Aug. 10, 2026
Saxon’s Brian Tutler Reflects on Bloodstock, Diamondhead, Metallica, and the Magic of Live Metal
In this lively episode, Pipeman sits down with Brian Tutler from Saxon at the 25th anniversary of Bloodstock Festival. The conversation covers the evolution of iconic rock festivals, stories from the golden era of metal, influences across generations, and Brian Tutler’s unique journey from Diamond Head to Saxon. This episode is packed with insider anecdotes, festival nostalgia, and reflections on the enduring power of rock and metal.Main Topics Covered
- Bloodstock Festival: Growth and Community
- Comparisons: Bloodstock, Wacken, Hellfest
- Early Days of Metallica & Diamond Head Connections
- Live Music: Embracing Imperfection
- Music Influences, Collecting Band Merch, and Legacy
- Saxon’s Enduring Passion for Live Performance
- Behind-the-Scenes Stories: Metal Legends
- Pipeman and Brian Tutler reminisce about how Bloodstock has evolved from 600 attendees in Derby Assembly Rooms in 2002 to a massive family-like event celebrating 25 years 00:40.
- Comparisons between Bloodstock, Hellfest, and Wacken, with Wacken described as “possibly the biggest gig I’ve ever done” 01:03.
- Epic anecdote of festival size at Wacken: stages so far apart it might take an hour to walk between them 01:38.
- Pipeman shares memories from the 1983 US Festival—comparing the rush into the infield at Bloodstock to running for the stage at massive stadium events 01:56.
- The legendary Van Halen story: David Lee Roth forgetting the lyrics and telling 300,000 fans, “I fucking forgot the words”—to massive cheers 02:39.
- Both agree that live shows are all about the energy, passion, and authenticity—even if there are mistakes (Brian Tutler: “The audience, they’re there for the show, the energy and the passion” 03:29).
- Brian Tutler reflects on the early LA shows where Metallica opened for Saxon, playing more Diamond Head covers than their own songs 04:12.
- Discussion on how Metallica’s covers of Diamond Head songs, particularly “Am I Evil”, helped sustain Diamond Head both in recognition and royalties for over 30 years 06:49.
- Pipeman and Brian Tutler highlight the openness of Metallica in crediting their influences, which is rare among major bands 09:28.
- Pipeman shares his connection to Armored Saint, making their first official merch at age 15, leading to a discussion about Lars Ulrich’s lifelong habit of collecting vintage band shirts 07:57, 09:01.
- Brian Tutler mentions seeing Lars wear shirts from bands like Budgie, Girlschool, and Radio Moscow 09:06.
- Brian Tutler talks about the realities of life on tour: travel, hard work, but the irreplaceable “buzz” of being on stage 04:48.
- Humorous account of Lars Ulrich hiring a taxi for a 110-mile trip after a sweaty, packed 100 Club gig 11:03.
- Reflections on what it means to stay passionate: “Once you become a rock fan, it never leaves. You’re there for life.” 11:47
- On Live Performance:
“They always say there is no drug like being on stage and playing to thousands of people. So it’s something we all crave...” — Brian Tutler 04:55 - On Influences:
“They wore their influences proudly on their sleeve, didn’t they? …they were more open than most to say, look, this is where it came from.” — Brian Tutler 09:28 - On Being a Rock Fan:
“Once you become a rock fan, it never leaves. You’re there for life.” — Brian Tutler 11:47 - On Diamond Head/Metallica Relationship:
“It’s been a massive help for Diamond Head in respect and being an influential band, not to mention, you know, royalties.” — Brian Tutler 06:55 - On Festival Experiences:
“It’s still like a family though here…” — Pipeman 00:53
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Hey you love Learnt too, Cruee Wow, crazy your.
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This is the pipe Man here on the Adventure of
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Pipe Man W four c Y Radio and I'm.
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Here with Brian Tyler from Saxon.
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Nice here at Bloodstock.
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Yeah, yeah, yeah, it's great. It's such a classic festival.
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This is the twenty fifth anniversary. Yes, yes, and I played.
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I think I played the second ever Bloodstock really yeah.
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I think there's two thousand and two something like that.
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And it was at Dobbis Embly Rooms and there was
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about six hundred people in so it's.
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Grown wow a lot. It's still like a family though
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here right, you know, it's like it's so cool, like
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you played and I was there too at Vakin last week.
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What a differences huge. That's possibly the biggest gig.
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I've ever done.
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It's the biggest festival in the world, like from the stage,
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like I do media coverage at festivals all over the US, UK, Europe,
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and we know that even there as the Holy ground
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I and I remember while it was flying over because
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I do health Fest every year, which you guys play at.
