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Louder Than Life: How Prison, Punk Rock, and Surfing Shaped the CODEFENDANTS Band

Louder Than Life: How Prison, Punk Rock, and Surfing Shaped the CODEFENDANTS Band
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In this lively and wide-ranging episode, Pipeman sits down with CODEFENDANTS members Sam and Ceschi at Louder Than Life Festival. The conversation covers everything from wild tour stories and music industry insights, to candid discussions about immigration, skate culture, and the punk/metal scenes of past and present. The trio trades personal stories, explores the band's formation, discusses their relationship with Fat Mike, and reflects on the challenges they've faced within and beyond the music world.Main Topics Covered

  • Louder Than Life & Festival Experiences
    • Sweltering festival conditions and comparisons to other festivals such as Inkcarceration at Shawshank Prison.
  • Immigration and ICE Issues
    • Personal stories about bandmates impacted by ICE and U.S. immigration policy.
    • The band's multicultural background and roots in South Florida, Venezuelan, and Brazilian communities.
  • Wild Stories from the Road
    • Adventures (and mishaps) in Costa Rica and Nicaragua including surfing, skateboarding injuries, and unlikely instructor gigs.
    • Near-death experiences, including Pipeman's heart attacks while surfing.
  • Skateboarding & Surf Culture
    • Nostalgia for early skate and surf scenes.
    • Stories of draining pools to skate, skateboarding on highways, and working for Thrasher magazine.
  • Music, Band Origins & Fat Mike
    • How Sam, Ceschi, and Fat Mike connected and formed CODEFENDANTS.
    • Behind-the-scenes negotiations for development deals and career-saving legal help.
    • Evolution of punk identity, friendships across music genres, and the blending of cultures in modern scenes.
  • Reflections on Safety and Society
    • Commentary on feeling safer abroad versus in the U.S.
    • Jokes and serious moments regarding American societal challenges.
Key Discussions & Stories
  • Festival Heat and "Hotter Than Life"
    The guests joke about extreme heat at Louder Than Life (00:27), compare it to Vegas weather, and reminisce about previous blistering festivals.
  • Personal ICE Experiences
    Ceschi and Sam describe how the band was directly impacted by ICE with members deported or fearful of flying (02:46).
  • Skate/Surf Mishaps
    Sam confesses to being a surf instructor without knowing how to swim, and recounts skateboarding accidents in Costa Rica, including a DIY arm cast episode (04:19, 09:08).
  • Heart Attack Stories
    Pipeman shares harrowing tales of heart attacks while surfing in Hawaii and Costa Rica, contrasting medical care in the U.S. and abroad (07:11).
  • ‘80s Punk vs. Metalhead Divide
    Pipeman recalls dangerous tribalism between punks and metalheads in '80s California (14:37).
  • Band Formation & Fat Mike’s Role
    Sam and Ceschi detail their musical partnership, initial session guesting, Fat Mike’s deep involvement, and creative/financial support over legal trouble (24:07, 25:41).
  • Music and Skate Games
    Talk about curating music for a new surfing video game, inspired by the Tony Hawk Pro Skater series (17:53).
  • Community and Resourcefulness
    Examples of musicians supporting each other, the reality of struggling artists during COVID, and Fat Mike’s generosity vs. the opportunists (28:03).
Notable Quotes
  • "If we're playing fucking music, you shouldn't be fearing for your fucking freedom, bro." — Sam (03:22)
  • "I don't even know how to swim, and I was a surf instructor." — Sam (04:15)
  • "If you're stupid, I don't care who you are, if you're cocky and you go, I know, you don't know the lay of the land. You don't know what's under that water." — Pipeman (06:42)
  • "The jocks were bullying, beating the shit out of both the metalheads and the punkers. Why aren't we joining forces to fuck them up?" — Pipeman (16:45)
  • "What joined us was the iPod shuffle, right? …Once they started, like, making CDs where you could make mixes and shit, people were like, oh, fuck." — Sam (16:54)
  • "From the beginning, me and this guy were like, we don't want you to be the Fat Records guy paying for this band. We want you to be in a band where you don't pay for shit. Just be in the band, motherfucker." — Sam (28:57)
  • "People ask all the time, what's the scariest place on earth you've ever been? Fucking America." — Sam (29:58)
Resources & Links Mentioned
  • Bands/Albums
    • Get Dead (Sam’s punk band, Fat Records)
    • CODEFENDANTS
    • Fat Mike (NOFX, Fat Records)
    • Chesky (solo projects, collaborations)
  • Festivals
    • Louder Than Life
    • Incarceration at Shawshank Prison
  • Locations
    • Gilman Street, Berkeley
    • South Florida, Las Vegas, Bay Area, Puerto Rico, Costa Rica, Nicaragua, Hollywood, Agoura, Santa Teresa, San Francisco
  • Other Mentions
    • Thrasher (Skateboard Magazine)
    • Tony Hawk Pro Skater (video game reference)
    • TNC Surf Designs (classic Nintendo surf game)
    • LaCroix, Coca-Cola (personal anecdotes)


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Hey, you're listening to The Adventure. And I'm Pudlin.

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On W4CY Radio. This is the Pipe Man here on

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The Adventure's Pipe Man W4CY Radio. And I'm here with...

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The co-defendants. My name's Sam.

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My name's Chesky.

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Yes. Very excited that you're here at Louder Than Life.

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Or as I'm calling it now, hotter than life. We're

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changing the name. Hotter than hell? Oh, my God. I

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live in South Florida. I can't wait to get home

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to cool off.

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We live in Las Vegas. And I'm like, I don't

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care about the dry or wet heat.

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This is different.

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Oh, right.

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Exactly.

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If it was this temperature in Vegas, it would be

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a cool day. Right?

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Exactly. And it seems like it's been a pattern for

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me because I was at Incarceration, Ohio. Super freaking hotter

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than Florida. It's called incarceration?

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Yeah, yeah.

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You know about it?

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No.

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It's another Wimmer Festival, and it's at the Shawshank Prison, man.

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We should be on that show.

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Yeah, this guy just got out of prison, so he should.

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Yeah. Yeah. I go in there, and I go lay

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on the cot in the prison cell, take a selfie.

