July 23, 2025

Blacklist Union New Music With Ozzy Osbourne Tribute, DOLL Jaws Shark Bait

Season 19, Episode 63 of The Adventures of Pipeman. Tune in at 1PM ET 7/23/25 to W4CY Radio at w4cy.com. Subscribe to The Adventures of Pipeman at https://www.spreaker.com/podcast/the-adventures-of-pipeman--941822/support In the first part of the...

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Season 19

Season 19, Episode 63 of The Adventures of Pipeman. Tune in at 1PM ET 7/23/25 to W4CY Radio at w4cy.com.

Subscribe to The Adventures of Pipeman at https://www.spreaker.com/podcast/the-adventures-of-pipeman--941822/support

In the first part of the show, we have a great discussion with Tony West Frontman of Blacklist Union who has officially released their latest single, “Up In Smoke,” a powerful anthem about letting go of the past and embracing the present.

Blacklist Union’s new album Slay the Dragon is scheduled for release in September 2025 and will be their sixth full-length release.

We got the news of Ozzy Osbourne passing away right before the interview, so we reminisced and discussed Ozzy and Black Sabbath, what he meant to rock music and heavy metal, shared stories, and paid tribute to one of the greatest legends, rock stars, and human beings of all time.

Blacklist Union have built a reputation on their explosive live shows and unapologetically bold sound.

Frontman Tony West, known for his larger-than-life presence, took time out to dive deep into several transformative ayahuasca journeys in the heart of the Amazon, preparing for this next era of music.

Then, in the second part of the show, we transition to another great band, Canadian alt-rock powerhouse DOLL who is making waves this summer with the release of their biting new single “Shark Bait”, arriving just as the world celebrates the 50th anniversary of Steven Spielberg’s iconic thriller Jaws.

“Shark Bait” is the second track from their highly anticipated EP, "Better Days, Different Times", set for release on July 18, 2025.

With razor-sharp riffs and frontwoman Christina Kasper’s haunting vocals, the track explores emotional predators and the fight to stay afloat in a world full of teeth.

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This it's the pipe Man here on the Adventures of

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Pipe Man W four c Y Radio. And I'm here

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with our next guest who has some killer new music.

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So let's welcome to the show. Tony West from Blacklist Union.

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How are you, good man?

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Thanks for having me.

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Thanks, Oh, my pleasure, my pleasure. And so I love

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this new single you got up in Smoke and the

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video is pre killer. So tell us a little bit about,

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you know, your creative ideas of making this video.

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I mean, the.

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Song's about pretty much trying to stay in the moment,

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you know what I'm saying, and which is not a

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hard thing to do. I tell my kids like it's

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called the present because if you can actually stay in it,

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it's a gift, you know, And look at kids like

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kids are in the moment all the time, Like they

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don't have worries about you know, how am I going

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to pay this or what happened yesterday and stuff, you

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know what I mean. And we were all kids once

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and we all have that, you know, So that's kind

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of what that song's about. And you know so much,

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so many songs I've written about this hideous relationship thing.

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I went through all that, and that's partly influenced by that.

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But a lot of the songs I don't know if

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you know, but like I meant to the jungle a

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bunch of times with the Shapibo Indians and the Amazon

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and Peru, and so a lot of these songs are

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inspired by by those journeys and that you know, spiritual

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aspect of life.

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Yeah, I'd like to hear more about those journeys because

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they were, uh, as far as I know, a big,

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big part of healing a lot of your past to

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be able to be in the present. And so I

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want to hear about your journeys with it, because you know,

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everybody has a different journey, and I'm always curious, you know.

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You know, I had a gnarly you know childhood. I

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grew up in New York and all that and came

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to LA as a teenager and like teenage runaway basically,

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and you know, I went through a lot of things

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and I lost a lot of people, man, like my

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my girlfriend was killed in a car accident on the

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road and my first his wife died and then the

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back to Momo record, you know, the fourth record I

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wrote with Todd Youth, who you know, I knew him

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since I was fifteen and he was my good friend.

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he was all over. I mean, he played everyone from

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and he died. And when he died October twenty seven,

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twenty eighteen, I was like, man, I can't let this

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ruin my life, because you know, my wife's death and

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my girlfriend's death like that shit ruined. I'm not, but

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it destroyed my life. I let it destroy my life.

