Aug. 10, 2026

The Magic of Metal Festivals: Venom Inc and Pipeman on Friendship and Community

The Magic of Metal Festivals: Venom Inc and Pipeman on Friendship and Community
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In this lively episode, Pipeman sits down with Kern Murphy of Venom Inc at the Bloodstock Festival to talk all things metal, community, and the realities of life as a touring musician. The conversation covers the unique vibe of UK metal festivals, the importance of the metal community, issues with the modern music industry, and memorable personal stories from the road. Expect humor, thoughtful reflection, and plenty of commentary on what it means to keep metal—and its culture—authentic.Main Topics Covered

  • The atmosphere and community spirit at Bloodstock Festival
  • Comparing US and UK/European metal festivals
  • The role of family, respect, and support within the metal scene
  • The struggle for artists to earn a living in the streaming era
  • The importance of buying band merch and owning physical music
  • Memorable fan interactions and artist generosity
  • Staying “real” in a corporatized industry
  • The value of fun and not taking oneself too seriously in metal
Key Discussions & StoriesBloodstock: The Ultimate Metal Family
  • How impromptu encounters make Bloodstock special (00:19)
  • The story behind wearing pink at the festival to honor Sophie Lancaster (01:50)
  • The multiple generations of families attending Bloodstock together (02:39)
  • Describing the playful chaos of themed mosh pits (dinosaurs, bananas, crabs, spiders) (03:06)
Metal Community and Kindness
  • Bloodstock's non-judgmental, caring atmosphere, contrasting sharply with US festival experiences (04:20)
  • Kern Murphy reflects on how community manifests even outside the stage: vendors, security, and organizers being genuinely friendly (05:06)
  • The sense of safety and support within the festival—if someone gets hurt, dozens step in to help (05:54)
  • Tales of press, artists, and fans looking out for each other (07:31; 08:33)
Competition vs. Collaboration
  • Kern Murphy shares a lesson from amp-building mentor Bruce Ignater: “no one man is getting it all”—fostering collaboration over competition in the business (09:38)
Merch, Streaming, and the Value of Music
  • The rise of vinyl and CD sales as fans seek to truly ‘own’ music (26:26)
  • Strong criticism of Spotify (“Stealify”) and the challenges artists face earning money through streaming (24:40)
  • The importance of buying merch as direct support for artists (25:08)
  • Remembering when Lars Ulrich was (rightly) vilified for the Napster debate (27:49)
  • The surreal world of music rights, recounting Michael Jackson’s purchase of Beatles songs (30:07)
Staying Authentic in a Glittery Industry
  • Venom Inc’s “no-frills” approach on tour: no backdrop, no intro track—just plug in and play (31:00)
  • The genuine connection between bands, fans, and the music, undiluted by spectacle (32:14)
  • Pipeman: “If you distill everything down to its base core, it’s putting on a record or putting on a CD and hearing those songs.” (32:32)
The Festival as an Escape
  • Metal events as a refuge from daily life and global tensions (21:24)
  • Playful solutions to world problems: If everyone (except politicians) attended one massive mosh pit, the world would be healed (22:17)
Notable Quotes
  • “It’s almost like a summer camp reunion with alcohol.” — Kern Murphy (01:25)
  • “You see people from 2 to fucking 82 in here and nobody cares. We’re really a family.” (04:20)
  • “If I went out there now and picked anybody at random ... and said, ‘You couldn’t give me a hand?’ ... I know they’d go, ‘Oh yeah, what’s the problem?’” (15:05)
  • “If you’re really confident in what you do, you don’t deem the others as a threat.” — Pipeman (10:48)
  • “The music was the thing that carried it ... the people speak to the music, and it’s us together. You support us and we support you.” (32:04)
  • “That’s what Venom Inc. gives. That’s what we are.” — Pipeman (33:49)
Resources & Links Mentioned
  • Sophie Lancaster Foundation: Bloodstock’s annual pink day and second stage honors Sophie Lancaster, a symbol for tackling hate crime against subcultures
  • Venom Inc.: Official Facebook
  • Bloodstock Festival: bloodstock.uk.com
  • Support Artists: Buy merch directly at shows or through official channels to make a real difference


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Now, this is fucking great because I didn't even know

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you guys were here. I went out to get some

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food for like the first time all weekend, and I'm like,

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holy shit, look at this. And that's what I love

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about Bloodstock is you just run into a bunch of

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old friends, new friends, family, like this is the ultimate

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metal festival for the ultimate metal family.

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And venom Innk is here with me.

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Yeah when you when you when you saw us?

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I didn't even Alie were here at it.

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Don't tell.

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I mean we snuck in, so we're actually not supposed

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to be a don't tell security.

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Yeah, don't tell. We won't tell them.

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People ask me about, like, well, what's it like playing

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these metal festivals, and it well, it's a lot of fun,

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of course, you know, we get to play for you know,

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twenty five thirty thousand people. But the real fun is

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almost after the show, when you get to run into

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all the bands that you're friends with, all the press people,

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all the photographers. It's almost like a summer camp reunion

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with alcohol. So it's it's, it's it is one of

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the big fun things. Like you said, you didn't even

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know that Tony never gonna be here, and now here

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we are saying, you're having an interview and a great conversation.

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And then Tony didn't even recognized me because I'm wearing

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a pink shirt.

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That the pink shirt for a mod metal right, yeah.

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I was like, oh my god.

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Yeah, but that it's something outs I love about Bloodstock

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because of Sophie Lancaster who got killed for being a goth.

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What was stupid fucking shit, And so they pay homage

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here at blood Sock and Saturday every year, the whole

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place is supposed to wear pink. Yeah, so all these

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badass metal heads.

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In pink, we all do it.

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We all do it.

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He's got the pink phone.

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And you know there's you know, I just had a

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bank called in viewer and played the Sophie anchas that's

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age and I did a single with him, so I

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jumped up to sing it. But that whole stage which

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they've been lodged this year, which is the second stage,

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is the Sophie Ancas passage, and I gave a whole

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load of memorabilia and stuff to the Sophie Lancaster Foundation

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that they're gonna ochin off and and that's the whole community.