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pretend to sit on the toilet, you know, just raised

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a little.

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Any women in the future, co-defendants belongs at incarceration.

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Absolutely.

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I mean, we got out, but we're still down to

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go return for the festival.

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Trump's about to open up Alcatraz. We're from the Bay Area.

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We live in Vegas now, but they're talking about opening

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up Alcatraz.

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I've heard about that. Shut the fuck up. Like, what

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is wrong? Well, listen, he's ruining the Everglades because he

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opened that Alligator Alcatraz. His uncle is a... What's your

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uncle do?

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My uncle is the supervisor of the Everglades.

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Oh, really?

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It's Pedro Ramos.

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Wow.

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And he's had to deal with all this. It's crazy.

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You know what's fucked up about that whole situation, too? Like,

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besides everything, okay? But right near us on Palm Beach Island,

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there's this restaurant, Piche. Like, everybody knows about it. Famous

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chef who is Hispanic. He got picked up from fucking

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ICE a while back and put into Alligator Alcatraz. The

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only way he got out was because the whole town

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of Palm Beach and Trump wants their money. They made

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a big fucking stink and he got out.

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Our whole band has been affected by this whole ICE situation.

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They had multiple bandmates going through the process of ICE.

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One deported. Back to Venezuela.

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So most of our bandmates actually lived in South Florida

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or from Venezuelan and Brazilian descent.

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It's fucked up, man.

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And two of them.

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The brothers, they were living out in Hollywood, Florida. And

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our brother, Danny, who still can't be over here yet.

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Because Chino, our drummer, just got okayed to fly.

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Because he wouldn't fly out of Florida. I don't blame him.

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If we're playing fucking music, you shouldn't be fearing for

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your freedom, bro.

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So stay where the fuck you're at. It's so lame.

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But our friend, Danny, he ran a vegan fucking restaurant.

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In fucking Hollywood, him and his brother Wanchy had been

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talking to the fucking passport trying to get their citizenship

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for like six years. They both spent like 15 to

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20 racks trying to do it. And then Trump came

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in and just derailed their whole system. And they did

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that shit where they're like, hey, deport yourself and you

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might be able to come back.

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I go to Costa Rica. I go to Mexico. I

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used to live in Costa Rica. Where at? Oh, well,

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I've been all over. My favorite is Nosara.

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Yeah, I worked at a surf camp in Malpais when

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I first got divorced. Nice. And then I went over

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to Nicaragua for a minute because Nicky had to do

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the passport run.

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I went to Nicaragua. The surfing's a little brutal there.

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I don't even know how to swim and I was

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a surf instructor.

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Really?

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I swear to God. I would just tell them that

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there was a surf... I worked at a surf camp

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that these Germans and Swedes owned And so I got divorced.

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I knew the guys and they told me to come out.

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I'm like, yeah.

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And one of the guys didn't show up. So they

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put me as a surf instructor in the morning. I

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was just cooking food and shit. I was like, I

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can do this. And I would just make him jump

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up like point. But I've never surfed in my fucking life.

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I don't even swim. I almost drowned as a kid.

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I hate it. When I get in water, I get

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like cramps and shit. Wow. I'm like terrified of it. Wow.

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I barely fucking shower.

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I swear to God.

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I don't even drink water. It gives me indigestion.

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Really? I wake up and I drink Coca-Cola or fucking...

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And the Coca-Cola doesn't give you indigestion, but the water does. No, well,

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me and him live.

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Together, so, like, he just had his kids, so he's

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been off with, like, and, like, you know, raising the

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seed now in another house, but he still has, like,

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his LaCroix's in the fridge, and I'll go in there, I'll, like, hungover,

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and I still think he's in his room, and I'll

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be in his fridge, and I'll... But, yeah, no, it's

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fucked up. But I would make these people jump up

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on the board because they would show up at nighttime. And,

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you know, you can judge people. You know, you do

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this for a living. You can kind of tell people's barometer.

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Yeah.

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I'd be like, if you're a fucking dick, when I

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wake you up at 7 in the morning, you're going

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to be jumping up on that board.

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So you're not going to be able to paddle out

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to the wave.

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Right. But if you're cool, like the second time you

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jumped up, I'd be like, look, I'm hungover.

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I had a whole spiel.

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I'm hungover.

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I don't got time for this shit, you guys. You

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guys obviously are fucking surfers.

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Right.

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And if you're not, you're a natural that I've never seen.

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Right.

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And I'd push him in a little white water up

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to my knees, and then I'd be able to do

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that out there.

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And don't breathe when you go underwater. You'll be good.

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Yeah, there you go.

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I still get emails from people.

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This is like 15 years ago. I still get emails

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from people like, we're in Bali.

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We're surfing. Me and my wife. Thank you so much.

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Nice.

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I'm like, shit, I lied to you, man. That's so cool.

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And I have surfed in Bali. And I have gone

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out with instructors. Because when I go somewhere new that

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I don't know. I'll go out with an instructor because

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they know the lay of the land. They know where

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to rock.

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Well, you know that there's a fucking reef right there or.

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Don't go over it. Stay to the left. I was

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in Rincon, Puerto Rico and I went out with some

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chick and literally she goes, where like that table is there,

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she goes, if you start drifting towards there, you better

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paddle as hard as you can away from it. You know,

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or you will die. Yeah, it'll smash you. So if

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you're stupid, I don't care who you are. If you're talking,

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you go, I know. You don't know the lay of land.

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You don't know what's under that water.

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You don't go to those waterfalls and just go jump

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the fuck off. You better jump off to the left.

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Because there's a rock right there.

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Under the right.

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You know, we've seen it. I've seen a compound fracture

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in the jungle. A fucking bone sticking out of a leg.

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Helicopters are not going to be deployed out there.

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No.

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You're going to go down a bumpy fucking road that's

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washed out on the back of a fucking four-wheeler if

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you're lucky.

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I've had an experience, and I love Costa Rica because

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of this experience. So, I had a major, I had

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a minor, minor heart attack surfing in Hawaii.

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Really?

