Aug. 13, 2025

PipemanRadio Interviews Insidious Void About Bloodstock 2025

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PipemanRadio Interviews Insidious Void at Bloodstock Open Air 2025.

The Pipeman Radio tour landed at The UK’s biggest independent metal festival featuring not only some of the biggest bands in Heavy Metal and Hard Rock, but also some of the best emerging metal music out of the UK and Europe competing in Metal 2 The Masses for a spot to play on New Blood Stage. The festival also features The Sophie Lancaster Stage dedicated to the memory of Sophie being brutally beaten and murdered just for being Goth and different. Sophie’s story particularly resonating with anyone who has been bullied, abused, or attacked for simply being who they are. The mission of The Sophie Lancaster Foundation is to stamp out prejudice, hatred and intolerance everywhere. This festival is more than just great music, fun, awareness, and togetherness. It's a family driven DIY Festival that cares where there ar eno outsiders. We join together for a common cause.

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Hi, you love one to the censure? Why pray young?

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This is the pipe Man here on the Adventures pipe

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Man W four c Y Radio. And I am back

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from Bloodstock, and uh, what a what a journey it

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was to get on the road from Bloodstock back to

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the US. I'll tell you what. It always bugs me too,

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is it so much harder to get into my own

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country today than gain others go to the UK? It

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takes me two seconds come to the United States. It

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takes where I live takes about an hour. And I

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got and they have to interrogate me like I don't

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even live here, So I don't know. I think I

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might be going to the UK more and more and more,

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besides the fact I love it there except the bipolar weather,

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but I love the festivals there in Bloodstock is one

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of my favorite in the world. And we had this

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band here that was at Bloodstock, but we didn't get

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a chance to do the interview there, so we're lucky

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enough to do it now. So let's welcome to the

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show Insidious Void and it's Shane.

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How are you.

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I'm great, ma'am.

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Yeah, it's been a couple of days of recovering from Bloodstock.

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You know, I don't think I'm still quite over it.

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Right.

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We always get the the term you probably have heard,

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the Bloodstock blues, where you just sort of you get

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back home in normal life just doesn't just completely unacceptable.

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You don't want to be back at the festival.

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Oh yeah.

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And you know it's funny because so I go on

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tour and I do festivals all over the US, UK

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and Europe, so I definitely know those blues after every

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single one, and it's like you kind of come home,

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like I have a few days home now, and then

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I'm leaving again, and it's like you come home, you seclude,

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you got the blues, and then you're like, oh, do

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I really want to go to the next one, And

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then you get to the next one and you're like, oh,

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I'm so happy I'm here, and you're sitting and it's

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like this whole cycle of I don't know, bipolar mental.

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Jumping all over the place in your head, you know.

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Yeah, And it's funny because you know, my youngest storer

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I'll bring her to festivals and after half a day

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she's like that, I don't know how you do this.

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Every weekend, I'm done already, and I sit there and I'm.

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Like, yeah, I don't know how.

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I don't like it's the best part of life is

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doing it, but the worst at the same time.

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It's a beautiful thing.

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Yeah, it's it's I always have this wee this kind

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of joke that I think of every sort of every year.

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It's no matter how much fun you're having at a festival,

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whether you're comping or you're in a hotel or whatever

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the weather's good about, it doesn't matter. You can be

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having the best time, but you will always have that

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one day where you wake up and you're just like

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I have mynd just for a second, but it goes

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like it goes away. I mean like I get it

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every year where I'll wake up on the Sunday and

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I'll just be completely like wrecked.

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Especially you notice it was like this year, like you said,

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with the weather, it was it was hot again this year.

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And you you don't get if you're sleeping in a tent,

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you can't really sleep past eight o'clock.

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But yeah, that's just brutal.

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When that sun comes up and you're in a tent,

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it's absolutely brutal.

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Yeah, yeah, absolutely, You've got about five minutes to get

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out of there as soon as the sun hits the tent.

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Otherwise you're just gonna get microwave. That's you know, so

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stuff like that. But it's all part of the fun

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of it, really, and like you know, you're enjoying yourself

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at the time and then you come home and you

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don't realize just how much you were enjoying yourself, and

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it just.

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Yeah, I got off the plane and it wasn't ten

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minutes before I was like, Okay, let me get back

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and go back.

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Yeah, yeah, absolutely.