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Talking to someone in the ring in the arena and

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I gonna do a quick interview and I'm like, okay,

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And there's his wife and then he started talking about

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the festival we did and said, yeah, I'm going again

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next year. And so it's my daughter because it's it's

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my birthdays at the beginning of the month and her

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birthdays at the end of the month.

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And I said, oh, that's creazy when there's my daughter there,

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and I went, oh, hi, well you do it's amazing.

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Yeah, these are my grandchildren. And it's like that's Bloodstock.

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Yeah, it's like everybody three genuations.

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I'll describe Bloodstock by what I experienced the first day.

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Yeah.

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So there's a band I interviewed at VAKIN last week.

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I didn't get to catch their set, so I caught

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their set here and I was in a mosh pit

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with a bunch of dinosaurs.

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Ye heavy Soaurus yesterday.

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Yesterday it was.

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The banana moshpit.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, And then there was that first

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day after that band I interviewed earlier in the day,

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Evil Scarecrow. Yeah, and they had a crab marsh pit

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and a spider marsh pit. And I'm sending it to

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my kids and my daughter's like, what the heck. I'm like,

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that's what it's about. Over here, We're just having fucking fun.

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When when we all talk, particularly of the times we're

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in and there's an emphasis on freedom, I'm gonna say,

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it's like, you know, when you're free is when this

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is happening, when the music's happening, and when when you

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walk around that arena and you see dinosaurs and you

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see I saw a girl dress yesterday as a Judy

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Goland from The Wizard of Oz with the and everything.

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I was like, nice, why you dress?

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Says that you?

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And why not? I was like, that's as why not?

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That's a great reason, And I said, that's because I

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can nobody's judging anybody.

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Nobody's judging everybody, and you can see.

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People from two to fucking eighty two in here and

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nobody cares. And it's like, wow, we're really a family,

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We're really a community, And there's such a wonderful community atmosphere.

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We've come a long way since the eighties.

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Well that's that's the other thing, you know, I have

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obviously being from the US and American metal festivals in

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this I have people asking me, well, what do you

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think of Bloodstock? What is this your first UK metal fest?

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I'm like, it is my first UK medicals and it's

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awesome and why and because it's just there's this real

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vibe and feel of everybody is just happy and having fun.

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If somebody, you know, God forbid, if somebody were to

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be injured or hurt, I feel like twenty people who

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didn't know that would still come.

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Around one million percent.

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Get you some water? Did you get hurt in the pit?

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What's going on?

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Like you'd be taken care of?

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The feeling even the security that you know they're walking

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by here and they smile at.

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You, right, they're so nice. And in the States does

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mean like that you feel like you're dealing with corrections

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office are in present.

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Even the vendors here, it's like it's actual small business vendors,

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people who make these incredible you know, leather gauntlets and

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these belts and all these great things, and they're here

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whereas at American festivals it's like shirts dot Com, you know,

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and it's it feels so corporatized.

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I love the merch here better too, because it's so

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cool for community.

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I bought this the first day. Look at that fucking jacket.

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Yeah, you would not You would not find this.

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No, I've never found.

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It's got safety pins and ship all over it, jackets

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or you know, what have you. And it's just such

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a cool community, even like like the.

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Jewelry you're wearing. I look in the States and I

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never find anything cool. Here. There's like so much cool.

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Ships or either gifts from fans or or they're like I'm.

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Walking around the way he's showing his ring.

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That's cool. Yeah.

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So like this middle one here is literally a gift

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from a fan in Santiago, Chile. Nice my second show

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ever with Vanameka, and I was just walking around and

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they're like, hey, I was looking for a ring maybe,

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and they're like, here, this is a gift for you,

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thank you for playing, Like.

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Wow, thank you.

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So I always always wear this one I'm out.

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On the road, I can.

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I can also tell you from a press perspective because

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I do all the US festivals I do down my

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I do Bloodstock, I do hell Fest, grasp Op, Valkan

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resurrection Fest and a whole bunch of them. But I

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love the UK because the people that run the media

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and the people that run the festival, especially here at Bloodstock,

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they just treat you like you're fucking great. And in

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America they treat press like they're doing you a favor,

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like I'm giving you promotion, and they treat you like

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they're doing you a favor.

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Here.

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First I was here her right there, Kirsten, she runs

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media in here. The first time I came here, I

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said something to her like thank you, and oh no,

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we realize that without you there's no festival, you know,

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I mean, like that makes me want to come over here.

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The hard thing too, is you know, the European UK

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festivals they vet their press, so only real press is

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here and they all look out for each other. In

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the US, you walk away from your ship and somebody,

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some other press person's taking it and like you take

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that from a photographer, they can't afford to replace it.

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Millions of dollars worth, I mean thousands of dollars worth

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of equipment, and you'll just take it from somebody. I

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remember the first time I did download, I got friendly

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with this one photographer and he was walking away leaving

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all the equipment there.

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I'm like, you're gonna just leave it there?

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He goes, Yeah, we all look out for each other here,

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nobody's gonna touch it.

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Yeah.

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What a fucking great concept, you know.

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Right.

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It's about that community. We all see that without each other,

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none of us exist.

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So we need. As a musician, you need.

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You need the press, you need the fans, you need

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the promoters, you need the technicians, you need everybody you

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can pay. Learn your bit on your house. But because

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you bought a guitar, But if you want to go

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beyond that.

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You need people.

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No, no doubt.

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We succeed or even when you just do it, and

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success is meads up by yourself, not why somebody else's achievements.

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So when do I succeed? So I'm putting a live

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short now when there's ten people there. Everybody facilitated it

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on the wheel. I didn't do it by myself.

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And nobody feels like a competitor. Okay.

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I talked to all these bands that do Melton and masses.

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They never feel like they're competing even though they are

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the press people. I have so many press friends in

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here that don't just bring interviews over to me, you know,

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And it's like, that doesn't happen a us. You do

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it on your own. I'm one that will. I'll help

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the other people. But they're all like, oh, I want

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to hold onto this because it's it's my interview and

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I'm not gonna give it to anybody else.

