Victoria Lies: Connecting Metal Scenes and Releasing Vendetta for Halloween

0:04 Hey, you're listening to Adventure on W4CY Radio. This is the Pipe Man here on the Adventures of Pipe Man W4CY Radio. And I'm here with our next guest. They have some killer music. And for my friends from the north, I do a lot of Canadian bands because they're just nice people. Regardless of what Floridians like to say. But yeah, so let's welcome to the show Victoria Lies. How are you?

0:45 Hey, thanks for having us, man. Yeah, we're doing great. Hey, I got to tell you, I'm going to do something I never, ever do. And basically, I'm going to ask you if Victoria really does lie, because I know a lot of Victorias then. She does. She does. I never talk about band names, but I thought I'd ask if Victoria was. I believe that. There's a reason to the lying, though. It's not just for fun. Is that a story you want to tell?

1:25 It is. Brett, do you want to take the story? Yes. Yes. So essentially the idea of Victoria Lies, it's surrounding a concept about a revenge story about a woman who's been through the ringer with her partner and essentially turns around and instead of healing, she finds that the only way to heal is to kill. And so she does everything she can to get what she wants. And that means she lies to everybody. Nothing she says is true unless it's on the path to getting what she wants. So that's the whole idea around it. See, I knew I knew a bunch of them already.

2:06 Pretty much probably everybody I've ever dated. Or at least the two that I married, for sure. I might be dealing with one of them right now. You never know. Send them the clips. I know, right? That's what I should do. I'll just. I'll just tag them all. Yeah. I'll do a clip of the interview and I'll tag them all. Even in Canada, they know you guys lie. So what's, you know, come on. Exactly. Exactly. See, you know, if in Canada, we're the, they're the nicest people and they're sorry for everything. If they know you lie, you're a liar, man. Yeah. So, Okay, so I want to know how somebody ends up from Jacksonville in Canada.

3:05 Yeah, so I was in a lot of bands back in the early 10s, right, when Metalcore was coming out. And then I decided to be a teacher in South Korea. met my wife there in Seoul. And she was like, yeah, I'm from Canada. And I said, hey, what a coincidence. I want to move to Canada. I didn't at the time. But then I realized I needed to get the hell out of Florida. Love visiting Florida. But being from Duval, I've had my fair share of the beaches. I've done it all. I enjoy Florida. So I go down to visit the folks. But the wife was from here. I came here. Rory had an ad for a band called that was, uh, it's now defunct, but it was our previous project met him, Brad, our other guitar player, Chris. And, uh, I was like, Hey guys, I'm from Florida. And they said, we won't hold it against you.

3:54 Just, we said, we know Jay, we know. You're from Florida. Uh, so that's the inside joke too, is I can't meet somebody with, you know, five minutes passing me just saying I'm from Florida. It's actually true. Well, you know, It's funny. I go on tour and I do, you know, media coverage at festivals all over the world. And when they always ask me where I'm from, I'm like, well, I live in Florida. I'll never claim being from Florida. Wait, so where are you? Are you still like technically from it or you just live there? I'm not. I'm still never from it because I was born in New York, grew up in Jersey and then 1980. My dad came up to me, said, meet your new mother and pack your bags. We're moving to California in three days. So I spent the 80s at the L.A.

4:40 Sunset Strip. Oh, not bad. And the Bay Area when the Strip got so ridiculous and I had to go for real metal up in the Bay Area. Right. And now that I've come to Canada and found a successful band or, you know, I'd say successful. Look, my measurement of success is I haven't killed anyone yet. Right. Like the bar is in hell. Right. Now all I want to do is take you guys out of Alberta and put us back into Florida. So it's all going full circle. Well, there you go. And nobody likes to come to Florida anyway, because especially my part of Florida, Jacksonville, yes, because, you know, you can hop over from Atlanta on a tour to go there. But to come down to my area, that's a major pain in the ass for a band.

