April 9, 2026

Vinny Appice + Who On Earth + Ravenmocker - Pipeman in the Pit Interviews

Vinny Appice + Who On Earth + Ravenmocker - Pipeman in the Pit Interviews

Season 20, Episode 37 of The Adventures of Pipeman. Chapter 1: Vinny Appice HEAVEN & HELL BREAKING OUT OF HEAVEN 2007-2009 RETROSPECTIVE CELEBRATES DIO’S THIRD ACT WITH MEMBERS OF BLACK SABBATH ON 4CD/BLU-RAY AND 7LP BOXED SETS AVAILABLE MARCH...

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Season 20, Episode 37 of The Adventures of Pipeman.

Chapter 1: Vinny Appice

HEAVEN & HELL
BREAKING OUT OF HEAVEN 2007-2009
RETROSPECTIVE CELEBRATES DIO’S THIRD ACT WITH MEMBERS OF BLACK SABBATH ON 4CD/BLU-RAY AND 7LP BOXED SETS
AVAILABLE MARCH 27
INCLUDES THE DEVIL YOU KNOW, LIVE FROM RADIO CITY MUSIC HALL, AND NEON KNIGHTS: 30 YEARS OF HEAVEN & HELL - LIVE AT WACKEN

Breaking Out Of Heaven 2007–2009 will be available March 27 as 7LP and 4CD/Blu-ray boxed sets. Both editions include an illustrated book with new liner notes by Hugh Gilmour, along with a replica tour book and poster. Order Now.

The collection marks the first time the complete Live From Radio City Music Hall performance appears on vinyl, and features eight tracks making their vinyl debut, including studio recordings from The Dio Years and select live performances. The Blu-ray expands the set with video from Live From Radio City Music Hall and Neon Nights: 30 Years Of Heaven & Hell - Live at Wacken, plus band interviews.

An HD-upscaled video of “Bible Black” is out today. Watch Here. The set follows the band’s reunion run, beginning with their triumphant 2007 New York performance, Live From Radio City Music Hall, followed by the Top 10 studio album The Devil You Know in 2009, and the live album Neon Nights: 30 Years Of Heaven & Hell - Live at Wacken, recorded later that year on tour in Germany.

Chapter 2: Coosh (vocals) and Pete Rizzi (bass).

New Jersey’s red hot heavy rock/metal band WHO ON EARTH who will be releasing their new album, It Takes The Village, on May 8th

Current Singles: Vigilance For Fans Of: Iron Maiden, Dio, Queensryche, Ozzy, Ghost, Clutch

About: Who On Earth cut its teeth through relentless gigging across the New York tri-state area, with founding members Coosh and Pete previously tearing up stages as MadHaus. During 2020, the longtime collaborators shifted focus from covers to original material, quickly writing ten songs and entering Sonic Stomp Studio with producer Mike Orlando (Category 7, Adrenaline Mob). Joined by drummer Joe D’Aqui, the group crafted a heavy, story-driven sound rooted in influences like Black Sabbath, Iron Maiden, Metallica, Alice in Chains, and Tool. Despite pandemic delays, the sessions yielded their debut full-length album Blame’, released in October 2022.

Following the addition of guitarists Bruce Gatewood and Johnny James Barone, the band gained traction with a heavier reimagining of Toto’s “Hold the Line,” now their most-streamed track. Lineup changes continued with drummer Howie Fallon joining in 2024, bringing renewed chemistry and power, though tragedy struck later that year with the passing of Gatewood. In late 2024, Jimmy Kocha joined, filling the role of co-lead guitarist, solidifying the lineup that is currently in full force today. Honoring his legacy, the band pushed forward, releasing the Smoke & Mirrors EP in March 2025—a sharp, socially reflective six-song release. The group is currently at work on a new full-length album, slated for release in early 2026.

Chapter 3: Pipeman interviews Southern California’s newest force in melodic death metal, Ravenmocker, and their second single / music video “Where The Raven Flies” to follow their debut track "Infallible."

The new single continues building the band’s identity: soaring melody, cultural storytelling, and a modern take on the melodic death metal spirit once championed by acts like Children of Bodom, Insomnium, and Kalmah.

"Where The Raven Flies" is an anthemic, cinematic track that tells the origin story of the Raven Mocker, a cryptid from Adirondack and Cherokee lore. Known as a harbinger of death, the Raven Mocker feeds on the sick and dying, stealing the remaining years of its victims’ lives. The single paints vivid imagery of the creature soaring over forests and villages, acting as both reaper and omen.

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Hi, you have done to your censure? Wow for you your's.

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Who are you? Who are men?

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This is the tipe n here on the Adventures tight

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And I'm very excited about this episode because we have

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one of the most legendary drummers there is and some

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exciting news.

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So let's welcome to show VIDI a pissy. How are you?

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I'm good? How are you good? Good to be here? Legendary?

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Oh my god.

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Well, listen, you've played with just pretty much everybody. I

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couldn't even we wouldn't even have time for me to

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list off all the people you've played with for sure.

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Sorry, I'm sorry. I won't play with that many people

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from now on anyway.

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And I gotta tell you that the first I used

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to play.

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Drums for like nine years when I was a kid,

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and I kind of sucked. So my hat's off to

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you for being such a great drummer, because it takes

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a lot of people.

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I don't think realize that.

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And then I switched to guitar, and the first song

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I learned on guitar was not Smoke Underwater, it was

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Evan and hell.

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There you go. It was meant to be some sort

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of connection.

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There, I know, right right, And so here we are.

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We have some great news about you know, kind of

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giving me like flashbacks and resurrecting the heaven had held

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a final you know, Sabbath version before do O left

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this earth, but left us here with a lot of

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great memories.

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Yeah, and what's good about this package that's coming out is,

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you know, we were scheduled to go on tour again

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in twenty ten with Ronnie, and then he got ill,

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and then he got worse, and then he got really

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sick and he couldn't do it, and the tour wasn't

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going to happen. So it was not a happy ending.

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You know, it's kind of sad. So now this is

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years later and then putting this great package together. It's

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a beautiful package this, you know, the albums that are

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in it, and there's a posters and tour books and

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photo album. It's beautiful. And at least this is kind

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of some closure to that era of Black Sabbath, you

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know and Ronnie, So it's more of a celebration now

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than just the sad way that the band ended, you

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know exactly.

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And you know, I love that you have, Like there's

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some things on this here that have never been on

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vinyl before, so that's really cool. Yeah, and you know

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all the Radio City live performances that are on there.

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I mean, to me, this is like amazing way to

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pay tribute and to all the greatness of that version

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of Black Sabbath.

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it's it's a beautiful package and I just got it

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in the mail last week and I was blown away.

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Some of the photos in the photo book are so

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clear and colorful, and oh it's just great. So it's

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a nice collective's item for who who whoever's having a

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hell fan Black Sabbath fan, Ronnie, this is a great package.

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Yeah, and you know, back then you got an album,

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it was a full sensory experience, which is what you're

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having here. You know, like pictures, reading the lyrics, all

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the things that came with an album that I think

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we're having somewhat of a resurgence because my grandkids asked

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me for the holidays that order birthdays.

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So it's kind of cool because I think that's what

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a lot of kids were missing, is that full experience.

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it was only vinyl, and you used to go buy

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the record when it came out, and then you had

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to cover you could see everything, and then you turned

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it towards the back. The back of the album usually

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had all the details of recording, and sometimes it listed

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the microphone and the amplifiers, the drums, and that was

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really cool. Wow, use Ludwig drums on this and the

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these microphones and amplifiers, because it was a great cool thing.

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going through all this information. So it was a very

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cool thing. So now, yeah, CDs, it's hard to see

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on the it's only that big. And then download you

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don't get anything. Yeah, unless you download the they bring

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the artwork forward. I don't know, but it's great on

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the album on the full.

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On vinyl, even like in the you know.

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and I would buy all the albums, you know, before

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I was even teenager, just for the clues of that

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nineteen sixty nine radio show where they were saying Paul

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was dead. It was such a fun experience to go

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get these albums, look for these clues and do things

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that you wouldn't be able to do today with downloads.

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package that it made it more exciting. You know, you're

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listening to the rep while you listen to the record,

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you know, Yeah, and then you know Paul is dead,

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But how come he's on the album?

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Right?

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I remember that?

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Yeah, And then I'll tell you one of my favorite

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ever experiences at concert, which there's been thousands of concerts

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I've been to. I remember when I was at the

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mob Rules tour.

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Oh wow, and I it was in La and I

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could have I could have sworn when Dio started talking

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that it was God talking way.

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It came over, well were you smoking?

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So it's back when you had to hang out, you know,

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and camp out to get your tickets. So I got

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there like early. I was sleeping my sleeping bag to

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get the tickets. And some dude goes to me, he goes, hey,

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can you buy my tickets for me? I'll smoke you

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out at the concert. Sure you know you're a teenager.

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Like that's good enough for me, And then yes he did.

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He did smoke me out right, before you guys came

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on and it was it was a trip though, coming

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over to loud speaker, I was like, whoa, this is

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the best experience ever. And I still remember it to

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this day like that way. So that's the impact right there. Yeah,

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And so I'm glad that, you know, we're keeping this alive.

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And you know, Ronnie was such a influence to so

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many people and such a great person that he just

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you know, I did, like I do press coverage at

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the Bowl for Ronnie and it's like amazing how every

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year just people so much support. And I've never heard

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anybody ever say anything bad about Ronnie, and that's unheard

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of in this industry.

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Yeah. No, Ronnie was such a well besides being one

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of the greatest singers in rock, if not the he

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was such a nice person and he loved his music

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and he loved his fans. His fans were really important

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to him, and he took time to sign autographs, take pictures.

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He never really brushed anybody off. You know, when I

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first joined Sabbath in nineteen eighty, we played some arena

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and I'm the new guy in the block back then.

