Nov. 27, 2025
Pipeman Radio Interviews Tailgunner About Hit The Lights on No Life 'Til Leather
No Life ‘Til Leather – A Tribute To Metallica’s Kill ‘Em All
Track Listing: 1. Hit The Lights (TAILGUNNER) Played it live at at Download New album Midnight Blitz produced by KK Downing 2026!
Silver Lining Music to release No Life ‘Til Leather – A Tribute to Metallica’s Kill ‘Em All on November 14th.
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Hi, you love one to the censure for Wow for
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you young.
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This is the pipe Man here on the Adventures pipe
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Man W four c Y Radio, and I'm here with
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our next guest. That Oh one of the first songs
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I ever loved. We're going to talk about here. So
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let's welcome Bones from Teil Gunner.
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How are you, hey man, Yeah, I'm good. Thanks for
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having me.
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On Oh My Pleasure. And you know, I'm kind of
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bummed because I was at Download doing interviews in the
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press and I didn't get to catch you guys playing
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Hit the Lights at Download. I was like I saw
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to be I'm like, fuck, I miss that. That sucks.
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Well, that's the thing with Download is, you know people
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say these days are you know, Download doesn't have any
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heavy metal bands anymore, but they don't look so thankfully
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we'll be back next year and maybe we'll play Hit
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the Lights again.
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Okay, well I'll be there next year, so I'll make
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sure to not schedule any interviews during your set then,
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for sure. So I want to know. Okay, so you're
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doing Hit the Lights. It's now going to be on
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the upcoming album No Life Till Leather. What may. Let's
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start with what made you pick hit the Lights have
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all the Metallica songs.
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It was actually picked for us. I gotta admit.
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We got asked if we wanted to be on the
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compilation album, and obviously, you know, said yes. We saw
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Saxon and Motorhead and so many great bands on there.
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We were never going to turn it down, you know,
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and so many great British heavy metal bands. But we
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got sent the track that we were going to do
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and no complaints. I mean, like you say, here the
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Lights incredible metal tune and the opener on the album
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as well.
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You know, can't get better than that.
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I know, right, And I see I remember, oh, I
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was there at Metallica's first show, and I remember the
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first metal Massacre and hearing that song on there, and
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I was like, oh my god, Now, like that's what
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turned me into a thrash metal head right there. Before that,
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it was like Priest then Madeen and then Metallica and
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Slayer after that. But and that brings me in something
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else because you guys have a new album as well,
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and it was produced by KK Downing. How did that happen?
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That's a long story really, I'll condense it down for
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you I mean, we put out a debut EP back
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end of twenty twenty two in December could Crash Dive.
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It's the first thing we have ever released.
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And somehow I still don't know who it was, but
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someone turned KK onto it. I mean, I need to
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find out who and buying the beer one day, right,
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But KK heard the CP and obviously liked what he
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heard and we got an invite to open. He was
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making his big comeback with kk's Priest, the first KKs
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Priest show at the steel Mill KK steel Mill in
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Wolverhampton to kill a venue in the Midlands. It was
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Paul Deanos main support, you know, before he passed away,
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and then KK asked us to open, which was killer.
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I mean basically he said to his manager, like, this
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new band tail Gunner, I want them to open this show.
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And that was It was only the second time we'd
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ever supported another band. There's a big deal for us,
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and things really just exploded from there and when crazy
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really and we stayed in touch with KK over the
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next kind of year or so and his manager and
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basically these days we shared the entire same team, so
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we've we've got all the same people behind us and
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when it came time to do this new record, our
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second record, and we were talking about producers throwing names around,
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and someone went, well, why don't we just ask KK
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And it was like, fuck, yeah, that's that's perfect, and
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thankfully he was. He was up for it, and we
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had a blast. Man, I mean, just learning so much
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from you know, a heavy metal god.
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Really and he's the nicest guy in the world too,
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So like it really is.
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We've been lucky enough to tour with some of our
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some of our heroes and some big bands and all
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the rest of it.
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And you know, you.
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Meet some some good people, you meet some bad people,
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but you know, KK is, It's true. He's the nicest guy.
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I mean, forget, forget Dave Groll. KK is the nicest
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guy in rock and roll.
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Yeah, I have to agree, and Dave is nice too,
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but I mean, like KK is just here's the thing.
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I think a lot of icons, not all, but most
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icons they have no clue to icons because they didn't
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set out to be a rock star. They just wanted
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to be a musician. And so like they're usually the
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nicest ones and the most humble because they like they
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have no clue, you know, in a sense, you know,
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and it's kind of hard to conceive if you're that not
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that ego maniac, you know that you're like this metal god.
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Like I would put myself in his shoes, and it's
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like I'd probably be like, what are they talking about?
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You know, like you don't really think of it that way.
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No, he's very humble guy.
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I mean he'll be telling us stuff about you know
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who will be in the studio. We were in the
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studio and he was referring to something priested in the
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eighties and something super obvious.
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He'd be like, oh, you know, we had this.
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Intro on this album we did, Screaming for Vengeance called
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the HELLI and we're like, we know ken.
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Right right right, Like it's an obscure song by some
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band nobody knows. And that see. I think that's cool
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when bands, you know, they start out obscure that nobody knows,
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but then they keep that same mindset the whole time.
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You know, Well, the big the big thing is as well.
