Rocklahoma 20th Anniversary Recap Plus Capt. David Gallimore REGENERATES You!

0:04 Hey, you're listening to The Accenture on W4CY Radio. Yo, the Pipe Man is back from the last stop of the Pipe Man radio tour. Oh, and I have a lot to talk about about that. I definitely need to regenerate after that because it was, oh, my God. Well, we'll talk about it more in a second. But first, I want to bring on, I don't see his video, so he needs to get that on. I want to bring on Studio Nut so that we could talk a little bit about the recap of Rock, Oklahoma. He was editing the interview, so he has a little bit to say probably. He can hear my voice compared to my normal voice. He has something to say there probably. And, oh man, it was hell and heaven all in the same time. What do I mean by that? Well, whoever denies climate change has not been traveling the world because the coolest place that I've been this whole summer is right back here in Florida. And who says that?

1:27 Nobody. Oh, my God, I got off the plane last night. And let me tell you something. Normally, I get off the plane, I'm like, oh, I got hit with the humidity, the heat right away. I got off the plane and I felt like I was under air conditioning. So anyway, the bottom line is every festival I've done this summer, has been, no matter where I was, was hotter than Florida. First I was at, you know, in the beginning of summer, download in the UK, never hotter than Florida. Hotter than Florida.

2:08 Then I was in, I was at incarceration in Ohio. Again, hotter than Florida, plus all that smoke from the fires in Canada. Then I was at Wacken in Germany. Hotter than Florida. Then I was in Italy, hotter than Florida. Then I was in blood at bloodstock again, the UK hotter than Florida. And plus it's so hot that there's been a drought in the UK for months, which never happens. And so I had like serious festival flu after that one. For those of you that don't know what festival flu is, it's basically, you know, it's not like the flu, like go get a flu shot. You can Google it. It is a real thing. It's from inhaling and getting the festival dust in your nostrils and in your throat. And you can hear it in me now. My nose is stuffed.

3:11 My throat is screwed. But here I am. Because we need to recap Rock, Oklahoma, the 20th anniversary of this amazing festival that had, if you look up the news... Record heats. In fact, I got to find something. Okay, hold on. I'm going to find something right now. Let's see. I have to go through the 10 million messages I have here. Rock, Oklahoma fans brave triple digit heat. Man, it was so freaking hot at Rock, Oklahoma. And, you know, Rock, Oklahoma has some of the greatest camping of any festival in So I actually camp at that festival. I never camp at a festival except that one because it's so much fun. You know what it's like to camp in triple digit heat? Like it was triple digit at night.

4:08 I was at a set that was two o'clock in the morning and literally somebody passed out and the ambulance came to get them from heat stroke in the middle of the night. But for all you deniers out there, Of course there's no climate change. We've only had worse weather all over the world, cold, hot. And I want to say something to you people. For you deniers, I love your explanations that, oh, sure it was. We had the coldest winter this year ever. Idiot. That's climate change. That's global warming. Global warming doesn't mean just hot. I don't know why people can't understand that concept. When you're having records of hurricanes, tornadoes, blizzards, cold weather, extreme cold.

5:00 Florida had coldest weather this year I can ever remember, okay, for the longer period of time. That's climate change. People, stop denying something that you're experiencing. Oh my God, it's so weird to me. Like, you don't have to believe in anything political to believe in climate change. It's not a political thing. Stop making it one. It's real life. We're disgusting humans littering the earth, destroying things, and even if that isn't the cause, it doesn't matter what the cause is. There is climate change, and we need to be prepared for it. AI ain't going to be prepared, okay? And, you know, basically, you know, That's another story. We'll talk about that maybe later. But in the 80s, me and my other techie friends were like, the machines are going to take over. Guess what? We're here. Guess what? We are here. And you people that rely on AI for everything, proofread your shit, will you? Because I get stuff from people that has AI, that has terrible punctuation, bad grammar, wrong words, It even spells my name wrong. Come on, people.

6:24 Just because you have this tool doesn't mean you shouldn't proofread stuff. People are getting lazy nowadays. No matter what it is, let's not spell out full words. Let's not use punctuation. Let's not use capitalization. Let's not even sign things anymore. Let's just draw a line. I don't even get it. When you use a credit card, And all you got to do is I just swipe my finger and that's my signature. Come on. Why have people sign them? Okay. But enough of that. It was just hot as hell. And I suffered through the whole thing, but it was worth it. It was worth it for the end, which was Slayer, one of my favorite bands in the whole world.