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So I have a cool story that ties in with this.

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So I build two guitar amps. And one of my mentors,

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the guy who taught me how to builds, his name

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is Bruce Ignator.

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He's in my circle. He's world famous.

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And I told him I was going to start an

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amp company and instantly said, well, Current, if you ever

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want any designs or schematics or this or that, I'd

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be more than happy to And I stopped him and

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I said, but wait, Bruce, aren't we going to technically

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be competition?

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And he goes, oh, Current, no number.

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There's so much money on the table, no one man

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is getting it all.

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Don't worry. Don't worry about that ship. I love that attitude.

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And then, and before I had started my amplifier company,

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that reset my entire mindset on my business. If there's

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I can never take all the money, so I don't

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have to be an asshole. I can help other guys

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who fix amps build amps. Is in that because it'll

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come back to me in a good way. And it's

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and it's the same thing here. We all go out

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and try and play our asses off. It makes the

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fans happy and excited, and so it's easier for the

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next man to come out and play their ass off,

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and the fans are already up and excited, and so

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it becomes this beautiful circle of good things.

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And the thing is too, is if you're really confident

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in what you do, you don't deem the.

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Others as a threat.

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That's the people that will hold on to it because

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they're not secure with how well that. I always help

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other press people because I have enough confidence in how

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I do things that I don't need to worry.

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There's nothing to worry about to.

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Worry about, that's exactly.

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There's enough for all of us, you know. And that's

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true of anything. And I just love I do love

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over here in the UK. I'm sure you've had this

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experience already too. It's like I always feel like all

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my friends are here. Everybody's so cool. Like I came

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here Thursday for the first day and I'm walking up

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and like ten people like hey, what's going on?

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Like and I haven't seen them in a year.

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You walk ten feet with this guy without somebody stop.

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I know, right, but yeah, or.

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Even the funny thing of just walking around like you've

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got to drink in your hand and somebody.

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Like walks, oh so sorry, so sorry to walk.

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Oh okay, right that we wait, we went when we arrived,

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we went straight to the New Bits.

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It's a single band someone else.

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Oh could you get there? But twelve We've got to

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say yes, of course. So they won a competition. But

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East ang there, so we went across to see them.

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On the way there, there were several people like bumping

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trying to and on the way back, several people every singles.

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I'm so sorry, oh excuse me, Oh that's very English.

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But it's like they're concerned that they're bumping into each other.

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What's the first thing you guys say to people are

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the times and say hier or hello. It's like you're right, yes, exactly,

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like my friend's in there.

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Right.

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They're always like you're right. That's how they say hello.

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And the difference is the difference is if you said

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not really, they would go what's wrong?

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Or they'd engage with you to go, what's happened? Are

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you okay?

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Can I?

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Yeah? In the States, they don't care.

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It's just a word. It's just a word. It's like, yeah,

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I have a nice there. But whether you do or not,

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I've just got to say that, so right, like right,

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do you want me to have a nice dare? I

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guess yeah? And it's like all right, so you're just

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saying it. But someone goes, I hope you have a

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nice dad? Do you hope you have a nice deer?

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Yeah?

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If they say you let normally nice hee.

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They are the kids who know what happened and they'll

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want to do something about that. In a circle pit

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out there, one person falls, me, him pop, looking the

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ship of each other in the ground and everything else.

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One person falls down, everybody picks up personal.

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Yep, I'll tell you what happened to me at download

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one year I was in to bring me the horizon

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pit and there was this really big dude. He made

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you look small and uh no, no, no, big as

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in big as in like but he uh and tall,

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and and he was going in there like typical of

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those kind of dudes. Like there's two kinds of big dudes.

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There's the dudes that are just the big pussy cats

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that they realize you're smaller dudes, so they don't hit

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you so hard in the pit. And then there's the

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others that come in that are the fucking boys, and

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they're the ones I love in a respect of I'm

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a little dude. I will come around the pit and

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like Mike Tyson, I'll come down and come up with

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my elbow and I'll be on their side of pit

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before they see who hit him, you know, because I

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think they're fucking assholes.

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But what was cool was this dude.

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He was super huge and he kept picking on people,

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and this one dude turned out to be his size

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and walked up to him and he's like, let you

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pick on somebody your own size, and fucking removed them

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from the pit, and that dude wasn't allowed in the

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pit again. And that dude was literally scared. And that's

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how those bullies are. They're always scared when somebody backs

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them up. I learned while I was a little kid,

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my brother taught me because somebody was bullying me, and

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he said, just fucking knock him out because they're pussies anyway,

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and if you knock them out, they won't bully you

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ever again.

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And that's what happened, you know.

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Yeah, exactly. And then that's it.

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And I think, you know, you get a lot of

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contemptuousness people walking around, you know, trying.

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To be you know, something they're not.

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And yet you come to blood Sukia and I went

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out there now and big anybody around him, you know,

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the ugliest will go on the planet, the biggest, most

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of the I said, you.

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Couldn't get me a hid I know, they go, oh yes,

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I have not met one asshole at Bloodstock, And I've

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been doing this festival for years and everybody and they're

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still not an asshole that.

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Gets ugly at the end. Everyone's everyone's pissed. It's still funny.

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There's no there's no underlying like this could kick off

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in a room.

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Oh no, I've met totally so many people because that

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that serpents layer out there. People will be getting pretty

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drunk at like two in the morning, and I've met

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people that were so pissed that they would be the

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type you think we get into fights and they're still

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like lovey dovey.

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They're more like, oh I love you man.

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Yeah, everybody.

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Yeah, it's just that that vee here, that there's just

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that energy here exactly.

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I'm walking in here at ten am, yeah, doble jack,

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diana'sn't cool and drinking that till at twelve am.

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They're like so old day and running around and.

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You think, like, fucking hell, this is something Shit's gonna

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go down somewhere. And the security of the best job

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here because they're all friendly, they're all available, and they're

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all kind, they all want to help you, and everybody respects.