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But then the Hawaiian typical American health care doctors fucked

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me up and charged me $ 400, 000 to almost kill me

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because after my year of recovery, I celebrated. I went

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to Costa Rica, and I was on top of a

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10-foot wave, and I had a massive heart attack. Shut

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the fuck up. So when the ambulance came, which took

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a while... What do you mean the ambulance came? Hold on.

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It was basically... You're hanging tense, sir.

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Okay?

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There you are, toes on the nose, having a beautiful

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Puro Vida moment.

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Right.

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And then you just go... Oh, it was like... How

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do you know? The only thing... How did I know?

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I didn't know the first time. The second time, it

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was the most crushing pain I ever felt in my life.

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In your chest? In my chest, my arms. And I

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just remember saying, oh, fuck, not again. But you surfed in.

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I surfed in. Shut up. That's a legend. And then

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a bunch of Ticos and Ticas ran over and helped me.

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If I was in Florida, they would have just stepped

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on my ass.

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We got another white man having a heart attack.

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And they called the ambulance. When the ambulance finally did

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show up, it was not much bigger than a tuk-tuk. Okay. Oh, yeah.

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And they only had the thing to put on your finger.

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That was their... Oh, yeah. Yeah, he's having a heart attack.

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And like you said, you're going through the dirt roads, bumping.

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I did that same experience, but I was on this

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couple that lived up in the jungle. This Tico couple

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had built a slab of concrete like this with an

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overhang and a fucking vert ramp. And then on the

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right side of the vert ramp was like their kitchen bathroom.

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And on the left side was their bedroom.

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Right.

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And they had like an acre of jungle. They got

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for like seven grand or something.

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Right.

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And so I'm skating there and I break my arm.

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This is how I got fired from that surf camp.

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One of the instructors had a girl coming in and

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it was like very advantageous for him.

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To be like, well, you can't. So whatever. I was cool, bro.

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So I had a broken arm and I had to

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get on the back of a fucking like a Honda

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250 and Through the jungle down there and I've got

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like this fucking, it ended up being just like three

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fractures in my fucking forearm. But the whole way it

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felt like my arm was just like flopping. They took

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me to, there was no hospital in Santa Teresa.

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I've been there too. They have a vet. Yeah.

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So they took me to the vet office and they

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put me in a concrete room and they fucking, they

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all left the room.

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And they like jogged out this motherfucker.

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And I just had my, and I started thinking, I

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was like, aren't we supposed to be wearing lead?

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Or something, you know?

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And then they hit the button, and I felt it

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in my body. Like, it went, and I was all, oh,

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that ain't good.

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Oh, shit. That ain't good.

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And then the guy was like, yeah, you got three

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fucking fractures in your arm. He's all, so you can

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go to San Jose, and they're going to run your

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ass because you're a fucking white boy out here with

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a broken arm, and they're going to get you for

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probably a couple grand.

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He's all, or.

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You could be a fucking grown man and go to

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the franteria and go get yourself some plaster of Paris

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and just fucking solidify that arm. So I'm like sitting

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there drunk on fucking Florida, Konya, like dipping these fucking

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bandages in like this fucking, you know, modge podge wrapping

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my arm, you know?

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And it was like the worst rap ever.

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And, Wow.

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I don't know, man. See, I have a better experience there. Okay? Wait, wait, wait.

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But we've got to get back to the heart attacks.

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They take you in.

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That's what I'm saying. What do they do for a

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heart attack? Well, what they did in Hawaii is they

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put a stent in. But they fucked up and misplaced

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the stent. So during that year of recovery, it was

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floating out into my main artery. And by the time

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I hit that wave, it had healed over. And my

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main artery was 100% blocked. And.

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Like, it was everything you could imagine. Like, the other

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one wasn't. This was like everything you see on TV.

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But what happened next.

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Was so great.

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Was this the left arm or the right arm?

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Left.

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Cause I have like anxiety problems, but like I figured

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out there were panic attacks and I feel like my

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fucking arms, and then it starts getting worse.

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Cause you're like, well, which arm is it?

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Yeah.

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Why is this extremity going now? But you're just like,

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you know, I just, but you know, it's a heart

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attack when it happens.

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I felt, yeah. And you have your own symptoms. Like

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now that I've had it twice, I know signs that

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it's a heart attack.

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I got to kick back on this blow right now. Right.

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Exactly.

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Yes.

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You know, which is funny. I was doing an interview

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at Vakin a couple months ago. And I won't say

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who it was, but one very famous punk and one

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very famous metalhead have joined forces, old school, like older

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than me.

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Okay.

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And after an interview, they were hitting bumps, and I

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was like, I haven't seen this since I was in L.A.

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in the 80s, okay? It was like total L.A. 80s shit.

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We moved to L.A.

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With Fat Mike, and we were fucking living there for

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a minute. We were doing a podcast with him. That's

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why I moved from San Jose before me and him

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moved to Las Vegas. And it was the same thing, man.

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And I don't give a fuck. It was Fat Mike.

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Right?

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You know what I mean?

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It was like in the morning time. This dude's doing

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fucking beepers out by the pool.

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Well, he's got like.

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A fucking vinyl mask on and a straw coming up

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out of the pool.

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And he's like underwater. What is that?

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Dominatrix has a fucking heel on his head. I'd have

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a talk with one of these dominatrix that live with us.

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I was like, I get drunk and I'll say some

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dumb shit and get myself into a situation where But

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the day before, I was painting his house, and this

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guy runs out of his house because he has a

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working dominatrix hair.

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Squeaky.

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And she was fucking known to be brutal. She's like

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this big, but she worked at the ER in LA.

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And then she would go to like different major cities

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to work in the ER. Into triages and shit. And

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this dude runs out. He's got a fucking thread needle

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out of his fucking lip. And both his hands, like

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praying hands, are sewn shut. And I brought my friend

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from San Jose helping me paint. We're painting fucking Fat

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Mike's house Neapolitan.

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Okay?

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And this guy runs out and he looks at my

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buddy from San Jose and goes, Pop!

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Help!

