April 9, 2026

The Divine Project - Don't Startle The Murder - Pipeman Interview

The Divine Project - Don't Startle The Murder - Pipeman Interview

Season 20, Episode 36 of The Adventures of Pipeman. Rebirth marks the first brick in the house of music rebuilt by The Divine Project. Year after year, this entity has continued to grow and search for the souls that would bring it back to life. The...

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Season 20

Season 20, Episode 36 of The Adventures of Pipeman.

Rebirth marks the first brick in the house of music rebuilt by The Divine Project. Year after year, this entity has continued to grow and search for the souls that would bring it back to life. The goal of this EP was to pay homage to all that The Divine Project had accomplished, but at the same time introduce the next divergence.

A blend of not just musical influences, but musical growth. Rebirth not only stands as a testmament to the growth of The Divine Project, but showcases the next generation of its sound. We love what we created, and we hope you love it as well. Thank you for listening, and for coming along on this story with us. Let us know which is your favourite song. -Ro, Derek, Mitch, David, Eric

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Hey, you love them too? The censure wow for you you.

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Rise, Rise.

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This is the Pipe Man here on the Adventures pipe

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Man W four c Y Radio. And I'm here with

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our next guest who has some badass music and they're

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from our neighbors to the north, who I love so much.

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They don't love us much anymore because we're a bunch

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of idiots that are the only one that argue with Canadians,

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who are the nicest people on the planet and uh,

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some of the best musicians too. So my question is

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is the Divine Project one of those best Canadian musicians?

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Oh? Absolutely, Like I'd like to say that. You know,

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if you haven't heard of us, well now you now

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you're about to.

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I do. I am always amazed at Canadian band, especially

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when they're three piece bands, Like how they just make

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so much Like you take a band like Rush, they

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make so much more music than even a band like Sliptnant.

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As nine people in the band and with only three

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it's wild to me.

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Well, I mean I'll say right here and like right here,

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just nine people, that's a lot of drama and a

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lot of conflict waiting.

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To happen, right right. I think you're better off with

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three people in the band, you're more likely to last.

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I think, oh absolutely.

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So what is it about Canada that makes you guys

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like better musicians? Uh?

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I'd like to chalk it up to the frigid temperatures

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in our constant fight to stay warm and fed, but

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obviously we know that's all a myth. But I don't know.

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I think it's just a lot of the fact that

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we're a much tighter community up here when it comes

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to the music scene. Yeah. I think a lot of

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local scenes are always tight, but here, you know, there's

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less opportunity in the grand scheme of things to you know,

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there's not so many festivals and venues in our city,

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and in a lot of cities right now are kind

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of shutting down and they're not really you know, putting

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on local showcases because it's all about DJs and booze

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sales now. And I think it's that cohesion between us

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fellow artists, the bands just bans the media. Everything music

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really in the scene, whether it's metal, rock, hip hop,

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doesn't matter if you're in that sort of art scene.

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It's about perseverance because it's such a difficult situation.

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Yeah, one hundred and I still think too. The first

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thing you said was correct too with the weather, because listen,

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nobody fucking wants to go out in that weather, so

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you got nothing else to do but to stay in

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and practice, you know. And I think it is true

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because you look at like an Amn's, you look at

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less Scandinavian bands, and they're just great musicians, because what

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else are you going to do?

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I mean, some people like to ski, but hey, I

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mean here.

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He got me that was staying inside and practicing all day.

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That was literally me all of high school.

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Right, that's you.

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That's how you become good.

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Though.

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Listen. I'm originally from Jersey, where I was cold, but

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then my dad moved me in nineteen eighty to La

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where it wasn't and I played drums for nine years, sucked,

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played guitar, sucked, and sang thresh mellow sucked. What was

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the common denominator? It was too fucking nice out. I

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was going surfing and shit, you know, like, oh, I

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sit on the practice all day. I just want to

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play the song. You know. It was funny because I

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was interviewing the first interview of the day with Vinnie

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Apissy and I said to him, I was like, yeah,

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the first song I ever learned on guitar was Heaven

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and Hell. You know, most it's like smoke on the water.

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But then that's about as far as I went because

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there was always something else to do.

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I mean, that's that's kind of a good thing as well,

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Like you keep on living right exactly, you pick your

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path and you know it's not just wasting away in

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your bedroom in the wood.

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Nah, I wouldn't say you wasted away, Dave.

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Yeah, I don't know was away. Like you look at

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Randy rhodes Man. He practiced eight hours a day and

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I remember that and I was like, fuck, I'm not

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gonna practice eight hours a day. But he's awesome, And

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I think that's why I remember thinking, that's what it takes.

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You know, it's hard to be a musician. I was

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just talking about this in the last interview. But you

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know it's also hard because they don't realize what you

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have to do to actually learn your craft. That's huge.

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You know, people think, oh, you just pick up a

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guitar and start playing, pick up a mic and start singing.

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Just like we were talking the last and I think

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it was the last interview I was talking about, you know, singing.

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You know, if you don't if you're singing like death metal,

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thrash metal or anything like that, if you don't know

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the technique, you're gonna fry your voice real quick. And

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that's what happened to me. Like I just fry. Like

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even now. Sometimes I'll sing a song on my show

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and if I can make it through one song, it's

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a lot. And I'm like, and some of these dudes

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are doing it for two hours or like you take

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somebody like Courtney from spirit Box and I'm like I

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look at her in like awe, at her mouth and

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the movement and I'm like, holy fuck, how does she

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do that? And then go so easily back and forth

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to melodic to that or Tatiana from Ginger, you know,

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it's like I'm just in such awe, Like how do

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you do that for an hour? Two hours or anything

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like that? And it's it's practice and training.

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Yeah, and also you know, go back to it. It's perseverance, right,

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It's especially you know as the vocalist, it's something I

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can touch upon is just you know, it's not even

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the conditioning to sing, you know, for a while there

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I studied with actually Shania Twain's vocal coach who he

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passed away last year, but he taught me so much

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and it was one thing he always said is, you know,

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get on the ground and get like put your legs

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up and be like almost like a plank. You know,

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you're holding your legs up and you're engaging your core

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and then do your scales. And there's so much physical

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conditioning to be able to perform these vocal acrobatics. Right,

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you can get on stage and sing just fine, but

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when it comes to heavier music and utilizing all these

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different techniques, it's physical conditioning. It's also definitely, you know,

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physical health has a lot to do with it if

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you have if you have TMJ, then I you know,

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I have a lot of TMJ issues. I'm using all

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the alternate therapies I can to just make sure that

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this is constantly loose, because that's really what's going to

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at the end of the day, help me create the

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different sounds from you know, low growls to high fries

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to even just you know, distorting my voice properly and

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holding different notes while you know, just holding different notes

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and keeping that kind of that yeah, you know, kind

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of going on that whole James Hetfield kind of situation.

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Right, Yeah, yeah, right, I'm not.

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A vocalist, you know, and there's and and to any

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aspiring vocalists, and I'm sure there's tens of thousands, you know,

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and people who are more and more interested in it,

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especially in like i'd call this renaissance of metal. There's

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so many online resources out there. But it's also about

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being careful because it does come easier for some than others.

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And I think learning to properly condition yourself physically and

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your is going to be important. And that's what makes

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you know, Courtney or Tatiana or just a lot of

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these other vocalists be able to perform for that hour,

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for those two hours, right, and of course giving yourself

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the time to rest.

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As well, totally. And like I used as an example

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of the opposite end, one of my favorite vocalists but

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definitely had to change was Olie from bringing Awrives. And yeah,

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he was blowing out his voice, you know, and he

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was told, if you continue singing like this, you'll be done.