7:07 And at the point that Slayer was playing on Sunday night from dealing with this since Thursday, I was so hot, so tired. so ready to be done. And Slayer woke me up and it was amazing. But there was a lot more amazing, you know, being there and getting sprayed by Faygo, by Insane Clown Posse. There's so many things we could talk about. But what I want to talk about is how I have to fucking cough because I can't breathe. But What I really want, I want to tell you too, stick around because right after this segment, we're going to play a commercial for Aftershock. I'm still giving away, I have only a couple left, tickets to Aftershock, okay?

7:58 So you can DM me at pipemanradio, anywhere on socials. And if you tell me what my favorite band is, and if you weren't listening, then shame on you. But if you could tell me what my favorite band was, is and was, you will be entered to win tickets to Aftershock. Later in the show, we're going to talk to one of our show hosts on our sister station, K4HD Radio, and we're going to talk to him about regenerating, about regeneration and regenerating. I need to freaking regenerate. I can tell you that right now because after this weekend, I think I slept like five hours since Thursday, except last night, then I slept when I got home. But yeah, it's worth it, though. Rock, Oklahoma was off the chain.

8:57 I did it. You know, we're getting towards the end of the Pipe Man radio tour, so it gets to a point where you've pretty much interviewed everybody. So I've been doing like 45 to 50 interviews per festival, and then Warped Tour, I did like 21. This one, I did like 18. It's not dwindling down because of the fact that I don't want to do interviews or that they can't be had. It's dwindling down because I've interviewed everybody and I won't interview the same man at each festival. That's stupid and ridiculous. Some people do. What else do you have to talk about at that point? There's no new news. You need to regenerate and go on to the next thing. And that's what we're going to do later in the show with Captain David Gallimore. And we're going to talk about some cool stuff, including some of the things I'm talking about now and then more. Okay, so basically, let me tell you why I... I love Rock, Oklahoma, Rock, Oklahoma. Okay.

10:05 So I'm born in New York, grew up in Jersey high school in LA. And now I live in South Florida. The last place I always thought I would want to go is Oklahoma. I've been there, but I always thought, why? What purpose? I was even talking with my son last night. If you remember the movie An Officer and a Gentleman, Richard Gere's other, you know, the other guy, not Richard Gere, but the other guy, I forget his name right now, but he's the one that he commits suicide because of the girl Lynette that, you know, He proposed to, and she didn't want to get married. She was because he dropped out of the military. She wanted to be with a military man. So he didn't take that too well.

11:06 But they called him in the movie an Okie. He was from Oklahoma. And that's the image that media likes to project of Oklahoma people, of the way this character was. Let me tell you something. Some of the nicest people I ever met in my life are in Oklahoma, okay? And I'm sure there's not great people, but that's everywhere. Stop generalizing places. Go visit these places, talk to people, and then make your own opinion. Because we always make opinions about places that we've never been to, okay? And even with things going on in the world, I don't really understand the idea of protesting... for a place that you've never been to. Maybe you should go places and learn things before you decide to protest or not protest certain things because not everything is what it seems, you know?

12:02 But the thing is, is that these people are the coolest people. Cause like I made neighbors the first year in the campground and every year they look so forward to seeing me. They have this cool bus. It's a yellow school bus. that they built a deck on top of it, and it is the coolest thing ever. And everybody comes through the campground, gets up on the top deck, and it's just loads of fun. I also was able to find it from my campsite this year because I just looked for the flying neon bracelets all over the air, and that's where it was. You figure out what was going on there. I'm not going to go into that.

12:46 But these people... Like, they cook me breakfast every morning. Oh, my God, it's the coolest thing. The nicest people ever. If I wasn't working, they'd cook me breakfast, lunch, and dinner, you know? And it's just cool to hang out with them, see them, talk to them. And then all my media friends at Rock, Oklahoma. They're all the nicest people. Again, there's a guy in media, cool dude, always cooks food for all the media people right in the press tent. And then you got this guy I met, Stretch, who he's cool as hell, has a cool-ass band. You'll have to check it out. But he sits there and cooks backstage for the artists. So he invited me back there.

13:28 This is the only festival I go to. Most festivals you go to, you've got to spend a lot of money to eat. It's the only festival I go to. I spend zero on eating. Because everybody's feeding me. And All the other media people I work with, they're like super cool, super nice people. And I just love hanging with them. And the bands, like all the bands are cool. They come to the campground and hang out and play with everybody. You know, it's not, it's like a community and it's like old school. And this has been going on for 20 years. It hasn't changed. These people look forward to this and love this every year. And I don't blame them because I do too. And this year was amazing. Okay. We had, if I move over a little bit, the first, well, we had the pre-party, which isn't listed on there, but the pre-party had the band plus who I interviewed, who I love them. And they keep getting heavier, which I even love even more. Uh, they had another band. I interviewed these, these young, young musicians.