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And my buddy looks down and looks at me, looks

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at him and goes, we can't help you. And so

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I saw that and I told this girl that night

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around the fire pit, you know, I'm like, look, I

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do dumb shit, but I swear to God, if I

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ever wake up fucking with needles and shit in me,

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I will fight you like a man. You know, I

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was so scared that was going to happen. Like, Fat

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Mike was going to get me, like, hopped up on vodka.

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Oh, my God. And the next thing you know, here

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comes the glove, you know? Oh, my God. It was

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a wild time. Hollywood was a wild fucking time. Hey, listen.

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I was born in New York, grew up in Jersey,

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and my... Connecticut. I was 12 years old. My dad

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comes to me and goes... meet your new mother, pack

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your bags, we're moving to California in three days, you

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can't tell a living soul. I was pissed. But now,

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we wouldn't be sitting here if that didn't happen because...

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What year was that?

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1980.

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The beginning of fucking L.A., basically.

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100%. I saw the whole decline of Western civilization. Listen,

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let me tell you something. I Oh, let me tell

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you something. I was a long hair. Long hairs couldn't

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go to punk shows. Punks couldn't go to metal shows.

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I remember one time I went to a suicide show

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before they crossed over. Before they crossed over. And the

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suey boys are in the fucking circle pit with switchblades.

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Oh, yeah.

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I'm out.

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They were like a full-on gang, right?

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Oh yeah, they were originally a gang. Suicidals. And then

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I remember... like gang members scene. Well, Suicide was a

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Venice gang.

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Yeah, it was a gang.

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Yeah, totally. And then, and then I remember Posers on

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Melrose was the place to get your spikes, but you

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couldn't go there if you were a metalhead or long

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hair because it was owned by punks and they didn't

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allow it. So I had my punk friends. I'm like,

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do me a favor, take me a poser so we

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could go. They knew the owners. I figured it was,

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I was in. We go in there. We're not even

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there 30 seconds and, And my friend comes over to

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me and goes, we need to leave. And I'm like, yeah,

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what do you mean? I'll tell you outside, we need

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to leave right now. We go outside and like, the

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owner said, hey, we're doing you a courtesy because you're

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our friends. Get the fucking long hair out of here

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or we're going to beat the piss out of them.

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And all I wanted to do was spend my money

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at the store.

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Geez.

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Well, I mean, I was born in 81. So by

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the time the 90s came, I was a skateboarder. But

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the early 90s, there was only two skateboarders at my school.

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And that's why I tell people I was a skateboarder

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when it was called Hey Faggot. And a bottle would

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come out of a fucking car and hit you in

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the fucking head or like on some shit. And then

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you would like throw something at them and that truck

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would stop. And they would get out and beat the

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fucking brakes off you. So we had to deal with

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the cowboys. We had to deal with the gang members.

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And we had to deal with jocks. So it was

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like there were three of us in the town.

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It was a.

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That's why I always thought it was stupid. Like the

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jocks were bullying and beating the shit out of both

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the metalheads and the punkers. Why aren't we joining forces

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to fuck them up? Well, you know what joined us? Forces, right?

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It was the fucking iPod shuffle.

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Right.

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And I'll tell you why, because back in the day,

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like it used to be like, there's the jocks, there's

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the metal heads, there's the burnouts, there's the fucking preppies.

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The Hessians.

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And you, if you were a Hessian, you didn't listen

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to fucking Dwight Yoakam.

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Right.

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You know, you didn't fuck around with fucking some fucking

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like electro fucking French fucking house music.

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Cause it's got a good groove. Like you listen to

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your shit.

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Once they started like making CDs where you could make

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mixes and shit, people were like, oh fuck you know

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what's this GBH shit what's this right right and I

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had the thing because I was a skateboarder so we

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had the.

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Fucking videos by the way yes we.

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Had you know when fucking Bones Brigade came out fucking

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411 that's how I got all of my music shit

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I was listening to Jawbreaker Wu-Tang Clan fucking everything across

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the board that was tight you know like right now

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I can't really talk too much about it but like

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I'm helping score this shit for a video game that

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they're doing. And they've got, like, all the rights for it. So,

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you know, they made Tony Hawk Pro Skater.

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Yeah, yeah.

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They're doing that with surfing. Nice. And so, but they

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started showing me, like, the shit. Because I just want

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to score a movie. That's all I want to do.

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Love it. So, I got to start here, you know, whatever.

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But they were showing me this shit. And I'm like.

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Besides skateboarders, I think that surfers probably have more of

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a musical palette.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah. You know what I mean?

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Like, they're a little more in tune with, like, different shit. Well,

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especially you got the old school OC punk, man.

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Yeah, man. Like, I do those festivals there on the beach.

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I'm like, they should do a festival where you're, like, surfing.

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While the bands are playing.

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I mean, we do it with fucking Warped Tour with, like,

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the skating and the FMX and all that.

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Yeah, exactly.

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Think about the last surf video game there was. TNC Sport.

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Right.

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Nintendo.

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Like, nobody stopped to do, like, a Kelly Slater.

443
00:18:42.410 --> 00:18:43.670
Fucking pro skater. I know, right.

444
00:18:44.210 --> 00:18:46.369
So, these guys are on it. And hopefully, you know.

445
00:18:46.710 --> 00:18:47.049
Nice.

446
00:18:47.289 --> 00:18:51.210
I love that. I remember, too, like, I lived in Agora.

447
00:18:52.089 --> 00:18:55.230
And you couldn't get to the valley from Agora anywhere.

448
00:18:56.730 --> 00:19:00.589
Other than by car or walking. I used to ride

449
00:19:00.670 --> 00:19:04.470
my skateboard on the shoulder of the 101 and it

450
00:19:04.509 --> 00:19:06.279
would go down the fucking hill.

451
00:19:06.519 --> 00:19:08.819
I used to run across a 101 at night to

452
00:19:08.839 --> 00:19:11.359
get to my girlfriend's house when I was 12 and

453
00:19:11.400 --> 00:19:13.640
have sex on a fucking dirty pile of laundry.

454
00:19:13.660 --> 00:19:14.880
Oh, there you go.

455
00:19:15.700 --> 00:19:18.059
Her brother's name was Buddy Maxey and we called him

456
00:19:18.099 --> 00:19:18.819
Bloody Maxey.