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And I think you have to know how to pivot,

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that's for sure. But that's also I think a product

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of maybe he didn't train properly from the very beginning.

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You know, yeah, who knows.

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You see that a lot with you know, a lot

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of i'd say more underground bands that are touring, and

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even you see it a lot with the major artists,

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right like Chad Kroger had to cancel how many tours

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with how many shows with nickel back because he had

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vocal I think your cists not even polyps or not? Yes, right,

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And you know that's something we're always living in fear of,

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especially you know, when we're blurting it out and and

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just sending it to the crowd. It's not it's not

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always uh, it's not always something that we could just

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not think about, right because one wrong move and that's

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you know, that's that's it for now, for a little

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bit into the future and hopefully not forever. But also

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in the case of Olie, I'd absolutely say that he's

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way better than he used to be. The first Bring

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Me the Horizon album has a very special place in

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my heart. However, I think with his vocal transformation, he

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really managed to bring BMTH to a completely different level

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than they would have been otherwise.

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You know what's funny about that because I agree with that,

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and I'm a little different than the average because they're

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like one of my favorite bands. Okay, but I didn't

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get into himntil like around that's the spirit, and then

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I went back whereas most metal bands, like I was

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there from the beginning. Like you mentioned Hetfield, I was

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at Metallica's first show ever. I was at slayers first

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show ever. So what I'm about to say doesn't hold

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true for them. Okay, I liked him better now, Like

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you know, Simpleternal is one of my favorites. That's the

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spirit is one of my favorites. But just his diversity

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and his melodic tone. Now, whereas most that would have

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been me the original bring me fans or like sellout

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poser blah blah blah, I did that when Metallica it

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came out with black and like fucking posers sellouts, I'm

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not listening to your ass anymore. And that that, and

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you know, it's funny. I was just saying this earlier,

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but now you take hat Field and he was interviewed recently.

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I've said this a few times because it so blows

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my mind. You know, they play seek and Destroy at

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the San Jose Shark Games, but they played the original version,

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and he goes, I don't get why they played that version.

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I didn't know how fucking sing man. Now I know

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I sing played the version. Now I hate that version,

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and me, I love his voice in the beginning, like that,

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to me, that's the better hat Field voice. So it

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just I think it's when you come in with these bands,

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like when you're a teenager and these bands are like

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a garage band, you want to stay a garage band.

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So if they start evolving and becoming better musicians or

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sell out posers, which is as an adult, is stupid shit,

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Like why wouldn't you want to get better? Why when

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an artists want to improve their craft, why would you

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want to stay a teenage garage quality, you know, type

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of thing. So I think that's the interesting part right there,

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you know, And that I think a lot of people

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that listen don't realize and don't realize what you have

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to do as artists to pivot to stay relevant.

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There's a lot of maneuvers that you gotta look out

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for when staying relevant, for sure. So I'd say, like

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even with our material now, like the we've kind of

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molded this identity where we don't have a set sonic signature,

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like you know, it's TDP, but it's always we always

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try our best to cover like a wide range, like

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we're trying to set a precedent of unprecedented with each

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track that we work on.

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I love that. That's so old school, by the way,

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because I always talk about now like metal bands they

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follow this formula like and they exactly literally they all

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sound the same. And I remember being teenager and like

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parents saying, oh that that metal shit, it all sounds

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the same. I'm like, no, it doesn't. And now it

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does sound the same, like.

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It's it's I think it's also you know, over time,

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these genres are subgenres of metal, just they kind of

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identify themselves. And you know, there's a lot of bands

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that I love and a lot of bands that have

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played an important role in my life, you know, from

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Trivium to children about Him and even recently, you know,

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I love Laurna Shore Right.

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My god, he's another one. How the hell does he

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not lose his voice?

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Ah? Well, you can watch that video where they stick

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the camera down his throat. That's actually great watch if

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you haven't seen that. And they actually, yeah, they actually

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kind of go into it, and you know, definitely he

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gave his tips out on how he does, you know,

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how he makes those sounds. Now, everybody's body is different,

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so don't expect to sound like him. But you know,

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I've used a lot of those techniques that he put

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out there, and I've been able to myself create new sounds. Right,

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it's kind of you're playing with sound and then you know,

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like David said, we were not setting any particular precedent

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in our sound. You can hear a song, you can

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hear another song, and you'll of ours and you'll see, okay,

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well this is one, this is two. Everything is different

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because there's different elements. But at the same time you're like, okay,

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but there it's still them. And even with what we're

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cooking up now, it's there is no defining you know,

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subgenre to our I.

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Love that to our sea because I fucking hate genres,

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the micro genres and subgenres. Like when I go I

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go on tour, I do coverage at music festivals all

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over US, UK and Europe. Like one of the things

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I do is sometimes I'll do as a question, if

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you were to pick your own genre that was only

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your band, what would be what would you name it?

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Because that's pretty much how ridiculous it has gotten, like

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it's so finite and to your point, before okay, so Metallica,

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before there was a thrash metal, they were considered power

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metal for a minute because there was no such thing

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as thrash metal. You know what it was like. There

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was metal basically, you know, and it didn't have to

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be separated like that, and then it did start separating.

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It just became more and more to now there's so

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many ridiculous genres, subgenres, microgenres, like you can't even name

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them all. We wouldn't have enough time during this.

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Lord, no, absolutely not. And you know it's also I

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think when going back to you know, the whole bring

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me the Horizon conversation right where there were almost this

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death core heavy metalcore band at the start, and while

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they still retained you know, that metal core element, they

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went definitely more poppy, right or electronic or synthetic or

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whatever you want to say in their sound. They definitely

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strayed far from where they were in the beginning. And

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you know, people are like posers, sellouts, whatever, and that's

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one thing we wanted to avoid because at the end

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of the day, every band and all of us musicians

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were artists, right. We want to create, and I think

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especially when you have members coming from a variety of

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different backgrounds musically, in terms of training, in terms of

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just the bands we like and our inspirations, and even

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then what we enjoyed to listen to and our guilty pleasures,

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like I will put on the Back Boys every day

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if I have the choice, just because I grew up

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with that, right, Or I'll put on you know, your

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Riah Heat because it's one of my mom's favorite bands.

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And then you kind of go through this and you go, well,

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there's no reason to just define yourself. So let's you know,

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subvert any expectations that anyone has of us. So they

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can't say we sold out, they can't say, you know,

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we change. Man, We're not the same divine project that

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we used to be and we always want and I

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think as artists we should be allowed to, you know,

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freely express ourselves. And that's all, you know, one of

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those whole with the whole micro genre subgenre conversation, I

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think it's you know, people are imposing limits upon themselves

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in in an effort originally to be unique, right, because

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you can categorize your music as X, Y or Z

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And yes, I said zed, so.

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Please have a good laugh.

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Okay, but right, But it's one of those things where

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you know, it's imposing those limitations, I think becomes a

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bit of a problem. And then that's why you see

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bands dry up. That's why you see them kind of

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fade out, uh, break apart, build new projects because one

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wanted to go in one direction and other people wanted

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to go in another. Right, and sometimes that band still

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stays the same, they sound different because the parts that

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made them special have disappeared, and then they either become

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bigger or you know, they they don't. But I think

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it's all about, you know, freedom of artistic expression and

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not allowing yourself to get categorized as any one particular thing.

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And so I'm one hundred percent for the you know,

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subgenre nano genre argument, like fuck that, And.

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You just spoke my language completely because you know, back

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in the day, I remember when I was playing guitar,

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my dad would yell from the other room. He's like,

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you sucks, you should give that up. And he was

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saying that because I was just experimenting with the sounds,

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you know, and seeing what I could make as a sound.