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The show, you know, concert's over and we hung out

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a bit, and then we left the arena and got

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in a limo, me and Ronnie and go up the

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hill get out of the arena and it was January,

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like upstate New York, I think we were. And we

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pull out and get to the gate. They were going

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to open the gate and we go back to the hotel,

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but there were a whole bunch of fans at the gate.

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Ronnie said stop the car, stop the car, and I'm like, wow,

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the driver stopped the car. Ronnie got out, started saying autographs,

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some taking pictures because it was cold. Yeah, you know,

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they waited, you know, they deserved something. And so I

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got out too, and you know, did that as well.

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And I was always remember that how Ronnie was just

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totally such a gentleman and loved the fans, you know.

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that house in Tarzana and we got like invited over

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and we were we were hanging out with him and

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Vivian at the house. I don't know if I was

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aim more than sixteen at the time. Oh, it was

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me a couple of my friends, and again, like who

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does that? Like it was it was just like you

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would never experience that from anybody usually, and he was

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just so gracious and so you know, he realized what

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it was all about and what he did it again.

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He did that again later on a couple of years

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later when we did Holy Dive a tour. We were

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in England and playing London, and you know, we finished

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the show upstairs and Ronnie relaxed. He doesn't leave right away,

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like to hang out and have a beer or two,

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and they we were getting ready to leave. Somebody said, well,

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the cars are downstairs, we can go soon. And then

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they came up and said, well, there's a bunch of punters,

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they call him Punters. The fans are out down waiting

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for autographs and stuff, and it's kind of cold out.

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So Ronnie said, bring him in. So they brought him

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into the Hammersmith Odeon, such a famous place, and they

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were about probably forty forty kids fans and sat him

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in the front rows and then we came down and

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we all signed autographs. And that's what Ronnie Diddy, that's

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the kind of guy he was.

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I love it.

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No VIPs, no VIP stuff back.

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Then, Yeah, no meet and greets or no now what's

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your favorite memory of the Heaven and Hell days.

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Well, you know, it's it was so many great times,

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highlights and this and that. It was just nice to

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get when they got back together and we called it

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Heaven and Hell. That we're playing big places again, you know,

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big festivals in Europe. And I don't know if we

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played the Garden, I'm from New York. We played Radio

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City Music Hall. So there's just a lot of highlights

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for me, you know, and playing with them, and just

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playing with Tony Gays and Ronnie again was just doesn't

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get much better than that, you know, I know, right,

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pretty amazing.

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And how was their chemistry altogether with Ronnie you know,

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you know at.

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That point, we're all a little older at that point,

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and it was it was a really good vibe in

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the band during Heaven and Hell, and we would have

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fun musically. It was fantastic, and it was talk of

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you know, let's do another album and then let's do

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another tour, let's keep going for a while, you know,

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and it was great, whereas years before that there was

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always it lasted like two years, a year and a half,

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and then there was problems and it didn't work out.

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So at the end it was great. It's just a

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shame what happened, you know, how Ronnie got ill.

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So yeah, big shame, you know. And and I think

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everybody needs to reach out and uh, you know, contribute

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to the foundation. Uh you know that so other people

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can get the help that you know through through this

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because cancer it's a bitch.

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Yeah, I mean, it's an awful thing. And people, you know,

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it's pretty popular right now, let's put it that way.

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Probably all the junk in the air and the food

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and the water and all that stuff. So who knows.

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Yeah, I'm with you there. You know.

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It's funny when we were younger, like you didn't think

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about that stuff, and now we get to this stage

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and it's like, oh, look at the poison they've been

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putting in our bodies.

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Yeah. The latest thing is like, I don't know, I'm

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in California and some days you look up at the

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sky and it's like across uh plane, tic tac toe

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with the chemtrails.

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Oh, that's so funny you're saying that, because I just

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got back from LA and I was saying we were

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around walked on saying, my friend, like, I've never seen

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this many chemtrails.

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Like that everywhere.

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They're everywhere. I spoke to a friend in North Carolina

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because you had to hear too, and a friend in England,

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same thing there. So I don't know what they're trying

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to do, but nobody's saying anything like why are you

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doing this?

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And what is it for exactly?

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You know, it used to be like trying to make

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it rain and stuff, but I don't think it hasn't

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rained here, never rained, right, Who knows?

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So what else would you like to let people know

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about the release of the these packages for Heaven and

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Hell and and anything else you have coming up that

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you want to talk about.

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Yeah, well the package is great, like I said, it's

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just a fantastic package. The pictures, photos, everything is amazing.

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But it only works if you play it.

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Really loud when you get there right.

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Then it works. Yeah, and I'm doing I started something.

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It just kind of a fluke, uh. I started doing

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a band call put together a band called Sabbath Nights.

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And this started a couple of years before where somebody

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invited me to go play you know, we're gonna play

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all Sabbath stuff and blah blah blah. I said, Okay,

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and uh, I did it and it was a lot

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of fun. Then I noticed how the audience was eating

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it up.

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You know.

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We played a lot of Dio sabbaths, some Azzie sabbath,

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some Dio songs, and the audience loved it. So so

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I put something together. I got to kill a band.

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My vocalist is Jim Queen who's from Buffalo, New York,

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and he could sing Ronnie. He loves Ronnie. He could

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sing this stuff without tuning down. It's just amazing. So

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we got to kill a band, and we just we're

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doing gigs, like not a lot of touring, but we're

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doing as many gigs as we can. We got some

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coming up the Akata Theater in May in Chicago, and

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then we go to Ohio Picktown Palooza, it's like a

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little festival, and then we do upstate New York Buffalo

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area and nice. That's a lot of fun. You know,

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people love it. What playing get to his Sign of

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the Southern Cross and Neon Knights all that shit, and

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then we play some Ozzie song, a couple sabatoons, war

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Pigs and Ozzie song. I don't know. We do that

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and then some Dio stuff. So it's a great show,

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you know. So it's a lot of fun. We're not

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trying to break the band, you know, it's just a

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lot of fun and people enjoying it.

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That's the key. It's fun.

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You know, Like what why be in this industry if

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you're not having fun.

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When we made Holy Diver, we were having a ball,

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a new band and we're all youngsters and and uh

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went to Sound City Studio. There was like a club

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hanging out every night. We destroyed that place, just crazy

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stuff that went on, and we were having fun. And

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fun makes good.

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Music, it does absolute music.

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And then we did Holy Diver. We did the whole album,

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wrote the whole album.

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So I love it. I see.

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I love hearing stuff like that from musicians have been

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musicians for a long time, you know, because there's a

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lot of complaining that goes on. So I love the

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freshness of hearing how much fun things are.

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Yeah, you know, and we're having fun, we're doing this

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and then you don't realize how it affects people. And

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you know, then you go on the road and you

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meet somebody goes, man, I was going through a really

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bad time, and then you guys came out with that

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album and that song whatever, Rainbow in the Dark or whatever.

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It really helped me get through life. And you know,

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it got me through the whole thing. And you know,

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we don't write songs to try to purposely get people

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feeling better. Obviously we don't know what's going on with

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them anyway. But when you hear those stories, you go, wow,

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we're just doing an odd job, right, you know, stuff

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we love to do. It's inside of us. And then

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you meet people who are so affected by it you

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don't realize that. You know, it's a great feeling, right, Yeah,

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it's fantastic.

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Well, it's fantastic that you've given us a great feeling

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for all these decades. Here, thank you, and again, hats

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off to you for being such a legendary drummer, because

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it's a lot harder than people think.

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You're right, and right now, the traveling is harder than anything. Then. Yeah,

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if you got to fly and stuff, oh god, what.

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A pain I know.

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Right, Yeah, Well, thanks for keep giving us great music.

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Everybody needs to go and check out all your new

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stuff that's going on.

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Yeah, go to my website. Yeah, and Sabbath Nights with

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a K like nights neon nights dot com. There's some

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stuff up there and then heaven in hell and keep

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it up, keep it going.

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Yeah, funny, funny.

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I interviewed Jack Black at one of the bowl for

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Ronnie's Yeah, and he started singing neon Nights in the

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interview and he was handing me to Mike try and

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get me to sing, and I'm like, nope, it's your job.

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I can't.

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He gat School of Rock movie movie. It was on

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the other night and I watched the whole thing. I

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love that movie.

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Yeah, totally.

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And he's he's just he's so versatile, like he was

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singing it like right off the cuff, like and just

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having a good time.

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Again. That's the key here.

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We all just need to have a good time and

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music is the best way to escape all the other bullshit.

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That's right, exactly. Well, music, you know, that's it. Heals it.

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It does a lot of things. When you listen to music.

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If you're not feeling up, you're not feeling great, you know,

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you put on your favorite album or song and feel better,

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you know a little bit better.

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One best therapy there is.

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Yeah.

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Well, thanks a lot for your time, and thanks you

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for being on the Adventures of Pipe Man.

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All right, thank you pipe Man, and see you guys

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on the road somewhere.

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Man W four c y Radio. And I'm excited about

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our next guest because I'm a Jersey boy and they're

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a Jersey band, so they automactly get on my show.

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Yes, But who on earth are you anyway?

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There?

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There it is like that. I think that's a brilliant

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band name.

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Like I never talked about band names, but that's a

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brilliant band name because it just gets people talking.

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It's kind of like the guess who you know? Everybody

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was always like or to who is who?

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Who?

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Yeah? The who?

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Now we just need to write a song like that.

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But who are fitting the song?

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Right?

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There you go?

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And you know like you could, you could do like

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who are you? Version? But who on earth? Who on

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earth are you?

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So?

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What part of Jersey are each of you from? What exit?

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All right?

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I'm Exit eight A off the turnpike. Okay, dead Central Jersey,

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not far from East Brunswick Old Bridge.

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Yep, yep.

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The other guys, we got a guy who's over and

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I think Tinton Falls or Eaton town area. And then

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Johnny is over in Piscataway, Jimmy is up in what's

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that Scotch Plains, and then Couche is.

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South Exit one.