14:36 Oh my God. She Hates Me Not. They were so cool. And it was funny because the next day, because I told my stories. And the next day, one of them comes up to me in the campground and was like, oh my God, that was so great. And I can't believe you were at Slayer's first show ever because I was. And so I was talking about that in the interview. But such cool kids. I love that nowadays kids know the old school bands. It's amazing. So you had Godsmack that they headlined the second day and the first day, the first official day. And they killed it as always.

15:17 Hollywood Undead, one of my favorite bands to see live. And they played that day. They were so much fun. I don't get to see a lot of bands because I'm busy doing interviews. But like, okay, so Jet, I interviewed them. They were cool as could be. I interviewed Buck Cherry who, uh, I, that was a cool way of doing, we had fun talking about surfing and, you know, so great day. Second day, Papa Roach headlining Cypress Hill right before him. Oh my God. That was amazing. Papa Roach. I got to tell you, those guys are like the nicest dudes ever. Uh, as a matter of fact, uh, you know, I think they are like some of the coolest down-to-earth people in rock and roll. And then you had Dropkick Murphys. They're always fun. Pennywise, totally fun all the time. Everybody gets on stage for Bro-Him, so that's a good time. Oh, and my friends were also there, the bands that were playing out in the campground. There's this campsite called Rocklaholics, and they have they have sets all day and all night. Okay. So my, uh, my friends played, okay. You had bad Allison. I love them.

16:41 They're such a cool band. I, you know, I had to go to their set at one 30 in the morning. So I wasn't too happy with them about that, but it's okay. I had fun anyway. And then with snake bite whiskey, they're from Australia. They are so cool. And then, okay. a couple of my favorite people too, also played. Okay. So Sean nations, I just want to give a shout out to Sean nations because he's one of my favorite people from that area of the world. And he pretty much knows everybody. It's pretty much, it's a funny thing actually, but that's because he's the most personable, nice dude ever that helps everybody with everything. And, He, his band played with also, it's cool. Cause bad Allison, you know, my friend is the lead singer and she's married to the, uh, person in Sean's band to Anthony, who is also a cool ass dude. And so their band is the killing inside.

17:50 They're like industrial band. Really, really good. They did a killer cover of nine inch, a nine inch nail song. that the person I was sitting next to, I was like, my first start, I was like, do you recognize that riff? And she didn't. Shame on her. But I recognized it was Nine Inch Nails, and it was killer. And so, yeah, and we might do, the Pipe Man might do some collabs with Sean Nation, so look out for that, because he is a cool-ass dude, and I like to collab with cool-ass people. And even Molly Hatchet played Oh, my God. Like, what I love about Rock, La Jolla is there's such a mixture of bands. Like, it's not just one genre.

18:38 There's so many genres there. And then there's, of course, Sunday. Now, Sunday, now, of course, Slayer. And they were celebrating an anniversary of Rain and Blood, their album. And they did the album cover to cover. And it was badass. And then you had Black Label Society, The Pre-Reckless. Oh my God, they killed it. I love them. I love Taylor Mumsen. If you don't know who The Pre-Reckless is, check them out. Taylor Mumsen's the lead singer. She was Lindy Lou Who in The Grinch. And she was also in this other show, Gossip Girl. But she left that whole life famous as a kid to go after rock and roll. And I praise her for that because she could have taken the easy road. She took the passionate road instead. And, you know, she's a huge fan of Soundgarden and Chris Cornell, rest in peace. You know, she got to sing when they were inducted into the Hall of Fame last year. She got to sing with them. and she's going to be singing in a couple days with them again or maybe it's tomorrow i lost track of time uh she's going to be singing with them again in the halftime show of the seattle seahawks so check it out okay uh

20:09 We had Insane Clown Posse. They're always insane. That is like such a fun show. You don't even have to like the music. It doesn't matter. They are so much fun. Suicide Tense. He's one of my favorite bands. That was a killer show. Ugly Kid Joe. I got to talk about Ugly Kid Joe because our head engineer, former head engineer, who's not with us anymore. He's up in heaven, who is also a musician. He used to play Ugly Kid Joe in the studio every day, man. He loved Ugly Kid Joe. So here's another one, okay? And I went to see her set, and she was freaking amazing. Paris Jackson.

20:49 That's Michael Jackson's daughter, and she's like grunge music, and she was killer, okay? I was so impressed. So it was definitely a great time overall. I can't tell you about the things that happened in the campgrounds because, well, what happens in the campground stays in the campground. Let me just say there's a lot of shenanigans. And there's a lot of fun. And you shouldn't even bother going to sleep because there's too much fun going on. And that's what the pipe man did. But Rock, Oklahoma's over. I only have a few days to recuperate. And then I'm off to Louder Than Life in Louisville, Kentucky. Another one of my favorites. I can't wait. That lineup is, oh my God, stacked. And I think there's like 160 or 200 bands playing. Oh my God. Oh, one last thing.