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shit doesn't really help either. But anyway, when Todd died,

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and I started researching in hardcore and I found the

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does this And it's the Shappibo Indians in the Amazon

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jungle in Peru. So you know, that's was the beginning

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of the deep, deep spiritual healing and that stuff, you know,

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you know, for the most part sober. And when I

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I can't do drugs, Like I don't do drugs, and

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they're like, this isn't drugs, Tony, this isn't medicinea because

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they couldn't speak any English, and and I was like okay,

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and they were right. And you know there's people who say, oh,

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I've done mushrooms or I've done this and that, and

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ayahuasca is you cannot compare it to anything. It truly, truly,

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truly is medicine, and it truly does take you to

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those other realms, these spiritual realms that we all know about,

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although we just forgot about because we've been so long

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but man, you know, it was deep seated sorrow. And

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like my first intention I remember, you have to have

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an intention every time you go do a ceremony, and

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my first one was to see all my people that

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are no longer here on this realm, and man, I

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saw all of them plus more.

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stuff is just so deeply profound and beautiful. And you know,

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the Letters from the psych Ward record is all about that,

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and so is this new one coming out, Slay the Dragon.

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You know, it's all about that deep, deep shit.

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That's that's pretty cool, man, because I know a lot

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of people even there's another band, and my mind's drawing

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blank right now because I'm like, I'm sure you know

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we're doing this interview now, and Ozzie just passed, you know,

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which is.

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people that saved my life as a kid. I was

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just telling, you know, or my assistant here, and dude,

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to be like right, we just had that and you know,

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definitely cried when I heard the news. And but you know,

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you could see he was not well. But I saw

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some pictures of Sharon from the event and I was like,

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oh god, he's dying. And I just saw that from her,

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not even from him. You know what I'm saying. It's

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weird because that day I was practicing vocals and you know,

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usually sing like twenty songs. I know Ozzy. I studied

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Ozzy like deep. You know, I could sing any Sabbath

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song man and with Ozzy, and you know, I studied

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him deep, and he's such a big.

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it's like what the fun you know.

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just everything and even now I'm thinking of all the

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different things and it all makes sense. And I said

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years ago before he was even ever sick. But when

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you know, Sharon kept trying him to retire. I'm like, man,

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if he retired, he would probably pass away because he

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loves the stage and the whole. He loves all of

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it so much, you know, And you know it's funny.

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I went a similar pack to you, because you know,

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I grew up in Jersey. I was born New York.

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One day, not in nineteen eighty, my dad comes up

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to me, he goes, pack your bags. We're moving to

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California in three days.

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Wow. And so where California did you move to?

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La So I lived that whole metal scene, the Sunset Strip,

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Troubadour Country Club. First first club show I ever went

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to in my life was Motley Crue before they even

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had an album, when they were like horror punk, and

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he was at the Roxy and they were trying to

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burn the Roxy down to bring Satan and I'm like,

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oh my god, I'm never going to a real concert

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ever again. That's the greatest thing I ever saw, you know,

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type of thing, you know. And then I did go

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to what was it. I think it was eighty two.

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Ozzie played. I think it was The Forum, and I

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told my dad I was sleeping over my bro's house.

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He told his parents he was sleeping over my house,

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you know, the typical thing. And we went to Ozzy show.

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he died, so I got to see Randy and then

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weirdest thing happened. We get home and I'm living in

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like Lakeland Duo and Agra and I'm at the bottom

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by the lake. So my parents went and my dad

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wouldn't see us and stuff, and my next door neighbor

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comes out. She sees us with all the Ozzie swagon

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and she goes, hey, boys, were you just at the

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Ozsy concert? And we're like yeah, and we're like, oh fuck,

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we're in trouble now. And she goes, wait there, I'm

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gonna get my husband and so we're like, oh crap.

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Husband comes out, brings us up to the house. He

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had a studio in the house. Wall the wall caseet tapes.

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like wild And then I did I had a history

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class at a Gora High that the only project we

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had to do was an oral report on anything anybody,

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and I did mine an Ozzy and gun a. So

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the Ozzie runs deep here too.

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There's just no words, dude.

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Oh I don't even know, but.

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Really it actually does. I mean, my heart hurts, actually

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you know what I mean? Because yes, so much for me,

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you know, and so many others, I mean, everybody, And

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I was so loved, Like he was loved, dude, for

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all his kookiness and all his stuff, Like he was

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just accepted in love. Like that's a beautiful thing, you.

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Know, totally, Like who would ever imagine, Like even you

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think about him even lasting as lung as he did,

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who would nobody would have ever imagined he lasted as

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long as he did, that all the shenanigans that he

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got involved in. But I think I know, right.

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I love the one story where there was protesters at

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his concert and he was wearing a dress and a

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wig and he got into the crowd and was protesting

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with them, and.