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Couchhe is a Canadian who lives in Florida, but we

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met in New Jersey because he worked on boats for

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years in a marina in Staten Island, New York.

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So there's so many other connections here now because like

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I used to be manager of the harrows on Route

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nine in Old Bridge, I used to live in Ocean

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Township right by Tinton Falls and Eaton Town. I lived

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in South Plainfield, right next to Scotch Plains. And I

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grew up in North Jersey, Little Falls, Montclair and roseland

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right near Piscataway.

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So there you go.

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We might you know how many times we passed each

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other on the road and didn't know it?

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I know, how wild is that?

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Like?

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It is funny too when I go to towns that

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I lived in while I was a kid, I'm like, man,

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it's so weird. I wonder if I'm walking by people

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that I went to school with and you don't even

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know it. Oh man, So what started this whole venture

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of who on earth?

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Well?

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What what happened to bring this about?

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Well?

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I think a lot of it brought it around because

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we weren't hearing any new music that we really liked.

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Man.

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We had played the cover songs long enough that we

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had become numb to them. And uh, he was the

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first to say he didn't want to do it anymore,

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playing the covers.

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And it wasn't like that he was I don't want

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to do this anymore. I thought, it's like the band,

435
00:24:50.279 --> 00:24:53.640
he's quit the band. I'm like, what He's like, No,

436
00:24:53.799 --> 00:24:56.519
I want to do originals. I was like, count me

437
00:24:56.680 --> 00:24:59.920
and this is happening now. I was I would love

438
00:25:00.079 --> 00:25:00.359
to do it.

439
00:25:01.119 --> 00:25:04.920
And you know, we were both saying, you know, we

440
00:25:04.960 --> 00:25:06.359
were doing to get We're like, you know, at some

441
00:25:06.480 --> 00:25:09.160
point there's just going to be one person standing up

442
00:25:09.160 --> 00:25:11.240
here instead of five of us, and they're gonna have

443
00:25:11.279 --> 00:25:13.440
a little boar that they just press a button on

444
00:25:13.920 --> 00:25:15.880
and then they entertained you, and we're supposed to.

445
00:25:15.920 --> 00:25:17.559
All be happy about that.

446
00:25:17.720 --> 00:25:20.279
You know, I said, we need to really dig down.

447
00:25:20.359 --> 00:25:25.200
And you know, musicians like that that are in our bands,

448
00:25:25.839 --> 00:25:28.640
I can't imagine how few and far between that they

449
00:25:28.839 --> 00:25:30.799
we believe that they would be in twenty years.

450
00:25:31.759 --> 00:25:31.920
You know.

451
00:25:32.119 --> 00:25:34.920
Yeah, I mean, look, we don't have any more do

452
00:25:35.039 --> 00:25:37.759
wop bands or barbershop quartets or anything.

453
00:25:38.519 --> 00:25:40.079
Those things just fell off the way.

454
00:25:40.200 --> 00:25:43.440
But we're here to show the younger kids that get

455
00:25:43.519 --> 00:25:46.440
out there and learn how to play stuff, learn how

456
00:25:46.480 --> 00:25:50.279
to make your own music, and stop depending on whatever

457
00:25:50.759 --> 00:25:53.160
it's out there to make it easy for you.

458
00:25:53.359 --> 00:25:55.039
You got to feel it inside of you to do.

459
00:25:55.119 --> 00:25:56.240
It, no doubt.

460
00:25:56.640 --> 00:25:58.319
And I have two points to what you say because

461
00:25:58.319 --> 00:26:02.200
I agreed with all that. Like, first of all, you know,

462
00:26:03.519 --> 00:26:07.000
I live in South Florida now, and I feel bad

463
00:26:07.079 --> 00:26:09.640
for all my friends earned bands down here because it's

464
00:26:09.759 --> 00:26:13.200
like they have to play the covers to get the gigs.

465
00:26:13.640 --> 00:26:16.279
You know, that's what the bars down here pay for.

466
00:26:16.599 --> 00:26:19.559
They pay for the covers. And like, I think a

467
00:26:19.799 --> 00:26:22.920
musician's gonna want to do originals and like, yeah, you

468
00:26:23.039 --> 00:26:25.119
do covers for a while, but then it's going to

469
00:26:25.200 --> 00:26:28.519
be getting old when you're singing and playing stuff that

470
00:26:29.440 --> 00:26:32.839
didn't come from your inside. You know, it came from

471
00:26:32.880 --> 00:26:37.200
somebody else's and maybe you relate, but sometimes you need

472
00:26:37.279 --> 00:26:41.559
to get that what your artistic ability out And it's

473
00:26:42.160 --> 00:26:45.359
it's like this, I don't think people realize the line

474
00:26:45.440 --> 00:26:49.119
you have to tread between, you know, should I do originals?

475
00:26:49.119 --> 00:26:50.200
Should I do covers?

476
00:26:50.880 --> 00:26:55.079
You know, when you're you know, not the icons that

477
00:26:55.240 --> 00:26:59.920
are basically playing covers of their own songs, and when

478
00:27:00.000 --> 00:27:02.839
and you're not at the bottom either, Like it's that

479
00:27:03.079 --> 00:27:06.440
middle road that I think is so hard, Like you're

480
00:27:06.519 --> 00:27:08.039
not here, but you're not there.

481
00:27:09.000 --> 00:27:10.799
Yeah, that's the road we're on exactly.

482
00:27:12.759 --> 00:27:14.519
We know that road very well, and you know, to

483
00:27:14.640 --> 00:27:16.799
your point, I mean, coup framed it perfectly what we're

484
00:27:16.839 --> 00:27:18.920
doing covers, and we're like, we don't even listen to

485
00:27:19.000 --> 00:27:21.640
these songs, Like these songs are even on our iTunes.

486
00:27:22.039 --> 00:27:24.079
We don't really need the money. What do we making

487
00:27:24.079 --> 00:27:25.920
one hundred bucks a night? And after a couple of

488
00:27:25.960 --> 00:27:28.079
beers and a hamburger, what are we walking out with?

489
00:27:28.200 --> 00:27:30.599
And it's like, but the real important thing was at

490
00:27:30.640 --> 00:27:33.759
the time, which is I guess around twenty eighteen twenty nineteen,

491
00:27:33.839 --> 00:27:36.759
right before COVID, We're like, none of the music that

492
00:27:36.920 --> 00:27:40.359
was coming out had the kind of characteristics of what

493
00:27:40.440 --> 00:27:43.359
we grew up with, yeh, which was decades and decades

494
00:27:43.400 --> 00:27:46.960
of great metal rock, classic rock, hair metal, grunge, you

495
00:27:47.079 --> 00:27:50.880
name it, the sing along choruses, the great guitar solos.

496
00:27:50.799 --> 00:27:53.240
You know that attitude, you know.

497
00:27:53.440 --> 00:27:56.079
And we're like, you know, maybe bands that Clutch and

498
00:27:56.240 --> 00:27:58.000
Rival Sons and ball Beat, some of the bands we

499
00:27:58.039 --> 00:28:00.599
still love. They were putting out some good stuff Masterdam,

500
00:28:00.680 --> 00:28:03.839
but over for the most part nothing and we're like,

501
00:28:03.960 --> 00:28:05.720
screw it, man, let's let's just give it a shot.

502
00:28:06.079 --> 00:28:08.559
We felt like like the playing field was wide open

503
00:28:08.720 --> 00:28:11.440
because nobody was really put anything out.

504
00:28:12.480 --> 00:28:14.079
Yeah, and so we did it.

505
00:28:14.160 --> 00:28:15.599
And you know, the Who on Earth name which you

506
00:28:15.680 --> 00:28:18.279
referred to before, I can't believe that name wasn't taken.

507
00:28:18.359 --> 00:28:21.720
We looked at hundreds of names, and you you cannot

508
00:28:21.799 --> 00:28:23.799
find a band name that is not taken anymore.

509
00:28:24.359 --> 00:28:24.519
I know.

510
00:28:24.799 --> 00:28:26.039
I always see that.

511
00:28:26.200 --> 00:28:28.039
I say that to other bands because they have to

512
00:28:28.160 --> 00:28:31.240
like put a symbol or put a letter backwards, or

513
00:28:31.559 --> 00:28:34.160
because it's it's like, wow, you can't even come up

514
00:28:34.200 --> 00:28:36.079
with a band name nowadays.

515
00:28:35.960 --> 00:28:36.680
Right right, right?

516
00:28:37.000 --> 00:28:38.799
But Who on Earth was not taken? And we were

517
00:28:38.880 --> 00:28:41.359
like holy shit. And for us it was just like

518
00:28:41.440 --> 00:28:43.920
you said, like an open ended question, who on Earth

519
00:28:44.039 --> 00:28:46.200
is going to bring back that stuff we grew up with?

520
00:28:46.400 --> 00:28:47.480
We want to be we love.

521
00:28:47.599 --> 00:28:50.160
Somebody gave us the term torch bearers, you know, and

522
00:28:50.279 --> 00:28:51.920
you can see it behind you, and we put it

523
00:28:52.000 --> 00:28:54.839
on the album cover, you know, the torch Bearers of

524
00:28:55.079 --> 00:28:58.200
just you know, it's not just could try tested in

525
00:28:58.319 --> 00:29:00.799
true rock and metal like them. We're not, you know,

526
00:29:00.880 --> 00:29:04.160
we're not trying to do anything different. It's all been done,

527
00:29:04.319 --> 00:29:06.880
but you know, somebody keeping it.

528
00:29:07.359 --> 00:29:10.319
There is one difference though, Okay, because I agree with you.

529
00:29:10.359 --> 00:29:12.640
And that was the other point I was gonna go, Like,

530
00:29:12.920 --> 00:29:15.119
I go on tour and I do coverage of music

531
00:29:15.200 --> 00:29:17.799
festivals all over the US, UK, Europe.

532
00:29:17.519 --> 00:29:20.319
So I get to hear a lot of new bands.