21:47 I do want to give a shout out for Rock, Oklahoma. I want to give a shout out to Holly. Well, there's two Hollies. I'm not talking about teaser talk, Holly, although I give her a shout out too. That's what I just did. Check out her podcast, Teaser Talk. But Holly that was running promotions and media, oh my God, I love her. She used to be with DWP. She now does Rock, Oklahoma. And man, she made my life so much easier and made work so much smoother. So shout out to Holly because She's amazing. And I love working with her and any festival she works on, I will work on. So that's the wrap. That's the wrap of Rock, Oklahoma's 20th anniversary. I already can't wait till next year. I met new friends even again this year and like, Oh my God, just some of the best people, best music, great festival. And, uh, I even got these glasses at Rock, Oklahoma. Okay, so you guys are used to me wearing the blue Aussie glasses. And of course, I've broken so many pairs of those. I have to go to the store and get another pair because on the flight to Rock, Oklahoma, they broke. The arm snapped off.

23:14 I'm like, crap. Because that's like my trademark. But it turned out well because it was also my trademark because I used to have blue hair. And then I rested for a while. I was doing a little dark and a little belly-age blonde. As you can see for Rock, Oklahoma, although it already faded because it was so hot and I was dripping. I was raining in blood. I was dripping blood all the way out of my hair. It wasn't really blood. It was just a red. So when I got to a festival, I went to this one booth, a booth I loved. I saw it in Milwaukee Metal Fest. The shirt I'm wearing is from there. It's a, you know it, the love of my life, Harley Quinn. It's a shirt of Harley Quinn, but it glows in the dark.

24:03 It's so cool. And so I figured, you know what? I did my hair red for Rock, Oklahoma, bright red. It's not as bright anymore because of the heat. But so I figured, ah, I have to get the red sunglasses. Problem with these glasses, though, is I can't see crap out of them, okay? They don't really shield the sun. I've been told, though, that it's actually good for your eyes, especially when you're using technology. I don't see how it's good for my eyes if I can't read the stuff. I have notes. I can't even read the notes. Everything looks weird. Even looking at my phone, the phone looks weird. If I look at pictures, it looks like it's black and white. When I'm looking at the screen right now, it kind of looks black and white. Then I look at my phone. and where there's notifications, instead of seeing how many notifications, it just shows a dot. I can't even see what the notifications are. It's pretty trippy. But you know me, I have to have my look for the show, so I'm going to suffer through it. I may even take them off at one time when I talk to our next guest that's coming up right now.

25:12 But first, we're going to play that commercial when I give Juan the cue. But I want to say that Captain David Gallimore, oh, my God, what an incredible person, incredible mentor to many, and an incredible elder. And we're going to talk about his podcast, why he does it, what he does. We're going to also talk about some of the things we were talking about, climate change, AI. And we're going to talk about elders. And we're going to talk about the two jobs of elders during disruptive, turbulent times. You're not going to want to miss, so stick around. I don't care if you're just into music.

25:56 You need to stick around for this next part. In the meantime, let's hear the Aftershock commercial so you guys can win tickets to go to Aftershock. Roll it, Juan. Aftershock, the West Coast's largest rock, metal, and punk festival returns to Sacramento this October with. My Chemical Romance. Tool, Limp Bizkit, Pierce the Veil, plus Suicide Boys, Queens of the Stone Age, The Offspring, A Day to Remember, Wooten Clan, and more. Aftershock, October 1st through 4th. Passes are on sale now starting at only $. 1 down at aftershockfestival.com. There it is. Great lineup. Another one of my favorite festivals. Stick around to the end.

26:43 There's another opportunity for you win tickets when we're going to play one last commercial at the end. So stick around for that. Meanwhile, let's introduce to the Adventures of Pipe Man, the one and only Captain David Gallimore. What's up? He's trying to be me. Look, he's trying to be me wearing his shades. He looks like he's in Men in Black with these shades on. I'm trying to channel my pipe man. There you go. I have to take it off a little. Oh, yeah, you are dark. I was going to say your shirt is dark. I was thinking Men in Black. Look, but he can't keep them on because then he won't be able to see crap. I can do it without seeing crap. Okay.

27:26 So my first question for you, Captain. is why are you even here? That is such an existential question. Where to begin, Pipe Man? I'm here because I have a deep respect for what you do and who you are. And when you invited me onto your show, I said, fuck yeah, I want to be on Adventures of Pipe Man so we can have, publicly, more of the conversations that we have privately, which I always learn from you, my friend. Nice. I love that. And so... Let's start off right off the bat. You have a show on our sister station, K4HD Radio. Tell us about that show. Let's first start off with what made you want to initiate doing that show?