457
00:19:19.920 --> 00:19:20.339
Oh, man.

458
00:19:20.380 --> 00:19:23.390
What's up, Crystal? I would be keeping up with the traffic, too,

459
00:19:23.450 --> 00:19:26.230
because the fucking hill was so steep coming down into

460
00:19:26.259 --> 00:19:27.759
the valley. Was that the one they used in thrashing?

461
00:19:28.609 --> 00:19:29.529
I don't know.

462
00:19:29.549 --> 00:19:32.250
You know that movie Thrashing with Josh Brolin?

463
00:19:32.390 --> 00:19:32.589
Yeah.

464
00:19:32.609 --> 00:19:34.529
They have the L.A. Massacre, the downhill.

465
00:19:35.170 --> 00:19:35.390
Maybe.

466
00:19:35.470 --> 00:19:38.970
Is that the hill coming down from the 101? Because

467
00:19:38.990 --> 00:19:41.950
I lived off the 101 my whole life. Sam Martin's

468
00:19:41.990 --> 00:19:42.230
on the 101.

469
00:19:42.230 --> 00:19:42.970
Nice.

470
00:19:43.609 --> 00:19:47.009
But yeah, same shit, bro. Skating down the freeway is

471
00:19:47.049 --> 00:19:47.509
some shit.

472
00:19:47.890 --> 00:19:51.339
No doubt. And the Borg shape. because I'm, like, going, like,

473
00:19:51.339 --> 00:19:54.640
60 miles per hour because it's so steep. Or, like, 35.

474
00:19:54.619 --> 00:19:54.900
It's cool.

475
00:19:55.160 --> 00:19:56.579
Well, I was keeping up with the cars. I used

476
00:19:56.599 --> 00:19:58.589
to work for Thrasher. I lived in San Francisco.

477
00:19:59.369 --> 00:20:01.930
The fastest I've ever gone was about 42 miles an hour,

478
00:20:02.029 --> 00:20:03.049
and that was fucking crazy.

479
00:20:03.750 --> 00:20:07.970
Yeah, it's light speed. No doubt. Scary. You don't... Because

480
00:20:08.009 --> 00:20:09.970
you're just going like this all the time. You're no

481
00:20:09.990 --> 00:20:12.859
foot down. Yeah. You're going, and you're either going to

482
00:20:12.950 --> 00:20:15.559
die or you'll make it. Exactly. On the 101, a

483
00:20:15.619 --> 00:20:16.420
little more sketch.

484
00:20:16.539 --> 00:20:16.779
Yeah.

485
00:20:16.799 --> 00:20:19.200
A couple pebbles. I remember also, like.

486
00:20:21.160 --> 00:20:24.170
We didn't have the bowls then So you just jumped

487
00:20:24.230 --> 00:20:26.849
off a pool Off the roof of the house Into

488
00:20:26.890 --> 00:20:31.190
the pool without water in it You know I'm about.

489
00:20:31.049 --> 00:20:32.650
To drain our pool I just bought a house in

490
00:20:32.690 --> 00:20:36.430
Las Vegas And we fired our pool guy Or the

491
00:20:36.450 --> 00:20:39.000
pool guy quit or something And I'm like I'll do

492
00:20:39.039 --> 00:20:42.400
this shit And I'll be out there all day I'll

493
00:20:42.420 --> 00:20:45.619
make this fucker just pristine by night time We go

494
00:20:45.680 --> 00:20:47.980
on tour I come back two days later this fucker's algae.

495
00:20:48.650 --> 00:20:49.890
And I'm like, oh.

496
00:20:50.230 --> 00:20:53.440
But you can't drain your pool during the summer in Vegas.

497
00:20:53.920 --> 00:20:56.319
Because the fucking wind and the sun is so intense,

498
00:20:56.720 --> 00:20:59.039
it'll chip your concrete all the way up. Yeah, it'll

499
00:20:59.059 --> 00:21:00.799
fuck it up. But now it's going to be winter,

500
00:21:00.819 --> 00:21:02.349
so I'm going to drain it for the first time

501
00:21:02.390 --> 00:21:02.730
this year.

502
00:21:02.750 --> 00:21:03.210
Nice.

503
00:21:03.250 --> 00:21:05.509
And see if we can skate it. Because it's about

504
00:21:05.589 --> 00:21:06.349
six and a half feet.

505
00:21:06.690 --> 00:21:06.970
Yeah.

506
00:21:07.190 --> 00:21:08.509
And I cleaned it so I could feel the training.

507
00:21:08.529 --> 00:21:10.849
That was our pools back then. Pools. Yeah, boom. We

508
00:21:10.869 --> 00:21:14.190
had the pools. We would sneak in people's backyards. Yeah.

509
00:21:14.210 --> 00:21:15.309
Killing their fucking pools.

510
00:21:15.490 --> 00:21:17.950
I've been, many times I've been on bucket brigade at

511
00:21:18.029 --> 00:21:20.269
six in the morning where we went and fucking found

512
00:21:20.309 --> 00:21:23.589
a pool, showed up, sitting there bucketing it out, and

513
00:21:23.609 --> 00:21:26.690
the homeowner comes. You know, they're like redoing their house.

514
00:21:27.190 --> 00:21:28.970
And I've been sitting there with like Pete the Ox

515
00:21:29.430 --> 00:21:32.099
watching the shit pump. And the homeowners will show up,

516
00:21:32.140 --> 00:21:35.500
and we'll be like, oh, yeah, look at the construction shit. But, yeah,

517
00:21:35.519 --> 00:21:38.519
we work for WebCorp. The city called us. You can't

518
00:21:38.539 --> 00:21:40.099
have water in the pool if you don't live here.

519
00:21:40.700 --> 00:21:41.559
It's an insurance thing.

520
00:21:41.579 --> 00:21:42.559
And they're like, okay, okay.

521
00:21:42.900 --> 00:21:44.799
They'll drive off. I'm like, well, get the fuck out

522
00:21:44.819 --> 00:21:47.529
of here right now. We're, like, dumping water into their

523
00:21:47.589 --> 00:21:48.369
new foundation.

524
00:21:49.670 --> 00:21:50.109
Wow.

