Aug. 1, 2025

PipemanRadio Interviews In/Vertigo

PipemanRadio Interviews In/Vertigo

Pipeman talks with Duncan McCartney about IN/VERTIGO - second EP Prevail, the track Save Me has been released as a single with a video- Rockshot Records

IN/VERTIGO had their first gig this year on Canada Day

Track Listing:

Weathervane
Save Me
Liar
Euphoria  

Personnel:

Reed Alton - Lead and Backing Vocals, Percussion
Shaddy Elsaghir - Lead and Rhythm Guitars
Duncan McCartney - Bass, Backing Vocals (2, 4), Keyboards (4)
Carter Bews - Drums and Percussion, Backing Vocals on Save Me 
Brandon Haddow - Rhythm Guitars  

All tracks recorded by Kirill Telichev at The Sound Priory
Tracks 1-3 Mixed by Brian Moncarz
Track 4 Mixed by Kirill Telichev
All Tracks mastered by Tyler Corbett at Sole Audio  

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Hey, you have done to censure.

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I'm going to a small and I've got Selby's honor,

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and I'm hosp and I'm a god my seas hot and.

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I watch on no Yo, it's the fight man, and

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I'm very excited about our next guest. And we're going

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a little north of me. Of course most of everything

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was north of me. There I am, but with some

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great music and man, this is new music that's been

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waved by fans for a while and I'm so excited

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about So let's welcome to the show. Duncan from Invertigo.

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How are you.

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I'm doing great. Thanks for having me. I'm looking forward

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to this.

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Hey, my pleasure and we will prevail.

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Absolutely.

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So I just wanted to say right off the bat,

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I thought it was really cool that your your guys,

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if I read correctly, your first show this year was

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on Canada Day.

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Yes, we were in strattmore of this little town just

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just outside the city of Calgary. And yeah, we've played there,

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played under Brewery there a few times and yeah, it

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was great, it was it was an awesome time.

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Yeah. So one of my co hosts on my live show,

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and she also has a show on another show on

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our network, she lives up in Calgary, so she's always

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very excited that I had. When I have guests from Canada,

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it's about that area and I do a lot of

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them because, you know what, there's so much great music

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up there. Like everybody likes to talk about the US

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and Europe, but man, there is so much good music

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in Canada. And like I kind of look at kind

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of like the Scandinavian countries. Sometimes it's just so fricking

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cold there. But you have nothing there to do but

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make great music.

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That's absolutely the thing, Like there is pretty much nothing,

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nothing better to do. Yeah, you think about some of

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the Prairie provinces like Manitoba and stuff, and like, what

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else are you going to do with your time?

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It's right. And then I'm always amazed at the bands

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that could sound like they have as many members of

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Slipknot and only you'll have like two or three people

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in the band, like I mean, everybody knows Rush of course,

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but there's a perfect example how much music comes have

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three people.

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Yeah, that's that's always been a big focus for us.

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We've been largely a one guitar band, our whole are,

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our whole existence. During the recording of Prevail and the

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upcoming EP we had another guitar player, Brandon Hatto, But

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it's always been sound as big as possible with as

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little instrumentation as possible. Definitely a focus for us.

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So tell us a little bit about your music, how

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you and the artist would explain it to the listeners

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who have never heard you before. Besides the bullshit genre

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stuff that everybody likes, the lump artist into.

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Yeah, we do definitely try to bring in as much

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influence from the for genres and whatever. We're a rock

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and roll band, but we love everything else. And it's

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really just we're trying to keep it real, you know,

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like we're four guys jamming in a basement writing songs together.

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We couldn't do backing tracks of our live shows if

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we had to. We have no idea how to do it,

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and it's just, yeah, just raw, real rock and roll

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the way people did it. In the old days.

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I love that you said rock and roll because to me,

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nowadays there's so many subgenres and micro genres and it's

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all just rock and roll. Man, it's the raw genre.