28:18 What were your goals? And then tell us a little bit about now that you've been doing it, have those goals stayed the same? Evolved? or what you feel has changed from before to now. So I have to give full credit to Linda, who has a show on your W4CF, is that right? Radio station? Very close. The one we're on right now is W4CY radio. CY, CY, yeah. You should know which station you're on when you're a guest. I should, shouldn't I?

29:00 Duly noted. So she had me on her first show, which was, she's in her 70s, and she wanted to help bring on people to tell stories about the messy middle of their growth and what they were doing in the next chapter of their life. And I had such a blast. But it was Rebel... meddler you're one of your producers one of your awesome awesome producers she's. Also usually one of my co-hosts by the way but at our studio in louisiana i just got off the phone before the show somebody shot through the window no is she okay Yeah, everybody's okay. It just shattered the window.

29:42 But nobody saw anything. The cops are on the way. So she couldn't be with us right now. Plus, she's still engineering another show. That's how dedicated we are here. Somebody shoots through our window. Your show's still going to keep going. It's the true measure of a pro, right? The show must go on no matter what. Exactly. So Rebel, just as we were finishing kind of a debrief with Linda, she said, you know, Dave, you have a voice for radio. And I secretly thought, thank God she didn't say I have a face for radio.

30:25 Well, you might have that too, but I'm not sure. Hey, hey, hey. So I then reached out to you and I was very much a newbie, still am, my God. Dean has had, to your listeners, Dean has had to educate me, not once, not twice, but multiple times on how this world really works. And I'm grateful, I truly am. And so the objective that I have, and it really hasn't changed very much, is how can I show up vulnerably, and authentically at 64, neurodiverse, ADHD, wiring, retired corporate program executive, developed all sorts of businesses, entrepreneurial for IBM and Boeing, et cetera, but now really wanting to give back and pay it forward to next generation leaders who might not be able to afford my bill rate, as an executive coach and a business startup coach. So this is my opportunity to, you know, bring in fascinating people as, as I know you love to do. And we don't over plan it. We co-create the magic in the moment. That's been such a kind of comfort zone, stretching opportunity for me, who's usually very much a planner and, as Dean will tell you, writes too many long texts and far too many long emails and tries to deliver

31:59 too much value. So I can be taught, albeit slowly. And so the fun that I'm having and why I'm really delighted to be on your show is I'm starting to get some traction. People are responding to this idea that if we're going to adapt, and I was listening to all the things that you were ranting about in a good way, by the way, Our disruptive, turbulent today and future and your evidence that you provided about triple-digit temperatures at one of the last festivals. My belief and the consensus of most of scientists, geologists, climatologists, all of the different disciplines of science all over the globe have come to the consensus that human beings... you know, have probably more than their fair share in addition to mother earth, who's in a receding ice age. So we're in this together.

32:55 And as a captain maritime captain, uh, we're in the same boat together. And what I want to do is, is talk with you and your, and engage with the, these ideas that we have to work on ourselves, provide ourselves more resilience, ability to adapt. If we ever want to be able to be respected as a role model, uh, as an elder, And so while we're doing that work, how do we show up then as our better selves with next generation? Our children, our grandchildren, friends, family, etc. That's really what now is motivating me on The Regenerate Show and what I look forward to talking with you about on this show.

33:37 Well, one thing I do want to say, too, is I think we constantly have to regenerate in life, okay? And that's evolving, in my opinion. But I also want to say that Sometimes people need to learn how to communicate for other people to learn. Because we're living in a world right now where people are arguing and attacking each other. You're not going to change people's minds. It isn't going to accomplish anything. So here's the thing, especially with the division of generations we have now. Like when I was younger, when you were younger... there was still the generations had conflicts, but we were closer match than we are now for sure. You know, um, we emulated the elders. Now we generally don't, we do the opposite, but I think that's also because of the elders and because the elders are not handling things the right way. Okay.

34:43 And perfect example is, Climate change. How an elder can deny climate change when they know there was a nice age? So my point there is, there has already been climate change in this... Yeah, exactly. So why are you saying it doesn't happen and it's fake news, it doesn't exist? Like, if that were the case... You would be riding your dinosaur to work right now. Exactly. You know, so I think that's utterly ridiculous. But then again, I think the elders now more than ever talk so negatively about the younger generation that why would they listen? I'm not, I wouldn't listen if I were them either. You know, I'm friends with a lot of the younger generation.