533
00:29:21.559 --> 00:29:23.640
And I hate to say it, when I was a

534
00:29:23.759 --> 00:29:28.079
teenager and people were saying to me about metal bands, Oh,

535
00:29:28.160 --> 00:29:30.400
they all sound the same, I'm like, no, they don't.

536
00:29:31.440 --> 00:29:35.799
They do now, Like I always say, it's like it's

537
00:29:35.880 --> 00:29:39.599
like they're doing an algebraic equation to make metal, you know,

538
00:29:39.920 --> 00:29:43.720
like it's this formula. Whereas you take the bands back

539
00:29:43.799 --> 00:29:47.319
in the day, like they weren't trying to make anything.

540
00:29:47.559 --> 00:29:52.599
They were experimenting being true musicians, you know, and trying

541
00:29:52.640 --> 00:29:55.720
to figure out what sounds they could make, instead of

542
00:29:55.880 --> 00:29:57.920
making the sounds that everybody's already made.

543
00:29:59.200 --> 00:29:59.839
Creep, creep.

544
00:30:00.319 --> 00:30:02.759
I mean, look, it's octane radio, right, look at it.

545
00:30:03.440 --> 00:30:06.799
Every It's almost like you have to fit a formula

546
00:30:07.079 --> 00:30:09.720
or a template, you know. Okay, we're gonna start off

547
00:30:09.759 --> 00:30:13.799
with a screaming, crazy in your face verse, and they're

548
00:30:13.799 --> 00:30:16.119
gonna go to a nice chorus, you know, and I'm

549
00:30:16.160 --> 00:30:17.759
gonna come back and rip your head off again, and

550
00:30:17.799 --> 00:30:20.519
then yeah, we're gonna tune really down and put this

551
00:30:20.680 --> 00:30:24.079
background noise in this industrial sound is I don't know

552
00:30:24.119 --> 00:30:25.839
what you call it, right, who should we talking about that?

553
00:30:25.960 --> 00:30:29.519
Like there's just this this presence of another track in

554
00:30:29.599 --> 00:30:32.319
the background. And yeah, these bands go and they play

555
00:30:32.359 --> 00:30:35.119
with a stack of computers, drives and stuff like.

556
00:30:35.680 --> 00:30:36.880
Have you seen the meme?

557
00:30:37.160 --> 00:30:41.720
Okay, there's this meme. It's funny as shit. It's two pictures.

558
00:30:42.400 --> 00:30:46.960
On top is rock star in the eighties who's lying

559
00:30:47.079 --> 00:30:48.480
on the ground passed out.

560
00:30:48.359 --> 00:30:51.079
With guitar in one hand and Jack Daniels in the.

561
00:30:51.119 --> 00:30:55.079
Other hand, and then the rock star of now and

562
00:30:55.200 --> 00:30:57.960
it's some dude sitting and compare with the guitar on

563
00:30:58.039 --> 00:31:00.000
his lap while he's typing on the.

564
00:31:01.920 --> 00:31:02.119
Yeah.

565
00:31:03.039 --> 00:31:06.160
Yeah, it's not even like he's playing. It's not it's

566
00:31:06.240 --> 00:31:08.680
not a lap slide. He's not playing it. It's just

567
00:31:09.279 --> 00:31:10.160
there for decoration.

568
00:31:10.359 --> 00:31:14.960
I think it's funny because it's true, right, you know,

569
00:31:15.119 --> 00:31:16.039
it's not so funny.

570
00:31:17.000 --> 00:31:20.880
No, And there is something missing when it comes to that,

571
00:31:21.279 --> 00:31:24.480
in my opinion, because there I think you need the

572
00:31:24.640 --> 00:31:28.200
heart and that's what's missing. That's what AI doesn't have either.

573
00:31:28.279 --> 00:31:30.839
AI doesn't have the heart, you know, and and it's

574
00:31:30.880 --> 00:31:34.160
not even the talent. Like if you really listen to

575
00:31:34.279 --> 00:31:36.480
the AI music, you can.

576
00:31:36.559 --> 00:31:40.119
Tell it's a computer. It's not talented, you know, it's

577
00:31:40.359 --> 00:31:43.799
just a bunch of algorithms put together.

578
00:31:44.480 --> 00:31:48.279
Yeah, yeah, yeah, Well that we're trying. We're not trying

579
00:31:48.359 --> 00:31:51.680
to write something that people want. We hope they like it,

580
00:31:51.799 --> 00:31:54.359
but not everybody's gonna like it. Right, people don't like

581
00:31:54.440 --> 00:31:58.000
the Beatles, right, Okay, if people don't like the Rolling Stone,

582
00:31:58.079 --> 00:32:01.279
so we get that. So we you know, but we've

583
00:32:01.359 --> 00:32:03.200
just like we would like it for them to like

584
00:32:03.400 --> 00:32:07.200
what we wrote, you know, and you gotta.

585
00:32:07.160 --> 00:32:09.759
Like what you're writing, you know, like when you're a

586
00:32:10.279 --> 00:32:13.640
true musician, you play for yourself, not for who's gonna

587
00:32:13.720 --> 00:32:15.279
like it, and then your tribe comes.

588
00:32:16.000 --> 00:32:16.200
Yeah.

589
00:32:17.839 --> 00:32:21.119
Yeah, we find that, you know, with our music, you're

590
00:32:21.200 --> 00:32:22.960
either gonna love it or you're gonna hate it, and

591
00:32:23.039 --> 00:32:25.599
the people that hate it, you're gonna grow to love it.

592
00:32:28.279 --> 00:32:31.039
That that that does happen with good metal or good

593
00:32:31.160 --> 00:32:35.559
hard rock, because like I'll say one example for me

594
00:32:36.160 --> 00:32:40.160
that probably be let people be like what I and

595
00:32:40.319 --> 00:32:42.519
that is the first time I heard back in Black,

596
00:32:42.599 --> 00:32:47.240
I hated it. And because at that time, like I

597
00:32:47.279 --> 00:32:49.720
would never maybe listen to him ever again if we

598
00:32:49.759 --> 00:32:52.400
were in today's time because of its track track track

599
00:32:52.559 --> 00:32:56.319
mentality bullshit. But in that time, I spent a lot

600
00:32:56.400 --> 00:32:59.960
of money on that album, and I was gonna listen

601
00:33:00.039 --> 00:33:02.559
and do it over and over again to get my

602
00:33:02.799 --> 00:33:05.839
money's worth, and then it's like one of my favorite

603
00:33:05.880 --> 00:33:09.079
albums ever, you know. And that's kind of way it

604
00:33:09.240 --> 00:33:11.480
was with I think a lot of music back then.

605
00:33:12.039 --> 00:33:14.279
There's so many bands that I didn't like when I

606
00:33:14.400 --> 00:33:16.599
first heard them, and then they just grew on me.

607
00:33:17.240 --> 00:33:21.400
And nowadays bands don't get that chance because people don't

608
00:33:21.400 --> 00:33:25.359
even listen like five seconds or like I was speaking

609
00:33:25.480 --> 00:33:30.319
to somebody. And even songwriting has changed as far as

610
00:33:30.440 --> 00:33:34.319
what the model is. I remember learning songwriting in college,

611
00:33:34.400 --> 00:33:39.000
and you know, you had the intro, the first verse, chorus,

612
00:33:39.160 --> 00:33:44.880
second verse, bridge, solo, third verse chorus. Now it's like, okay,

613
00:33:45.000 --> 00:33:47.160
get rid of the intro, get rid of the break,

614
00:33:47.240 --> 00:33:51.519
get rid of the solo. Yeah, only two verses and

615
00:33:52.519 --> 00:33:54.519
you know, get to the point and be done with it.

616
00:33:54.720 --> 00:33:59.000
And some of my favorite all time Member songs, I

617
00:33:59.119 --> 00:34:01.279
had to get through the first ten seconds to the

618
00:34:01.359 --> 00:34:02.720
meat and potatoes of the song.

619
00:34:03.359 --> 00:34:06.799
Yeah, yeah, oh my god, a five minute song. Now

620
00:34:06.839 --> 00:34:08.480
people look at that like it's like they got to

621
00:34:08.519 --> 00:34:13.639
read the Bible, right, I mean, you know, I will

622
00:34:13.719 --> 00:34:15.719
say I think Tool's last album.

623
00:34:15.840 --> 00:34:16.599
Who I love Tool?

624
00:34:16.800 --> 00:34:17.159
They have it.

625
00:34:17.320 --> 00:34:18.920
They came out with an album and every song was

626
00:34:18.960 --> 00:34:21.079
over ten minutes. I was like, right, this is great

627
00:34:21.119 --> 00:34:22.079
and it went to number one.

628
00:34:23.079 --> 00:34:27.039
Well, the last Metallica album, they wrote the longest song

629
00:34:27.159 --> 00:34:28.199
they ever did in.

630
00:34:28.280 --> 00:34:32.000
Their whole career. And I'm like, cool, I don't.

631
00:34:31.760 --> 00:34:34.000
Even care if I like it now, just because you

632
00:34:34.079 --> 00:34:38.119
did that, you know, yeah, because those songs took you

633
00:34:38.159 --> 00:34:41.800
on journeys. Can you imagine not liking Daves and Confused

634
00:34:41.840 --> 00:34:46.559
because it was too long? Like you know, it just

635
00:34:46.960 --> 00:34:50.639
it amazes me because these things took us on journeys

636
00:34:51.199 --> 00:34:54.119
and it was the best therapy there was for sure.

637
00:34:54.920 --> 00:34:55.119
Yeah.

638
00:34:55.119 --> 00:34:58.559
How about the Rush Rush with their amazingly long songs.

639
00:34:58.599 --> 00:35:00.320
I mean, look at z I had to do.

640
00:35:01.159 --> 00:35:04.079
I mean it just it feels like a four minute song,

641
00:35:04.199 --> 00:35:06.239
but it's like, you know, eleven minutes or song. But

642
00:35:06.320 --> 00:35:08.039
it's like you said it, it's a journey.