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It's all just rock and roll, And like, why do

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we have to put these labels and box artists in,

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you know? And I think there's a resurgence now of

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rock and roll meaning just people that are musicians playing

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great music opposed to whatever formulas have been put out

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there these days that make rock or hard rock or metal, Like,

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none of those three areas should ever have a.

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Formula totally right there with the end, you know, music

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it works in cycles, right, and you know, it sucks

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for a while, and then it all comes back around

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at some point and we're I think we're definitely we've

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got that going on right now.

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You know. Yeah, I love that because I hear it

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in yours and there's other bands that I've seen at

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festivals that. Man, it reminds me of rock in the

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seventies or the sixties, where you know, it was just

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about the music. Like you said about with the backing tracks.

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You know, not that backing tracks are bad. I just

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think that's not rock and roll. I think that's role

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is about musicianship totally.

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It's not a thing. And you don't want to hear

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your song sound exactly like does on the record. You

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want to evolve and you want happy accidents to happen,

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and you wanted to be cut on the edge of

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disaster all the time, right, And that's definitely where we live.

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And it's funny because see, that's an everything about rock

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and live music. Live music should not sound like tape.

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It should have flaws, it should have mistakes. You know,

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even with my radio shows sometimes I'll make mistakes. Everybody does.

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I'm like, I tell the engineer, fuck it, keep it

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in there, man, make it make it real, like unless

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it's something like really really bad like a dropped internet

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or whatever, like just keep that shit in there. So

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what I fucked it.

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It's lots, that's what it's all about, right, Yeah, we're

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totally from that school of doing things.

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It's so real and it's so fun. I was just

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telling a story yesterday on interview about in nineteen eighty

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three Van Helen headlining the US Festival and David Lee

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Roth forgetting the words to ain't talking about love instead

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of like trying to fake it. He just yelled to

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three hundred thousand people, I fucking forgot the words and

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they cheer it.

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I love moments like that. It's great, right, you know,

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that's that's the kind of thing that sticks.

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With you, no doubt, you know. And like I see

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other bands nowadays, if they don't have their tracking in

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their tracks or their laptops or whatever, they can't do

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a show like Whereas like, there's this band I really

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like that plays a lot of the festivals I cover

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called Bad Flower, And one time Josh, the lead singer,

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he had laryngitis, so he came out anyway, and yeah,

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he had the audience sing the songs for him and

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they just yeah, they played it like without the without singing,

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and then the whole audience was singing the songs and

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it was great. It was a once in a lifetime

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experience instead of you know, if you go see the

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same band like six times within a year, it's the

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exact same show.

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Sometimes Yeah, yeah, I don't think we played the same

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sh twice ever, Right, it's the best part.

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I'd prefer the grateful dead way, where every show is different,

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you never know which one to expect. You know, and absolutely.

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I mean to me, that's rock and roll too. It's

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like I think the musicians should play what they feel

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at the moment, because otherwise they would just be dialing

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it in. If they're really being a musician and they're

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really like having fun with what they're doing, you never

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know what might happen.

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Yeah, That's that's the way we do things. And you know,

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I love electronic music, and I love a lot of

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the modern rock and metal and stuff, and it's great,

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but just it's not.

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What we do. Yeah, And I like a lot of

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different stuff too, you know, I just think the same

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as you like. Everybody's gotta be unique and do their

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own thing, you know. That's that's what makes you a musician.

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It's like I've told a story a few times. You know,

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when I start first start playing guitar, my dad like

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he goes, you better quit that because you don't know

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what the hell you're doing. And what I was really

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just doing is I was just trying to find out

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what sounds I can make on that thing, you know,

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Like I wasn't trying to play a song or notes.

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I was just like, hmm, what can I do that'll

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be different? And not like this boring scale shit. That's

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awesome actally what I was thinking, you know, because every

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guitarist when they first start playing, they hate doing that

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whole scale thing. You have to kind of do it sometimes.