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I mean, how many guys from that generation are actively
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interested in new heavy metal and scene, right?
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I mean I can't.
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I can't name really too many people. And that's why
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to me, he is like the true defender of the
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faith because he's he's fucking out there and keeping it
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alive and promoting new bands.
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I love hearing that, and it's so true as somebody
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that is og from the eighties time. The my reason
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I probably know all the newer bands than I do,
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and I know a lot of them, it's because of
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what I do, because I talked to my old school
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friends and I went to shows with in the eighties
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and I'm like, oh, you gotta listen to this band.
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And the problem was back then, to be honest, it
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was we were such fucking stupid gatekeepers that God forbid
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anything news should come along after the eighties. Like my
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friends from way back, they still kind of think, oh,
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there's no good band since the eighties, and I'm like, yeah,
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I'll show you a few bands that'll blow you away.
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You know.
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Yeah. The thing is as well these days, it's almost
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you know.
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I mean, You've obviously always had the Legends, Priest, Motorhead
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Made and all the rest of them, but there's a
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whole wave I think since probably the mid nineties onwards.
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Bands almost have to be better playing old school heavy
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metal than a lot of what was around in the
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kind of say the lower tiers of bands, the lesser
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known bands back in the eighties, because it's harder to
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prove themselves because so many like kids these days just
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want to listen to metalcore or the older crowd from
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back in the day.
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They have to be, like you.
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Say, even more convinced, because it's like it's it's these
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fucking kids playing like what we did forty years ago,
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you know what I mean. So I feel like you
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actually have to work even harder. And that's not a
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bad thing. It's not a bad thing.
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Well, it's definitely true, because it's like, so you take
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bands like Metallic and Slagh or nobody else was there
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was nobody else to compare to before them, you know,
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and then I the best I think of is Venom. Yeah,
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so back then they were like they considered themselves the
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only black metal band, and I love them, okay, but
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it's so funny because black metal bands today would never
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consider Venom black metal. And even now for me, all
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these years later, like I remember getting Welcome to Hell,
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like when it first came out, it was an import
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and I was literally scared when I listened into it
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for the first time because there was nothing else like
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it like that, and I'm reading the lyrics and stuff,
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and now I listen to those same songs, I'm like,
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sounds kind of poppy now, you know. And that's why
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I dig you guys too, because you kind of have
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that old school feel with new metal, not genre new metal,
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but today metal, you know, type of modernization I think
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is the way I look at it. It's like you're
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the best of both worlds.
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Well, that's that's it.
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I mean, we don't really try to play you know,
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quote unquote eighties metal.
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We just play hitty, right, we don't.
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We don't deep it too much because there's a whole
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scene of bands around these days in like in the
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underground that it's like if it doesn't sound and I'm
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talking in terms of the production, if it doesn't sound
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like a demo from nineteen eighty two, then it isn't cool.
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I'm like, I love that and I love those bands,
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and I kind of love that mindset. But at the
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same time, like we're trying to build a career, so
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it's like, yeah, we are in a position now and
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being with Napalm Records and things, and obviously working with
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KK he's not going to let us have shitty sounding
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drums on a record, or you know what I mean.
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It's like we have an accept we're still doing everything
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the old school way. But the thing is for me,
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and I've said this before. In the eighties, a lot
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of those guys were pushing the envelope.
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So these days we can look back and go ar,
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it sounds so old school, sounds a vintage, but you
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look at you know, okay, extreme example, but def Leopard
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on Hysteria that was like the cutting edge of technology,
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and I think it's actually an important thing and priested
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that a lot.
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They were always looking to.
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Do something new and fresh, and we look at if
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they didn't have that attitude, you would never have had Painkiller.
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is still play heavy metal the old school way, the
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coolest way, but try and push the envelope and take
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it further and take it to the next thing.
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So it's not just about sounding like it's from nineteen
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to eighty two, you know see.
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And I love that attitude because that is what it's
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all about. We don't need to regurgitate everything that was
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the beginning and you do need to evolve. Doesn't mean
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that's not an influence, you know, but it's not like,
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you know, it's not like Slayers set out to sound
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like Priest or Maiden. But when Slayer first started, they
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that's what they did is Priest and Maiden cover songs
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and stuff like that. You know, Tom didn't even know
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what heavy metal was when he Drew joined Slayer, So yeah,
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you know, and then you know, I love your attitude
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because there are a lot of bands that I see
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that almost nowadays call this like formula, like an algebraic
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equation to make the metal, and that's weird to me
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because you go back then, there was no equation. And
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in fact, if you talk to a lot of the Urts, okay,
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like James, he always he talks about how Seeking Destroy
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is played at the San Jose Sharks game, but he's like,
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I don't understand why they played the original version, like
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the one I redid is much better because my voice
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sucked then. But then you take somebody like me old
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school that I love that original raw James' voice, but
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I also know that he's an artist that has to
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progress and get better as craft and evolve, So I
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like the new voice too, you know. And it's it's
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kind of you can't stay in one place, is the point.
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And so even the eighties bands, if they're staying in
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one place, they didn't make it past the eighties. Metallica evolved.
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We didn't like it back then, the gate peez oh posers, sellouts,
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blah blah blah. But you can't deny the Black Album,
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even though at first we are all, oh, that's a
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piece of shit. They suck, but you can't deny how
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great that album is. Without it, you guys probably wouldn't
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