5:22 You have to come all the way down and then go all the way back up. Like it's two days of wasted days with no gigs because you're traveling. Just on the donger of America. Yeah. You just spend the time going up and down. Plus we have a lot of assholes here in South Florida. So I, you know, I'm not sure which is worst of all or here, but, uh, I, I, we could probably compare notes, especially since we in South Florida used to keyword used to have a lot of French Canadians here. Yeah. All those Quebec plates. Yeah. Yeah. They're most of them are gone. You know, like as soon as we became the only free state in the United States, that's when they had to leave. But yeah, I don't know. It's funny what goes on nowadays that we need music more than ever, man, for therapy. You know, I think just knowing the story behind your band, the name, man, that means your music's definitely therapy for me, for sure. Yeah, right.

6:31 I know all the Victorians, you know, you're about to have a major outlet of emotion here. I know, no doubt. I think it should be a thing like Karen. It should be just all the women that lie, get revenge, treat you like a douche. We just call them Victorian. We don't let them know. So the women never know. That's why we're calling them that. I think I'm going to start that trend. I'll start it with the reel from this interview. When, when, when I, yeah, we'll see how it tracks up here and then we'll, we'll compare notes. I know. Right. So I have to ask too, what, like, why would you want somebody from Florida? Cause some of the best musicians are in Canada is what I always find. Like seriously.

7:21 Right. Yeah. Some of the best music I am always amazed seriously of the music that comes out of Canada because I, and I just chalk it up to like shit when it's 50 below zero, what else are you going to fucking do? Pretty much. Right. You know, I think like even all the bands are trios that like, they sound like they have as many band members as Slipknot, but there's only three of them and it's always out of Canada. Like it just, I'm in awe of you guys. Like I wish when I was younger and I was playing instruments, I would have moved to Canada. Cause then I might not have sucked at the instruments.

8:06 It is. It's a really weird, like having, having seen both sides and Rory, like believe it or not, pipe and Rory does not have an Alberta accent. It's very much. I know it's like, it could throw some people off, but Rory's technically from Scotland and. Yeah, I knew it was somewhere a little east of Melbourne. Yeah, but him and I and then Brett. Brett is actually the true Canadian here. So, I mean, I can't speak for the UK talent, but I can say like from coming from the Florida scene to the Canadian musicians, it's like there's so much un- like undiscovered talent in just in our city, let alone like Western Canada. It's just like the Canadian band you hear about, right? Like Unleash the Archers, Rush. Like there are bands that get so elevated. And then like the bar between, yeah. And it's crazy how much talent's just sitting here begging to be tapped in. Like our drummer, we basically scooped him out of the crib. He's like 23 years old. The dude can fucking play. And I'm like, why aren't you in like eight other bands? And he's like, well, I just, I don't know. And like, that's the thing. It's like, it's that connection of finding the talent and putting it in.

9:16 It's funny you should say that because I've talked about this with other Canadian bands that like how difficult it is with such great music in Canada to cross over that easy border over to our country. Like you've had a few like, you know, Rush and Triumph and April Wine and but there's so many other artists that are so great at Canada. They have such a rough time making it in the U S for some reason. It's weird to me. Cause it's expensive, man. No, that's true. It's expensive to get down there. Well, and I think even like that, you're not even popular and that they're not even popular here. It's like, I don't know. Why do we not get, get it?

10:02 You know? Yeah. I think it's the fandom too. Like you could talk to pretty much ain't Canadian and, and almost bet that they're a rush fan. Okay. It's just like, it's kind of a given that, It's like your, your birthright. You're born and you're like, Hey, and this is Geddy Lee. And over here is Jesus. You just got to go down the list. Exactly. Exactly. Because I do find that true. And I got to tell you, I just did coverage at warp tour in Montreal. I'll tell you what, man, what a great venue that was. I, you know, First of all, the venue in and of itself is so cool. But what was cool about it is, you know, I left places like Wacken, where I had to walk two miles and still couldn't find the media tent. And then I get there and I step across the street from my hotel, get on the metro, and then I'm on the metro.