643
00:35:08.840 --> 00:35:11.559
Yeah, and you listen to a whole album because it

644
00:35:11.599 --> 00:35:13.599
didn't make sense, Like it doesn't make sense.

645
00:35:13.880 --> 00:35:15.159
Listen not listening to.

646
00:35:15.239 --> 00:35:18.639
The whole dark side of the Moon r like or

647
00:35:19.119 --> 00:35:21.920
or you could even go back to like albums by

648
00:35:22.079 --> 00:35:26.159
Yes you know or or anything like that. You know,

649
00:35:26.400 --> 00:35:29.599
you would never just listen to one song, you know.

650
00:35:30.280 --> 00:35:32.360
Yeah, yeah, and look it up. So we're worried about that.

651
00:35:32.440 --> 00:35:35.400
We let out a six minute song called Yesterday's Future

652
00:35:35.480 --> 00:35:38.639
with no repeating verse, no repeating chorus.

653
00:35:38.440 --> 00:35:40.440
Story from you know, beginning to end.

654
00:35:41.360 --> 00:35:43.280
And these guys, you know, back in the day.

655
00:35:43.159 --> 00:35:45.920
They were releasing ten to fifteen minute long songs.

656
00:35:46.519 --> 00:35:48.559
I love it and and they cooked and they loved

657
00:35:48.599 --> 00:35:54.239
it exactly. You know, it's musicianship. Like I don't get

658
00:35:54.360 --> 00:35:59.119
why people hate on solos, Like to me, I always

659
00:35:59.280 --> 00:36:03.159
loved souls and like there's a big thing now against

660
00:36:03.880 --> 00:36:07.559
no solos in a live show, Like that's the reason

661
00:36:07.639 --> 00:36:10.760
and go to a live show. In my opinion, you

662
00:36:10.800 --> 00:36:14.719
can listen to the album. The live show is about the.

663
00:36:14.840 --> 00:36:17.440
Experience, like that's where the Grateful Dead did it, right,

664
00:36:17.679 --> 00:36:20.679
Like every show is different, a different experience.

665
00:36:21.280 --> 00:36:25.000
Yeah, well, I mean, I know you probably to view

666
00:36:25.000 --> 00:36:26.920
a lot of artists and obviously you got being in

667
00:36:27.000 --> 00:36:29.159
your position and your age similar to us you got

668
00:36:29.159 --> 00:36:31.119
your finger on kind of the pulse of what's going on.

669
00:36:31.280 --> 00:36:33.119
We've just pointed out a whole bunch of things that

670
00:36:33.280 --> 00:36:35.840
kind of suck and changes that we don't But I

671
00:36:35.920 --> 00:36:40.719
will say I'm optimistic that the good, true nature of

672
00:36:40.840 --> 00:36:42.880
what we're talking about and the songs in the decades

673
00:36:42.920 --> 00:36:45.280
of what we grew up with, it's coming back because

674
00:36:45.559 --> 00:36:49.880
they want they don't want digit Everything was digital, right,

675
00:36:50.119 --> 00:36:53.880
even shit like that, even now currency everything digital digital, digital,

676
00:36:53.920 --> 00:36:57.719
fake digital, tickets digital. But people want to touch things again,

677
00:36:57.800 --> 00:36:59.760
they want to see things again, they want to look

678
00:36:59.800 --> 00:37:02.000
at the artwork they want to and they want to

679
00:37:02.079 --> 00:37:05.480
buy stuff. They want tangible because they realize if it's

680
00:37:05.480 --> 00:37:08.000
not tangible, it's really not real. And we're starting to

681
00:37:08.000 --> 00:37:10.960
see that. So I'm hopeful. Maybe you know, we're talking

682
00:37:11.039 --> 00:37:13.400
our own game here, but like we see the shows

683
00:37:13.400 --> 00:37:15.440
where the dad's outrage are there and their kids are

684
00:37:15.480 --> 00:37:17.960
with them. Yeah, come up to the merch Dan after, Hey,

685
00:37:18.039 --> 00:37:19.639
my son really liked your bands. Can you get a

686
00:37:19.679 --> 00:37:22.599
picture where you were like, fuck, yeah, of course, you know, like,

687
00:37:23.199 --> 00:37:25.559
and we ended up giving them shirts and stickers because

688
00:37:25.559 --> 00:37:27.519
we just love seeing the young kids there.

689
00:37:27.440 --> 00:37:30.639
And that's how you hook them. That's how you hook them,

690
00:37:30.719 --> 00:37:35.280
get them involved in it. Yeah, yeah, so I have,

691
00:37:35.519 --> 00:37:38.199
but I have my kids and grandkids come with me.

692
00:37:38.360 --> 00:37:43.760
And like to your point, my grandkids recently had birthdays

693
00:37:44.199 --> 00:37:48.199
and two of them wanted albums. Of course, I was

694
00:37:48.280 --> 00:37:50.679
in shock when I went to buy the albums because

695
00:37:50.679 --> 00:37:53.760
they were like forty bucks the final album. I'm like,

696
00:37:54.679 --> 00:37:57.360
how would I have afforded that. I still have some

697
00:37:57.679 --> 00:38:01.079
albums at my house with price tags on it that

698
00:38:01.159 --> 00:38:02.679
said like two ninety nine.

699
00:38:04.800 --> 00:38:05.960
Big circle stickers.

700
00:38:06.079 --> 00:38:13.000
Yeah yeah, yeah album right right, But it is I think, yeah,

701
00:38:13.079 --> 00:38:15.440
I think they're getting sick of it. You know, it's

702
00:38:15.519 --> 00:38:18.760
like they're getting sick of it's just nothing being real anymore.

703
00:38:19.159 --> 00:38:22.320
And if any positive comes from this AI explosion, I

704
00:38:22.400 --> 00:38:25.440
think that is the positive because I think that's creating

705
00:38:25.559 --> 00:38:29.360
it even more, you know. And uh, and then the

706
00:38:29.480 --> 00:38:32.960
resurgence of bands like you like you mentioned a few bands,

707
00:38:33.039 --> 00:38:37.320
and that the musicianship the good old rock and roll

708
00:38:37.519 --> 00:38:42.039
of the seventies and the sixties is coming back, like

709
00:38:42.320 --> 00:38:47.159
bands like Rival Sons and you know, I mean and

710
00:38:47.519 --> 00:38:53.840
like Dirty Honey another example, you know, And these bands

711
00:38:53.920 --> 00:38:59.280
are actually playing music like it used to be. And

712
00:38:59.559 --> 00:39:05.480
you engage in a live show, post to I can't

713
00:39:05.519 --> 00:39:11.039
do my show because I didn't bring my laptops.

714
00:39:11.159 --> 00:39:13.320
I lost my charger for my laptop. What are we

715
00:39:13.400 --> 00:39:13.719
gonna do?

716
00:39:14.440 --> 00:39:14.599
Right?

717
00:39:16.639 --> 00:39:16.800
Oh?

718
00:39:16.920 --> 00:39:21.400
No, So tell everybody how they can reach out to

719
00:39:21.480 --> 00:39:22.000
you guys.

720
00:39:22.559 --> 00:39:26.719
Check out the new album, check out everything got going on,

721
00:39:26.920 --> 00:39:30.599
and most importantly, check out your merch, because if they

722
00:39:30.639 --> 00:39:32.880
don't buy your merch, they can't be and listen to

723
00:39:32.960 --> 00:39:33.800
my show anymore.

724
00:39:35.159 --> 00:39:35.400
Great.

725
00:39:36.159 --> 00:39:39.119
Well, we've got a website, who on earththeband dot com.

726
00:39:39.320 --> 00:39:41.519
We've got everything on there. It's got you know, news

727
00:39:41.639 --> 00:39:44.519
articles with links to our videos, links to our songs,

728
00:39:45.280 --> 00:39:47.880
all our tour dates are on their merch. Everything's there.

729
00:39:48.320 --> 00:39:51.519
We're all over social media, and we do the social

730
00:39:51.599 --> 00:39:54.599
media thing with some cool behind the scenes stuff. We

731
00:39:54.679 --> 00:39:57.280
try to keep that interesting. So we're literally everywhere. We're

732
00:39:57.320 --> 00:40:01.559
trying to cover it all so that any and we

733
00:40:01.639 --> 00:40:05.639
have a band camp account. Also, our merch is definitely,

734
00:40:05.960 --> 00:40:09.280
you know, nicely economically priced, because we were of the

735
00:40:09.400 --> 00:40:11.920
view we'd rather see it on somebody's back than just

736
00:40:12.000 --> 00:40:14.800
sitting in a sitting in a box in our house,

737
00:40:14.920 --> 00:40:18.000
you know. So so yeah, I mean, we're we're all

738
00:40:18.079 --> 00:40:21.320
over the place, we're easy to find and yeah, we're

739
00:40:21.360 --> 00:40:23.960
going to be hitting the road too, so a lot

740
00:40:24.000 --> 00:40:24.800
of good stuff happen.

741
00:40:25.760 --> 00:40:26.559
Nice, I love it.

742
00:40:26.760 --> 00:40:29.400
Is there anything else you guys want to let the

743
00:40:29.519 --> 00:40:32.280
listeners know that we haven't covered already that they need

744
00:40:32.400 --> 00:40:33.280
to know that's coming up.

745
00:40:35.840 --> 00:40:37.719
It Takes the Village. Our next album will be out

746
00:40:37.760 --> 00:40:39.719
on May eighth. It's also the same day that we

747
00:40:39.800 --> 00:40:43.079
start our tour with Fozzy and uh, we'll be all

748
00:40:43.159 --> 00:40:45.159
over the country this year, so look out for us.

749
00:40:45.400 --> 00:40:47.320
And uh, if you do come to a show, please

750
00:40:47.360 --> 00:40:49.880
come and say hello and give us a bro hug.

751
00:40:51.039 --> 00:40:51.239
Yeah.