525
00:21:50.130 --> 00:21:53.750
Some of my best memories is from, like, 6 in

526
00:21:53.789 --> 00:21:58.339
the morning with my boys, like, Bucket Brigade. Out of pool,

527
00:21:58.380 --> 00:22:00.759
you know? Like, sprinkling kitty litter and shit.

528
00:22:00.839 --> 00:22:02.670
Have you been on a surfskate yet?

529
00:22:03.170 --> 00:22:03.390
No.

530
00:22:03.670 --> 00:22:06.650
Okay. So, I have, like, my longboard. And I also

531
00:22:06.690 --> 00:22:10.170
have this... It's a... What is it called? Like a

532
00:22:10.490 --> 00:22:13.569
kawaii stick or something? Yeah, it's like a fucking paddleboard.

533
00:22:13.630 --> 00:22:17.059
Like your paddleboard. Full body workout. I have my trickboard.

534
00:22:17.480 --> 00:22:19.799
And now I have a surfskate. I love how they

535
00:22:19.819 --> 00:22:20.880
call it a trickboard now.

536
00:22:21.180 --> 00:22:21.460
Right?

537
00:22:21.480 --> 00:22:23.940
It's a skateboard. It was just a skateboard. But now

538
00:22:23.960 --> 00:22:28.440
you have to differentiate, you know? And... But the surfskate,

539
00:22:28.539 --> 00:22:32.480
it's made so you can practice surfing on land, and

540
00:22:32.529 --> 00:22:35.069
the trucks, they bend all the way down. Yeah, it's

541
00:22:35.150 --> 00:22:35.509
got that.

542
00:22:36.269 --> 00:22:36.549
Yeah.

543
00:22:37.309 --> 00:22:41.769
So I've never, ever worn pads or a helmet in

544
00:22:41.809 --> 00:22:46.359
my life, and I took my surfskate out the first time,

545
00:22:46.380 --> 00:22:48.420
and I ate shit.

546
00:22:48.940 --> 00:22:49.990
How old were you? How old were you?

547
00:22:50.730 --> 00:22:55.230
A couple years ago. Okay, yeah, so that shit hurt. Yeah, exactly.

548
00:22:55.430 --> 00:23:00.680
So I called up my daughter, and I was like... Yeah,

549
00:23:00.880 --> 00:23:03.599
I think I might want to get a helmet and pads.

550
00:23:04.160 --> 00:23:06.519
I fucking told you, old man. Right?

551
00:23:06.759 --> 00:23:09.460
I used to work for Thrasher Skateboard Magazine in San Francisco.

552
00:23:09.859 --> 00:23:12.400
I remember that magazine. Yeah, it's still going. Rest in peace,

553
00:23:12.440 --> 00:23:13.009
Jake Phelps.

554
00:23:13.660 --> 00:23:15.549
But we went on a couple of pool trips like

555
00:23:15.569 --> 00:23:16.970
that where we'd be skating pools.

556
00:23:17.029 --> 00:23:17.849
I never wore pads.

557
00:23:18.529 --> 00:23:21.109
And I went up to go over the death box

558
00:23:21.250 --> 00:23:23.809
and I went back and I cracked my head. Didn't

559
00:23:23.849 --> 00:23:26.089
even remember cracking it, and I just walked out into

560
00:23:26.109 --> 00:23:29.670
this field of nothingness, and they just said that I

561
00:23:29.710 --> 00:23:33.579
dropped my pants to my ankles, just started pissing and puking.

562
00:23:34.240 --> 00:23:34.640
Wow.

563
00:23:35.759 --> 00:23:38.359
And I woke up at my house two days later

564
00:23:38.380 --> 00:23:40.000
to kind of like, are.

565
00:23:39.920 --> 00:23:41.400
We going to go skate today? They're like, bro, you

566
00:23:41.420 --> 00:23:44.119
already did. Wow. I was like, okay.

567
00:23:44.380 --> 00:23:46.039
That was when I started being like, maybe I should

568
00:23:46.079 --> 00:23:47.140
kind of focus on music.

569
00:23:48.089 --> 00:23:51.410
Speaking of music, maybe... Fuck all that shit. You got

570
00:23:51.450 --> 00:23:54.579
enough music, bro. Yeah, since we already have gone over time,

571
00:23:54.619 --> 00:23:58.160
maybe we should say something about the co-defendants. Yeah, we're

572
00:23:58.180 --> 00:23:58.619
in a band.

573
00:23:58.680 --> 00:24:02.829
Yeah, we're called the co-defendants. I was in a band.

574
00:24:02.910 --> 00:24:06.190
I'm in a punk band called Get Dead. that was

575
00:24:06.250 --> 00:24:09.950
on Fat Records and Fat Mike produced our albums and

576
00:24:09.970 --> 00:24:12.910
then I had met Chesky at Gilman Street in Berkeley

577
00:24:13.410 --> 00:24:15.410
and he was playing and when he was in prison

578
00:24:15.779 --> 00:24:18.119
the tattoo shop I worked at one of the guys

579
00:24:18.160 --> 00:24:20.779
was a big Chesky fan and we did flash art

580
00:24:21.140 --> 00:24:23.599
to put money on his books So when he got out,

581
00:24:23.619 --> 00:24:25.279
I went and saw him. And the first time I

582
00:24:25.339 --> 00:24:26.460
saw him, I was like, I got to make music

583
00:24:26.500 --> 00:24:26.980
with this dude.

584
00:24:27.440 --> 00:24:27.779
Nice.

585
00:24:27.880 --> 00:24:30.009
And so I hit him up. He came to Cali.

586
00:24:30.069 --> 00:24:30.750
I wrote a song.

587
00:24:31.210 --> 00:24:33.109
And then he just never left. And we've lived together

588
00:24:33.150 --> 00:24:34.049
for the past four years.

589
00:24:34.450 --> 00:24:36.049
Nice. I love it.

590
00:24:36.529 --> 00:24:39.200
Here we are, Louder Than Life. And how did it.

591
00:24:39.519 --> 00:24:41.099
All hook up with Fat Mike?