11:05 I'm like, great, when I get over there, how am I going to find the media tent? And I get off the Metro and like right in front of me, smack, there it is. I'm like, I didn't even have to go anywhere. I don't know if that's true of all Canadian venues, but if it is, I'm doing a lot more festivals in Canada because that's a lot easier. I will say, yeah, the ones out here in West that we've been to. So the biggest one, I think in our area for our, like that kind of falls more into like, you know, the heavier genre would be loud as hell. Obviously way smaller than Warped Tour. But I mean, it's going 15 years, I think is this next year. just crushing it, getting world-class talent. And it's cool because this one is like in a town called Drumheller.

11:45 So it's like where the Albertosaurus was found, like their big claim to fame is just dinosaurs. So it's like the badlands of Alberta. So it looks like you're on the surface of Mars. Everyone's camping out. Like it's just a crazy environment that I just, I saw it and I was like, this is it. Like, this is really cool. So I would be very like curious to see how that, kind of meshed with your experience in Quebec? Cause I actually, I've not been to an out East festival yet. Yeah. So it was at the, the park. What's it called? The, uh, it's a little Island park, John, John Michael, or I think it was, or what's it called? I don't even know. The warp tour.

12:26 Well, the, yeah, it was in Montreal. It's like this Island. It's a park and they have lots of concerts there. Apparently. Is that where they do the, um, uh, the Montreal F1 race? That I don't know. But he can look that up while he's doing it too. And we haven't heard much from you, Rory, but is it true that you might be as hard to understand as Ozzy? No, not me. My accent's all messed up. I've moved around quite a bit. I can understand you. Yeah, there you go. Yeah. When I first moved to Canada, nobody could understand a bloody word. So I had to get back to this.

13:10 Cause I go to UK all the time. I love the UK, but it's like, it is funny. The two places that they always say you can't understand shit from is Scotland and Birmingham. Yeah, that's pretty good. First time I went to Birmingham, my friends were like, oh, you ain't gonna understand a word they're saying. I'm thinking to myself, how bad could it be? It's English. And that's when I realized that Ozzy didn't sound like that because of drugs. He sounded like that because that's where he was from. Yeah, that's where he's from, yeah. You know? And I'm like, I was there, I'm talking to people, I'm like, Did you say that in like Spanish or something so I understand you? Because I have no clue what you just said.

13:53 Yeah, it's like you squint your eyes, it's English, you know? Exactly, exactly. And I did date a Scottish girl who lived... It's from Scotland, lived in Florida for a little while, but now lives in Scotland again. Most of the time I could understand her, but she might have been more like you, Rory, because you could tell she had the deep... deep accent somewhere there, but she probably retrained her voice so people can understand her over here. Yeah, I feel like when I get back around my friends, it comes out a little bit more. Especially when I get drunk with them. Right. Well, if you're from the UK, that's what I found out. That's when the real UK person comes out.

14:36 And I found that out because I was married to a Victoria. Her name wasn't Victoria, but she was from the UK. Okay. And Like she spoke like the proper Queens English, you know, went during the day and then she'd have like 15 margaritas. And then where she was from totally came out, which she never told me where she was from. I didn't figure it out till after we were married. I mean, after we were divorced, but she's from, she's from Newcastle. So. Oh, Geordie girl. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Totally. That's another tough accent for sure. Yeah. Yeah. And that's what people say to me. They're like, How did you not notice the Geordie accent? I'm like, I'm telling you. She spoke the Queen's proper English because a lot of women come over to the U.S. from England and they all act like they're royals. Everyone I've ever met, like they come over here and put on this act and like, oh, and you Americans, you're so low class and blah, blah, blah. And she was like that too.