752
00:40:52.039 --> 00:40:55.159
Yeah, what a fun What a fun tour too with

753
00:40:55.360 --> 00:40:59.039
Fozzy and that's great time. We can't wait.

754
00:40:59.679 --> 00:41:02.599
Wait. Is going to be challenge into an arm wrestling so.

755
00:41:04.079 --> 00:41:06.519
You need to video that and put it on TikTok.

756
00:41:08.199 --> 00:41:12.079
Actually a little fun fact about me and I'm not big, Okay,

757
00:41:12.320 --> 00:41:16.159
I'm small. No one has ever beat me in arm

758
00:41:16.199 --> 00:41:20.480
wrestling ever. Now doesn't mean I've won every time, but

759
00:41:20.679 --> 00:41:24.159
nobody's ever pinned me down. I lock my wrist and

760
00:41:24.320 --> 00:41:31.920
they can't do it. Wow, at least still to you know,

761
00:41:32.840 --> 00:41:38.440
another ten years, who knows. But it's been a blast.

762
00:41:39.159 --> 00:41:41.400
I love what you guys are doing. Everybody's got to

763
00:41:41.519 --> 00:41:45.000
check out the new album. And it does take the village,

764
00:41:45.880 --> 00:41:47.800
you know. And I live in South Florida, so I

765
00:41:47.840 --> 00:41:50.440
don't know if that's a positive if it takes the villages,

766
00:41:55.079 --> 00:42:00.159
but yeah, no, it does, especially nowadays, we need to

767
00:42:00.239 --> 00:42:04.760
be a village and that village is music. So thanks

768
00:42:04.800 --> 00:42:07.559
a lot for making us great music and thanks for

769
00:42:07.639 --> 00:42:10.199
being on the adventures of payment Pleasure.

770
00:42:10.280 --> 00:42:12.039
Thank you, thank you for having us, buddy.

771
00:42:12.039 --> 00:42:13.960
We really appreciate it, My pleasure.

772
00:42:14.440 --> 00:42:18.760
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773
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777
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778
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779
00:42:48.320 --> 00:42:51.400
Hi you have then too, Censure.

780
00:42:54.519 --> 00:43:09.239
Wow for you your job job.

781
00:43:13.440 --> 00:43:16.679
Yes day, which is the pipe Man here on the

782
00:43:16.719 --> 00:43:19.719
Adventure to pipe Man W four c Y Radio. And

783
00:43:20.119 --> 00:43:24.000
I'm here with our next guest who has some killer

784
00:43:24.119 --> 00:43:28.000
music and so let's welcome to his show. Tom from Ravenmacher,

785
00:43:28.079 --> 00:43:28.480
how are you.

786
00:43:28.920 --> 00:43:30.880
I'm doing great, man, Thank you so much for having me.

787
00:43:31.360 --> 00:43:33.119
Oh my pleasure. Funny too.

788
00:43:33.199 --> 00:43:35.079
While I was starting to do that, I was looking

789
00:43:35.119 --> 00:43:37.119
at my virtual background, like, oh, do I have it

790
00:43:37.199 --> 00:43:41.000
on mirror mode? Your logo is cool. It's like kind

791
00:43:41.000 --> 00:43:44.360
of cool like bookends wrapping around the name.

792
00:43:45.000 --> 00:43:45.199
Yeah.

793
00:43:45.519 --> 00:43:49.639
Yeah, it's actually our drummer decided that might be a

794
00:43:49.719 --> 00:43:54.320
cool little addition to the to the logo, so he

795
00:43:54.760 --> 00:43:57.440
actually was the inspiration behind the backwards are right at

796
00:43:57.480 --> 00:43:57.880
the end there.

797
00:43:59.000 --> 00:44:01.559
And I think you alma need to do that nowadays,

798
00:44:02.320 --> 00:44:06.639
you know, because it's so hard nowadays with bands. I

799
00:44:06.800 --> 00:44:08.719
was just talking about that in the last interview, like

800
00:44:08.800 --> 00:44:12.199
the things that bands have to do to make their

801
00:44:12.320 --> 00:44:15.000
names stand out nowadays because there's so many.

802
00:44:15.599 --> 00:44:18.239
Yeah, oh, you're so right about that. It's it's really

803
00:44:18.320 --> 00:44:22.199
easy to get lost in the in the massive uh,

804
00:44:22.639 --> 00:44:24.800
you know, music coming out and you gotta you gotta

805
00:44:24.880 --> 00:44:25.480
stand out.

806
00:44:25.360 --> 00:44:26.800
Somehow, totally.

807
00:44:27.360 --> 00:44:30.119
So tell our listeners who may not have heard of

808
00:44:30.239 --> 00:44:32.760
you or heard your music a little bit about Raven

809
00:44:32.840 --> 00:44:36.519
Mocker and you know how it came about and what

810
00:44:37.360 --> 00:44:40.559
how you view your music not not like a genre,

811
00:44:40.800 --> 00:44:42.800
but like how you view it as an artist.

812
00:44:43.159 --> 00:44:46.760
Yeah, sure, well again, thank you for having me. My

813
00:44:46.880 --> 00:44:50.000
name's Tom. I played guitar and sing in the band

814
00:44:50.480 --> 00:44:53.960
Raven Mocker. We are a melodic death metal band that

815
00:44:54.039 --> 00:44:57.039
derives a lot of influence from bands like Children of

816
00:44:57.079 --> 00:45:02.920
Boatum Insomnium, Omnium, Gatherum, more melodic stuff than your typical

817
00:45:03.000 --> 00:45:05.559
death metal. But obviously I'm a huge fan of the

818
00:45:06.199 --> 00:45:10.000
death metal vocals, so that's the style I bring to

819
00:45:10.119 --> 00:45:16.239
the table as the vocalist. We I Guess the band

820
00:45:16.360 --> 00:45:21.320
started off. I've always used I guess my own style

821
00:45:21.360 --> 00:45:23.679
of writing just as a kind of coping mechanism for

822
00:45:24.280 --> 00:45:28.280
the life we live nowadays. You know, worlds in peril,

823
00:45:28.480 --> 00:45:30.320
you know, almost one hundred percent of the time, And

824
00:45:30.800 --> 00:45:32.639
it's just the way I kind of get out of

825
00:45:32.719 --> 00:45:35.239
myself and allow myself to forget about all of that stuff.

826
00:45:36.519 --> 00:45:39.559
Professionally as a musician, I played drums for bands for

827
00:45:39.639 --> 00:45:43.719
the last like eighteen to twenty years, but I wanted

828
00:45:43.760 --> 00:45:46.840
to do something different. So last year I came off

829
00:45:46.880 --> 00:45:49.360
of a tour supporting Arch Enemy and I was like,

830
00:45:49.480 --> 00:45:51.760
you know what, I'm I want to do something different,

831
00:45:52.039 --> 00:45:56.679
Like I just had this feeling of wanting to do more,

832
00:45:56.840 --> 00:45:59.360
be more. I mean on the tour, I you know,

833
00:45:59.480 --> 00:46:01.760
we did nominally it was a great response to the

834
00:46:01.880 --> 00:46:04.159
music we brought, but I wanted to do something else,

835
00:46:04.239 --> 00:46:08.559
so I left that project and I wound up just

836
00:46:08.639 --> 00:46:13.840
spending that summer writing and writing and writing and writing.

837
00:46:14.639 --> 00:46:18.079
You know, pretty much everything you heard on the first

838
00:46:18.119 --> 00:46:21.039
two singles was done in this room. You know, I

839
00:46:21.480 --> 00:46:24.840
got my my electronic kit and my guitars right there.

840
00:46:25.079 --> 00:46:27.440
You know, I just locked myself away in here for

841
00:46:28.519 --> 00:46:32.159
for days at a time and just started trying to

842
00:46:33.960 --> 00:46:35.760
you know, I'm not the greatest guitarist in the world.

843
00:46:35.880 --> 00:46:39.599
Drums is really my primary instrument, so I wanted to

844
00:46:39.679 --> 00:46:42.599
allow myself to be challenged, but also, you know, not

845
00:46:42.760 --> 00:46:45.320
worry so much about dude, if you can't if you

846
00:46:45.400 --> 00:46:49.039
can't shred at like Momstein's style speeds like, there's no

847
00:46:50.039 --> 00:46:52.760
there's no disappointment in that as long as you're making

848
00:46:52.880 --> 00:46:57.360
good music. So I just kind of I locked myself

849
00:46:57.400 --> 00:47:00.840
in here and I just tried to I tried to

850
00:47:01.000 --> 00:47:04.440
just let everything out, and I think we did a

851
00:47:04.480 --> 00:47:09.280
pretty good job. From you know, releasing the first two singles.

852
00:47:09.320 --> 00:47:13.880
This year, we've garnered almost two hundred thousand views on

853
00:47:14.039 --> 00:47:16.880
YouTube off of those two singles alone, and for being

854
00:47:16.920 --> 00:47:18.880
a brand new band. That's kind of like, that's a.

855
00:47:18.880 --> 00:47:20.480
Really, that's a lot.

856
00:47:20.920 --> 00:47:24.639
We're proud of ourselves for that. Obviously, that kind of

857
00:47:24.679 --> 00:47:26.280
sets the bar for the rest of what we do.