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Ship like that's so oddsy too, man, Like, it's just

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so amazing, And even right down to the end with

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the sense of humor, you're talking about how funny he was,

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Like I'm sure he saw when Sid proposed to Kelly,

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but before he got it out of his mouth, he's like,

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you know, fucking marrying my daughter, like right to oh man,

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so wild. But I love your concept of your music

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and using that hyahuasca journey because it's kind of like

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music is the best therapy there is in my opinion,

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and so now you're taking everything to me that started

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to heal you and put it into your music so

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we can all heal too.

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That's exactly right, dude, and I love you.

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These last two records have really hit harder, way harder

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than our previous things, because everything's a frequency and a vibration,

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you know, and and people don't know exactly why it

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might be hitting them harder, but it's true. Like my

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my friend calls it medicine music, you know, therapeutic. And

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the way I write shit also for myself, is the

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reminders on how to deal with.

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Things, you know what I mean.

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Like, you know, I'm not floating away like Gandhi, and

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you know, the staying in the moment thing is practice

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just like music, just like yoga, you know what I mean.

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And some moments are easier than others and so forth.

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But well, I'm also I'm an evational speaker and I'm

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a firm believer. Like it's it's not easy to be positive,

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like you don't just wake up and you're like that,

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it takes work, you do. It's much easier to be negative,

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you know, for sure, listening to.

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This dude, doctor Joe Dispensa. Have you heard of him.

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I've heard the name, but I haven't heard his stuff.

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Amazing, dude, Like it's basically rewiring your brain. Like you know,

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someone like me who grew up in this abuse verbally abusive,

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physically abusive, you name it, you know home as a child.

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That stuff sticks in your brain.

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Man, Like, yeah, told me what I'm saying.

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Like, you know, I told bad things about myself as

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a kid, and like believed that stuff. And I remember

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one time, you know, this therapist was like, you.

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Know that's a lie, right, So it's I love that she's.

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Like I remember I went to say something and I

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cry because no one ever said that to me before.

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But you know, yeah, it's rewiring this dude. Doctor Joe

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despense is really great. He talks about, you know, rewiring

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in the power that we have. And it's funny because

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all the things he talks about I discovered on my

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own in the Ayahuasca ceremonies too, you know what I mean.

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And again again we all know these things, but we

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just forgot you know.

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Most yeah, well that's what happens. You know, you go

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through life and all this shit is thrown your way,

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and yeah, you do kind of forget because you get

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caught in the darkness sometimes.

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Right right, yeah, and it's not easy to get out

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sometimes either, you.

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Know, no, not at all.

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People never do you know, kills them.

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Yeah, exactly, which it's a blessing that you found. I

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always say to people, find what works for you, you know,

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Like even with my kid, you know, I had this

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horrific childhood that I gravitated to motivational speakers like I was.

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I was listening listening to Tony Robbins and Niams books

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when I was eleven years old, you know, and that

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was my like way to kai deal. And then the

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mash bit has always been my way of dealing.

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Oh yeah, walk was huge. Yeah for me. Punk rock

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was saved my life.

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Punk rock, no doubt.

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Man.

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It's like people don't get it with the mosh pit.

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It's not about going into hurting main people. It's about

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going in getting your shit out so you don't hurt

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and name people on the outside.

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That's exactly right. But then you know, I remember as

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a kid, you know, all the jock I call it

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jock rock, like some of the hardcore, like you know,

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they be swinging and stuff and like punching kick in.

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like the circle pit, the camaraderie, the family, the somebody

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falls you pick them up, like and it's just listen.

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When I've had shit happened in my life, like really

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like deaths and deep shit, I go into pit and

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just let it all out there, you know, no doubt.

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So you got the album dropping in September, Slay the Dragon.

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What else can we expect from that? Out them?

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You know, up and spoke. Everybody's got to check out

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the video. It's cool as hell.

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Just videos. We just shot two new videos over the

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weekend and Houston. Uh man, there were long days too.

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Those were like twelve hour day Saturday and someday. For

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the next singles, it's called Dying for You is the

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next single, and the one after that is called can

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You Heal Me? And then there's twelve originals on the

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new record. There's no covers. We haven't done any covers

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for this record, but there's some good deep cuts. Man.

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There's one called do It for the Song that we

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added to our set, which is just amazing. And you

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know the last two records too, is you know, our

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our rhythms, you know, have become a niche of our sound.

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You know that the drums in the in the bass,

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and I'm big on Tom drums man, because like Tom

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drums bring like it has the Indian you know aspect,

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you know, and yeah, spiritualness to it and stuff. But man,

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it's a kick ass record and I'm really proud of it.

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So and I wrote this one again with Chris Johnson,

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our producer who's produced all our records. This is gonna

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be our sixth and after Todd died, you know, I

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tried to find a songwriting partner and you know that's

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like trying to find a wife and what you call it.

