing. And with the mist from the falls, it made it worse. It was like, oh, this is a whole nother level of cold. I've even been to Sweden and stuff and it's still colder. My coldest memory is Niagara Falls. Just go to Winnipeg. Yeah. Let me tell you, that is cold. Winnipeg, Regina, like that right in the middle of there where the polar vortex comes down. Oh, yeah. It's right in the middle. Dude, that is bone-chilling cold. You go outside for a couple minutes and your skin is already frostbitten.

16:01 You're over it. I have this close friend. She lives up in Calgary and she's always trying to get me to go up there, especially during the winter. I'm like, I don't think I want to come there during the winter. It's okay when a Chinook goes through because then it's not so bad, but When we were recording and finishing up the first demos with Rhett, we were in Calgary and it was getting into wintertime. And that's when we decided to get the hell out of there because. It was cold. And it was the coldest street that it had been in years, the winter of 92, months of like minus 50.

16:48 You know, like it was crazy. Yeah. We were like, I don't got to go. We're going to California. Right. Right. Like she'll call me and she'll say like, it's minus 20 or something. I'm like, Oh yeah, I'm sitting on my balcony on my Island in Florida. And, uh, it's kind of a little too hot right now. I think I might go inside in the air conditioner, you know, cause you got bust. I bust all my New Jersey people's chops during the winter too. Like, it's like, they're complaining about blizzard i'm like oh yeah good for you uh i'm gonna go surfing today have a nice time well. I'm used to certain things too because i do do uh work with maxi priests and stuff like that too right and i'm in jamaica a lot of the time so and i had just done a stint in in vegas with a show down there and that was hot like you know how vega vegas is like gets over the top hot and, and Jamaica is kind of steady.

17:46 Jamaica is almost. Like how Hawaii is like, it's got a steady, steady temperature, you know, that, that, that thing. And it's, it's hot and humid, but you know, if you're, if you're into that, that's, that's. That's, it took me many years to even get used to it. I, like I live in South Florida. I've hated it here. And recent in recent years, I think in my fifties, man, Like, I'm like, OK, I like this better now. I used to hate it. Like, but now it's like I'm so used to it or because I'm in my 50s, like it's, you know, my blood's thinned out. Maybe I feel it more. But it you know, what's strange, though, is like I go on tour and I do music festivals all over North America, you know, UK and Europe. Every place I've been this whole summer has been hotter than Florida. Like, I remember saying, like, I can't wait to get home to Florida to cool off, and nobody ever says that.

18:48 Yeah, there's times. When Chicago and New York are, like, scorching hot and humid, too. I'm in Brantford, Ontario, right in the middle of the Great Lakes, so I'm not far from Buffalo, right across the lake from Erie, Pennsylvania. You know, it's like, whatever, which way the wind blows, there's always some kind of like lake effect of something like either snow or in the winter time or, or in the summertime, it's humid. It's, it's, it's great. I was at Bakken in Germany. It was hotter than Florida. I was in Italy, hotter than Florida, bloodstock in the UK, hotter than Florida. And usually they're the weather's bipolar and like, it's going to be cold some point in the day.

19:30 It wasn't at all. And it was a drought. Like they never have a drought, three month drought, no rain. You know, I was, I was in Ohio for incarceration. We got the Canada fires there. We had to evacuate one day because of the smoke from the Canada fires. Yeah, but it was super hot there i just got back from california from aftershock northern california where it's normally i was like excited i'm like finally i'm going to a festival it's going to be cool and it was super hot there one of the days i was standing on one of the stages uh forget which band was playing but it was 117 degrees on stage holy shit yeah i mean like what the hell in california i i you know rocklahoma was like 107 degrees.

20:17 Yeah tulsa gets like that man oh. Yeah louder than life which is in kentucky that one's usually cold this time of year and it was super freaking high was hotter than rocklahoma. Was like what yeah. And then i come home to florida and i have my doors open and stuff because it's nice and cool outside and it's really not nice and cool, but comparatively. Yeah. Yeah. And without getting political, it's the weather modifications. I know. Right. Oh my God. Like there is definitely climate change. Okay. Just go. Just look up. Exactly. Well, no doubt. We have a lot of that here. Oh, I know.

21:02 I know. I see it all the time. I've done so many shows in Florida and everything. And I've been, like Tampa grids all over the, all over the sky. Like, and then I, I stay down in, in Fort Lauderdale, you know, cause I haven't, I have a timeshare or whatever down there for a month. And it's, you know, again, grids everywhere. Oh yeah. I'm near West Palm beach. I'm on this Island called singer Island near West Palm beach. Yeah. And like, look at the lightning too. The lightning's wicked here. Like you'll see lightning horizontal here and it's wicked. And, and weather is really weird here. Like it'll come out of nowhere. And then I've gone out to dinner literally, and it was beautiful out. And I get back and I look on my balcony. I'm like, and I'm in a high rise. I'm like, where's my chair. And it's like on the other side of the building on the ground smashed because some tornado ripped through here while I was at dinner.