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And I think that's what started metal really was making

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experimental sounds. And like you mentioned, you're Riyah heat. Okay,

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that's one of Metallica's influences, you know. And that is

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a difference is my generation's influence. We didn't have this

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that we have now. The influences were at heaviest Priests

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and Maiden, but they were usually UFO, maybe Mountain Zeppelin,

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you know, and that was the evolution, whereas now you're

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taking bands like Possessed and Venom being the influences. So

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I've think that also creates that tighter you have to

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it has to be just like this, you know type

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of thing. But I think we all have different tastes

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in music, you know. It's funny people ask me what

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type of music I like. I say, I have a

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lot of but my passion is for metal and punk.

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But I also like this, this, this, this, this, this, this,

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you know, and it's just music. It's all music. It's

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a different vibe, you know. I was somebody that as

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a teenager, I went to Slayer shows on Friday night

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and Dead shows on Saturday, and you know, it's like,

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you know, it's I think that's what we're losing now

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is a love artists nowadays they're not taking those multiple

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influences where I think bands like you, they're the bands

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that are going to stick around because that's how you

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create the unique sound is by blending all these multiple

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influences to create what you sound like. And then also

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to your point of what you're saying, going back to Olie,

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when when I was getting all the shit for the

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music New music, Allie said something, I thought, what's brilliant?

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He goes, why do I want to write the same

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song over and over again? And I think about that

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and like, if I was an artist and I had

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to do that, it'd be frickin' boring.

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Oh yeah, yeah.

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I make it a point to like when we're writing songs,

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I make sure to like never write the same style twice,

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or like if we pull like a you know, a

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specific musical trope out of a bag of tricks, I

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always make sure, like do we do this last song?

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Can we try something different? Can we stay fresh?

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You know?

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Like that's I love that.

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That's just like the mindset when we go in.

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When I go in, so what I want to know

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is what starred to all for both of you, Like,

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when did you know that music was your path in life?

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What happened?

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Oh?

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I know when I was starting to learn guitar in

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high school. At some point I started, I stopped learning

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songs and started messing around on my own.

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And I remember one.

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Day I was just looking up for ways to record

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myself and I discovered Audacity.

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You know, that free audio editor on the.

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Which is so robust now and it's still.

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I haven't I haven't checked it out in a while,

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but apparently people can really cook with that thing, so

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kudos to them.

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I use it here at the radio studio here, actually

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better at all of them. It's better row tools or

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any of that shit. And nowadays it's so upgraded that

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it can do pretty much anything you need to do.

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That's awesome. I'll look into that.

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But yeah, I remember picking up Audacity like twenty thirteen

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or something, and I just recorded a couple of tracks

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for the first time, and I was like, whoa, this

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is different. Wait a minute, and from very despiraled.

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To just nice. Yeah, how about you?

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Oh well, I guess my story is a little bit

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longer because it goes all the way and goes back

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i'd say twenty seven years, twenty eight years. I was

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absolutely obsessed with Hansen when I was three four years old,

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all right. I even had I even had their like

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tour vhs and you know, umbob fever was everywhere in

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the late nineties, and I think the moment it happened

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was I was at an event with my parents and

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I just began dancing. The rest of the night beyond

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that as a blur, but everyone was clapping for me,

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and so that's when I found out I was the

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resident ham But it sort of evolved from there because

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I really wanted to mimic that, and my father being

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musician as well, you know, it kind of went wow,

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like all these guitars and whatnot, I have an interest

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in this, and so they put me on piano. You know,

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typical Eastern European upbringing. You learn piano, you gole, all right,

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and that was the start of it. And I really

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enjoyed just playing on piano, and you know, I kind

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of began experimenting with writing with my rudimentary ideas, and

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then when I was exposed over time to heavier music,

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and I really remember, you know, system of a down

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corn Being and Lincoln Park being my gateway into heavier music.

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It kind of became this while I started to experiment

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with writing lyrics, right, just these kind of darker lyrics,

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these different themes, and even almost ended up getting expelled

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from my elementary school for them. So that's that's a

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thing that happened. They thought I was possessed by the devil.

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But then again, the Catholic school system, well there you

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go at its finest and then yeah, I mean I

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didn't think I could sing people. You know, then my

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parents would push me. It's like you want this, Like

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then you have to show that you could do you

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could do this. So I was forced to go on

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stage sing found out I had a voice. People were like, well, shit,

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this kid can actually hold a tune, so let's use him.

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And I ended up really liking it and then putting

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everything together in my discovery of just heavy metal. You know,

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Iron Maiden was a big one. Hammerfall started getting into

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a lot of that power metal helloween right, Trivium I

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think was the biggest game changer for me. Just something

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about and this would have been about two thousand and four,

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two thousand and five, so right about the time Ascendency

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was coming out, and I just really liked Matt's voice

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and I was like, I'm going to forge my voice

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and my identity around this. And you know, I'd bounced

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around for several years through different genres, just kind of

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experimenting and finding myself. And then I think that really

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it went from just you know, learning to play the

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piano and dancing and you know, liking music and wanting

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to be like these people that I idolized to eventually

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forging my own musical identity through a very non linear

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path that when you look at it makes no sense,

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right from folk music to opera, traditional you know, performances,

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all the way to pop punk to metal to pop.

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I had a solo pop project I was just experimenting with,

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and you know, I love doing that, and I think

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that's where that was kind of the key that turned

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everything where I went. I did everything on my own.

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I paid for a studio, I paid for musicians, I

455
00:28:02.880 --> 00:28:07.000
wrote the songs, they put everything together. We recorded these songs,

456
00:28:07.000 --> 00:28:09.640
we put them out and they gained a little bit

457
00:28:09.640 --> 00:28:14.480
of traction, and you know, ultimately, well COVID kind of

458
00:28:14.680 --> 00:28:18.319
stopped that dead in its tracks because I had the

459
00:28:18.319 --> 00:28:23.960
bright idea of releasing these in September twenty nineteen. Needless

460
00:28:24.000 --> 00:28:28.279
to say, I think you know, it's it was definitely nonlinear,

461
00:28:28.400 --> 00:28:33.039
but it's been like I couldn't be happier with everything

462
00:28:33.079 --> 00:28:35.559
that I've experienced and everything that I've seen, and I

463
00:28:35.599 --> 00:28:38.960
think you know, as musicians, it's those experiences that mold

464
00:28:39.039 --> 00:28:44.880
us right, like it's having a Eureka moment and just realizing, like,

465
00:28:45.000 --> 00:28:47.720
you know, this really is what I want to do.

466
00:28:48.160 --> 00:28:50.519
Your day job beside, you got to pay the bills,

467
00:28:50.599 --> 00:28:53.920
but you know, you'd rather pay the bills doing something

468
00:28:53.960 --> 00:28:57.319
you love, or as that one interview goes, you know,

469
00:28:57.759 --> 00:28:59.559
don't love your job, job your love.

470
00:29:00.160 --> 00:29:05.680
Yeah, there you go, there we go. Because listen, we

471
00:29:06.359 --> 00:29:09.240
spend most of our life working. If we're not having fun,

472
00:29:09.680 --> 00:29:12.759
it really sucks to be blunt, you know. And if

473
00:29:12.759 --> 00:29:15.519
you're especially in this business, if you're in the music

474
00:29:15.599 --> 00:29:19.000
business and you're not having fun, this is the wrong

475
00:29:19.119 --> 00:29:22.319
business because if you're not having fun playing music, the

476
00:29:22.359 --> 00:29:27.319
rest of this business really sucks. So like, you better

477
00:29:27.359 --> 00:29:33.640
be having fun. And so tell us about rebirth.