592
00:24:41.500 --> 00:24:45.700
Well, he was actually painting Fat Mike's house that same

593
00:24:45.740 --> 00:24:48.839
time that he was talking about. And he had already

594
00:24:48.960 --> 00:24:51.809
organized a studio session with me to guest on a

595
00:24:52.089 --> 00:24:54.890
Get Dead song. And I loved Get Dead's album, Dancing

596
00:24:54.910 --> 00:24:55.349
With The Curse.

597
00:24:55.410 --> 00:24:57.630
I was like, hell yeah. I flew from Puerto Rico,

598
00:24:57.650 --> 00:25:02.589
where my family's from. I was with my father in

599
00:25:02.690 --> 00:25:05.579
Puerto Rico. They live in San Juan. My grandmother passed

600
00:25:05.619 --> 00:25:07.940
away now, but I flew straight from there to L.A.

601
00:25:07.960 --> 00:25:08.259
Sorry.

602
00:25:09.019 --> 00:25:11.460
And we had the session.

603
00:25:12.079 --> 00:25:14.299
But he wasn't, I don't know where you were, but

604
00:25:14.319 --> 00:25:16.519
he was like, go to Fat Mike's. I get there

605
00:25:16.539 --> 00:25:18.440
and I'm just like, hey, let me into the pool.

606
00:25:18.700 --> 00:25:22.559
Fat Mike's there in like a dress, like a latex dress.

607
00:25:22.619 --> 00:25:25.619
And I was like, hey, I'm Chesky. He's like, I

608
00:25:25.680 --> 00:25:28.019
know who you are. And it just became a friendship

609
00:25:28.339 --> 00:25:28.900
ever since.

610
00:25:29.220 --> 00:25:29.380
Nice.

611
00:25:29.480 --> 00:25:33.019
And we recorded without him for the first four or

612
00:25:33.039 --> 00:25:35.079
five songs. And then we were hanging out at his

613
00:25:35.099 --> 00:25:38.509
house a lot. played the demos, and he was like, stop,

614
00:25:38.750 --> 00:25:39.569
I want to be involved.

615
00:25:40.009 --> 00:25:40.470
Nice.

616
00:25:40.789 --> 00:25:43.210
He wanted to put it out originally and produce it,

617
00:25:44.230 --> 00:25:46.640
but then he was so involved.

618
00:25:48.259 --> 00:25:49.579
Yeah, he caught a case.

619
00:25:51.539 --> 00:25:54.680
At first, we were like, we don't necessarily want to

620
00:25:54.700 --> 00:25:55.960
be on Fat, whatever.

621
00:25:56.500 --> 00:26:00.430
We want to do something different. He loved the demos,

622
00:26:01.230 --> 00:26:03.039
and he had caught a court case, and we talked....

623
00:26:04.200 --> 00:26:07.160
We talked, and I said, you know, if Mike pays

624
00:26:07.180 --> 00:26:10.000
for your lawyers and gets you out of prison in

625
00:26:10.039 --> 00:26:12.819
this case, and, you know, takes care of us, let's

626
00:26:12.839 --> 00:26:13.160
do this.

627
00:26:13.180 --> 00:26:13.819
Nice.

628
00:26:13.839 --> 00:26:16.660
That Mike just said immediately. He said yes.

629
00:26:17.549 --> 00:26:19.569
That Mike immediately, I was like, okay, well, because he

630
00:26:19.609 --> 00:26:21.869
offered us his money, and, like, Chesky's all, let's go

631
00:26:21.890 --> 00:26:22.309
take a walk.

632
00:26:22.329 --> 00:26:23.730
We walked around his pool a couple times.

633
00:26:24.170 --> 00:26:26.789
Chesky's like, ask him to pay for the fucking lawyers,

634
00:26:27.630 --> 00:26:29.089
and tell him we don't want to fucking.

635
00:26:31.890 --> 00:26:32.279
What was it?

636
00:26:32.299 --> 00:26:36.420
It wasn't an advance. A development deal. And then he

637
00:26:36.440 --> 00:26:38.059
had to explain that we were walking around the pool again.

638
00:26:38.079 --> 00:26:39.720
He's like, develop means they got to pay us some

639
00:26:39.740 --> 00:26:41.960
money to keep doing it. Advance means we got to

640
00:26:41.980 --> 00:26:43.579
pay it back. And I'm like, so I went in

641
00:26:43.599 --> 00:26:46.329
there and Fat Mike coked out, you know. And I

642
00:26:46.349 --> 00:26:48.809
was like, hey, so my lawyer in this? And he's like, yeah,

643
00:26:48.849 --> 00:26:51.170
no problem. And then Chesky goes, they just give us

644
00:26:51.230 --> 00:26:54.569
fucking this much money for these dumb songs? I was like, yeah,

645
00:26:54.650 --> 00:26:56.529
Fat Mike calls me three days later. He goes, what'd

646
00:26:56.549 --> 00:26:59.369
you do? And I'm like, well, it wasn't a skate ticket, bro.

647
00:26:59.789 --> 00:27:03.539
And I had three felony assaults with three intimidation of witnesses.

648
00:27:04.019 --> 00:27:04.740
Oh, my God.

649
00:27:04.799 --> 00:27:07.059
I fucking tuned some dudes up in West Hollywood. Thank

650
00:27:07.079 --> 00:27:10.420
God we're fucking heterosexual men. You know, but it was

651
00:27:10.440 --> 00:27:11.660
the last night of Pride Night.

652
00:27:12.240 --> 00:27:13.339
And Chesky's bass.

653
00:27:13.140 --> 00:27:16.200
Player and her girlfriend took us to this bar where

654
00:27:16.220 --> 00:27:18.480
they were, like, known for roofing people. And somebody took

655
00:27:18.519 --> 00:27:21.609
my chick's purse. We went outside. I got into it,

656
00:27:21.700 --> 00:27:23.460
and they arrested me.

657
00:27:23.599 --> 00:27:24.700
And they caught me.

658
00:27:24.769 --> 00:27:26.950
And, like, right off the bat, for, like, five years. Like,

659
00:27:26.970 --> 00:27:30.269
you broke someone's nose. Like, you're done. And Fat Mike's

660
00:27:30.410 --> 00:27:32.789
fucking lawyer, I didn't go to court once.