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But it's also fun to just say, hmm, I wonder

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what happens if I do this, you know, And that's

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what's happened with the greatest guitarist Listen. We just lost Ozzy,

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but Black Sabbath move never existed if it weren't for

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Tony figuring out a different way to play the guitarist.

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Absolutely, I'm a music teacher myself, and I use tone

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story constantly, right, just using your you know, your limitations

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and the things that happened to fuel you, you know,

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to to just make the next thing happen. And it's

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it's that's incredible.

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Right, I mean, it just it formed a new genre

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that like is one of the most memorable bands ever

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in history. He could have gone two ways. He could

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have gone, oh no, I can't ever play guitar again.

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And I'm a motivational speaker too, so I love that

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story because it's just as you know, it's not what

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happens to you, it's what you do with it.

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Absolutely. I like that. I'm using that, I'm stealing it.

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There you go. It's so true. And Black Sabbath is

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the result of that. And even Azsi like and Azsi

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he really couldn't even sing well, to be honest, you know,

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but he has that unique voice and he just loved

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what he was doing. And you know, I was just

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reading something today of you know, it's rare that you

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have a band like Sabbath come once in a lifetime,

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but somebody to create two mega things like okay, he's

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out of Sabbath. Now. You know how many people go

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into solo careers and it's not nearly as big, but

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he created two huge phenomenons like like, how often does

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that happen? That's why you can only give him respect.

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And he admitted, he admitted many times he didn't know

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how I was saying, he didn't know how to play

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an instrument, you know, but he just loved music. And

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I think that's the most important part, because if you

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don't love what you're doing in this industry, you're in

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the wrong industry, right, So tell us go ahead.

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Sorry, And just the thing like just seeing how excited

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he is to be on stage all the time. You know,

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that's kind of one thing I've taken away from from

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him constantly. He's just he's so stoked to be up there.

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Oh, no doubt, Like I oh, I've said for years

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now that he's not going to retire because he if

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he retired, he would he would pass away. And I

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kind of figured that was going to happen after this

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last show because he did last raw. He gave it

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everything that he had, Like, oh my god, I think

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it's the best he sounded in years, to be honest,

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you know, and just like he went out on his

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own terms for sure. So what else do you guys

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got coming up throughout the year here, And let's talk

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a little bit more about the new EP and everything

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you want to listeners to know about.

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We are still putting together some release shows for for

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the EP, so no concrete shows quite yet, but we

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are following Prevail up with a new EP right away,

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so you won't have to wait five years for new

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music again. And we've just been you know, writing, doing

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our own thing. We're focusing on solo music. The band

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itself is we're not hugely, hugely active right now, but

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we're all busy doing each other's projects and things. So,

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but there is new Invertico music coming up right away

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which is going to be great.

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Oh yeah, definitely exciting. And how do people connect to

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you guys on socials on the web. Check out all

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your stuff and you know, be updated for when you

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do do shows and you do release new music.

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you can find them both at get Invertigo all one word,

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and that's probably the best place to find us.

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Nice And so what else would you want to share

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We are dropping a new music video for the track

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Records YouTube page tomorrow and will be posting all about it.

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And it came together great, so hopefully you check it.

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Out nice, And what got started? What guy you started

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in this anyway?

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Like? Ooh, well me personally, I played music like I

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I hated it. And I only really got serious about

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I want to do that like my first musical heroes

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just kind of took it from there. And I was

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nineteen or twenty and I met our guitar player, Shaddy.

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thousand and nine when he when he passed away, and

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and landed on Invertigo. We've been playing together for ten years.

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old band years ago, and we were looking for a

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singer and they stumbled upon each other like, oh I

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remember you. And then we poached our drummer from our

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booking agent and just it's one of those one of those,

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you know, the perfect group of guys at the perfect

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time sort of thing. Just total magic.