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I just said to Chris, our producer, was like, why

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don't we just write the record. I mean, you know

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our sounds. You know my voice better than anyone. He

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helped me develop my voice basically, So you know, me

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and him wrote, Chris Johnson wrote, Me and him wrote

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the whole Letters from the Psych Word record and this

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record Slate the Dragon. Although I did write a few

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songs with our manager Paul Crosby, who used to be

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in Saliva.

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So nice. Yes, I saw about that. That's pretty cool too,

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And I do love the like Indian drumming type of thing.

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I always have. Like I remember, even when I wasn't

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supposed to like them, way back in the eighties, I

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was totally into like Adam and the Ant, not Adam An,

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but Adam and the Ant.

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Yeah yeah and.

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Bow wow wow because of that same drums stuff. Right,

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Like you listen to songs like Dog Eat Dog and

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Ant music, the drums in that is just so killer,

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you know. Yeah, So tell everybody how they hit you

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guys up on socials on the web, uh, you know,

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check out all your new music, check the old stuff out,

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merch tour date, it's all that time.

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We're on everything across the board, all all platforms, and

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you can find us on Spotify. We have plenty of

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killer videos on YouTube. And like I said, this is

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gonna be our sixth record full length. You know, we

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have a lot of music out there and a lot

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of stuff. But you know, I do want to say

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one thing, you know, with Ozzie dying and all this

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stuff is like, you know, back in the day, you know,

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Ozzie gave people like Motley chances or you know, he

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brought people on the road that no one heard of

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and you know people did that, you know what I mean,

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back in the day. And like you know, I've been

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saying lately, like you know, I'm sure Stephen Tyler and

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Joe Perry are going to do another Aerosmator. It's just

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going to be inevitable, you know. But like even Angus

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from ac DC or six from Motley or Duff and

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Slash and Axel and Del James Axle's right hand man,

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and like, you know, please give Blacklist Union a chance

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and take us on the road, you know, with you guys,

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and so we can carry the torch of rock and roll.

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And because there's people that know about us, but there's

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lots of people that love rock and roll that still

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don't know about Blacklist Union, you know what I'm saying.

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So I've been saying to these people, like, please give

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us a chance, like we won't let you down. And

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you know, it's not only the music you got. First

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of all, you gotta have the songs, and you gotta

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have I always say, you got to bring the wow

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factor because if you don't have the wow factor that

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you're wasting your time. And you know, our live shows

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are better than the record you know, and that's what

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I work my ass off to be a good singer

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and stay in shape and all that stuff. But look,

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we're looking for someone to give us a break, whether

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it's even you know, the Steel Panther guys or the

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Buck Cherry guys or someone that will take us under

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their wing for a while and let us do direct

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support for them, you know, and to to create another scene,

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to create some rock and roll for everyone, for the masses.

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People need rock and roll. I have a thirteen year

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old daughter, dude, and she'll play me the ship she

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listens to. I'm like, what them like me? Because the lyrics,

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you know, I consider myself a word smith. I love

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writing rics, one of my favorite things. And you know,

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these people on so much new stuff, it's like they

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say this shit man, where it's just like it's about

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the dope, the bitches, the money, you know, whatever, these

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negative things, but they flat out say it. And I

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was telling my daughter, Miyah, there's a lot of way

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to say those things, but not saying it that way, like.

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You know what I'm saying totally.

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So people need rock and roll.

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Man.

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Look at the whole world's going to be affected by

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Ozzie Dying, you know what I mean, Like people want

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and need rock and roll now, especially in the UK

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and Europe and South America and Australia and stuff. The

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US is a little behind on.

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That shit, you know what I mean. Oh yeah, totally

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rock and roll.

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Like people skip LA entirely nowadays on their itineraries and stuff.

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You know.

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It's just it's not what it used to be, not

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when I was haunting LA. It's not like that. But

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I'll tell you what, it's wild too, to your point.

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So I do festivals all over the US, UK, Europe.

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Just got back from incarceration. That's why I have no voice.

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And and one thing I noticed over in Europe in

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the UK, yeah, his there are bands that I was

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into in the eighties that I thought were gone, and

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they weren't gone. They were just over there all this

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time because people love music so much, and you know,

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the creativity like of some of these bands, Like I

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was instantly thinking of you when you're just talking about

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like I just did hell Fest, and you have these

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bands like Hylong and you know other bands that are

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like spiritually based but like have this cultish following over there,

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and the coolest shit like that would probably be a

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good tour for you to get on with Hylung. Check

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them out if you've never checked them out. They're just

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h Ei l u n g h I l u

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n g okay, And they put on this show like

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even if you don't like their music, they put on

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this show that's absolutely insane. And people over there like

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they're like a cultish following for this band, like big time,

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you know. And I saw it kind of in you

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because of watching the video and the same type of

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spiritual thing and with the Hyahwa Waskin and all that

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just it all goes hand in hand. But I also

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do all the Danny Wimmer festival, and so I'm going

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to shout out right now in case Danny hears it himself.