478
00:29:36.079 --> 00:29:43.400
Ah well, four tracks of badassy from stuff that's all

479
00:29:43.440 --> 00:29:44.079
you need done?

480
00:29:44.079 --> 00:29:51.519
No, no, it was. It was I think a defining

481
00:29:51.559 --> 00:29:53.880
moment for us all when we got into the room together.

482
00:29:54.240 --> 00:29:58.599
So the band kind of rebuilt from the ashes. Eric,

483
00:29:58.960 --> 00:30:03.640
who's not with us here today, he you know, was

484
00:30:03.720 --> 00:30:06.799
always he always had this project, the Divine Project, going

485
00:30:06.839 --> 00:30:10.400
on and through several you know, I don't want to

486
00:30:10.440 --> 00:30:15.880
say failed, you know, versions of the band. Uh. He

487
00:30:16.039 --> 00:30:20.440
kind of came across us over time. And rebirth, I

488
00:30:20.480 --> 00:30:25.079
think is all of our musical rebirth. We got in

489
00:30:25.160 --> 00:30:28.759
that room and we finally wrote the things that we loved,

490
00:30:28.799 --> 00:30:30.599
we found a sound, and when we got to the

491
00:30:30.640 --> 00:30:34.079
studio and put everything together, finally it's you know, four

492
00:30:34.160 --> 00:30:38.680
tracks of pure badass energy, right, and it showcases us.

493
00:30:38.720 --> 00:30:42.240
And I'd say it's more than the band's rebirth or

494
00:30:42.319 --> 00:30:46.480
this project's rebirth. It's our own rebirth as artists and

495
00:30:46.559 --> 00:30:49.519
really getting in touch with ourselves and what we can

496
00:30:49.559 --> 00:30:50.720
do and what we can create.

497
00:30:51.880 --> 00:30:54.200
I think that's what it takes too. I think it's

498
00:30:54.279 --> 00:30:57.799
very rare that your junior high school or your high

499
00:30:57.799 --> 00:31:00.240
school friends that you put a band together that going

500
00:31:00.279 --> 00:31:03.759
to be on the same page after you become like

501
00:31:03.799 --> 00:31:06.559
an adult or whatever, you know, and you take any

502
00:31:06.599 --> 00:31:10.720
of the bands that really may big a lot of them.

503
00:31:10.720 --> 00:31:13.480
There was some transformation. You go back to the Beatles,

504
00:31:13.880 --> 00:31:18.799
there was transformation before they really made it. The Metallica

505
00:31:19.079 --> 00:31:23.279
perfect example, like had mistained stayed in the band, would

506
00:31:23.279 --> 00:31:25.880
we know Metallica today? I don't think so. I think

507
00:31:25.920 --> 00:31:29.559
there was too much ego between Laurs, James and Dave

508
00:31:30.200 --> 00:31:33.960
to have that long term chemistry that we have now.

509
00:31:34.319 --> 00:31:38.559
You know. Yet you have somebody like Kirk who doesn't

510
00:31:38.599 --> 00:31:43.599
mind not being the head honcho in charge, you know,

511
00:31:44.079 --> 00:31:47.119
and I think that works for them, you know. And

512
00:31:47.240 --> 00:31:51.359
there was mentioned earlier about you know, your own project needs.

513
00:31:51.400 --> 00:31:54.599
The reason Newstead left was because he wasn't allowed to

514
00:31:54.599 --> 00:31:58.319
do anything outside of Metallica, you know. And then even

515
00:31:58.519 --> 00:32:02.119
that caused James and Lars to think about and go,

516
00:32:02.880 --> 00:32:05.319
we were kind of dicks about that. That was stupid,

517
00:32:05.839 --> 00:32:09.079
you know. And so I think as you get older,

518
00:32:09.119 --> 00:32:11.880
it's just it's a normal thing to evolve. And then

519
00:32:12.079 --> 00:32:15.759
that's when you really find your people and you're as

520
00:32:15.799 --> 00:32:22.160
I would say, band soulmates, you know, because rarely are

521
00:32:22.200 --> 00:32:25.039
you on the same page as your teenage friends after

522
00:32:25.079 --> 00:32:26.519
you're a teenager.

523
00:32:26.720 --> 00:32:30.000
Yeah, no, that's that's a given. I can go back

524
00:32:30.039 --> 00:32:33.200
to my high school band and be like, oh, and like,

525
00:32:33.279 --> 00:32:35.880
while our drummer from my high school band actually went

526
00:32:35.920 --> 00:32:38.400
and did great things. He's a jazz drummer now.

527
00:32:38.960 --> 00:32:39.160
Nice.

528
00:32:39.640 --> 00:32:42.000
Definitely not on the same page we were back then,

529
00:32:42.599 --> 00:32:45.759
but you know, you know, in our own rights, I think, yeah,

530
00:32:45.799 --> 00:32:48.920
it's definitely like that personal evolution. And you know, so

531
00:32:48.960 --> 00:32:52.400
when you look at those, if you will, those I

532
00:32:52.440 --> 00:32:55.680
don't want to say romantic, but romanticize stories that you

533
00:32:55.759 --> 00:32:57.880
read about, you know, they were friends in high school

534
00:32:57.920 --> 00:33:01.319
and they formed a band and now famous, like you know,

535
00:33:01.599 --> 00:33:04.880
I think Green Day for example, right blinkin eighty two

536
00:33:04.920 --> 00:33:07.759
to an extent, all right, so when you look at that,

537
00:33:07.839 --> 00:33:10.160
it's just like, well, they got they got lucky.

538
00:33:11.160 --> 00:33:14.759
They also all have one common thing, the drama. Like

539
00:33:14.839 --> 00:33:17.799
look at again Metallica. They had to go through therapy,

540
00:33:18.240 --> 00:33:21.000
like a band going through therapy to stay together. Like

541
00:33:21.440 --> 00:33:24.119
there's a lot of drama that happens when you're not

542
00:33:24.480 --> 00:33:27.759
aligned anymore and you either have to do something to

543
00:33:27.880 --> 00:33:33.799
get back aligned or things change, and sometimes that's when

544
00:33:33.839 --> 00:33:35.119
the best things happen too.

545
00:33:35.279 --> 00:33:37.359
It's a relationship right at the end of the day.

546
00:33:38.200 --> 00:33:41.480
Hell yeah, I mean listen, if you're in a band,

547
00:33:41.920 --> 00:33:44.880
you spend more time with your bandmates than you would

548
00:33:44.960 --> 00:33:49.160
to somebody you're married to. But you know you're on

549
00:33:49.240 --> 00:33:54.640
the road under the not best of conditions. It's everything

550
00:33:55.039 --> 00:33:58.319
like you better really get along because everything else is

551
00:33:58.359 --> 00:34:00.079
gonna just make them on a fight.

552
00:34:03.039 --> 00:34:06.680
Or abandon your fellow bandmates at a gas station.

553
00:34:08.119 --> 00:34:14.800
That too, or like they did the Dave. You know.

554
00:34:15.320 --> 00:34:19.920
So it's good that you have this rebirth. It sounds

555
00:34:19.960 --> 00:34:23.159
like you're on the path now that this is what

556
00:34:23.239 --> 00:34:25.000
the divine project is and.

557
00:34:24.920 --> 00:34:27.199
Will be oh amen to that.

558
00:34:27.920 --> 00:34:31.079
M So tell everybody how they reach out to you.