35:38 Why? Why? Because I don't do the same judgy crap that the rest of my generation does. You know, and you and I, although we're not many years apart, we are two different generations. You're a boomer. I'm a Gen X. And there is such a difference there. Now, there wasn't when we were younger, but now, here's the funny thing about your generation, is how did the hippies turn into the yuppies turn into the boomers? Like, There's something weird about that. The boomers tend to be the exact opposite of what they were when they were youthful. And that's the thing I have to say about the younger generations now. We don't know about Gen Z and Gen Alpha yet. Well, Gen Z a little bit. But millennials, you could see that they evolved, but they also kept true to who they were. Whereas...

36:40 The baby boomer generation, by becoming the boomers that we call the boomers, did not stay true to who they were. The liberals of the 70s and the 60s are now the alt-right of this decade. Doesn't make sense to me, but that's true of a lot of what's going on, too. It's like everything's kind of switched, but I think in order for the elders to have influence, maybe they need to understand every generation beneath them. And to me, the boomers are the elders. The Gen X aren't the elders yet because we're still a little childish, okay? But we probably will be, so the Gen X can learn something too.

37:25 Well, so I have a different definition of elder. I think if somebody is looking up to you, and they could be 12 and they're looking up to somebody who's 14. True. They could be 24 and they're looking up to somebody who's 34. So my belief is that elders is not necessarily over 65, nor is it coming from a particular point of view. I love that you're saying that because we've always been taught that the elders are the old people. But you're exactly right. The true definition of an elder is just somebody that is older. That could be. It's a relative. Right. It's a relative position. And largely it's based on you fuck things up a bit as you get older and you have some life experience. And maybe that life experience, if shared to your point, in a way that meets the junior, can I call it that?

38:20 The younger helps meet them where they are so that they can build a bridge, a communication bridge, so that that experience can be passed on so that we don't have more Darwin Awards. Right. Right. So tell us a little bit about what being an elder is to you, meaning what it takes to be an elder that actually has influence. So my friend, I am still very much a work in process on this, but I'll tell you three things that I've learned recently. especially since I kicked the corporate crazy to the curb back in January of 2022, is one, I don't have all of the answers. So as an elder, I think I'm learning that the best way to be in the world is to be curious and to ask questions related to that curiosity. And you know this well because you're curious and I've listened to your interviews. You know, you don't bring, you have sometimes a point of view, but you don't bring blinders into that conversation. You remain curious and you kind of suspend your judgment until you've learned more. And I think that's a way of being that I've learned to be really, really helpful. Cause then if somebody knows that I'm there to meet them where

39:50 they are and really learn first and be curious to enhance that learning, they're going to be way, way more willing to share what they believe. And then now I understand where they're coming from. And now I can start to link maybe some of my key ideas or elder wisdom, if I can call it that, um, in the appropriate ways, like might be video, it might be over a beer, you know, it might be on the water, sailing. So finding those locations. So that's the first thing. Second thing I've learned is in the process of communicating, we co-create learning.

40:32 If we're willing to really listen to listen and not listen to respond. So you're hitting on a point that's so important because most people listen to respond and they're not listening because the whole time you're talking, they're thinking about how they're going to respond to you. Yep. Yep. And then the last thing, and this was part of what I sent to you earlier, is because I'm imperfect, I'm a human being, not a generative AI bot. I'm going to make fucking mistakes. And I know that I can keep learning and to be a better husband, better father, better man, better sailing instructor, better coach. So bringing that growth mindset and modeling that commitment to growth.

41:28 And when I make mistakes and I make them often, I apologize to my wife. She knows I'm still very much in training. I apologize to my son, Ian, who's 32, and my daughter, Catherine, who's 29, who I would give up my life for those people. Now my two new grandchildren, Daisy and Calvin. And so how do I continuously get better, even though I might be viewed as an elder from other people, and they may think I have it all figured out. And I don't think that serves them, and it certainly doesn't serve me if I buy my own bullshit But I've already got it all figured out, and I'm just opening up their brain, opening up the flap, and then pouring wisdom in. That's not sticky. That's not going to help the next gen. It's not going to help society.

42:19 I love what you're saying, too, because too many elders act like they know it all, and the people that they're mentoring know nothing. And I'm a firm believer you can learn something from anybody. You can learn they could be, no matter what age, what their social status is, their job is, their education, they could be the lowest person on the totem pole and you can learn from them. And when you have this attitude, like just because you're older and more experienced and more wise that you know better, they're not going to listen to you because they can't even conceive of that too. That's another thing I think we have to cover because like there's things I'm learning now that I used to argue with my dad about that.