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I saw it during one of the shows, I forget

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which one was security having their own circle page. Yeah, yeah, yeah,

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I've never fucking seen that in my life.

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Is that just that's.

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Fucking amazing, man, Like, that's the story that's wholding me.

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And Vicky, who is one of the.

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Founders, Okay, yeah, I saw on her Instagram and I

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talk to her every year.

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She's the nicest person.

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And the somebody asked her, are you going to try

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and turn this into a download? And she didn't even hesitate,

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she said absolutely, fucking nun They have their place, we

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have ours. We're perfectly happy with it being like this

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and having our metal family here.

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Yes, and that's what makes us scrap.

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That's that you hit the nail on the head.

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There from from Paul, you're meeting artist Adam, other security,

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Alan Hungerven Vicki, Real Joe, you know, or the family

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do it and so everything is an extension of their family.

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So we're raal family. It's like they've just expanded their family.

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They had their siblings, you know, the sisters and their brothers,

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and the mom and their dad, and now they've got

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like twenty eight thousand people or the rest of their family.

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And we feel it so because it's it's not just

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an enterprise. It's not just a money making machine. It's

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not just someone's conjured up some kind of thing to oh,

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I could do this. It's like Emily from a family

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who was so impassioned Paul's art worth, a saxon and

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everything else. It was so impassioned. He was in that

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he wanted to do more. How can we do more?

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This is what we can do. And that's why it's

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a family, from the first person to the last.

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Person, no doubt about it and the community here that

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pays homage to everything. Like the year Ozsie passed, they

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had this whole area that I signed that you could

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sign for Ozzie last year, that too, last year Machine

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adds on and I had tears because Rob Flynn did

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this dedication to Michelle Kerr, who used to be running

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this media attend I loved because she used to just

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hook me up with everybody for interviews. She was such

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an amazing human being, and like he made this whole dedication.

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Everywhere when quiet went, Oh my.

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God, it was unbelievable, like and it was it was

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funny too, because like he was talking about her drinking

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and he's like, she could drink anybody under a table.

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He's like, she's had me come drink with her, and

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there would be some point and I would just tell

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her I'm tapping out, like nobody could keep up with her,

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you know, and just that kind of thing. Like I

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was so moved by it. But that I saw a

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couple of months later Rob at Louder than Life. I

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think it was in the States, and I've never met him.

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I've never interviewed him, and I've walked up to him

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and I just at press and I just said, I

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just want to say what you did from Michelle that

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was fucking amazing and it brought tears to my eyes.

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She was amazing human and he goes, yeah, she was

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the best, and I just said, and I shook his hand.

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I'm like, that's all I wanted to say. I walked away,

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like you know, because that's what I really felt like

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that he went out of his way door in the

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set to do that.

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That says everything said everything.

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And you know the thing is, you couldn't say that

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he would do that vacuum for someone in Vacon, or

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you could do that Alcatrazer, someone, Algatez, someone that that.

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However, everybody here and you who he's talking.

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About exactly the whole placed, and he was headlining the

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whole place. You know why I love to speaking about

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machine heead it's a due the surprise bands here that

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play in in like the Sophie Lancaster stage one year

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as machine Head, fucking machine Head playing in a tent

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and it was like, oh my god, like, what other

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festival do you go to that that happened?

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Surprise right, very cool.

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Exactly, it's looking for ways to keep everybody is ingreds

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in each other and have access to these people because

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you know you might miss it in a sting team

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that want to how.

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Do we do something?

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How do we then do something extra to bring them

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to bring them all together?

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And that is another way. It's the fucking pillow fighting

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over there. Oh my god, that's the funniest.

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Ship meta rhobics. It's like getting weak.

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I know, it's the funniest ship ever, silly and so fun.

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I mean, come on, well, that's.

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The point, Like, well, it's an interviewing Evil Scarecrow. They

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were like, we don't take ourselves so seriously. We're just

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having fun. And I think that's what we have to learn,

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is some metal heads be to stop taking themselves so seriously.

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It's about fun, it's about community. We got enough seriousness

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in the world. This is our escape from all that shit.

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Escape. Yeah, it's our escape.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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We can still be in Congress and we can still

445
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feel what we feel and and say what we want

446
00:21:54.079 --> 00:21:54.440
to see it.

447
00:21:54.480 --> 00:21:56.160
But this is our freedom from all of that.

448
00:21:56.640 --> 00:21:57.119
Exactly.

449
00:21:57.240 --> 00:21:59.680
You can close the door for a few hours, for

450
00:22:00.480 --> 00:22:02.000
two d's, we can get rid of that.

451
00:22:02.319 --> 00:22:03.880
It will still be there when we go back.

452
00:22:04.079 --> 00:22:07.440
I'll just give us and you know it's interesting.

453
00:22:08.160 --> 00:22:14.200
So I have this solution to the world's problems, and

454
00:22:14.319 --> 00:22:15.039
you want to hear it.

455
00:22:15.160 --> 00:22:16.160
Thank of course.

456
00:22:17.079 --> 00:22:21.319
So we have one major metal music festival that the

457
00:22:21.440 --> 00:22:26.519
whole world is required to tend, except the political leaders.

458
00:22:26.559 --> 00:22:31.000
They are banned. Security has strict instructions. You're not allowed in,

459
00:22:31.799 --> 00:22:35.440
and put everybody into the mosh pit. We'll all fucking

460
00:22:35.519 --> 00:22:37.680
work it out and give each other a hug at

461
00:22:37.720 --> 00:22:39.559
the end, and we'll all be friends again.

462
00:22:40.559 --> 00:22:43.599
Didn't We almost kind of have that with the World Cup.

463
00:22:44.240 --> 00:22:47.279
That's true, when you had all of these nations, all

464
00:22:47.279 --> 00:22:51.240
these countries of fans coming to one country and getting

465
00:22:51.400 --> 00:22:55.839
way hammer drunk, watching sports and everybody laughing and having

466
00:22:55.880 --> 00:22:59.359
a great time, I mean exactly, drank Boston dry and

467
00:22:59.400 --> 00:23:03.039
then up they then cleaned.