15:36 But then, man, after 15 margaritas, the 15 margaritas alone explains that she's a Geordie. Cause that was every, that was every night. Yeah. And, uh, and she was, she would turn from like proper English girl to fun party girl to bat shit, fucking crazy, scared for your life girl. That was majority. Uh, so, but that's cool that you have this mixture though, in the band. Because I think it brings a lot of different viewpoints and a lot of different influences into the mix to make something unique, which in your genre, I love metalcore, but the uniqueness seems to be disappearing nowadays.

16:28 It's like a lot of these metalcore bands are using like a formula, like they're doing algebra instead of playing metal music. Yeah, definitely. Yeah, that's that's like the biggest thing is like and I know like every band says, oh, we sound different. Every band believes that they sound different. And, you know, I'm also a part of that, too. I believe we sound different. But but yeah, like that is something like I think one of our biggest components that really helps separate us is like our live show, like our live show. We snaked Rory's sister in law because she's like, oh, I do choreo. Oh, that's interesting. We'll save your number for later. And then we're like, Hey, by the way, can you make practice two times this week and next week and this week? And then also create a dance routine because like, we want to bring it to life.

17:12 Like that's one thing that I feel like a lot of bands these days, like what sleep token president bands in our genre or adjacent to our genre. There's, there's more than just the music, right? There has to be more than just the music and it's a story. And that's where we, we like talk to Brett and we're like, well, yeah, cause Brett was the one who came up with the name. Like we were trying, we were, killing ourselves trying to think of a name for this damn band. And Brett's like, how about Victoria Lies? And then we're like, let's do that. And now Victoria is a character. And now she does this. And then what? And then this. And Brett being, you know, I don't want to say a brooding artist, but he is the poet. He is the poet of the band and the lyricist. So he came up with the whole narrative behind it. And and like we're just like, fuck, yeah, ship it. Like, that's what that's what we want. Like, we want to be able to tell the story of Victoria and really just, you know, I don't know, give we want to give people a concept album without saying this is a concept album. This is all the story.

18:12 It's like every song on this album is you can take away what you want from it. Yeah. So if you if you want the lore, it's all there. If you don't want it and you just want to listen to a good tune, that's. There, too. See, I like that, because some of the concept bands, like a lot of them as Scandinavia or what have you, I think they're good, but sometimes I also think it's a little too much. I like the idea of, yeah, if I want the lore, I can have it. If I don't, I don't. But those bands, it's like, It has to be the lore or nothing else. Like every on paper, Coheed and Cambria should be one of my favorite bands of all time, but I just, I never got into it. And I'm like, well, it's, it's too late.

18:57 Right. The lore's moved on. I don't have the time to go into it. It's right. And so, yeah, I mean, I think that to your point, I think it's so important that you bring it to life because otherwise why do a live show? If it's just going to be the album, Why do I want to go to a live show if it's just going to be the album? You know, like there's so many bands that I loved because I saw them live. Like perfect example is the first time I saw Bring Me to Horizon live. I'm like, oh, my God, they're like my favorite band now. You know, and and and that's the other thing. As somebody that does as many shows as I do. Like some of the bands that I even love, I get sick of going to their set because it's the same set for the past five years.

19:50 but bring me it's always like something different like so i i dig that so it makes me why i keep going otherwise you know there's one band that plays all the danny wimmer festivals that I broke my rule and I went to see them again a couple of weeks ago at one of the festivals. I'm like, yeah, this is why I stopped seeing this band. And I like the band, but I'm bored to death of seeing them because like, you know, Hey, it's good for people that are attendees that go to one concert, one place. But when these bands are playing at all these festivals and I'm getting to see them every time it gets old, even if you love the band, But there's other bands that never get old because of that live show.

20:36 Yeah, they're bringing more than just the music. Yeah, exactly. Because listen, I can listen to the music at home. There's one band in particular who I will not mention that all of the media and all the festivals I do, they always like, it's the worst live band ever. And we all love this band, but they don't even move the whole set. They just sit there and play. Wasn't them, because I do like Megadeth, because I go way back with Mustaine. But yeah, I guess you're kind of right with them now that I think about it. But no, worse than that, actually, I think.