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The last live album is from and I'm just like,
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it can't be much bigger than health Fest. Because Healthfest
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is huge.
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Health Fest is massive.
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And then I found out it is a lot bigger.
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Like had somebody asked me to do an interview at
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the stage they were playing, it was like an hour
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walk from the press. Then I'm like, I don't think
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I can make it over there because I have other interviews. Yeah,
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it is.
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It's a huge thing. I heard somebody say it was
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like eighty thousand people.
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In yes, so, which is just wow. And I'll know
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if you saw that. He probably didn't because it's on
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the first day when they were letting people into the infield.
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It reminded me of when I was at the US
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Festival in nineteen eighty three and they opened the gates
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and we were all running like a stampede. It was
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the same thing. It was like they open these gates
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that Asus Spades was playing. Everybody it's just like running
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for the stage. I thought it was the coolest feeling ever.
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Yes, I've seen that happened a few times where they
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open the gates and the people just pouring like water
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right to run to the front of the stage. But
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that US Festival was Is that the one with Van Haylen.
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Yes, Yes, it's findyo I was just telling that story
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earlier about when they were taking and talking and they
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were playing ain't talking about love, and David Lee Roth
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was not singing, and Eddie looks over on me, he
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doesn't know what's going on. And then David Lee Roth
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just yells at three hundred thousand people, I fucking forgot
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the words, and.
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They all cheered, Oh yeah, it was. It was pretty
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well honest right pretending you know. See, I like it
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better that way.
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Like you guys are humans. It's not a recording studio.
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It's a live show, and mistakes happened. Things happen. Most
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people don't even notice half the time except you the artists.
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Yeah, the artists beats themselves up exactly, I played that
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note wrong or something total off the time. The audience,
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they're there for the show, the energy and the passion,
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aren't they.
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Soper and I remember the first time I saw Saxon,
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which is even before that, when Saxon took out Metallica
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and it was in l A and I lived there,
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and I went because I saw Metallica's first show ever.
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So I used to go to other shows and then
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they were opening for Saxon, and I'm like This is
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the coolest shit ever and that's why I'm here today
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because of a band like yours.
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And apparently they played a load of diamonded songs. That yes,
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those early shows exactly more diamonded songs than their own.
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True.
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Even though they're opening for Saxon, they're playing diamonded songs.
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I know it's wild, right, that is full circle? So
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where does it feel for you?
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Like here we are twenty fifth anniversary of Bloodstock and
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Saxon is headlining. After you know, being a musician for
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all your life pretty much, how does it feel to
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still be around? It's great.
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I mean I'm lucky that I can still play because
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sometimes you know, health, yeah, people, you know, all sorts
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of things can stop you. And I try and you know,
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look after myself as best I can. But it's a
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real bass. I mean they always said there is no
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drug like being on stage. I'm playing two thousands people.
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So.
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It's something we all crave and we all really enjoy
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it and get a boss and you know, when we
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come off, it's you can tell you've done a show
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and it's something special. But these big gigs, I mean,
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you know, I've spent years in Diamond at doing clubs
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and smaller places and all that. So to suddenly be
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promoted several rungs up the ladder to Saxon and to
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be playing these massive festivals like Whack and I Say
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and Healthfest and now Bloodstock, it's a fantastic feeling and
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I'm really enjoying it.
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I love hearing that because if you're not enjoying this business,
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you're in the wrong business. There's a lot of not
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fun parts of it. So if you're not having fun,
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why do it.
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Yeah, there's always the travel and you know, being in
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hotels and airplanes and vans and things like that, but
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you just get on with it. Really, it's the end results,
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making the records, doing the shows. If you want to
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do that, you've got to be prepared to do.
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The work exactly. And then, going back to what you
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were saying about with Metallica, like, what's it like to
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know that right now, like one of the biggest bands
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in the world, they were basically just doing head covers.
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Who knew though that they were going to become so huge?
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Right when I first came across you know, obviously I
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knew last before he formed Metallica. Book when I first
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heard the early songs, and I had no idea that
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this band were going to be the behemoth they are today.
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Nobody did, I don't think, you know, when they didn't
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kill them all and are on a small label, and
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at first to me it was just Lars's band, you know,
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Diamonded song And in the end I covered four Diamonded songs.
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So's it's been a massive help for diamond Ad in
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sort of respect and being an influential band, not to
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mention you know Royle ties well, yes, right for thirty
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odd years. Yeah, has been an incredible or an expected bonus.