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bands do have a past, you know, and in that past,

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you never know where it's gonna leave you, but it

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generally leads you to this story that you're saying, like,

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you know, somehow you get connected the six degrees of separation,

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and then that's the magic.

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the singer like that evening when we just met up

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to talk about plans and goals and stuff. I think

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we were all just like, yeah, I'm starting a band

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with this guy. It was just the instance like you know,

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you know it's going to happen.

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tuning up, Ozzie's like, you're hired.

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on the same page and wanting the same things. And

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even though we're you know, those weird amalgamation of influences

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and stuff, we just we want we want to do

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the same thing, and it's it's great.

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it a lot, you know, going back to what I

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was saying about formulas and stuff like that. That's why

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to the table. That's how we get the uniqueness nowadays,

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you know, because there's so many genres that that's the

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only way to get unique. You know, it's not like

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a black Sabbath where you are the only one doing it. Now,

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you bring in all these other people and he creates

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something that really says invertigo. It doesn't say anything else

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And figuring that out. Like we're still figuring out what

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that means. And we're just trying stuff, matching things together,

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coming up with ideas, and it's it's the best.

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I love it well. I love your enthusiasm about it.

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both sides, meaning you're playing music but you're also teaching

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It's it's interesting because like they they they're making me

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better at both things, but like I have to approach

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stuff from a different brain. Like when you're performing, you

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can't think, right, You're just like just do it. It's

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all automatic, it's all autopilot. And then teaching it's the

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complete opposite, right, and breaking down every single little detail,

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like oh, I see, like you're doing this thing with

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your hand, right, And it's weird, Like coming from a

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long day teaching to playing a show, I got to

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like become a different person, right, It's all make my

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brain work differently, and I'm figuring that out, but it's

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it's it is definitely something I thought about a lot.

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you're switching hats people. A lot of people might think Oh, well,

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that's just makes sense. That's normal. But no, it's like

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a different mindset doing the two different things.

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get in the way the other if you let it.

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being a motivational speaker. That person isn't usually on the radio.

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There's radio me and there's speaker me, and they are

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different because one you're doing on stage for people, and

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one you're like you're playing a role when you're on

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the radio. You're kind of playing a role and you

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know it's not so serious and it's not you know,

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the worst thing you could do is do a seminar

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on the radio bore people to death, you know, so

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you know, and for me, it's like like this switch

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turns on as soon as the mic turns on, or

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as soon as I get up on stage, there's a

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switch and I don't even control that switch. It's like

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it just happened. And you know, it's like same thing too.

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doing a speaking gig and the whole time before I'm

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thinking myself what I'm gonna say, and like I'm like

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all nervous, and the mid I step on that stage

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and the mic turns on, all that goes out the window,

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and like you said, it's like autopilot because you're just

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you're being you. Like when you're playing, in my opinion,

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you're being you, authentically you. But when you're teaching other people,

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it can't just be you. It has to be them too,

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and understanding what they do, what they need, what they want,

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and that they may learn differently than you, and not

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a really has that capability to put themselves in somebody

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else's shoes like that.

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you know, wrastled with a whole bunch and and just

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had to figure out and it's it's great because it's

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made me better at both things.

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Right, just right, they find each other.

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I bet you too, probably when you have and sometimes

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when you have, you know, taught students that sometimes they've

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taught you.

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up way better than me. So it just directly like

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that's a smart way to do that. And then you know,

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just sometimes they make me think differently, or they asked

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a question that I'm like, oh, I never really thought

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about that or thought about it that way before, and

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one uh, I learned as much as they are and

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a lesson's great.

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That's so cool. I love it. Well, your music's badass.

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Everybody's got to check it out or they can't on

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my show anymore. And thanks a lot for being on

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the Adventures of Pipe Man.

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Thanks so much. This has been great.

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Absolutely anytime, all right, I'll catch you later.

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Thank you for listening to the Adventures of Pipemin on

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