559
00:34:31.119 --> 00:34:33.960
Guys on socials on the web, check out all your stuff,

560
00:34:34.360 --> 00:34:37.199
buy your merch. They can't listen to my show unless say,

561
00:34:37.199 --> 00:34:40.719
buy your merch, because they're fucking assholes.

562
00:34:40.760 --> 00:34:45.280
If they don't, well, okay, you got it, all right me?

563
00:34:46.039 --> 00:34:47.519
Oh I I talk too much, David.

564
00:34:47.519 --> 00:34:49.239
It's only all right, all right, all right, right.

565
00:34:49.639 --> 00:34:54.039
You can find us on our website ATDPP whatever that

566
00:34:54.079 --> 00:34:54.440
thing is.

567
00:34:54.639 --> 00:34:55.400
Www.

568
00:34:55.519 --> 00:35:00.519
There's like seven ws in there, probably tdpdofficial, dot calm.

569
00:35:01.000 --> 00:35:04.679
You can find all of our upcoming shows there. We

570
00:35:04.719 --> 00:35:07.320
will have a merch page up soon, but that's in

571
00:35:07.360 --> 00:35:09.440
the works. The only way to get merched is to

572
00:35:09.480 --> 00:35:11.320
show up to our shows right now.

573
00:35:11.239 --> 00:35:13.800
Which they should do anyway, which they should do anyway.

574
00:35:13.840 --> 00:35:15.679
Please drop by. We'd love to have you.

575
00:35:15.760 --> 00:35:18.039
We love to have tons of fun during our shows.

576
00:35:18.079 --> 00:35:21.960
It's going to be a riot. Yeah, it's gonna be.

577
00:35:23.440 --> 00:35:25.199
I don't know. I don't know how much we can announce.

578
00:35:25.280 --> 00:35:27.440
We are we allowed to say.

579
00:35:27.239 --> 00:35:31.480
Like future shows here, Well, we can mention north By Northeast. Yeah,

580
00:35:31.519 --> 00:35:34.280
we're part of the North By Northeast showcase this year.

581
00:35:34.840 --> 00:35:35.920
So that that's cool.

582
00:35:37.000 --> 00:35:39.800
Yeah, that was That was a big announcement for us

583
00:35:39.880 --> 00:35:43.039
to be able to make. Uh. The other one we

584
00:35:43.119 --> 00:35:49.400
can't announce just yet because we haven't gotten the resources

585
00:35:49.480 --> 00:35:49.840
to do.

586
00:35:49.920 --> 00:35:52.440
So you don't have to go ahead from like.

587
00:35:52.440 --> 00:35:56.719
The Yeah, yeah, we haven't gotten we haven't gotten to

588
00:35:56.760 --> 00:36:01.119
go ahead yet. But if you follow us at the

589
00:36:01.159 --> 00:36:06.320
Divine Project on most social media, whether that's TikTok, Instagram,

590
00:36:06.559 --> 00:36:11.719
Facebook threads, even on our website, if that's how you

591
00:36:11.760 --> 00:36:14.039
want to go about it, you'll be able to see.

592
00:36:13.840 --> 00:36:17.480
Our new, very exciting announcement. And while we may not

593
00:36:17.599 --> 00:36:20.920
be coming south of the border to you very soon,

594
00:36:23.119 --> 00:36:28.480
it's a very exciting opportunity, I think, and I think

595
00:36:28.480 --> 00:36:31.239
there will be a crowd. It'll be an absolute riot,

596
00:36:31.719 --> 00:36:36.159
new place for us to tear up and kind of show.

597
00:36:35.840 --> 00:36:36.360
Who we are.

598
00:36:37.000 --> 00:36:40.039
Nice. Well, we all need to escape the States to

599
00:36:40.280 --> 00:36:41.559
you guys anyway.

600
00:36:42.559 --> 00:36:45.039
Well come on buy you know, north by Northeast. We'll

601
00:36:45.159 --> 00:36:47.159
show you some good old Canadian hospitality.

602
00:36:47.159 --> 00:36:54.199
Eh, nice, nice and so yeah, I love it, and

603
00:36:54.360 --> 00:36:57.800
I love that they have to follow your socials so

604
00:36:57.840 --> 00:36:59.920
that they can find out the new stuff for sure.

605
00:37:00.000 --> 00:37:04.519
Oh yeah, and is there anything else you want the

606
00:37:04.559 --> 00:37:06.679
listeners to know that we haven't covered already.

607
00:37:09.519 --> 00:37:11.519
Even though we don't know you, we love each and

608
00:37:11.559 --> 00:37:13.920
every one of you from the very bottom of our hearts.

609
00:37:14.519 --> 00:37:20.679
That's not sarcasm, just because as as a band, as

610
00:37:20.719 --> 00:37:23.639
an artistic entity, it's your support at the end of

611
00:37:23.679 --> 00:37:25.880
the day that gets us through it all and drives

612
00:37:25.960 --> 00:37:27.880
us to do what we do. So that I think,

613
00:37:28.360 --> 00:37:30.079
you know, give yourselves a big pat on the back

614
00:37:30.119 --> 00:37:33.360
for supporting even your very own local artists, because it

615
00:37:33.400 --> 00:37:36.599
means so much more than I think anyone listening could

616
00:37:36.639 --> 00:37:37.360
even realize.

617
00:37:37.400 --> 00:37:40.440
Sometimes, right just being part of that crowd.

618
00:37:40.159 --> 00:37:43.000
And even participating, you know, there's five of you in

619
00:37:43.039 --> 00:37:45.159
the crowd and I ask you to go hey, and

620
00:37:45.239 --> 00:37:49.400
you do, like you know, that means so much more,

621
00:37:50.039 --> 00:37:54.159
you know than anyone could ever think, right it kind

622
00:37:54.159 --> 00:37:57.039
of it is that driving force, whether you're playing for

623
00:37:57.480 --> 00:38:00.400
two people and that's your parents, or your playing for

624
00:38:00.519 --> 00:38:03.440
you know, a sold out a sold out club, you know,

625
00:38:04.199 --> 00:38:08.400
of two hundred people, it's or even you know, ten

626
00:38:08.480 --> 00:38:12.039
thousand people. It's exactly that. And that's why those moments

627
00:38:12.079 --> 00:38:15.519
matter so much. And I think it lends itself to

628
00:38:15.559 --> 00:38:17.920
the energy because, like you said, like, why do it

629
00:38:17.960 --> 00:38:20.159
if you're not having fun? And I think part of

630
00:38:20.159 --> 00:38:25.079
the fun is interacting with everybody that we get to meet. Right,

631
00:38:25.719 --> 00:38:29.239
There's no there's no the stage shouldn't be some sort

632
00:38:29.239 --> 00:38:34.400
of pedestal, some sort of you know, elevated position physically.

633
00:38:35.280 --> 00:38:36.320
Not much we could do about that.

634
00:38:36.400 --> 00:38:40.119
But it never was that way either back in the eighties.

635
00:38:40.480 --> 00:38:43.199
You know it's Sunset Strip, Troubado or places like that.

636
00:38:43.800 --> 00:38:46.440
Like you were right there and everybody got up on

637
00:38:46.480 --> 00:38:48.880
the stage kind of like when Penny Wise does a show,

638
00:38:49.280 --> 00:38:53.400
Oh yeah, throw him everybody that was Every show was

639
00:38:53.519 --> 00:38:58.440
like that. Now, Like and stage dive, okay, how do

640
00:38:58.559 --> 00:39:01.440
people even stage dive? Off? Of a stage. Now, first

641
00:39:01.440 --> 00:39:03.360
of all, they don't let you on a second of all,

642
00:39:03.400 --> 00:39:06.039
you have to like dive like ten feet forward to

643
00:39:06.079 --> 00:39:07.079
get to the crowd.