21:17 At least they have a character that comes on stage. Like this band just looks like... No, I mean Megadeth does. The band I'm talking about, they don't have anything. It's just. Just play our music. Well, has anyone ever brought Taylor Swift up on your show yet, Pipeman? I'm trying to think. I'm sure it's not the way you were going to bring it up. So there's one thing that if I could give a message to any performers, not even metalheads, just performers, watch Taylor Swift's Eros tour. Maybe not even the whole damn thing. I don't care. but what she delivers, cause she has enough fame and money and power just to go out there for 30, 45 minutes, play a show. Everyone goes home.

22:01 She gets her money. Everyone's happy because they saw her, but what she does. And I think, you know, I mean, fuck, you can go back to Michael Jackson on this too. They, they came out and like the last heiress thing Taylor, Taylor did was like three hours of just performance. And it was all that. And like, Like you said, Bring Me to the Horizon. I'm not a big Bring Me to the Horizon guy, but our recording producer, shout out Scott Bennett, he went to see Bring Me to the Horizon. They just came to Calgary. And he was like, he's like, I know you're not a Bring Me to the Horizon fan. You should have been at that fucking show, dude. I'm telling you. The things that they did we're so worth the price of entry and yeah, I mean, that's, that's what we have to do now. Music is a commodity. We've commodified music.

22:45 It's everywhere. You know, now you can just generate AI music if you really want to listen to something. So you have to bring extra stuff. That's just the way it is. I think it all started when they started having MTV and videos when they had music, you know, and I actually, it's funny. I always loved much music better than MTV, but, uh, but, uh, ever since you brought videos, I was thinking of this too. I was watching one of your videos and it did come to my mind. It's like, man, the work that artists have to do to just create music. Okay. Oh, it's brutal, man. Right. You don't sign up for, you would be an actor if that were the case. Like, I'm wondering how Taylor Mubsen feels because she left acting to do rock and roll and now she has to do acting.

23:33 In her rock and roll. Yeah. That's the fun part, I think, especially for Brett and Rory. On one of our videos, the newest one that came out, Truth and Sugar, we gave Brett the reins and we're like, just do this. We're going to keep you on the tracks, but you drive this damn pony home. And the way that that video turned out, it crushed it, man. It's the minimal investment, too. Everything is very DIY. Any money we've made off of this, we've just put back into merch. But yeah, you seen money from that video. Well, I saw the. Money go that way. It went that way, but. Somebody go out the door and then come back.

24:16 But yeah, like, like we were joking about getting Brett, if you've seen this as finals app, you know, the Rob Reiner hat, like the, the director's hat, want to get him a director's chair. Cause like, that's it's, it's like, just let him, let him cook. And like, I know there's probably not a lot of bands who want to do that kind of side, right. They just care about the music. They just care about this or that. Um, so I'm Brett's the, the creative vision guy. Rory is the, I'm going to figure it out kind of guy. And I, I'm the, no one I tell them, no, you can't. No, no. You do like to say no. It's my favorite word. Well, you always need that. No, you always got to have that. No person, you know? Yeah. Cause you can't have, if everyone says yes all the time, you're not going to have a product, you.

24:58 Know, you're also not going to get the truth. Like, See, that's one thing about New Yorkers. Like people down here in Florida, they like to say New Yorkers are rude. And I'm like, no, we just, you just know where you stand. Yeah. You just know where you stand. I'd rather, listen, there is a funny thing, you know, Southerners, they love to say, oh, they'll put their hand on your shoulder. Oh, bless your heart. And that means fuck you. Like I'd rather you just say fuck you to me. Okay. Like don't be saying that shit to me and then talking shit behind my back. So, and I think it's true because just like anything else, if you just tell people what they want to hear, then they're never going to get better. You know, because if you're telling them they're great when they're not, then they're like, okay, I, I kind of equate this to something I was talking to my son about last night.