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Right, It's gonna be kind of weird too, right to
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get probably maybe more royalties from Metallica playing the songs
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than you playing the songs.
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Definitely, Definitely the main earner is am I Evil. But yeah,
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I've been able to sort of live off that for
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thirty odd.
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Years and then here you are playing with Saxon you knowsen,
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So I sing on the cake right, like what a
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wild ride? Right? And you know it's funny because Laura
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seems to have connections everywhere, like of stories, like even
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I have one because I used to be at fifteen
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years old, Armored Saints' first merch company, and I played
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I made their shirts and their pair like me and
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my bro were like, hey, you don't have any merch
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Can we make it for you and we'll give you
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like fifty percent sure because they weren't making anything. So
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Joey and I have been friends for a long time
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and recently a couple of years ago, he told me
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something I didn't know. And you know that you probably
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know it, but a lot of people don't. That picture
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of Laura's he must be like fifteen years old. He's
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holding a guitar. He as an Armored Saint shirt on it. No,
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it's on the internet, like all over the internet. And
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he goes to me, he goes, that's your shirt. I'm like,
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no way. He goes yeah, and he still has it
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and I'm like I don't even have it, and Joey's
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like I don't either. Then like a month later, I
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was interviewing his kids who have a band, and after
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the interview, because I didn't bring up Laurence during the interview,
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but after the interview, I'm like, yeah, Joey told me this,
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blah blah blah, and they're like, yeah, he probably does
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he has a huge closet with everything he ever had.
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He really likes old into shirts and I've seen him
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wearing Budgy and Girls School and all kinds of you
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know shirts. Even a band I had for a while
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called Redia Moscow, he wore that for ages.
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Wow, like what it influenced because me too, Like I
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had diamond Head albums because of Metallica. I had Budgy
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albums because of Metallica. It's kind of wild that, like
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you never found I was at that first gig over
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I would have never thought either.
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But they wore their influences proudly on their sleeve, didn't they.
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They didn't try to hide and pretend, you know, it's
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all totally original. You have to get it from somewhere.
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But they were, you know, more open than most to say, look,
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this is where it came from.
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I give them credit for that, right, this is the.
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Band, these are the bands that influenced us.
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I give them credit because you're right, A lot of
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bands don't do that. And they're like so vulcal about it.
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Even now in interviews they talk about diamond Head double
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album just of cover right then and then like they
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even talk about now about how Saxon took them out,
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and maybe if it weren't for Saxon taking them out,
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who knows if we'd even moment at this point. That's right,
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So tell me one story, good or bad, that is
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the most memorable of yours in your whole musical career.
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I don't know.
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I mean, it's it's been a you know, I've been
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I've been to see Metallica many times over the years,
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and I remember what we did one gig, no sorry,
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they played the one hundred Club and I went along
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to that and I think it was maybe one of
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Jason's first gigs, and it was really really hot, I
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think to the point where then you know that people
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were passing out. It was so crowd It was like
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two hundred people who rammed into this club that normally
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built for about one hundred people. But Lars wanted to
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come back to the Midlands next day, and he just
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hired a taxi. We got in a taxi and he
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just said, can you take us back to the Midland,
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which is about one hundred and ten miles.
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And just paid the going cash. Nice thought that was okay,
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Rockstock there it is there. It is so I personally
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am very happy. I'm going to get to catch you
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here at Bloodstock tonight. Yeah, looking forward to It's going
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to be so much fun. And I want to thank
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you for giving us great both sax and giving us
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and you yourself giving us great music forever, you know,
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my whole life, and thanks for being on the inventions
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of peipe man.
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Well, I mean, I think we all love it, don't
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we really?
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You know, I've been a fan. Once you become a
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rock fan, it never leaves, now, does it.
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You're there for life.
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Yeah, I still you.
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Know, love the bands from the seventies, and I still
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want to, you know, practice and get better. And I
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enjoy playing live and enjoy making records.
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So see, I love hearing. That's what makes you a
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rock star, not being a rock star. It's enjoying it
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and having fun, you know, being the big I am
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no exactly. And when people tell me, and I have
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people that have told you, oh, I used to listen
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to metal, I'm like, then you didn't really listen to metal,
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because there's no use to Once a metal head, once
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a rocker, always a rocker. And you are and you're
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going to kick it here at Bloodstock. Thanks for being here.
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Thank you, thanks for having me. Hello, this is Brian
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Tatler from Saxon and you're listening to the Pipe Man
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at W four cy dot com.
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Thank you for listening to the adventures of Pipeline.
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I'm W for CUI Radio.
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