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I mean we had that long, that drive from from

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Bloodstock up to karn Ryan in Scotland, and it doesn't

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really whenever because I was the one that was doing

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all the drive and I enjoy the drive, but then

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it really hits whenever I'm I'm in Scotland. I've got

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out of the car after six hours and I'm like,

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I will turn this thing around and go back. You know.

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It's so great.

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I mean I couldn't really imagine not doing festivals in general,

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but Bloodstock in particular, as I missed it one year.

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I kicked myself for it. It was terrible.

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It is one of my favorites, if not the favorite,

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for several reasons. First of all, like the people that

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run it are absolutely freaking amazing. And I'm also like

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in awe of like Vicky and everybody else that runs

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it because it's DIY and it's still a major festival,

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and like to put on a production like that from

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a family business doing it DIY, Like, I am super

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impressed because yeah, anybody could probably do it, but not

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do it well, and they do it so well, and

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it's so organized, and all I ever hear is positive things.

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You know, It's funny.

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So many other festivals I go to, especially in the

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United States, you know, all you hear is complaints, and

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those are the people that have loads of money and

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corporations and thing else and not necessarily do they put

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it on right whereas Bloodstock, I mean right down to everybody.

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And then you know, this year was an emotional year

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because you know, doing media, I dealt a lot with

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Michelle Kerr, who is the publicist who is Bloodstock when

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it comes to media. And then Rob Flynn did this

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dedication during machine had set. You know, before that I

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was in the pit and then afterwards I was just

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standing there and they did that. I was like, I mean,

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I had a tear coming out. You know, I went

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from being being this masher in the pit to like

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totally emotional with tears.

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Yeah, breaking down a little bit. Yeah, no, exactly. It's

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Bloodstock is just such a it. Obviously it's over the years,

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it's grown and grown. But it's just I think, especially

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once you are in the sort of VIP area or

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the press area and it doesn't quite hit just how

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much of a big operation it is and how La

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actually managed to make it, you know, work, until you

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you just get that even that little glimpse back there

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and you see what all is going on that you

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would never normally see. But yeah, no, like you were

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saying that Machine Heads, that that tribute just before Darkness Within,

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you know, that was that was amazing. I think I

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always I never try to sort of say what the

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you know, the best band of the festival is, because

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I enjoy so many of them whenever there's like at

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different times. But I said to everyone that I was

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with there that at that point, at that time I'm

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with that particular tribute, Machine had kind of stole it

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from me.

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You know.

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It was just it was perfect. It was like the

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perfect storm. Everything just lined up.

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And I was like, yeah, yeah, I'm not going to

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forget this one. That was brilliant.

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It's funny you should say that because Okay, like Trivium,

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they're from my area. They're like two hours away from

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where I am, and so I've seen them a lot obviously,

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and I was blown away by their set because I

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was like, oh my god, that's the best I've ever

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seen them. And you know, they had all the guests

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come up, including Rob Flynn and you know, and they

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did the Sabbath song that like caught my attention because

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it was like I was out there watching it and

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I went back to media because I had to do

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something for an interview, and I was sitting there and

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I heard like the first note of Symptom of the Universe.

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I was like, holy shit.

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And then they just kept beating it after that, like

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it was one thing after another. But then like you're right,

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I mean when machine Head came on first of all

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between the Pit the Wall of Death, but then that

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whole dedication in Michelle, it was like, okay, yeah, I

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had to give it to this one.

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Yeah. It was just.

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It was such an emotional little drop in there that

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it just completely tipped out and obviously, like you said,

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Trivium there were amazed and I was. Actually I didn't

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get to see as much of Trivium as I would

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have liked. Same with Emperor because of where our set was.

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There was a lot of moving like moving parts, so

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I didn't get to see as much of them as

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I would have liked. Obviously, it's not a big deal,

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but still Yeah, and then go je.

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Era, well they killed it too.

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Yeah, that was I haven't seen a fireworks display like

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that in the UK, you know.

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Ever, that was just they were as well.

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That was I saw something like from from somebody from

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media or whatever. Somebody said something I can't remember where

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I got from, but it basically said, if you think

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Machine had, you know, fireworks and stuff were something way

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do you see Gojira? Yeah, and that was on point

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because it was insane and I was even thinking about

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the time again, a family run DIY festival that did

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that kind of production and kept us all safe at

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the same time.