25:52 And my son's don't get me wrong. My son's 41. So he's not a kid, but, uh, about the idea of women faking orgasms. That is the stupidest shit ever, man. This might be the clip that we do for Victoria lies right here. It is the stupidest shit ever because like, as a guy, if you're faking an orgasm and you're that good at faking it, I'm like, Oh, I must be doing a good fucking job. I'm going to do this every fucking time. And then, And then she's fucked because then she's got fake orgasms for the rest of the time. So I think it's the same. Like, if you don't got the no guy telling you, no, that's not that great, opposed to somebody that's the yes man saying, oh, yeah, that was great. Then you put some shit out and then all the trolls on the Internet are fucking beating you up for this shit because somebody told you it was good and you knew it wasn't.

26:54 I like, okay. That did. I like that. The, the, the connection, it did go. Yeah. See? So yeah. Don't fake it. Just say it. Yeah. Be direct. Like, listen, if I suck, tell me I suck. Otherwise I'm not going to change. Yeah. You know? And I think that's key in music. Why you do should have different people with different influences and involved with the band. I think that's why producers a lot of time are important. If they're good ones, like you take Metallica and the black album, would that album be the album that it is today without the producer? Probably not, you know? So that's the key. And like they were like, I go way back with them. They were the heart, one of the hardest bands to work with because they wanted things their way. until they respected somebody enough to listen.

27:55 And usually, probably because everybody was telling him how great they were all the years until he said, yeah, don't do that. Yeah. That's how every time we go in for a recording session with our producer, because he'll tell us, he's like, hey, when we first met him, he's like, do you guys want my input? And we're like, Scott, we've been sniffing our own farts for a year now writing this shit. I'd like to sniff yours for a minute. So he, it's... Well, I didn't, you. Know, that's the Florida him. You can excuse him. That's the Florida. That's the ball right there. But, but anyway, yeah, it's like we go in and we, we work with him and you know, if, if we don't like an idea, we tell him like, we'll brainstorm it, but it's never a recording session. And then that's it.

28:37 It's we ideate on it. And we're all very open to criticism because there is no ego in our band at all, even though I'm the best bass player in the band. None of that. So nobody's been staying in the band. No, Rory is. Rory is Mustaine. No. Well, I mean, as far as shredding, you can shred. You just choose. Yeah, I was just referring to the ego part. Oh, yeah. That's why Metallica never worked. You couldn't have three egos like Mustaine, Lars, and James in the same band? Are you kidding me? Although, it would make for a great, you know, reality TV show. Oh, it totally would. That would have sold. Yeah. Should have done that. Well, and I have a name for it because, listen, I was at their first show ever. So I've seen all that shit that went on.

29:26 And I don't know if you guys know this, but their nickname back in the 80s within the scene was Alcoholica. So I have been trying in my head all these years to figure out. how Dave Mustaine got kicked out of Alcoholica because of alcohol the irony right like you must be really a really bad raging alcoholic to get kicked out of Alcoholica just saying But yeah, I mean, I think you need I think sometimes to like to your point, I'm also an author. OK, and I could edit my book over and over and over again like I did. I edited my published book five times and then I sent it to a copy editor and they found all kinds of crap. I'm like, oh, that's some stupid mistakes I made. Like it wasn't even stuff like, oh, thanks for telling me about that. I never knew. It was more like, oh, thanks for smacking me ahead that I didn't see that, you know?

30:35 Yeah. You know, because like you said, you know, if we're going to use your term, sniffing your own farts, well, then you don't know which ones stink. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, and so somebody says to you like, oh, maybe, and it could be that thing like, oh, shit, you know what? You're right. Or it could be that thing of, you know, I never thought of that. Like it could have been something that was never in your mind because it's not something that you did before. So I think working with other people like that over time is what makes you a better musician because you learn your craft even better. Whereas in the beginning, you're just trying to figure it out. Yeah. So tell us more about this new album. It's dropping, like, in a few days, uh, you know, not far from now. And, uh, yeah, right. Just, just in time to scare people for Halloween. And, uh, it's weird this year. There's a lot of albums dropping on the 30th this year for some reason. I wonder if 31st was booked up or something.