22:05 Yeah. I've, I've seen it happen when I was in Fort Lauderdale. I'm up on the 18th floor looking out over the water and I could see the spout coming in off of the ocean. And I'm just like, holy shit, look at this. And then it hits the beach and like, wow. I catch him both ways because I look left and it's the Everglades and I look right and it's the ocean. And I can always tell when it's going to happen because I'll be sitting here. and shit will start flying off the walls. Like in two seconds, like it's normal. And then shit's flying off the walls. And the next thing you know, it's like a freight train coming. And it's wild where you see the line of demarcation. Like I have literally been standing outside on one side and talking to somebody and they were on the other side of the rain. Like they're getting rained on and I'm not, or vice versa. It's really a trip.

23:05 Yeah. Especially if you're in a tall enough building and you can see that front coming through and the way it's building and doing its thing. Dude, it's kind of scary. I've watched, like I said, that one and it went right over the intercoastal. That was right behind the building and tore the shit out of some boats. Oh, yeah. I watch it all the time because my island here is so small that Like the intercoastal is my front yard. The beach is my backyard. And there's only a street there. And when the storms get bad, literally the other night I was driving home from dinner and I was driving through the intercoastal because it was up on the road.

23:46 Like luckily I have a Jeep and I was able to drive through it. And right now my youngest daughter, she lives up in the panhandle. She's about to evacuate to come down to this way because they're getting hit with a hurricane in a day or two. Yeah. It's non-stop. We're supposed to be at the end of it right now. This is supposed to be the last three weeks. Of hurricane season. And the one that's brewing out there is going to do five-foot surges in the ocean right across the street from my daughter. It's going to be pretty wicked, I think. I was living in Jamaica and I luckily wasn't down there for last year's tornado that went through.

24:29 Or hurricane. That was. It was basically one massive tornado. That's what it was. But that devastated the island, and worse ever, you know. Well, that's like, I tell my L.A. Friends, well, I mean, I tell my Florida friends about, like, they're like, well, I would never live in L.A. because they have earthquakes. I'm like, I'm telling you right, and my L.A. friends, I'll never live in Florida because of the hurricanes and tornadoes. But I tell the Florida people right off the bat, I'm like, I'll take an earthquake over a hurricane any day of the. Week, man.

25:10 Because, you know, with the earthquake, it lasts for a few seconds. It's over, you know, even the bad ones. And I've been through them. I was there for Northridge, dude. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. I think I was there for that, too. I was driving by. The Pacific Garden Mall up in the Bay Area, when that big quake hit and that mall crumbled to the ground, I watched it crumble to the ground. Wow. We were in my. Bro's truck, like a big dually truck, and it was bouncing off the ground. Wow. That's crazy. Yeah.

25:50 And, you know, here I've been through every major hurricane, tornadoes, everything. But see what hurricanes and you're high. If you have a bad one, which I've been in, you're hiding in your bathtub for three days, not knowing what's going on outside. So I'll take the earthquake any day of the week. Yeah. Yeah. Cause next thing you know, your roof's ripped off. Everything's like flying all over the place. Yeah, dude. I lived in Bermuda too. So like I've, I had, Hurricane Fabian rolled through there too. I've been through almost every natural disaster that you can think of. I've been in tornadoes, hurricanes. I slept through a tornado once in my van.

26:39 I was on a drive from Canada back out to Los Angeles. I was in Iowa, I think, somewhere like that. It got so rainy, I couldn't see anything, so I pulled over at a, at a stop. And, uh, and I just remember like jumping in the back and trying and falling asleep and freaking. Things moving like this. And I, I heard like lots of thunder and rain, rainstorms usually put me to sleep. So I, I was out cold and then I, I get up and it's like sunny and I, you know, turn on the radio and I'm like, they're talking. About a tornado that went through it.

27:21 I'm just like, Wow. That is wild. That is. I've had some wild experiences with tornadoes too. And like, it seems that these storms are getting worse and worse. You know, things are getting colder and colder and hotter and hotter. Both of them like everywhere. And it is pretty wild. Like it's like all these things that happen. I, you know, even like, blizzards. I've been through some hairy blizzards. And, uh, I remember when I first got married, I met, met the woman in Florida. Uh, and I, I moved her up to New Jersey and she had, she was a native Floridian and we're driving up. It's like the end of February began March and we're driving through South Carolina.