43:11 I'm like, he doesn't know what he's talking about. And I'm like, Oh, I guess he did. So you were saying earlier about every one of us is an elder to somebody. what does that actually change about how we show up on a Monday morning or in this case, Tuesday morning? So I really appreciate this question. It's, it's so practical. And I think sometimes, um, conversations that I have on podcasts, you know, it's, it seems performative and, you know, very theoretical and all the rest, but okay, what are we going to do? Um, I have a two-part answer to that. First, I suggest whenever we meet family, friends, bosses, employees, teammates, just think of our relationship ecosystem that we traverse through, that we are committed to being authentic and we are committed to being as vulnerable as the situation will allow.

44:25 Because I think people are so in need of psychological safety. When you look at all the root causes of lack of engagement in organizations, mental health problems in universities and in middle school and high school, there just really isn't a psychologically safe environment. I think as elders, we have failed miserably in creating environments where people feel safe and can come and do their best work. And their most creative work, be it in a family environment or a team environment, an organization environment. Certainly when I was a musician performing in a band in high school, you know, we were doing jazz and we were doing rock and roll.

45:09 And we had to trust each other that we were going to be able to have each other's back. to allow that creative freedom to really blossom and to create the magic in the moment that the audience really resonates with. They feel the emotional connection. It's not performative. It's not just scripted. It's not pre-written. There's a lot of nuance that happens in the moment when you're a musician, as you know well. So showing up authentically and vulnerably. And then the second part is... To really be curious and to find out when you ask somebody how they are, that's not the typical American, how are you? And then you don't listen for the answer because you've moved four paces past while they were answering. It's just taking a moment and stopping. And when you ask the question, how are you? And somebody actually tells you something meaningful or real, Now, that's the opportunity to listen, to be meeting them where they are, to figure out if there's pain or opportunity that you might be able to help lessen their pain or enhance or accelerate their opportunity, that you are in service to that individual at that moment. And that's all you need. have at that moment. Alan Mulally, one of my mentors from Boeing days, who turned around Boeing Commercial during 9-11 and then turned around the Ford Motor Company

46:43 during the Great Recession, he has a unique ability when he's with any one of us, and certainly he did this with me, I think I'm the most important person in the world. Even though this guy is the CEO of a multi-billion dollar corporation, I never felt that. I always felt that he was absolutely present You can feel the difference energetically. You see it in somebody's eyes. You create that connection, human to human connection. So needed, right? Given all of this accelerating change due to AI. So those are the two things that I try to remember when I traverse, swim, sail through my ecosystem of people and relationships.

47:26 Nice. And so now one thing I really want to know, and I say this not in the same way but all the time, why can't we finish our own work first and then lead others? I mean, listen, so many of us are telling others what to do, and we're not doing it, we're not walking our talk, or we haven't finished doing it. Wouldn't it be more responsible to actually do the work first then lead others. So this is probably the best pushback on all that I've been saying. And I'm going to give you my version of this. And it'd be really fun to hear your version of this. Cause I know you and I've talked about this in the past, right? How do we, how do we be with our families, even though we're still in the messy middle of our lives? So, so the short answer is guess what? We're never going to be fucking done. We're a work in process. That's true.

48:33 The messy middle kind of teases that, oh, there's a beginning, a middle, and an end. No, I don't think so. I think the messy middle is what we're going to be in. We're in the soup. We're in the stew. We're trying to figure life out, and especially with all the turbulence and all the change. Yeah, and to your point, the messy middle is basically from the day you're born until the day you die. The not middle is before and after that. Yeah, and if you talk to some people who believe in incarnation, and I believe in Einstein, that we're just in different forms. We just go from the current form that we're in to energy, back to energy. We become some other form, some other way. So there may be lessons even after and before the birth and the death, some people believe. I agree.

49:27 I agree. Until I die, I won't know how to tell you what that's going to be like. That's a good point right there, too, because like, I believe reincarnation is a possible thing, but I believe all of them are possible because until we do die, we don't know, and we may not even know then, especially if extinction is the one, because then you'll never know. So we may never know, and we tend to live our own life worrying about what we're going to do after we're here. Maybe we should worry about what we're doing while we're here. Bravo. I mean, talk about being curious. Formal religion, based on the studies and certainly of history, formal religion has often done a lot to divide us and to keep us othering others. And we've held up wars as justification due to religion. And yet, we don't really know. So that's being curious, right?

50:30 I hate to say it, but religion... is more about, I hate to say it, but religion's more about hate and fear and control than anything else. And that doesn't mean I'm against religion. I'm just not the person that, like I have my beliefs, but that doesn't mean there can't be other beliefs or they can't be doubt. Being a Jew, that's something we're actually taught as a Jew, is to question everything, question God, question the Torah, question the Bible, don't believe crap. And that's why I gravitate more to that because we don't believe in hell and damnation.