468
00:23:02.640 --> 00:23:07.759
Up, right, you know exactly. That's the key. Keep the

469
00:23:07.799 --> 00:23:10.079
fucking political leaders out of everything.

470
00:23:10.200 --> 00:23:13.279
Yeah, the politics telling us we're supposed to hate each other.

471
00:23:14.160 --> 00:23:16.240
Everybody had a great fucking.

472
00:23:15.960 --> 00:23:17.960
Time, Yes, exactly.

473
00:23:18.400 --> 00:23:20.359
And I find that a lot of people in the

474
00:23:20.400 --> 00:23:24.319
States they call us brainwashed for saying ship like this.

475
00:23:25.240 --> 00:23:29.240
You're brainwashed by listening and treating these politicians like the

476
00:23:29.440 --> 00:23:33.000
rock stars and you're fan growing or fan going out and.

477
00:23:33.279 --> 00:23:36.240
Thinking they have actually give us ship. I have this thing.

478
00:23:36.680 --> 00:23:39.839
They're two sides of the same coin and they're on

479
00:23:39.960 --> 00:23:42.400
the same team, and it ain't fucking mind.

480
00:23:42.559 --> 00:23:43.359
Yeah, yeah, I.

481
00:23:43.359 --> 00:23:45.880
Don't care what side of the political offense you're on,

482
00:23:46.240 --> 00:23:48.000
any of them, doesn't matter.

483
00:23:48.440 --> 00:23:53.960
Yeah, self same self manipulating for self interest, and that's it.

484
00:23:54.240 --> 00:23:56.640
So it's like, okay, well then if we're if you're

485
00:23:56.680 --> 00:23:59.519
all on the inside, you're on the elite, and you're.

486
00:23:59.359 --> 00:24:02.119
All in, well then we'll be a happily on the outside.

487
00:24:02.279 --> 00:24:02.960
So we'll do.

488
00:24:02.960 --> 00:24:05.559
All things and you do yours, and.

489
00:24:05.519 --> 00:24:07.839
So you do yours and you'll be happy with and we'll.

490
00:24:07.720 --> 00:24:08.720
Be happy exactly.

491
00:24:08.839 --> 00:24:10.960
I'm trying to go shortly st I'm trying to you know,

492
00:24:11.440 --> 00:24:15.559
read from it, you know, like that sometusic. The industry itself,

493
00:24:15.839 --> 00:24:19.000
the music industry itself is leading of the artists and

494
00:24:19.039 --> 00:24:22.000
the fans. It's like, bro, do we need to do that?

495
00:24:22.279 --> 00:24:23.960
Do you need to do that? I don't you need

496
00:24:24.039 --> 00:24:26.519
to do that. A profit is a profit. Ten books

497
00:24:26.559 --> 00:24:27.079
is a profit.

498
00:24:27.640 --> 00:24:30.200
A thousands, great, but if you mean ten you mean

499
00:24:30.240 --> 00:24:32.839
a probit. Do you have to take everything from everybody.

500
00:24:32.880 --> 00:24:37.160
And well, that's why I have a problem with Spotify

501
00:24:37.319 --> 00:24:42.480
as an example, and that's I mean, yeah, exactly, I

502
00:24:42.519 --> 00:24:47.079
am not decided to Spotify. I pay licensing, I pay royalties.

503
00:24:47.119 --> 00:24:50.400
I pay more royalties than they do. Like there's something

504
00:24:50.519 --> 00:24:53.519
fucked up with that, yeah, you know. And then on

505
00:24:53.599 --> 00:24:57.839
top of it, you know, like the only way an

506
00:24:57.960 --> 00:25:00.599
artists I always say my shirt when I do interviews,

507
00:25:01.799 --> 00:25:05.480
buy the merch of the artist, or else don't fucking

508
00:25:05.519 --> 00:25:07.200
listen to my show, because that's the only way you

509
00:25:07.200 --> 00:25:09.519
get to the next gig, exactly, because you can't make

510
00:25:09.599 --> 00:25:11.680
money any other way any fuel in.

511
00:25:11.720 --> 00:25:14.680
You're gotta eat something and you're gonna get exactly. Nobody's

512
00:25:14.680 --> 00:25:16.119
getting rich off of it.

513
00:25:16.200 --> 00:25:19.160
They know where to do it without that support, without

514
00:25:19.200 --> 00:25:20.160
that financial support.

515
00:25:20.240 --> 00:25:22.079
And if that's buying a teacher, then buy.

516
00:25:21.960 --> 00:25:23.319
A teacher exactly.

517
00:25:23.599 --> 00:25:26.160
And the lower level vans, you know, you're buying a

518
00:25:26.200 --> 00:25:29.519
teacher with twenty books. Okay, you might get fifty books

519
00:25:29.559 --> 00:25:32.160
for a big van because there's some kind of colprid

520
00:25:32.319 --> 00:25:35.400
thing being added to that. But the Band of Pleasure

521
00:25:35.440 --> 00:25:38.440
local troupe, just go buy this ship, see the shoe.

522
00:25:38.640 --> 00:25:41.200
That's the only way they eat you know.

523
00:25:41.240 --> 00:25:44.000
Well, helping them to keep you alive, and that's what

524
00:25:44.160 --> 00:25:44.440
you're doing.

525
00:25:44.519 --> 00:25:47.279
Well, there's obviously you know, buying the merch is a

526
00:25:47.359 --> 00:25:50.079
huge help, you know, And as a fan wanting to

527
00:25:50.079 --> 00:25:53.039
buy merch, I think is is kind of ingrained, at least.

528
00:25:52.920 --> 00:25:53.440
In my mind.