644
00:39:07.920 --> 00:39:12.360
Yeah. Yeah, No, I don't think I've actually really seen

645
00:39:12.400 --> 00:39:15.280
a stage dive in any shows I've been to as

646
00:39:15.280 --> 00:39:19.679
of late. I think the last one was shutout of intent,

647
00:39:19.880 --> 00:39:22.199
Like you know, I think that's the last time I

648
00:39:22.239 --> 00:39:25.679
saw somebody stage dive, and even then security had to

649
00:39:25.760 --> 00:39:27.800
like basically push them off the stage.

650
00:39:27.960 --> 00:39:30.480
So yeah, well that's what used to happen to. You

651
00:39:30.519 --> 00:39:33.800
would just get up on stage and run from security.

652
00:39:35.000 --> 00:39:38.239
It's hard for the audience to reach the band that way,

653
00:39:38.480 --> 00:39:40.440
but we make it a point to jump into the

654
00:39:40.480 --> 00:39:42.360
crowd during every seat.

655
00:39:42.280 --> 00:39:45.320
So I see. I love when bands do that because

656
00:39:46.039 --> 00:39:49.480
that's how you get those loyal fans, because they realize

657
00:39:49.559 --> 00:39:51.920
you're just one of them. And that's the one thing

658
00:39:51.960 --> 00:39:56.360
about metal that's better than anything is metal musicians are

659
00:39:56.559 --> 00:40:01.159
metal heads, you know. And you know, so there's plenty

660
00:40:01.239 --> 00:40:07.039
of musicians and other genres that aren't even into their music, okay,

661
00:40:07.239 --> 00:40:11.400
but metal heads are normally true to the music and

662
00:40:11.440 --> 00:40:14.840
they're a fan first musician. Second.

663
00:40:16.719 --> 00:40:19.599
Yeah, it's definitely I've seen a lot of like pop

664
00:40:20.000 --> 00:40:23.119
or like just audiences that aren't really metal, and you

665
00:40:23.159 --> 00:40:25.760
see people just standing there watching and if you do

666
00:40:25.840 --> 00:40:28.400
any kind of moving you sometimes get dirty looks. But

667
00:40:28.480 --> 00:40:30.480
in metal shows you can have as much fun as

668
00:40:30.480 --> 00:40:33.199
you want, which is so nice to see.

669
00:40:33.559 --> 00:40:37.159
I was at a show recently that wasn't metal, and

670
00:40:38.079 --> 00:40:40.880
I was trying to get to the front and I

671
00:40:40.960 --> 00:40:43.159
wasn't even trying to do it for the normal reason

672
00:40:43.159 --> 00:40:44.360
I would do it. I was trying to do it

673
00:40:44.400 --> 00:40:47.719
so I could get to the photo pit as media,

674
00:40:48.519 --> 00:40:51.480
and these assholes would not let me through. And when

675
00:40:51.519 --> 00:40:53.840
I say these assholes, it wasn't a couple. It was

676
00:40:54.159 --> 00:40:57.679
like all these people and like, I don't subscribe to

677
00:40:57.719 --> 00:41:01.320
the I've been standing here all day for my spot thing. Okay,

678
00:41:01.679 --> 00:41:04.280
well then you're a loser if you're missing all the

679
00:41:04.320 --> 00:41:07.960
other bands because you want to get your spot, especially

680
00:41:08.000 --> 00:41:10.719
at metal show. And I see people that start getting

681
00:41:10.760 --> 00:41:13.440
mad because they're at a Slipknot show and they're at

682
00:41:13.440 --> 00:41:16.239
the very front and people are shoving them, like, where

683
00:41:16.239 --> 00:41:19.880
do you think you are the samet fucking Peter Pan man,

684
00:41:19.960 --> 00:41:24.239
it's Slipknot. You don't want to get bashed, get out

685
00:41:24.280 --> 00:41:29.119
of the way. Just my viewpoint. Okay, but it's like

686
00:41:29.519 --> 00:41:34.519
it's but at metal, it's like people aren't uncool like that,

687
00:41:34.639 --> 00:41:38.199
like it's metal gets a bad name. Metal Heads are

688
00:41:38.239 --> 00:41:41.760
the nicest people, one big family. Nobody's out to maim

689
00:41:41.840 --> 00:41:44.679
each other, nobody's out to hurt each other. You pick

690
00:41:44.760 --> 00:41:48.320
people up, and you know what if somebody, if I'm

691
00:41:48.400 --> 00:41:50.079
going through a crowd, all I have to do is

692
00:41:50.119 --> 00:41:52.599
say I'm heading to a pit, and the people will

693
00:41:52.639 --> 00:41:55.679
move out of my way and like, have at it respect.

694
00:41:56.400 --> 00:41:59.880
Go ahead, you say that at a country show and

695
00:42:00.079 --> 00:42:04.119
some redneck drinking Jack Daniels gonna want to punch you out. Okay,

696
00:42:05.480 --> 00:42:06.000
that's if.

697
00:42:05.960 --> 00:42:08.639
It's he can even afford Jack Daniels.

698
00:42:08.920 --> 00:42:12.880
Well here I'll give you my final story that you'll

699
00:42:12.920 --> 00:42:16.400
absolutely love. That's related to bring me the horizon.

700
00:42:17.360 --> 00:42:17.880
All right.

701
00:42:18.440 --> 00:42:21.199
So one one year, several years ago, I had to

702
00:42:21.199 --> 00:42:25.400
cover two festivals on the same weekend. Obviously I couldn't

703
00:42:25.400 --> 00:42:29.280
do that. So one of my engineers here in the studio,

704
00:42:29.639 --> 00:42:33.119
I was having her go do and cover this one festival.

705
00:42:33.320 --> 00:42:36.360
She had never been to a rock show ever, much

706
00:42:36.440 --> 00:42:40.599
less a metal show. She was a country girl, and

707
00:42:41.159 --> 00:42:43.239
so I said to her, I'm like listen, and she

708
00:42:43.360 --> 00:42:46.599
was really scared, and I'm like, listen, you're gonna have

709
00:42:46.639 --> 00:42:48.639
the best time of your life. This isn't like going

710
00:42:48.719 --> 00:42:51.280
on your one of your country shows where a bunch

711
00:42:51.360 --> 00:42:55.719
of redneck idiots are being macho and drinking Jack Daniels

712
00:42:55.760 --> 00:42:58.199
and kicking the shit out of each other. There actually

713
00:42:58.280 --> 00:43:02.440
isn't normally even a fight at metal shows. No, amash

714
00:43:02.440 --> 00:43:06.360
bit is not a fight. And I said, you're gonna

715
00:43:06.400 --> 00:43:08.400
go to this show and you're probably gonna make a

716
00:43:08.440 --> 00:43:11.960
bunch of new friends, you'll probably have a new boyfriend,

717
00:43:12.599 --> 00:43:16.239
and you'll see we're one big, happy family, and you'll

718
00:43:16.239 --> 00:43:18.920
have the best time of your life. So she comes

719
00:43:18.960 --> 00:43:22.199
back after the weekend she goes, oh my god, you

720
00:43:22.239 --> 00:43:25.440
are so right. I tea bag some dude as my

721
00:43:25.519 --> 00:43:29.159
boyfriend now and I have all these people was hanging

722
00:43:29.199 --> 00:43:32.239
out with, I was friends with, and I have this

723
00:43:32.440 --> 00:43:35.159
new favorite band I don't know if you know who

724
00:43:35.159 --> 00:43:42.559
they are there called bring Me the Horizon. Then, and

725
00:43:42.719 --> 00:43:45.360
I think that you know, that is the point. I

726
00:43:45.360 --> 00:43:49.760
think if people experienced it, they would realize it's not

727
00:43:49.880 --> 00:43:51.880
as scary as they think. But then I interview a

728
00:43:51.920 --> 00:43:54.159
bunch of bands at festivals. I'm like, let's let them.