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Again blows my mind.

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Yeah, I couldn't really, I don't think I'd be able

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to get my head around how much planning is involved

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to make something like that happen in the massive spectacular

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way that it did, and like you said, keeping everyone

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safe at the same time, it's that my hot goes

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off to them.

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I mean that is. I've been to quite a few

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fast most, but Bloodstock is still my favorite, you know.

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I think the first year I went was twenty sixteen, Wow.

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And there was only one year I didn't go, and

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it was just because, like I went to another festival

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and I didn't have the money and I was raging.

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I was so so angry that I couldn't go. And

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from then on I was just like, I'm never missing

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that again. But that's not happening again.

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And so now you got to play yep, and that's

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bad ass. Tell us about the road to Bloodstock of

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getting to play at.

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Bloods Yeah, well, there's, as you can imagine, there's a

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lot of prep work that goes into it, as every

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band's going today. We had a sort of idea that

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we wanted to you know, drop something in advance, specifically

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for Bloodstock, So we had kind of like a loose

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or a roadmap almost laid out of what we were

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going to be doing going forward as a band in general,

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and then Bloodstock got kind of dropped into the middle

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of it, so we rejigged it and we were working

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on a single at the time, which we then actually

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just sort of put it's gotta be done. So we

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released that single before about a week before, called Magnitude,

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and then obviously that but like we were pumping out

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everywhere saying that we've got a new single, Light, We're

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gonna be playing at a bloodstock, this is what we're

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gonna do.

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But there's like that.

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That was just the you know, what we were going

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to promote, going into the amount of prep work behind

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it in terms.

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Of how we're gonna get there, what gear are we

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going to bring.

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Obviously haven't been to the festival quite a few times

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and seeing the e MP stage in many different ways,

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I was doing all these things of how much space

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am I going to have to work with?

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Am I going to be walking forward or back? Left

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and right? All these week things that that I think about.

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But yeah, it was a lot of work.

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And just on the Friday, you know, I went up

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and I got the T shirts into the you know,

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like in the morning, I got the teats into the

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march stands and there was a lot of then you know,

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into the VIP area, going out meeting people, and then

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before you know it, it's six o'clock and oh shit,

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it's time to go. Like we got to get everything backstage,

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and it just all blurred in so.

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Fast, and when it was done, I was riding such

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a high. But I was like, I can't believe it.

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It's sort of four or five months of what set

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list are we going to do, What merch are we

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going to bring, what songs are we going to release

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if any in the run up to the festival, what

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little things are we going to get, you know, in

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the run up to it, and then it just it

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just happens, but you just it all just fades away.

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Sometimes that can be so stressful and.

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Other times it's like, well I really enjoy it in general,

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but sometimes, as you can imagine, things can get away

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bit stressful. But you're just standing there on the stage

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and that was just so much par Like I was,

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I was feeding off that like so much. And I

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know my drummer was sitting back there and he once

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we got all the gear back to the car, he

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was just like, I don't know, go back to work

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after this.

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You know, it was just it was such a big thing.

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It was so much fun and it doesn't blow your

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mind how many people are packing it in for that

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stage that you played on.

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Yeah, it's always full.

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I mean I think it actually is a really great

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stage is especially for bands. You know, smaller bands like us,

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we're probably a bit more used to the stages that size. Yeah,

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so in that sense it's quite comfortable. But the crowds,

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I mean you can sort of whenever you're on the stage,

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you can just see like a sea of heads, and

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then the sun comes down and you see that's the

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end of the tent, but there's still people there and

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you're like, well, what, it's just it's always full.

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It's incredible.

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It's a brilliantly stage I think a lot as well

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as to do with where it is.

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It's right in the center of everything. Yeah, you know,

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I love that.

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I love that stage too because it so it reminds

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me of how things used to be where there wasn't

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barriers to the stage. You know, like nobody can really

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stage dive anymore on bigger stages because they have that

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big separation.

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There's no way you would make it to the other side.

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Yeah, you know, but it's just that that whole intimacy

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That really got me into metal because I felt this

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closeness to the band as a teenager, because I was like,

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you could touch them if you wanted to, you know,

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and sometimes you would get up on stage and just

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be chill with them and stuff, and like that's really

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that kind of can unity and that kind of intimacy

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is what I think has made metal such a huge

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family as it is today.