858
00:47:26.519 --> 00:47:29.880
So you know, we're far from taking a break, but

859
00:47:30.920 --> 00:47:34.840
we're trying to make every single song, every single quality

860
00:47:34.880 --> 00:47:38.360
of production a little better than the last time. And

861
00:47:39.559 --> 00:47:42.360
we just came out of the studio. Our drummer Dylan

862
00:47:42.920 --> 00:47:46.760
recorded I think the rest of the songs for the album,

863
00:47:46.840 --> 00:47:49.079
so I think it's like ten or eleven songs, and

864
00:47:51.480 --> 00:47:54.400
we re recorded the first two because he's been playing

865
00:47:54.440 --> 00:47:58.199
it now for almost a year, and he was like,

866
00:47:58.280 --> 00:47:59.800
I can do better, and we were like, all right,

867
00:48:00.360 --> 00:48:03.559
let's re record the drums for Infallible and Where the

868
00:48:03.679 --> 00:48:08.039
Raven Flies. So, needless to say, he he plugged away

869
00:48:08.079 --> 00:48:12.280
on him and and they came out wonderful. But yeah,

870
00:48:12.360 --> 00:48:14.280
we're hoping the next songs that we drop over the

871
00:48:14.360 --> 00:48:18.159
next year or so, they're going to be really They're

872
00:48:18.199 --> 00:48:20.320
gonna be really special. They're gonna be something that fans

873
00:48:20.360 --> 00:48:24.679
can really appreciate and relate to. Don't get me wrong.

874
00:48:24.719 --> 00:48:27.039
I love my speed metal bands and stuff, but like

875
00:48:28.039 --> 00:48:29.840
we wanted to be accessible.

876
00:48:29.360 --> 00:48:34.079
To and I know, uh.

877
00:48:35.719 --> 00:48:37.480
Yeah, I don't really know what else to say about it.

878
00:48:38.400 --> 00:48:39.199
That's good enough.

879
00:48:39.559 --> 00:48:43.280
It's coming from the heart, you know, and that yeah,

880
00:48:43.280 --> 00:48:47.239
I think that's really We're gonna learn stuff about, you know,

881
00:48:47.400 --> 00:48:50.000
our writing process and everything like that over the next year.

882
00:48:50.119 --> 00:48:53.239
So who knows where, uh the next record may come

883
00:48:53.280 --> 00:48:57.679
out to, But I can tell you for sure, the

884
00:48:57.760 --> 00:49:00.360
guys in the band they are they are so happy

885
00:49:00.440 --> 00:49:03.960
to be doing this and dedicated and like you know,

886
00:49:04.079 --> 00:49:06.480
they put in the work and it's never a it's

887
00:49:06.559 --> 00:49:10.440
never a hassle to get rehearsal together. We're all very

888
00:49:11.039 --> 00:49:14.840
enthusiastic about like future production, how we want our live

889
00:49:14.920 --> 00:49:18.119
shows to look, and it's it's really a special thing

890
00:49:18.239 --> 00:49:20.880
working without all of them. It truly is love.

891
00:49:21.000 --> 00:49:23.719
I love hearing that too, because it's important. You know,

892
00:49:23.800 --> 00:49:27.440
it's hard enough in the business you're in that it

893
00:49:27.440 --> 00:49:30.880
shouldn't be hard within the band, yeah, And the fact

894
00:49:30.960 --> 00:49:34.519
that you know it's not hard and you're having fun

895
00:49:34.639 --> 00:49:37.599
and you're being real that to me, that's what it's

896
00:49:37.639 --> 00:49:40.840
all about, and that's why you're getting that many you know,

897
00:49:41.039 --> 00:49:45.360
views and listens is because you know, if you're real

898
00:49:46.039 --> 00:49:48.559
and you're being a true musician and not just somebody

899
00:49:49.000 --> 00:49:51.920
you know, try to implement some formula, Like it takes

900
00:49:51.920 --> 00:49:55.239
a lot of balls to go from drums to you know,

901
00:49:55.480 --> 00:50:00.159
singing and playing guitar. And my hat's off to you

902
00:50:00.199 --> 00:50:02.119
because I played drums for nine years when I was

903
00:50:02.119 --> 00:50:04.280
a kid, and I sucked, and I switched a guitar.

904
00:50:04.800 --> 00:50:07.760
I sucked at that. I sang thrash metals, sucked at that.

905
00:50:08.599 --> 00:50:11.079
So my hat's off to you because it takes a

906
00:50:11.119 --> 00:50:13.440
lot of work. And the only reason I sucked is

907
00:50:13.440 --> 00:50:16.320
because I didn't put in the work, you know. And

908
00:50:16.480 --> 00:50:21.159
also you know a death metal singer that can do that.

909
00:50:22.400 --> 00:50:25.760
I mean, I don't think people realize. They think they're

910
00:50:25.800 --> 00:50:30.079
just screaming and how hard it is. That's why you know,

911
00:50:31.079 --> 00:50:33.280
I kind of sucked because I wasn't singing with the

912
00:50:33.360 --> 00:50:36.519
proper technique and I was blowing out my voice by

913
00:50:37.199 --> 00:50:39.760
you know, not doing it the right way, kind of

914
00:50:39.840 --> 00:50:43.960
like you know, I look at Courtney in a spirit

915
00:50:44.039 --> 00:50:48.079
Box as show and I watch her mouth, I'm like,

916
00:50:48.360 --> 00:50:52.880
oh my god, you know, like that technique that I

917
00:50:53.079 --> 00:50:56.440
watch her have, I'm like I'm so enamored with.

918
00:50:56.519 --> 00:50:59.480
It because it's like, holy shit, like look at what

919
00:50:59.639 --> 00:51:03.119
she's doing. I don't even know if I could do that. Absolutely.

920
00:51:03.480 --> 00:51:07.519
Yeah, you know, yeah, vocals is such a new animal

921
00:51:07.599 --> 00:51:12.440
for me. It I I did vocals very briefly when

922
00:51:12.480 --> 00:51:14.559
I was living in New Jersey for band, and you know,

923
00:51:14.639 --> 00:51:16.440
we played a couple of shows here there, but like

924
00:51:16.840 --> 00:51:20.559
it wasn't long enough to really have to focus in

925
00:51:20.679 --> 00:51:25.840
on that technique. And I think watching artists like you know,

926
00:51:25.960 --> 00:51:31.119
Phil Boseman, Will Ramos, even Travis from Cattle, they they

927
00:51:31.239 --> 00:51:38.920
have such unique approaches to their individual instrument and I'm

928
00:51:39.000 --> 00:51:41.199
just trying to figure out how they go for the

929
00:51:41.239 --> 00:51:44.559
longevity that they do. And there's there's absolutely a technique,

930
00:51:44.679 --> 00:51:48.920
and like I think there's been like research done on

931
00:51:49.039 --> 00:51:51.480
some of these vocalists because like people are wondering how

932
00:51:51.920 --> 00:51:54.320
how do you get that tone and then not only that,

933
00:51:54.599 --> 00:51:57.280
sustain it for like a month at a time.

934
00:51:57.679 --> 00:51:58.960
Doing it For me like.

935
00:51:59.000 --> 00:52:01.840
You're talking about, I mean, like that blows my mind.

936
00:52:02.199 --> 00:52:04.519
I think my incret Christ would be blown in like

937
00:52:04.719 --> 00:52:05.760
thirty seconds.

938
00:52:06.199 --> 00:52:06.440
Yeah.

939
00:52:07.400 --> 00:52:09.880
Yeah, And I think I think it comes down to purely,

940
00:52:10.239 --> 00:52:12.679
like you know, we spend so much time just talking

941
00:52:12.760 --> 00:52:15.119
in our regular voice. I think there is depth that

942
00:52:15.760 --> 00:52:19.239
you can find that it just it creates a different sound,

943
00:52:19.320 --> 00:52:22.199
and when you learn to get that far down, it

944
00:52:22.360 --> 00:52:25.599
just creates something new entirely. It's a phenomenal and very

945
00:52:25.679 --> 00:52:28.480
interesting subject for me, especially kind of like learning it

946
00:52:28.559 --> 00:52:29.599
in real time, you know.

947
00:52:30.199 --> 00:52:32.960
Well, I think Ali is a perfect example of why

948
00:52:33.079 --> 00:52:35.960
you need to have technique right from the beginning, because

949
00:52:36.320 --> 00:52:39.239
you know, he kind of changed because he couldn't do

950
00:52:39.360 --> 00:52:42.039
the death chrein war. The doctors were saying, you won't

951
00:52:42.119 --> 00:52:47.039
have a voice ever, you know, And I think that's

952
00:52:47.159 --> 00:52:51.840
from you know, not knowing the right technique from the beginning,

953
00:52:51.960 --> 00:52:54.199
and then you can learn it later. But then if

954
00:52:54.239 --> 00:52:56.880
you don't from the beginning, maybe there won't be a

955
00:52:57.000 --> 00:52:58.480
later sometimes exactly.

956
00:52:58.679 --> 00:52:58.840
Yeah.

957
00:52:58.880 --> 00:53:01.199
Another band that I've known is that is a Devil

958
00:53:01.199 --> 00:53:03.079
Wars product. I used to listen to them in high

959
00:53:03.079 --> 00:53:05.880
school and stuff like that. And uh, you know, the

960
00:53:06.239 --> 00:53:09.960
singer Mike, he's he's he's definitely much better off from

961
00:53:09.960 --> 00:53:11.559
where he used to be. But maybe like five ten

962
00:53:11.639 --> 00:53:13.920
years ago, I noticed like he just couldn't deliver on

963
00:53:14.039 --> 00:53:16.880
stage and like not talking, not talking shade on on

964
00:53:17.000 --> 00:53:17.840
Devil War's product.

965
00:53:17.840 --> 00:53:18.159
They got.

966
00:53:18.320 --> 00:53:21.039
Those guys earned their spot, you know, but like I

967
00:53:21.239 --> 00:53:23.960
definitely noticed he was getting like really gassed during the

968
00:53:24.719 --> 00:53:27.239
during the performances. It's like, man, I can't. I can't

969
00:53:27.440 --> 00:53:31.280
allow myself to You got to learn from other people,

970
00:53:31.400 --> 00:53:31.599
you know.

971
00:53:32.320 --> 00:53:35.840
No doubt, and it is a learned craft.

972
00:53:36.039 --> 00:53:38.280
Like people think that when you're doing the type of

973
00:53:38.360 --> 00:53:40.920
music you're doing that they just get up and scream.