729
00:43:54.480 --> 00:43:56.559
Let's let them the bands will be Let's let them

730
00:43:56.639 --> 00:43:58.960
keep thinking we're a bunch of scary people so we

731
00:43:58.960 --> 00:44:01.920
can keep the assholes out because it is true, that

732
00:44:02.119 --> 00:44:06.440
is what keeps the assholes out. But you know, and.

733
00:44:07.800 --> 00:44:08.119
I did.

734
00:44:08.239 --> 00:44:11.400
There was Oh I got another bring Me a quick one.

735
00:44:11.679 --> 00:44:15.800
I was doing download and bring Me was headlining, and

736
00:44:15.840 --> 00:44:18.000
there was this dude. He must have been like six

737
00:44:18.079 --> 00:44:22.559
foot seven, five hundred pounds, big fucking dude. He came

738
00:44:22.599 --> 00:44:26.079
into the pit and he started doing what those people do,

739
00:44:26.320 --> 00:44:30.440
like showing how big and tough. He was like, those

740
00:44:30.440 --> 00:44:32.760
are the people. I'm a little dude. I let I'll

741
00:44:32.760 --> 00:44:36.280
come around the pit like and then like Mike Tyson,

742
00:44:36.440 --> 00:44:38.360
lunge up from underneath you and I'll be on the

743
00:44:38.400 --> 00:44:40.639
other side of pit before he even saw who it was.

744
00:44:41.159 --> 00:44:44.000
Type of thing, you know, but they always like want

745
00:44:44.000 --> 00:44:47.039
to show how tough they are. And then everybody just

746
00:44:47.159 --> 00:44:49.400
teamed up and pushed this dude out of the pit.

747
00:44:49.440 --> 00:44:51.800
He was picking on the little dudes and try and

748
00:44:51.840 --> 00:44:54.039
act all tough, and then one dude that was bigger

749
00:44:54.079 --> 00:44:57.039
than him walked up to him and he's like, yeah,

750
00:44:57.039 --> 00:44:59.880
why don't you push me around? And he took him

751
00:45:00.079 --> 00:45:03.679
a pit, and the dude was sitting outside the pit

752
00:45:03.800 --> 00:45:06.159
the rest of the time just looking in because he

753
00:45:06.280 --> 00:45:08.519
was being watched, and he wasn't allowed back in the

754
00:45:08.519 --> 00:45:14.719
pit again. So that's our metal family. That's our metal family.

755
00:45:14.840 --> 00:45:18.920
That's the way it should do. I have a solution

756
00:45:19.079 --> 00:45:22.199
to all the world's problems. We just need one big

757
00:45:22.280 --> 00:45:25.119
music festival everybody in the world is required to attend

758
00:45:25.400 --> 00:45:28.159
and throw everybody into a mash pit. We'll all work

759
00:45:28.199 --> 00:45:32.400
it out and we'll all come out friends. The war and.

760
00:45:33.880 --> 00:45:36.039
They just needed to hop into a wash pit too.

761
00:45:36.480 --> 00:45:39.960
Exactly, that's all. That's what they should have done. They

762
00:45:40.000 --> 00:45:43.840
spent all that money on therapy, just go to They

763
00:45:43.880 --> 00:45:46.079
should have got into like a Slayer show and jumped in.

764
00:45:46.199 --> 00:45:49.599
The back better than a worm hug anyways.

765
00:45:50.039 --> 00:45:53.639
Exactly. You could throw Dave in there too, you know,

766
00:45:54.880 --> 00:45:57.559
you know, you guys, wash it out, Dave, you and

767
00:45:57.639 --> 00:46:00.320
laws wash it out, okay, and get it out of

768
00:46:00.320 --> 00:46:00.960
your system.

769
00:46:01.800 --> 00:46:06.559
Yeah, I mean absolutely, why not? Right? But that's and

770
00:46:06.599 --> 00:46:09.639
that's definitely i'd say the magic of the metal community.

771
00:46:09.719 --> 00:46:12.199
I think there are other you know, when you look

772
00:46:12.199 --> 00:46:17.000
at similar communities, or communities that are like in tandem.

773
00:46:17.199 --> 00:46:20.239
If you look at like the punk community, the emo

774
00:46:20.360 --> 00:46:24.280
community or whatnot, there's definitely less of that camaraderie, a

775
00:46:24.320 --> 00:46:28.920
lot more drama even attending no effects shows. You know,

776
00:46:29.000 --> 00:46:32.280
I was at the you know, the Gray Star City

777
00:46:32.360 --> 00:46:36.920
with the twenty five years of Fat Wrecked, which absolutely fantastic,

778
00:46:37.159 --> 00:46:39.960
you know festival that it was, But the amount of

779
00:46:40.480 --> 00:46:44.760
drama I saw just around the pit, right just in

780
00:46:44.800 --> 00:46:49.199
the crowd because you did have you know, those guys

781
00:46:49.239 --> 00:46:51.800
show up that think they're bigger than everybody else and

782
00:46:51.840 --> 00:46:54.000
just start wind milling in the middle of the pit

783
00:46:54.119 --> 00:46:56.760
and it's just like no one's going near there. But

784
00:46:56.760 --> 00:46:59.119
then leave it to like the five foot nothing like

785
00:46:59.639 --> 00:47:02.119
chick with blue hair to fucking just knock him out.

786
00:47:02.559 --> 00:47:03.559
Oh yeah, I love it.

787
00:47:05.639 --> 00:47:08.599
Are the biggest badasses in the pit, Like I love.

788
00:47:08.480 --> 00:47:09.280
Sing that shit.

789
00:47:09.480 --> 00:47:13.599
Man. Oh yeah, wait, Like I'm six four, so I'm

790
00:47:13.679 --> 00:47:15.719
you know, it's like seeing another tall dude in the pit,

791
00:47:15.760 --> 00:47:19.159
it's like whatever, like you know, we're we're gonna bump,

792
00:47:19.199 --> 00:47:22.079
but like whatever, I'm scared of the five foot nothing,

793
00:47:22.159 --> 00:47:25.159
four foot eleven girl with like five different colors in

794
00:47:25.199 --> 00:47:28.639
her hair and like twenty different piercings, like just sending

795
00:47:28.679 --> 00:47:31.679
it because she's launching like all one hundred pounds of

796
00:47:31.719 --> 00:47:34.840
her body weight at like maximum velocity at you. And

797
00:47:34.880 --> 00:47:36.679
it's just like, I'm gonna stay away.

798
00:47:36.480 --> 00:47:40.199
From that, no doubt. Like that. Listen, I'm five foot

799
00:47:40.280 --> 00:47:44.079
seven and you know I don't weigh much of anything.

800
00:47:45.280 --> 00:47:47.760
Don't get near me in the pit and try to

801
00:47:47.840 --> 00:47:48.480
fuck with me.

802
00:47:49.400 --> 00:47:49.599
You know.

803
00:47:51.719 --> 00:47:54.920
And it is like that, Like I even remember being younger,

804
00:47:55.599 --> 00:48:00.000
and it's like people would approach me, these big dudes

805
00:48:00.159 --> 00:48:02.199
and shit, and I would just look at him. I'm like,

806
00:48:02.320 --> 00:48:04.679
I'll kill you right where you stand. And they look

807
00:48:04.760 --> 00:48:07.320
down at me and they're like, I'm not fucking with him.