31:50 Everyone's afraid of Halloween, right? Right. Don't put the album out on Halloween. That's scary. Uh, but, You know, how would you guys, as the band, how would you describe this album to people musically? You know, besides the lore part of it and stuff, but more of, you know, like, what would hook me? That I would be like, wow, that's really unique and cool. Get him, Brett. I think that this album, the way we've put it together, it's going to take you on a roller coaster of different sounds. You're going to get heavies. You're going to get lights. You're going to get new instruments. Every song is going to introduce something to you that's different, that maybe you haven't heard in the previous song. So I'm hoping that all the listeners, when they listen to it, they're excited to hear what's next. They'll be like, all right, every song has been kind of unique in its own way.

32:47 I hope that. people see that and like that about the album. And I think that that's the experience you'll get when you listen to it. You know what I found too in that same note is that there's different orders of things in the songs. So in other words, if you're one of those track, track, track people like we have nowadays, you're going to miss a shitload because in listening to tracks, it was like, One track started off really slow for a while till it got a little brutal. And then another track started totally brutal. And it was almost like if you were doing that track, track, track thing, you would think it was two different bands.

33:28 Yeah. For real. So I think that's pretty cool. I think it's a good way to catch people's attention too, because, you know, if you have a bunch of songs that all kind of sound the same, you're going to get the same result. But with your songs being unique, each one on the album, who you don't appeal on one of those streaming platforms that they're clicking tracks, you might appeal to somebody else and vice versa. I also think speaking of irony, we mentioned irony in the beginning, the irony of your band being Victoria lies and the name of the album being vendetta. Just, I don't know that it's home for me.

34:09 Yeah. It just goes hand in hand. Yeah, that one, that was, again, naming, that one came together a little better because we were trying to think of a good V and we're like, oh, maybe it comes off as too like V for Vendetta. And it's like, nah, that movie's been out for a while. Like, it's not really that topical. And that's not what we were going for. But yeah, like Victoria lies and she has a vendetta. Exactly. Yeah, we were trying to figure out how to like describe what this story of this album is in one word. And I feel like we all settled that was the best one. That's pretty cool. I think so. And I do see certain things, even as we're talking, that ties the songs together. I think of Truth and Sugar.

34:56 I think of that of Victoria Lyon. You think she's telling you the truth and she has sugar dripping from her lips, but really, she's full of shit and probably going to fuck you over. That's what I get out of it. But then, okay, then there's red. And I'll sit there and think to myself, oh my God, she's going to piss me off. I'm going to see red. Nothing related to anything probably that you meant, but that's what's cool about it. That's great. My own meanings and put it to it. And then weaving webs, the first thing that came to my mind is, you know, what's that saying that, Oh, the webs we weave something with deceiving.

35:46 I can't remember the whole thing right now, but it's in my head. I just can't get it out of my lips, but it's in my head. And I'm like, that's what I'm relating to right there as perfect examples. I do love. Okay. Here's something I really love. I don't know how it happens in Calgary, but the fact that you have somebody from Florida in your band and you you had an appearance at Gator Fest 2 in Calgary. I'm thinking, shouldn't Gator Fest be in Jacksonville? The funniest thing about that is they just did it.

36:26 So it's a local band here called Our Last Crusade. They put it on in affiliation with another festival here called Alternative Waves or Alt Waves. And they call it Gator Fest because those members of the band call themselves the Gator Gang. And I'm like, well, I was like, Rory, we got to play it. Like we, it's made for me. And so I got to embrace my full Florida man. Cause we also, um, I filled in for the bass player of another band that our producers in called the path, less travel do they, um, they're now on indefinite hiatus, but I was like, can I do whatever I want? They're like, yeah, I'm like, great. So I got cutoff shorts, like sleeveless tank top sunscreen, you know, the beers that I went Florida man for it.