51:12 We do believe in reincarnation. We believe in you keep coming back until you do it right, then you ascend. I think that's a better idea, and that's more of learning than, oh, don't do this, or you're going to hell, and this fictional character is going to make you burn. I don't buy that. I don't buy making people live in fear. I don't buy making people live in control. I don't buy people that aren't even walking their talk, telling others and leading others what to do. Rabbis don't claim to be, you know, saints or better than anybody else or just another human being that had a little more education about their religion. We call them the teachers of the community. We don't call them people that are of a higher godly level. I'll tell you what, too, since we're on that subject just very briefly, I don't get the whole concept. Maybe you can explain it if we want to or move on, but I don't get the whole concept of how the leaders in a religion are the ones that can't procreate. Like, that makes zero sense to me. Rabbis can procreate, and who else better would you want to procreate but the people that are the most religious and know the most about it? I mean, that's just weird to me.

52:45 Yeah, I'm not Catholic. I don't know if there are other religions that espouse that as well, but it just seems to me part of our human nature is being denied. I mean, our genes are all designed to have us procreate. Exactly. It's the reason why we exist, frankly. We wouldn't be made to be able to procreate if you believe in God. Why would God want to make us to be able to procreate if he didn't want us to procreate is the way I kind of think about it. And I just think sometimes these man-made rules, because they can't be God-made, in my opinion, are just silly. Because, again, it dates back to a time of trying to control human beings. And sometimes I get it. Because if you go back to ancient times, and even now, man does not follow man's law. You have all these laws that are man laws, yet we have more people in prison now than at any other time. So what good are those man's laws if people are not following them? But, I think the whole concept of religion came about because man will follow an unknown because of the fear of the unknown. And that's kind of how it was created.

54:05 And very interesting. I don't know if you know this, but real quick, that's the whole concept of the movie planet and the apes, the original one, especially because it was written by an agnostic to prove that or not to prove, but to teach the agnostic point of view, which it's not that they don't believe in all this stuff. They believe in the concept of it. So if you look at Planet of the Apes, what did they do? They copied everything from religion, but then they showed also how ridiculous it was that you had these, but then it had all these rules, but then the same token, it showed exactly what I'm saying about man will not follow man's law. So in order to keep the apes in line, they didn't tell them the truth about the scripture. Okay.

55:00 Which is what we do now. We don't tell the truth about the historical facts of the scripture. Why? For a good reason, because the humans blew up the world. So they didn't want the apes to learn that. And then do the same thing the humans did. And guess what? You go to the third Planet of the Apes movie, that's exactly what happened. The apes found out that it was all bull crap, and they blew up the world. Again. And I think that's the only good part of organized religion, is that concept right there. Yeah. Well, I remember studying comparative literature, comparative religion, rather, at Yale. And, you know, I remember the Jewish faith really saved thousands and thousands, hundreds of thousands of people by their recommendations on what to eat and what not to eat in the desert.

55:57 It just makes sense, right? And so that kind of, if I may call it practical religion, saved lives. Other tenets of religion, like don't kill your neighbor or don't covet your wife, those are probably pretty good things to also honor. Exactly. They're all good rules for being a good human. And the problem is we could talk on and on and on about everything. There's even things I want to talk about more with you. But we're not only out of time, we're late. So I'm happy to come back. It'd be a privilege and an honor whenever it's convenient for you, my friend. I had such a blast. Thank you. Thank you so much. So I'm going to ask you one last question before we go.

56:39 I'll be quick. And you have to answer it quickly, not in David Gallimore fashion, but maybe. Hey, I represent that. One thing listeners can do this week. What is it? I would say, listen and stay present, stay present and listen. I love that. Couldn't be better advice. And so everybody make sure to check out, the show regenerate, tell everybody real quick how they can check out your show, your website, your business, all that, and do it quickly. Yeah. So a regenerative world group.com is a website and info at regenerative world group.com is an email and the regenerate show on K4HD. com and K4HD TV and all the other variants of the talk for media empire that Dean Piper has My sensei, my elder, continues to make the world a better place.

57:40 And see, I'm his elder and I'm younger. Now, what day and time to watch your show? Ah, thank you. Mondays, 10 a.m. Pacific. So what's that? 1 p.m. Eastern. Yep. All right. You heard it, everybody. Thanks for listening. Thanks for being here on the Adventures of Pipe Man. We're going to roll out of here. But real quick, Juan, if you could run the Louder Than Life commercial so they can see why they still need to go to Louder Than Life, even if they didn't win tickets, because we gave all the tickets away. I'll be there. Come visit the Pipe Man there next week. Roll it, Juan.

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