529
00:25:53.839 --> 00:25:56.759
Well, one thing I'm I personally think I'm seeing is

530
00:25:56.799 --> 00:26:01.119
that people are sick of paying money and not only anything, Yeah,

531
00:26:01.160 --> 00:26:05.480
your subscription models. When a company like Apple can decide, well,

532
00:26:05.519 --> 00:26:07.880
these two albums by your favorite band we're not gonna

533
00:26:07.880 --> 00:26:12.920
have on our streaming platform because for whatever reason. And

534
00:26:13.000 --> 00:26:15.119
so you're paying fifteen or twenty dollars a month and

535
00:26:15.160 --> 00:26:16.880
you can't have that, So now you got to go

536
00:26:16.920 --> 00:26:21.200
buy it anyway. People are realizing, oh, I don't own this.

537
00:26:21.319 --> 00:26:24.000
I'm essentially giving you money for.

538
00:26:23.920 --> 00:26:25.519
Nothing the right to listen.

539
00:26:25.799 --> 00:26:27.440
Yeah, so now you.

540
00:26:27.359 --> 00:26:30.000
See things like CD sales spiking and vinyl sales have

541
00:26:30.039 --> 00:26:33.960
been spiking for the last decade. People want to hold

542
00:26:34.000 --> 00:26:34.279
it in.

543
00:26:34.240 --> 00:26:38.200
Their hands, tend it up and own it, and it's mine.

544
00:26:38.599 --> 00:26:39.119
I get.

545
00:26:39.359 --> 00:26:42.160
I have a stack of vinyls that when I leave

546
00:26:42.200 --> 00:26:44.240
to serve, that's going to my kids.

547
00:26:44.359 --> 00:26:45.839
Yeah, yeah, you know.

548
00:26:45.920 --> 00:26:48.160
I would think about that, would couldn't seeing that. I

549
00:26:48.160 --> 00:26:48.920
think it's interesting.

550
00:26:48.920 --> 00:26:52.079
It's like paying I don't know, fifty books, twenty books,

551
00:26:52.079 --> 00:26:54.599
one hundred books, two or their looks blood stuffing you

552
00:26:55.079 --> 00:26:57.200
coming yereah. And then I go, I'm gonna go and

553
00:26:57.279 --> 00:26:59.839
watch whoever it is. I'm gonna watch it never more.

554
00:27:00.160 --> 00:27:02.880
And then they go, right, how many songs do you

555
00:27:02.880 --> 00:27:05.640
want to hear? We'll put these plugs in so you

556
00:27:05.680 --> 00:27:07.759
can't hear any but how many do you want to

557
00:27:07.799 --> 00:27:08.119
listen to?

558
00:27:08.839 --> 00:27:09.319
All of them?

559
00:27:09.480 --> 00:27:12.319
Okay, so that one's like about fifty. That's about fifty.

560
00:27:12.359 --> 00:27:14.119
That was about and I go, all right, so I've

561
00:27:14.119 --> 00:27:15.599
got to pay a year, well, depending on how many

562
00:27:15.640 --> 00:27:16.519
songs you want to listen to.

563
00:27:16.640 --> 00:27:18.640
It's like, but I pez to come in. Can't I

564
00:27:18.720 --> 00:27:19.559
just hear them? And say?

565
00:27:19.839 --> 00:27:22.119
No, really you can write exactly?

566
00:27:22.279 --> 00:27:25.960
The model is that it's like it's it doesn't do

567
00:27:26.119 --> 00:27:27.039
anything for the artist.

568
00:27:27.160 --> 00:27:28.599
You're just taking money for nothing.

569
00:27:29.079 --> 00:27:32.200
And how can someone, you know, a massive artist, a

570
00:27:32.240 --> 00:27:35.640
massive artist can like four a million.

571
00:27:35.359 --> 00:27:38.480
Streams on it and get like fifty fifty books exactly?

572
00:27:38.680 --> 00:27:39.519
How is that?

573
00:27:39.880 --> 00:27:42.440
It's insane? It's insane.

574
00:27:42.519 --> 00:27:43.119
It's the money.

575
00:27:43.119 --> 00:27:43.880
Where was the money?

576
00:27:43.960 --> 00:27:46.279
And remember when the laws came on. But then that

577
00:27:46.440 --> 00:27:46.880
stort of thing.

578
00:27:46.960 --> 00:27:49.559
Oh he was right, I said all the time.

579
00:27:49.559 --> 00:27:52.079
Exactly I was. I was the only person that I

580
00:27:52.160 --> 00:27:54.440
knew and know. Yeah, I can see what he means.

581
00:27:54.680 --> 00:27:56.839
And everybody slagged him off there with all of it,

582
00:27:56.880 --> 00:27:58.480
how much money he wants to want to wreck.

583
00:27:59.000 --> 00:28:02.640
And it wasn't about because I was right too. It

584
00:28:02.680 --> 00:28:05.720
was about, like he said, it's the control of.

585
00:28:05.640 --> 00:28:06.839
When we released that song.

586
00:28:06.880 --> 00:28:09.359
If you want to trade that song and tell your

587
00:28:09.359 --> 00:28:11.920
friends about it and give it away after you buy it,

588
00:28:12.559 --> 00:28:16.000
we don't care about that. We only care about how

589
00:28:16.039 --> 00:28:20.079
we're allowed to present that song to our fans. The

590
00:28:20.160 --> 00:28:22.680
mixes that were on Napster, the things that were being

591
00:28:22.799 --> 00:28:27.319
tape traded on Napster were unfinished, rough mixes, missing parts.

592
00:28:27.400 --> 00:28:30.920
And that was the argument, and that's what got lost

593
00:28:31.119 --> 00:28:34.720
in the in the discussion of what was going on.

594
00:28:35.319 --> 00:28:36.839
And yeah, Lars was right.

595
00:28:37.240 --> 00:28:40.720
Yeah, And when people forget they give him a lot

596
00:28:40.720 --> 00:28:44.400
of shit. But Lars and the rest of Metallica were

597
00:28:44.599 --> 00:28:48.920
poorer than poor for many years. They paid their fucking dues,

598
00:28:49.759 --> 00:28:52.119
you know, it's not like they woke up and they

599
00:28:52.160 --> 00:28:53.039
were millionaires.