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Yeah, exactly.

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And like as a as a bond, every now and then,

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you'll you'll get offered up obviously as you as you progress,

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hopefully you get to do bigger and cooler things. We

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got the chance a couple of years ago to play

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a big venue in Fast called the Mandela Hall, and

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that's sort of uh place you're talking like, it's one

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of those tall, wide stages of a proper.

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Big stage, right. But then that's that's great.

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But I think like you do in that respect, I

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like the sort of down and dirty being right in

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the face of the of the bond.

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It's just a lot more personal.

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It's it's you're kind of disconnected right when you have

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that separation, it's kind of like it's you and them,

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where when you don't, it's like it's just all yeah, people.

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I love that, just right it right in the face.

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It's just it's so good.

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And especially like we we got a pit at the

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end of one of our at the end of our

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last song, and just when you're that close and at

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that level and you see that going on and you

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realize that's for you, it just makes it.

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Yeah, it hits hard.

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It makes you want to jump in.

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Yeah, exactly.

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If I didn't have a guitar in my hand, I

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would have been getting stuck in. Yeah, a proper like

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a moment of just I don't know, raw energy where yeah,

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you almost sort of lose it a wee bit. I know,

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it's it's hard to describe, but that's that's what I

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sort of feel, and that's what I felt whenever I

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was there. I saw it happening, and I was like, yeah,

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we've had one or two marsh pits, but nothing like that, right.

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Yeah.

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Well yeah, I mean I wish we could go back

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this week and Bloodstock.

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Yeah exactly. My sunburn's going away, so I'm ready to go.

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There you go, and I'm I'm partially have my voice back. Yeah,

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it's coming back slowly. I was talking people yesterday and

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you're like, are you all right? I'm like, yeah, yeah,

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I did forty seven interviews this week and I have

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no voice, that's all.

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Yeah.

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And actually, from talking to people in the in the

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press tent and in the press area, I think you

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guys came out of a little bit worse than the

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Bonds because you're you're having to do so much more

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talking all the time, whereas we have to get up

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there and bark for thirty forty fifty minutes and that's.

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Us, right, And you're yelling over the background noise too,

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so it's like, yeah, you know, I'm yelling the whole

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interview pretty much.

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Yeah, exactly.

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You know, man, my.

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Engineer even to like, when my engineer does the settings,

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we practice in the studio, but we practice as if

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I'm at the festival and I'm going, so he sets

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my mic for me to be like, really, what would

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be normally distorted? Yeah, if we didn't set it that way,

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And because it's like for the other person to hear you, yeah,

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you know. And the best way I could describe it

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is like if you've ever been to a concert and

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you're trying to talk to somebody next to you.

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Yeah, that's what it is.

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Yeah, exactly, and you're not just it's not just like

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leaning into their their ear, you know, whenever you're if

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you're interviewing someone, it's like you're standing there with the

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microphone and that you sort of keep it fist to fist,

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but you're not getting right.

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Yeah, you almost have to read lips because if you're

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getting in closed it would be kind of weird.

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Saying yeah, well, some people uncomfortable with it. Obviously if

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you've done it, I'm sure like me, and you've probably

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done that a million times anyway, So it's just it

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comes with the.

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Territory of the second nature, like it's probably first nature.

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Yeah, it would be a bit weird if someone didn't

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do it, I'd be like screaming at them, right, you

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know exactly.

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And you can always tell if you're a good interviewer.

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You can always tell if you have to raise your

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voice even more, because like I've watched the band's body

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movement and their facial movement to determine whether they can

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hear me or not.

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Yeah, yeah, I suppose the little cues like that, the

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blank look coming across someone's face, or just them just

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saying yes to the.

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Question and not kind of like if you're speaking another

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language and the reaction to the other person.

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Yeah, and you're so, Yes, that happens probably quite a lot.

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There's also, I guess probably people that aren't going to

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be too as you know, comfortable just being interviewed in general.

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And yeah, you probably got all sorts of characters that way.

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Oh totally.

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And a good interviewer just gets learns how to read

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the person they're interviewing. And that's why I do my

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interviews the way I do and set instead have some

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boring script or whatever, I just let I just let

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it take a life of its own. And that's how

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you're gonna get the artists to really want to talk

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because they're so used to hearing the same boring questions

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all the time that they don't give two shits about.

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