28:12 And she's like, well, I hope, and cause it started getting cold there. She's like, I hope if it's cold, it's at least going to snow. I'm like, yeah I wouldn't bet on that in New Jersey in March it'll be windy freezing but the snow's usually done by then and that was the 93 blizzard that literally the first day we were there beginning of March in our new home she's looking out the kitchen like picturesque window and she's on the phone with her mother and she's like oh my god it's so beautiful it's like a winter wonderland like there's cardinals and blue jays flying and the snow's like coming down and it's like what you see in the movies four hours later she looks at me there's like two feet on the ground and it's still like dropping and she's like scared like is it ever gonna stop exactly.

29:08 Oh my god yeah. But new jersey you get that crazy shit like when you when the uh when that hurricane went through, like, in the wintertime. Right. It tore up everything and flooded everything, sand all over the place. It was that freaky in the winter. Yeah, totally. And I used to live by where you see the sea surges. It would surge over the wall of Seabright onto the condos. Yeah. Crazy. It's bad. As crazy as this music you're making in a good way. What a dang leeway in there, bro.

29:49 Like, you're just coming out like a storm and hitting us with this music. That's funny. But. It was taking me back. Yeah, yeah. It's like really like I was listening and I'm like, wow. I could close my eyes and it's taking me back. It was a lot of fun to do too, man. Just because I enjoy especially, you know, Restless Pre was a lot of fun because that was something that was newer for me to recreate and do. Assume the position, I was taking. taking a new approach on it, even compared to like when I used to play it live with Rhett and whatever, but still, you know, trying to keep true to the, you know, the original form and everything. Right.

30:41 So. See, that's, what's cool too. Like you keep the original form, but put your own spin on it. Yeah. Like you, if you remember like his original version of it, uh, you know, that had a drum machine. on it and, and stuff like that. It wasn't real drums and it had, had a whole different with Paul, you know, he, he great guitar player. And it was just very, the, the production wasn't as like keen. And that was what, what Rhett always used to say was like the, the two solo records were really, the source platform was always in the production of it. Right.

31:24 You know, Because both those records had drum machines on them. There was no live drums. See, I didn't even know that, to be honest. But if I think about it now, I'll go listen to it again, and then it'll be in my head. I'll be like, oh, that's right. And that is the difference sometimes with listeners and artists. Artists can hear things that sometimes the listeners don't pay attention to. I produce a lot of records, too, so that's why I kind of tear everything apart. Right? That's your thing, you know? But I do think of that time, and I think of there were definitely more musicians.

32:13 I think it's coming back now. I think a lot of the artists are trying to bring back musicianship instead of computership to music. Well, that would be nice because there is this whole Suno trip and whatever that people are using for their AI stuff. A lot of stuff sounds really good and everything, and it's all about how you prompt that shit up, but still, there's nothing like human creativity. No doubt. You can't get around it. Even when you listen to.

32:54 Like like taking me back to like zeppelin days early zeppelin days how they recreate and came up with a new sound and like how they were so creative and like the 70s especially for me is 70s was like the decade for creativity because you know when when you heard a song on the radio and and you heard it was like you knew it was super tramp you knew. It was queen you knew it was like you know led zeppelin you could just by the sound of of everything they had there everybody had their own style and and sound. And switched it up too like you take a band like zeppelin each album was a different genre pretty much yeah you know bands don't do that today i always talk about i'm glad you brought that up because i always talk about like especially in metal A lot of these metal bands, it's like they're using an algebraic equation to make a metal song.

33:54 It depends on what you're calling metal these days. I know, right? For me, metal was priest and maiden and stuff like that. That, to me, was metal. But now you've got the new wave of metal. When you look at things, too. Like sixties, everything kind of had a sound to it. Like where it all, where it all sounded the same in a sense. Right. And that's, that's kind. Of, cause it was, they were geared to the certain technology that they had going on. So in the seventies is when everything started to.

34:34 Swing into more multi tracks and being able to do things and the creativity got more expansive. And then by the time the eighties. Came around, shit started sounding the same again because it was like, there was a, there was a standard and things started to sound the same. Like if you think of all. The different hair bands and all that kind of, kind of stuff, they all started to sound the same and it just became stale. And that's why. You know who I found the problem with that is, is the record labels. Cause I remember sitting there backstage with bands like rat and all those and the record labels telling them how their music was going to sound. Yeah. You know, like every single one of them at, And if the record label's telling you, then they're probably telling one band.

35:18 The same thing as every other band. Ergo, you're all sounding the same. Yeah. And that's why the whole Seattle thing, when that blew out, that was like a whole different beast because they basically just said, you know what, we're not going for the slick, slick stuff like what was happening in the 80s and and whatever. And, you know, the, the, the breakaway band out of, out of the eighties kind of was GNR in a sense, because they were, they wanted to stay raw and whatever that there's certain things like that. But then as you notice, as time goes by, you had, you had the Nickelbacks and then.