661
00:27:33.210 --> 00:27:33.569
Nice.

662
00:27:34.029 --> 00:27:36.410
She knew the fucking DA of L.A. They went to lunch.

663
00:27:36.769 --> 00:27:39.140
She traded her a couple things. She traded her a

664
00:27:39.170 --> 00:27:39.859
couple things.

665
00:27:40.579 --> 00:27:41.119
That's the way it goes.

666
00:27:41.160 --> 00:27:43.240
That's how Mike got involved in the project. So, about,

667
00:27:43.740 --> 00:27:47.019
we had recorded four or five demos. And then he

668
00:27:47.039 --> 00:27:49.480
got deeply involved. And we were basically moved into his

669
00:27:49.500 --> 00:27:50.119
house for.

670
00:27:51.049 --> 00:27:53.289
For years. We lived with him for years at that point.

671
00:27:53.329 --> 00:27:54.930
Then we moved to Vegas.

672
00:27:54.950 --> 00:27:59.440
I have everything. That's the thing I give the most

673
00:27:59.539 --> 00:28:02.839
kudos to Fat Mike for, for fucking taking care of

674
00:28:02.880 --> 00:28:04.059
your case.

675
00:28:04.119 --> 00:28:06.920
I've known Fat Mike for fucking 15 years now. And

676
00:28:06.980 --> 00:28:09.829
when COVID happened, I was staying with him. And I

677
00:28:09.890 --> 00:28:14.130
watched all these motherfuckers show up during COVID being like, Hey, Mike.

678
00:28:14.880 --> 00:28:17.000
Give me money. Give me money. And finally he's like,

679
00:28:17.059 --> 00:28:17.460
for what?

680
00:28:17.500 --> 00:28:19.069
What do you want to do? And this one guy

681
00:28:19.400 --> 00:28:20.970
was like, I'm going to make you a bench with

682
00:28:21.029 --> 00:28:24.130
a chainsaw. And Mike's like, you don't need to do that.

683
00:28:24.329 --> 00:28:26.109
And this guy went out there. I was painting his house.

684
00:28:26.410 --> 00:28:29.670
He starts sawing this fucking log in front of his house.

685
00:28:29.710 --> 00:28:32.630
And I grew up, my grandparents have shit in the redwoods.

686
00:28:32.670 --> 00:28:34.029
So I know how to use a chainsaw. I'm like,

687
00:28:34.430 --> 00:28:36.230
you're not using that right, bro. You're going to break

688
00:28:36.250 --> 00:28:38.750
that chain. He's like, no, I'm not. I'm like, well,

689
00:28:38.769 --> 00:28:40.730
I'm painting right here. So that sawdust is definitely going

690
00:28:40.750 --> 00:28:42.940
to break my paint. And the guy's like, I know

691
00:28:42.960 --> 00:28:47.759
what I'm doing. Broke the chainsaw, left with fucking Fat

692
00:28:47.779 --> 00:28:50.519
Mike's five grand, never came back. And the chainsaw was

693
00:28:50.579 --> 00:28:53.380
stuck in that fucking log for the rest of COVID.

694
00:28:53.420 --> 00:28:56.059
And it was like a perfect example of like how.

695
00:28:55.980 --> 00:28:57.829
People use that, dude. No doubt.

696
00:28:57.940 --> 00:28:59.650
And from the beginning, me and this guy were like,

697
00:28:59.670 --> 00:29:02.990
we don't want you to be the Fat Records guy

698
00:29:03.009 --> 00:29:04.769
like paying for this band. We want you to be

699
00:29:04.789 --> 00:29:07.450
in a band where you don't pay for shit. Like,

700
00:29:07.490 --> 00:29:08.789
just be in the band, motherfucker.

701
00:29:09.049 --> 00:29:09.589
Let's do it.

702
00:29:09.849 --> 00:29:11.589
I mean, he paid for a lot of shit. But

703
00:29:11.609 --> 00:29:14.670
that's because we gave him that respect of being.

704
00:29:16.029 --> 00:29:20.990
But anyway, enough about music. We gotta wrap this up.

705
00:29:21.130 --> 00:29:22.710
We gotta wrap it up. We got shit to do, brother.

706
00:29:22.740 --> 00:29:28.339
I'm gonna finalize this with... Fuck Ice. Fuck Ice. And

707
00:29:28.859 --> 00:29:31.180
we love the co-defendants. I don't even put ice in

708
00:29:31.200 --> 00:29:35.920
my drink. That's the only ice we have. But you

709
00:29:35.960 --> 00:29:41.460
know what? We need some co-defendants to fight annihilate ICE.

710
00:29:42.319 --> 00:29:43.779
We work every day.

711
00:29:43.680 --> 00:29:44.200
At this, brother.

712
00:29:44.440 --> 00:29:45.660
There you go. Every day.

713
00:29:45.680 --> 00:29:47.559
They're going to put me in jail for it. I'll

714
00:29:47.599 --> 00:29:48.259
tell you what.

715
00:29:48.880 --> 00:29:53.069
I feel much safer in Costa Rica, Mexico, Puerto Rico

716
00:29:53.089 --> 00:29:55.240
than I ever do at home.

717
00:29:55.309 --> 00:29:57.390
People ask all the time, what's the scariest place on

718
00:29:57.430 --> 00:29:58.230
earth you've ever been?

719
00:29:58.250 --> 00:30:02.710
Fucking America. No doubt. Hands down. It was great meeting you, brother.

720
00:30:02.730 --> 00:30:04.759
Thank you so much for your time. If you're ever

721
00:30:04.779 --> 00:30:06.680
in Las Vegas, come look us up. We got the place.

722
00:30:06.700 --> 00:30:06.880
Will do.

723
00:30:06.880 --> 00:30:07.339
Will do.

724
00:30:07.359 --> 00:30:09.980
Thank you so much. Appreciate it, guys.

725
00:30:12.019 --> 00:30:16.309
Thank you for listening to the Adventures of Pikeman on

726
00:30:16.329 --> 00:30:17.490
W4CY Radio.