600
00:28:53.119 --> 00:28:55.319
Yeah, And the thing is just because they were smart

601
00:28:55.400 --> 00:28:57.720
enough to be advised to go, you should form a

602
00:28:57.799 --> 00:29:00.319
company and put the money through the company in actually

603
00:29:00.319 --> 00:29:02.680
do it as a business. Because they were smart enough

604
00:29:02.720 --> 00:29:04.200
to do that. It was going, all right, they're all

605
00:29:04.240 --> 00:29:06.720
about the money. It's like, no, they're still a band within.

606
00:29:06.880 --> 00:29:09.960
It's still their business, and it's still their livelihood.

607
00:29:10.039 --> 00:29:11.960
You see themselves business?

608
00:29:12.240 --> 00:29:15.319
Yeah, and how much expenses do they have too?

609
00:29:15.440 --> 00:29:16.200
Yeah, exactly.

610
00:29:16.240 --> 00:29:18.440
The bigger the band, the bigger the expenses.

611
00:29:18.640 --> 00:29:21.160
You're going to you're going to complain about Metallica, who's

612
00:29:21.160 --> 00:29:23.319
got a lot of money. You are really made because

613
00:29:23.319 --> 00:29:24.799
they were smart enough to set the business.

614
00:29:25.000 --> 00:29:27.799
But not this man Teve Purple, let's here, who.

615
00:29:27.680 --> 00:29:30.119
Made no money because the company sold all the money. Well,

616
00:29:30.759 --> 00:29:32.240
which almost the smartest one.

617
00:29:32.079 --> 00:29:35.559
Then, exactly, Like I remember back in the day of

618
00:29:35.640 --> 00:29:38.680
the sunset strip days and the record labels throwing money

619
00:29:38.720 --> 00:29:42.440
at these bands, but they were also throwing the drugs

620
00:29:42.480 --> 00:29:44.839
and the women and everything else so they could steal

621
00:29:44.960 --> 00:29:46.000
all that money back.

622
00:29:46.319 --> 00:29:49.160
Yeah, like they didn't. They didn't get to keep that money.

623
00:29:49.240 --> 00:29:51.480
A million books, of course you can because you have

624
00:29:51.519 --> 00:29:54.559
a jollity and maybe like one hundred thousand. So you've

625
00:29:54.599 --> 00:29:57.000
been dead to me forever, out all all of your

626
00:29:57.039 --> 00:29:59.920
still for perpetuity a long after you're gone, as to.

627
00:29:59.880 --> 00:30:02.839
Be making money, the next person must be making money.

628
00:30:02.839 --> 00:30:06.240
We'll own it forever. You don't own it forever. Yeah,

629
00:30:06.319 --> 00:30:08.920
you want it for five minutes? And how you could out?

630
00:30:08.960 --> 00:30:11.400
Could somebody buy in an auction?

631
00:30:11.519 --> 00:30:11.640
Like?

632
00:30:11.640 --> 00:30:15.200
It did really bother me when Michael Jackson could buy

633
00:30:16.240 --> 00:30:20.319
outbid Paul McCartney for the rights of his music?

634
00:30:20.559 --> 00:30:26.400
Yeah, his music? What the like? No, if it's definitely crazy, Yeah,

635
00:30:26.440 --> 00:30:28.880
if it's your music, it's your fucking music.

636
00:30:29.720 --> 00:30:31.839
Like nobody should be able to have enough money to

637
00:30:31.920 --> 00:30:34.960
outbid you for your own creativity music.

638
00:30:35.039 --> 00:30:38.480
Yeah, yeah, it just biz.

639
00:30:38.759 --> 00:30:41.880
Yeah, but thank god we have bands like you guys

640
00:30:42.559 --> 00:30:45.759
who are fucking real rich who.

641
00:30:45.799 --> 00:30:46.920
And massive and.

642
00:30:48.880 --> 00:30:51.640
Sexy, warm, friendly, funny, funny.

643
00:30:51.799 --> 00:30:54.599
We can groove. We got done, says there you go.

644
00:30:55.759 --> 00:30:58.960
Web feat Yeah we got web beat. No great swim.

645
00:30:59.000 --> 00:31:01.000
Sometimes it just has to be real. We turned up

646
00:31:01.039 --> 00:31:03.640
with the first show. But this is closing because we've

647
00:31:03.640 --> 00:31:04.319
gone on too long.

648
00:31:04.359 --> 00:31:07.119
But we we we we were very fortunate enough to

649
00:31:07.119 --> 00:31:09.160
be offer to do the Black Label Society to have

650
00:31:09.240 --> 00:31:11.599
played and we turned up with the first show in

651
00:31:11.640 --> 00:31:14.079
Glasgow and they said, all right, you can set yourself

652
00:31:14.200 --> 00:31:14.640
up and stuff.

653
00:31:14.640 --> 00:31:16.200
And they came to me and said, like, where's your backdob?

654
00:31:16.240 --> 00:31:17.880
What backdob? You don't have a backdrop?

655
00:31:18.000 --> 00:31:18.039
No.

656
00:31:18.720 --> 00:31:21.440
It was like, oh right, I mean because like I said, well,

657
00:31:21.440 --> 00:31:22.440
why do I need a backdrop?

658
00:31:22.759 --> 00:31:24.200
I mean, we just didn't have one.

659
00:31:24.359 --> 00:31:27.119
So I had to play I'm cool about it at

660
00:31:27.160 --> 00:31:29.920
Leistai about what what you know, the backdrop is kind

661
00:31:29.920 --> 00:31:30.319
of important?

662
00:31:30.319 --> 00:31:32.160
I said, what for? He said, well, you know, so

663
00:31:32.240 --> 00:31:33.160
people know who you are.

664
00:31:33.279 --> 00:31:35.519
Said, there's only two fans on the bill, and we're

665
00:31:35.559 --> 00:31:39.519
not Black Label Society. Yeah, so I don't need a backdrop,

666
00:31:39.599 --> 00:31:40.880
And I said the USB.

667
00:31:40.920 --> 00:31:42.480
I said, yeah, I've got the intro in the US V.

668
00:31:42.640 --> 00:31:44.240
King or I can't use that if you got another

669
00:31:44.279 --> 00:31:45.599
media form, I said, don't, don't.