35:58 Everybody started sounding like Nickelback and then like, it just kept, it kept. Going on and on. And, and, you know, now, now you have like, bands that came out again like Three Days Grace and everybody started sounding like Three Days Grace and it just it goes through waves like that and it's like that in pop music too yeah you know in every genre of music like country music for a while it sounds one way and then a decade later it kind of changed over like when it went more rock and roll you know with Shania and Keith Urban and all that it went rock more rocky And then, you know, then it goes right now we're in like a.

36:41 Hip hoppy kind of country vibe now or whatever. Which is so weird to me. That's like, like, it's not even hate towards it. It's just weird. Like to mix those two genres together. I just, I don't get it. But, you know, I understand that everything has to go through evolutions and change and But it just, yeah, it just, I'm even an old traditional country guy. Like, fuck, I grew up, like, listening to Hank Snow, dude. So it's like. Nice. You know, just Johnny Cash and Glenn Campbell and all these, Willie Nelson and all these other traditional guys, even from back then.

37:24 And like my grandfather's favorite song, goodbye, Joe, me gotta go, me oh my, oh, you know, because his name was Joe. He loved that song. So I heard it all the time. You know, Hank Williams, just all, but, you know, it just goes through the changes. And I guess it's like, it was like that for the 70s where country built into its. Own thing as well. And then, you know, because then you had your disco eras and all that stuff. So the funk and all that kind of stuff kicked in and just changed. And now to me, the new music nowadays just is, it is, I don't get it because it's, there's just way too much.

38:07 I think mechanicalness to it. Oh, no doubt about it. Even, I mean, think about it and you would appreciate this because of what you do. Like most people don't realize the problem with digital music is all the mids are gone. There's no wave. it's chop, chop, chop, chop, chop, you know? And like, that's why we are gravitating back to vinyl because vinyl has that sound. Even, even when you hear the crackling, like rice crispies, man, there's just something to that, you know? And there's definitely more feeling with having the mids and the wave form instead of the chop, chop, chop thing. It's, It always seems like something's missing.

38:55 Yeah. Well, that's why early on before the Brave Words release, we did a release on High Roller, which was the vinyl versions of everything. Oh, nice. So they're out there. The vinyl releases, and it does have a different sound to it and everything like that. But So for instance, on Brave Words, we ended up doing the complete. So that's the difference. Like, on the vinyls, you had to select, you know, bits of the recordings. And there was two albums. There was, like, the Kennedy years.

39:35 And then there was the session, the L.A. sessions. And then the complete sessions is everything put together. In one package. And that's where. These new releases were supposed to be on the first versions of stuff. And then we decided to hold off going back to going back to our original topic of like, why now? Basically, you know, we held off because it just we wanted to let the whole RET thing. Do its course for for itself. With his voice and him singing and, and those songs. And, uh, and then, but it was almost like, okay, what are we going to do with these songs? We should, we should put them out. And so I contacted Giles and I said, man, we should put those songs on.

40:31 He goes, yeah, that's a great idea. So it, it, it took a little bit of, uh, time, but. Uh, you know, eventually we've, we've come out and, And when I go back and I'm listening to it now, I'm. Going, it sounds really good. I like it. Not just because I recorded it and did it. It's just like I dig those songs. And David killing it on there. Nice. Well, I definitely think they were badass for sure. So I think everybody should check it out. I'm glad it is finally out. It's available to stream or purchase on high-res audio downloads from Bandcamp. Where else can people check out everything you're doing and this new release?

41:29 Well, Bandcamp is the main hub to get the material. We had the other stuff on Spotify. We had a little little glitch when we, cause we had amazing grace on there and we had to take amazing. Grace cause we got a cop, a copyright thing on it. So we had to actually take that out and then we were able to read, redo it up on the, on the streaming end of things. But so the other releases are there and these are, these should be on there as well. Well, do you have any final words you want to give to listeners that we haven't covered already? Uh, well, keep rocking and I hope they dig this stuff because there was a lot of passion put into this too.

42:21 So hopefully they'll catch the vibe and remember, and. Maybe that'll trigger them to go back and listen to the original stuff just so that they can do a comparison and see what's going on because like I said, David's voice is awesome. He did a great job on it and the rest of the guys, and we loved putting it together. So check it out. I'm super excited you did, and everybody needs to check it out. And thanks for being on The Adventures of Pikeman. Amen. Thank you. Talk to you soon. Thank you for listening to The Adventures of Pikeman. On W4CY Radio.