37:06 It was so much fun. A really fun step. show and like promo for it too. If you do that show again i think part of your live show if you're going to go full florida man is you need to wrestle an alligator live on stage. They said there would be gators there. Oh see yeah you know. I signed the waiver and everything. It is funny too because i was on that gator thing like it's always wherever you live something's different but I was walking yesterday. I was on the phone with somebody. She lives in California. I've known her for many, many years. I'm like, oh, look, it's high tide. The intercoastal is almost on the sidewalk right now. And she goes, and you're walking next to it? I'm like, yeah. There's probably some gators there, I'm sure. But she's like, should you really be walking there with gators right there? I'm like, yeah, it's Florida. There's nowhere you can walk without walking next to a gator.

38:06 Right. Just don't walk closer to them. Exactly. Don't pet them. Yeah. Unless you pet their belly because that's how you make them fall asleep. Yeah. That's the key to wrestling alligators, by the way, Canada people. Yeah. You have to. Now, it's a little tricky to get to their belly, but if you rub their belly, they fall asleep. Okay. So that's the key. So if you come visit Florida, make sure you go out, you know, in some swampy, murky area and go try rubbing alligator's belly. Audience, do not try this at home. Every day is a school day.

38:46 Just that specifically. Actually, please don't do that because we have enough stupid people in Florida that do try to do that and get eaten. Please don't do that. We don't need any more stupid people in Florida. Just saying. That's why Jay left. That's why I left, yeah. That's why I'm here. Now you're going to be a stupid person in Canada. See, Canada people are so nice and so think the best of everybody, they don't even notice he's like that. No, they just look at him.

39:26 Like, aw. Right? You poor thing, you're from Florida. He's trying. So what else do you want to tell everybody about your new album? We haven't covered already. Um, only other thing I want to say is yeah, October 30th, it's dropping, uh, should be available. Like, I don't know if there's a specific time window. I don't think we were trying to time gate it that hard. Um, It's going to be available on all the streaming platforms. We do have a merch site that went up. You can buy physical copies of our albums. We do ship to the States and anywhere else. So we got that. We got our shirts up there. Yeah, take a look at the site. Please like and follow us. Yeah, like and follow us.

40:07 Victoria Lies on everything. And I do want to say that they do have to listen to your merch or they can't listen. I mean, they do have to buy your merch or they can't listen to my show anymore. because the video is not going to bring in any more money to buy more merch. So the only way you can buy more merch is if they buy it. Yep. That's right. There we go. It is true though. I say that shit all the time about merch though, because I think people don't understand how hard it is for you artists nowadays. And really that's the only way you get to another gig is your merch. Yeah. And then the margin on the, on the merch is like 10 bucks. So we need to sell a lot of them to get, you know, 10 kilometers.

40:50 Exactly. A hundred percent. So we need to get you at the Wimmer festivals in the States next year, maybe. Yeah. Oh, we'd come. Yeah. See, you could be like a hometown band at, at Rockville. Hell yeah. Almost. Staying, staying right up the road. No doubt. No doubt. So yeah, I'm really excited about this because the music is really killer. And, uh, definitely people have to catch your live shows, which by the way, you know, also on the 30th, you're going to have a massive hometown album release show at festival hall. Yeah.

41:30 So everybody's got to get there. So you can be directly pulled into the Victoria lies universe. That sounds cool. Absolutely. Oh yeah. That sounds cool. It's like they're all unwilling participants. I want to be in that universe. How come I'm. Not in that universe? That's cool. There's going to be a body count that night for sure. Nice. There you go. Well, I love it, and I love you guys' music, and thanks a lot for being on The Adventures of Pipe Man. Thank you so much for having us. Thank you so much for having us. We really appreciate your time. My pleasure. Thank you for listening to The Adventures of Pipe Man. On W4CY Radio.