670
00:31:46.039 --> 00:31:47.759
We don't need an intro. Then, so what are you

671
00:31:47.799 --> 00:31:49.279
gonna do. We're gonna walk on.

672
00:31:49.240 --> 00:31:51.960
Stage, we're gonna plug in, and we're gonna stop playing.

673
00:31:52.400 --> 00:31:54.079
A concept that's roll.

674
00:31:54.319 --> 00:31:57.079
And people were coming up and going, even in reviews

675
00:31:57.119 --> 00:31:59.039
they were going they just kind of came on.

676
00:31:59.119 --> 00:32:01.519
There was no fan for they just started playing and

677
00:32:01.559 --> 00:32:02.640
then played it left and.

678
00:32:04.119 --> 00:32:06.480
The music was the thing now ideally did we want

679
00:32:06.519 --> 00:32:07.559
all that to look like that?

680
00:32:07.680 --> 00:32:12.240
And belet know, it was a practical situation, but the

681
00:32:12.359 --> 00:32:14.920
music was the thing that carried out, and that's always

682
00:32:14.960 --> 00:32:16.920
the thing. All of the rest is the great time,

683
00:32:17.160 --> 00:32:19.599
but the music speaks to the people. The people speak

684
00:32:19.640 --> 00:32:22.519
to the music, and it's us together. You support us

685
00:32:22.599 --> 00:32:23.440
and we support you.

686
00:32:23.960 --> 00:32:28.640
And then the best part about your band, good human beings.

687
00:32:28.640 --> 00:32:30.920
Thanks man, that's the best part.

688
00:32:32.279 --> 00:32:35.000
But yeah, no, like Tony's saying, if you distill everything

689
00:32:35.039 --> 00:32:37.880
down to its base core, it's putting on a record

690
00:32:37.960 --> 00:32:40.519
or putting on a CD and hearing those songs. The

691
00:32:40.559 --> 00:32:43.160
first time I heard kill Them All, it wasn't at

692
00:32:43.200 --> 00:32:45.359
a Metallica concert. It was on a cdy little Sony

693
00:32:45.400 --> 00:32:48.839
Walkman portable with my earbud my headphones, and that's when

694
00:32:48.839 --> 00:32:51.000
I heard Metallica Kill them All for the first time.

695
00:32:51.400 --> 00:32:55.359
And so if you can still make people enjoy your

696
00:32:55.480 --> 00:32:57.400
show and lose their minds and Moss and all this

697
00:32:57.440 --> 00:33:00.200
great shit by just walking out and going here, it

698
00:33:00.240 --> 00:33:02.119
is and Metallica can do that.

699
00:33:02.160 --> 00:33:04.119
Metallic all those records store.

700
00:33:03.920 --> 00:33:06.079
I think are they show up and it's like fifty

701
00:33:06.119 --> 00:33:07.279
people and they play.

702
00:33:07.119 --> 00:33:08.079
And it's awesome.

703
00:33:08.440 --> 00:33:08.680
Yeah.

704
00:33:08.759 --> 00:33:12.000
The best part of Metallica's live show used to be

705
00:33:12.319 --> 00:33:13.200
Phil ten bagging.

706
00:33:13.400 --> 00:33:16.200
Oh yeah, yeah.

707
00:33:16.200 --> 00:33:18.200
It was like one of the best head beggars ever.

708
00:33:20.480 --> 00:33:23.480
Well, there's a business and it's a reality, and there's

709
00:33:23.480 --> 00:33:24.119
an honesty.

710
00:33:24.519 --> 00:33:25.720
Yeah, I like yourself.

711
00:33:26.119 --> 00:33:28.240
You just be honest. This is how it is, this

712
00:33:28.279 --> 00:33:30.359
is how we feel. This is what we do. And

713
00:33:30.400 --> 00:33:32.480
you can like it and you can dislike it.

714
00:33:32.680 --> 00:33:35.519
You can follow it, you cannot follow it. There's lots

715
00:33:35.519 --> 00:33:37.759
of varias and there's lots of choice, but at least

716
00:33:37.799 --> 00:33:40.519
it's real. It's really it's tangible. You can touch it,

717
00:33:40.599 --> 00:33:42.720
you can smoke it, you can eat it, you can

718
00:33:42.759 --> 00:33:43.240
smell it.

719
00:33:43.559 --> 00:33:46.119
But at least it's real. And that's what we want.

720
00:33:46.160 --> 00:33:48.480
That's what I wanted as a youngster, and that's what

721
00:33:48.559 --> 00:33:49.839
this generation.

722
00:33:49.440 --> 00:33:53.559
Wants, and that's what venom And gives answer. And I'm

723
00:33:53.680 --> 00:33:56.920
so happy I bumped into you at Bloodstock. That was

724
00:33:57.000 --> 00:34:02.039
fucking those kids met right there. I mean, and thanks

725
00:34:02.079 --> 00:34:04.359
for once again being on the adventures of pipe Man.

726
00:34:04.559 --> 00:34:05.319
Thank you so much.

727
00:34:05.319 --> 00:34:08.079
And don't forget this about this man. He is a

728
00:34:08.199 --> 00:34:10.840
king among king subscribe Is that is that what the

729
00:34:10.880 --> 00:34:11.239
kids say?

730
00:34:11.719 --> 00:34:11.920
Yeah?

731
00:34:11.960 --> 00:34:12.119
Right?

732
00:34:14.760 --> 00:34:18.039
And one of the biggest publicists in the United States.

733
00:34:18.119 --> 00:34:21.760
She named me long time ago, the King of all festivals.

734
00:34:21.960 --> 00:34:25.840
You are, Yeah, I mean that's a tag, that's a ta.

735
00:34:26.719 --> 00:34:28.039
Love you, guys, Love you.

736
00:34:28.119 --> 00:34:29.559
Thank you for taking the time for us.

737
00:34:31.159 --> 00:34:35.320
Thank you for listening to the adventures of pipe Man.

738
00:34:35.960 --> 00:34:39.400
I'm w for c u I Radio.