808
00:48:07.360 --> 00:48:14.880
He must be crazy, you know. So, and that is

809
00:48:14.960 --> 00:48:18.360
why I think you find that most metal heads are

810
00:48:19.039 --> 00:48:24.159
similarly my size, because that is the place we can

811
00:48:24.280 --> 00:48:27.679
be to get away from the buoys, you know, and

812
00:48:28.039 --> 00:48:30.079
those bullys that try to come in the pit, You're

813
00:48:30.119 --> 00:48:32.880
coming in our pit is kind of how it comes

814
00:48:32.920 --> 00:48:35.159
down to, and that's how you take care of them.

815
00:48:36.159 --> 00:48:39.760
There you go. So let's just solve all the world's problems.

816
00:48:40.559 --> 00:48:44.760
We should put like your Prime Minister and Trump into

817
00:48:45.000 --> 00:48:47.800
a mosh pit. Like a wall of death.

818
00:48:51.599 --> 00:48:56.920
Well, oh, man, do I want to be playing that show?

819
00:48:57.039 --> 00:48:58.599
Or do I want to be in the crowd for that?

820
00:48:58.719 --> 00:48:59.840
I don't know, I want to be.

821
00:49:00.079 --> 00:49:01.840
Want to be playing that show? Are you kidding me?

822
00:49:03.280 --> 00:49:04.320
The insane?

823
00:49:05.480 --> 00:49:07.639
That would be Uh, you know, we'll just take We'll

824
00:49:07.679 --> 00:49:12.760
take Carnie, We'll take uh, we'll take Trump, We'll take Putin,

825
00:49:13.159 --> 00:49:15.159
We'll take uh, what's that.

826
00:49:15.440 --> 00:49:18.159
The guy from Korea? North Korea?

827
00:49:20.639 --> 00:49:25.639
Yeah, yeah, we'll take uh, what's what's the leader from Belarus?

828
00:49:25.679 --> 00:49:26.239
What's his name?

829
00:49:27.360 --> 00:49:30.079
Hope and call any political leaders watching right now, we

830
00:49:30.119 --> 00:49:30.800
invite you.

831
00:49:31.039 --> 00:49:34.719
Come to a TDP show. We'll get you set up. Yeah, easy, and.

832
00:49:36.400 --> 00:49:36.519
Uh.

833
00:49:36.800 --> 00:49:39.239
The first one is secure world Peace gets free, gets

834
00:49:39.239 --> 00:49:39.880
a free hoodie.

835
00:49:40.400 --> 00:49:43.039
There you go. And and they can only get on

836
00:49:43.079 --> 00:49:46.800
the guest list if they're willing to go into the moshpit.

837
00:49:47.480 --> 00:49:47.880
Amen.

838
00:49:48.119 --> 00:49:52.920
That well, you guys fucking rock and everybody should check

839
00:49:53.000 --> 00:49:55.039
you out. And I hope to see a lot more

840
00:49:55.079 --> 00:49:56.800
of you, and I hope to see you at the States,

841
00:49:56.880 --> 00:49:59.360
that is, if we have the States before long.

842
00:50:01.559 --> 00:50:04.000
To see you at a show man, yeah, for sure.

843
00:50:04.280 --> 00:50:06.480
Definitely you have to. You guys got to hit up

844
00:50:06.519 --> 00:50:09.519
some of the Danny Wimmer festivals here or just meet

845
00:50:09.559 --> 00:50:13.119
me over in like download Bloodstock. Actually, you guys would

846
00:50:13.159 --> 00:50:16.440
probably be good at Bloodstock. That's a great festival. You

847
00:50:16.480 --> 00:50:18.519
know that festival. Check it out.

848
00:50:19.760 --> 00:50:20.360
Bloodstock.

849
00:50:20.719 --> 00:50:24.880
It's a killer it's a killer festival. Small community, you know,

850
00:50:25.079 --> 00:50:28.199
really decade metal people, the people that run into real

851
00:50:28.320 --> 00:50:31.840
dedicated to the music. It's not like you know, corporate

852
00:50:31.880 --> 00:50:35.159
America where it's all about the money and transactional. It's

853
00:50:35.440 --> 00:50:39.760
it's it's a real metal festival and they do cool shit.

854
00:50:39.920 --> 00:50:42.280
Like a couple of years ago, they have a surprise

855
00:50:42.360 --> 00:50:46.119
band every year that will play in like the small tent.

856
00:50:46.480 --> 00:50:48.320
A couple of years ago it was a machine Head.

857
00:50:48.880 --> 00:50:50.360
Oh what whoa.

858
00:50:51.760 --> 00:50:52.519
Last year?

859
00:50:53.199 --> 00:50:53.320
Uh?

860
00:50:54.320 --> 00:50:57.400
That was it there? I think it was there. I

861
00:50:57.480 --> 00:50:59.320
can't remember if it was their or hell Fest. I

862
00:50:59.320 --> 00:51:03.880
saw a nail like their first performance and since the

863
00:51:03.920 --> 00:51:07.280
beginning and what's supposed to be the last one, But

864
00:51:07.320 --> 00:51:10.000
then they did more after that because it's like, hey,

865
00:51:10.360 --> 00:51:14.480
everybody came out for this, you know, so next we'll

866
00:51:14.519 --> 00:51:18.559
see the Divine Project. You'll be the special surprise band.

867
00:51:19.400 --> 00:51:22.440
You know, we're not a band to turn away from opportunities.

868
00:51:22.599 --> 00:51:26.159
So yeah, whatever you put in front of us, whatever obstacles, whatever,

869
00:51:26.440 --> 00:51:27.320
whatever is in our way.

870
00:51:27.320 --> 00:51:28.840
Well, you know.

871
00:51:29.719 --> 00:51:32.440
Yeah, And if you guys watching and listening, if you

872
00:51:32.519 --> 00:51:35.480
want us to come down to where you are, follow

873
00:51:35.559 --> 00:51:37.920
us on socials, let us know you want to see us.

874
00:51:38.079 --> 00:51:39.840
We are down to tear up your town.

875
00:51:40.679 --> 00:51:43.760
Just give us a ring and they won't be sorry

876
00:51:43.800 --> 00:51:44.800
about it either.

877
00:51:44.840 --> 00:51:48.119
Absolutely not. Pas always we'll always make sure to have

878
00:51:48.119 --> 00:51:50.440
a special line emerge to commemorate the moment.

879
00:51:51.039 --> 00:51:52.599
I mean, I had to throw that in because you're

880
00:51:52.679 --> 00:51:54.920
Canadian and you guys always say sorry.

881
00:51:55.119 --> 00:51:59.960
Oh sorry, you're good.

882
00:52:00.599 --> 00:52:03.000
Yeah, let's girl friends with I was walking down the

883
00:52:03.079 --> 00:52:05.840
road in Costa Rica and she's on the phone with

884
00:52:05.840 --> 00:52:08.559
me and she heard somebody say sorry to me and

885
00:52:08.639 --> 00:52:19.039
she goes, were they Canadian? They were so all right? Well,

886
00:52:19.079 --> 00:52:21.440
you guys rock and thanks for being on the Adventures

887
00:52:21.440 --> 00:52:21.960
of Pipe Man.

888
00:52:22.519 --> 00:52:24.280
Thanks for having us on this one man.

889
00:52:25.119 --> 00:52:29.880
Thank you for listening to the Adventures of Pipemin on

890
00:52:30.599 --> 00:52:33.320
w for CUI Radio.