974
00:53:41.039 --> 00:53:43.840
And like that's why I'm focusing on this because it

975
00:53:44.599 --> 00:53:49.480
did a lot of these really good singers could sing

976
00:53:50.079 --> 00:53:51.679
the mainstream.

977
00:53:51.119 --> 00:53:52.519
Stuff very well.

978
00:53:53.199 --> 00:53:56.880
Like you you take to Tatiana, you know, oh yeah,

979
00:53:57.320 --> 00:54:02.440
how she goes from that melodic voice to that brutal,

980
00:54:03.119 --> 00:54:06.199
you know, gral Like that's talent.

981
00:54:06.760 --> 00:54:09.400
Oh, it's so impressive. It is so impressive. I I

982
00:54:10.079 --> 00:54:13.199
the only reason I haven't started singing clean in the

983
00:54:13.320 --> 00:54:16.039
Raven Maker stuff is because I don't. I haven't reached

984
00:54:16.079 --> 00:54:19.519
that point yet where I can comfortably do that. And

985
00:54:19.599 --> 00:54:22.519
it's something I I'm I'm gonna have to challenge myself

986
00:54:22.599 --> 00:54:25.280
on eventually, because I do want that kind of accessibility

987
00:54:25.320 --> 00:54:27.760
in the Raven Macker stuff. But at the same time,

988
00:54:28.119 --> 00:54:30.000
when I when I put it on a recording. I

989
00:54:30.119 --> 00:54:32.280
need to make sure that it's good, you know, like

990
00:54:32.400 --> 00:54:34.639
I don't want to put out something half assed and

991
00:54:34.719 --> 00:54:37.039
then we go to play at midway through a set

992
00:54:37.079 --> 00:54:37.719
and they're just like.

993
00:54:39.519 --> 00:54:40.000
That, you know.

994
00:54:40.360 --> 00:54:40.599
Yeah.

995
00:54:42.000 --> 00:54:45.719
So it's it is so impressive that some of these vocalists,

996
00:54:45.800 --> 00:54:49.320
I mean, yeah, Tatia spearbox again, Courtney does it like

997
00:54:49.440 --> 00:54:52.280
flawlessly where she can just she can just swap tones

998
00:54:52.400 --> 00:54:52.559
like that.

999
00:54:53.039 --> 00:54:54.119
It blows my mind.

1000
00:54:54.280 --> 00:54:56.199
It's truly truly impressive, it really is.

1001
00:54:56.760 --> 00:54:59.000
I think people don't realize how hard it would be

1002
00:54:59.280 --> 00:55:02.079
also to swim geers like that, like on a dime,

1003
00:55:02.719 --> 00:55:02.920
you know.

1004
00:55:03.599 --> 00:55:05.320
Yeah, it's unbelievable.

1005
00:55:05.320 --> 00:55:08.639
Absolutely, And then you know, you mentioned like different people

1006
00:55:08.760 --> 00:55:12.920
like Slayer, uh my favorite old time ever band. But

1007
00:55:13.840 --> 00:55:16.960
Tom can't hit the notes that he hit back in

1008
00:55:17.039 --> 00:55:20.039
the early days, which means certain songs he'd never be

1009
00:55:20.119 --> 00:55:23.079
able to sing today, you know. You like you take

1010
00:55:23.400 --> 00:55:26.199
some of the older songs like like I Am the

1011
00:55:26.280 --> 00:55:29.480
any Christ, he never would be able to hit that

1012
00:55:29.800 --> 00:55:30.400
high note.

1013
00:55:30.760 --> 00:55:32.760
Yeah, you know, And.

1014
00:55:34.559 --> 00:55:37.239
That's why I always have a lot of respect for

1015
00:55:37.559 --> 00:55:42.320
people that can have that longevity doing it, you know, absolutely.

1016
00:55:42.440 --> 00:55:44.199
Yeah, And I think a lot of that comes with

1017
00:55:44.320 --> 00:55:46.679
age two, you know, like we're not you know a

1018
00:55:46.760 --> 00:55:49.119
lot of us like time stops for nobody, and you

1019
00:55:49.199 --> 00:55:52.920
know when when you know Metallica, they down tune their

1020
00:55:52.960 --> 00:55:55.519
stuff now just for ease of making sure that Hetfield

1021
00:55:55.559 --> 00:55:57.440
can sing it. But also at the same time, like

1022
00:55:57.559 --> 00:55:59.760
it's like, you know, they found a way to make

1023
00:55:59.800 --> 00:56:02.519
sure or that the fans still got that authentic experience,

1024
00:56:02.599 --> 00:56:04.599
whether it's tuning down like a half step or a

1025
00:56:04.639 --> 00:56:07.559
whole step, just to make sure that they can they

1026
00:56:07.639 --> 00:56:10.519
can get that in the key that they're in now,

1027
00:56:10.719 --> 00:56:13.880
you know. So I think I think, you know, in

1028
00:56:15.360 --> 00:56:18.079
in dealing with the aspect of time and having an

1029
00:56:18.079 --> 00:56:20.800
effect on your voice and your performance, being able to

1030
00:56:21.039 --> 00:56:23.239
account for that later on so the fans can get

1031
00:56:23.320 --> 00:56:25.840
that experiences, I think also part.

1032
00:56:25.719 --> 00:56:27.280
Of the game totally.

1033
00:56:27.800 --> 00:56:30.800
And it's so funny you mentioned Hetfield because I heard

1034
00:56:30.880 --> 00:56:34.559
him recently talking about how, you know, when they play

1035
00:56:35.119 --> 00:56:37.880
Seek and Destroy at the same at the at the

1036
00:56:39.079 --> 00:56:44.400
San Jose Games that uh, they're playing the old version.

1037
00:56:44.400 --> 00:56:46.880
He's like, why don't they play the version I do now?

1038
00:56:47.119 --> 00:56:50.119
Because I can sing now. I sucked back then and

1039
00:56:50.280 --> 00:56:52.159
me as an old school that was at in their

1040
00:56:52.199 --> 00:56:55.000
first show ever, Like I like his voice back then,

1041
00:56:55.760 --> 00:57:00.239
but I also as an adult understand if you're an artist, yeah,

1042
00:57:00.280 --> 00:57:03.320
you would want to progress. Like when he starts singing,

1043
00:57:03.400 --> 00:57:07.320
he didn't have training or anything, just sang, and now

1044
00:57:07.559 --> 00:57:11.480
he does have training, so you know, it's singing. It's different,

1045
00:57:12.239 --> 00:57:16.039
but it makes him happy, which would make everybody else

1046
00:57:16.079 --> 00:57:17.239
happy exactly.

1047
00:57:17.760 --> 00:57:20.880
Yeah, when an artist is feeling it on stage, everybody feels.

1048
00:57:20.639 --> 00:57:25.400
It, you know, exactly. So tell everybody how they would

1049
00:57:25.679 --> 00:57:26.280
reach out to you.

1050
00:57:26.360 --> 00:57:26.679
Guys.

1051
00:57:26.880 --> 00:57:31.400
Check out all your music, gigs, merch, all that good stuff.

1052
00:57:32.280 --> 00:57:32.519
Well.

1053
00:57:33.199 --> 00:57:36.880
As for our live shows, we we just booked our

1054
00:57:36.960 --> 00:57:39.440
first show with the Whiskey Go Go, so that'll be

1055
00:57:39.519 --> 00:57:41.960
a really cool place to start off our live career.

1056
00:57:43.519 --> 00:57:46.280
We're out here in the southern California area, so you

1057
00:57:46.360 --> 00:57:49.880
can catch us anywhere in the surrounding area Inland Empire,

1058
00:57:50.079 --> 00:57:53.480
Long Beach, Los Angeles proper. We're going to be around here.

1059
00:57:54.519 --> 00:57:56.679
As for our music, you can find us on any

1060
00:57:56.719 --> 00:58:01.480
and all streaming platforms that you may use. These are Spotify, iTunes, uh,

1061
00:58:03.079 --> 00:58:07.039
all of them. We're on YouTube, we're on TikTok, we're

1062
00:58:07.079 --> 00:58:10.320
on Instagram, Facebook, you just got to search Raven Maker

1063
00:58:10.679 --> 00:58:14.679
all one word, but uh, yeah, we're around, We're every day,

1064
00:58:14.679 --> 00:58:15.800
we're trying to get a little bigger.

1065
00:58:16.079 --> 00:58:19.320
So I love it. Yeah.

1066
00:58:19.719 --> 00:58:21.480
Aren't there any final words you want to leave the

1067
00:58:21.519 --> 00:58:23.239
listeners with that we haven't covered yet.

1068
00:58:24.159 --> 00:58:28.079
No, just a general thank you to everybody who's either

1069
00:58:28.239 --> 00:58:30.440
just finding out about us or who may have heard

1070
00:58:30.480 --> 00:58:35.039
of us through social media, our our our publicists. Thank

1071
00:58:35.119 --> 00:58:38.159
you Dean for having me on this, uh this wonderful

1072
00:58:38.199 --> 00:58:42.639
podcast and radio show. And uh, you know we're gonna

1073
00:58:42.639 --> 00:58:45.599
be releasing music steadily throughout the year. If the first

1074
00:58:45.679 --> 00:58:48.079
two songs didn't really appeal to you, maybe some of

1075
00:58:48.119 --> 00:58:50.639
the future stuff will. And if you like the first

1076
00:58:50.679 --> 00:58:53.119
two songs, well there's good news because we are more coming.

1077
00:58:53.400 --> 00:58:54.639
So I love it.

1078
00:58:55.119 --> 00:58:58.000
Well, you guys rock and everybody's got to check you out.

1079
00:58:58.159 --> 00:59:00.360
And thanks for being on the Avengers play Man.

1080
00:59:00.719 --> 00:59:03.719
Oh, thank you very much for having me my pleasure.

1081
00:59:04.400 --> 00:59:09.159
Thank you for listening to the Adventures of Pipemen on

1082
00:59:09.880 --> 00:59:12.559
w fur c u I Radio.