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He's got to check you guys out, because he is

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the guy in the US nowadays that takes bands under

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his wing, you know, like it's wild. The festival I

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just did, which is at Shawshank Prison a few years back,

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this banned. Okay, they did the old school shit. They

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invaded the festival. They like pulled up into the parking

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lot and started playing. They're called Silly Goose Wimmer was

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out there when they were doing it, and they ended

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up playing the real stage the next day. And I've

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played a bunch of the festivals since. So I'm just

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bringing that out there in the universe for you.

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Thank you, sir, you got it.

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Any other last words you want to share with the

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lizards that we haven't covered already.

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Well, I mean, if you haven't heard Black List Union,

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check us out. If you love rock and roll, I

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always say, we have a money back guarantee if you

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buy our record. If you love rock and roll, you

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buy our record, you hate it guarantee.

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And I bet you never have to do that because people.

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Yet but there's always one guy, you.

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Know, right. But Yeah, I'm looking forward to all the

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new music and everything you're doing. I'm glad you're on

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this journey because I think the whole world needs this

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journey right now.

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They really do. Yeah.

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I always say, I don't know if you've noticed, but

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the world's gone batshit crazy.

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Oh listen. From traveling to outside the country, you just

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realize how crazy shit is too, you know.

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And was going to Peru. I remember the first time

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I was there, and like we were in these villages.

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I mean to get to the jungle is like a

450
00:23:42.519 --> 00:23:45.720
whole journey in itself. But these villages where I'm like,

451
00:23:45.720 --> 00:23:48.440
you know, these people have nothing, Like they have no

452
00:23:48.559 --> 00:23:51.720
windows where the windows go, there's no glass, there's no doors,

453
00:23:51.799 --> 00:23:53.119
And I'd be like, at first, I was like, these

454
00:23:53.160 --> 00:23:56.799
people have nothing, but they have everything because what they

455
00:23:56.799 --> 00:24:00.240
have is family and community and love and they take

456
00:24:00.240 --> 00:24:02.240
care of each other. Man, you know what I'm saying.

457
00:24:02.279 --> 00:24:04.720
Like I was like, wow, Oh, I told you know,

458
00:24:04.839 --> 00:24:07.759
because I go to Gsta Rica all the time surfing,

459
00:24:07.880 --> 00:24:11.039
and I go like way off the beaten path, you know,

460
00:24:11.200 --> 00:24:14.960
and the people like they have nothing nothing like you're saying.

461
00:24:15.000 --> 00:24:18.720
A Tico house has basically got It's like you're camping,

462
00:24:18.920 --> 00:24:23.079
you know, and they're always happy, right, and they're always

463
00:24:23.079 --> 00:24:26.480
doing stuff with family. And I saw that in Bali too,

464
00:24:26.680 --> 00:24:30.200
same thing. It's like, and you got we got it

465
00:24:30.200 --> 00:24:33.319
wrong here in the US, man, Oh, I'm telling you.

466
00:24:33.920 --> 00:24:37.079
Trying to survive and pay these crazy bills and all

467
00:24:37.079 --> 00:24:40.440
this stuff, the rents and the groceries and the gas

468
00:24:40.519 --> 00:24:43.079
and all the nuttiness, you know, and those people got

469
00:24:43.119 --> 00:24:45.880
it going on. They hardly have any possessions. They don't

470
00:24:45.920 --> 00:24:47.799
even need them. They don't care, you know what I mean?

471
00:24:47.880 --> 00:24:54.000
No, And you know, the whole disappearing like I always thought.

472
00:24:54.200 --> 00:24:57.480
You know, man, I love New York and the energy

473
00:24:57.519 --> 00:25:00.200
and the dad and the fast base, and I'm blah

474
00:25:00.200 --> 00:25:04.000
blah blah until I went to Costa Rica and like

475
00:25:04.240 --> 00:25:06.960
you're sitting there with the whole town walking to the

476
00:25:07.000 --> 00:25:11.640
beach two hours before sunset just to experience the sunset.

477
00:25:11.920 --> 00:25:12.440
That's it.

478
00:25:12.839 --> 00:25:15.440
Yeah, see we all lost that, like we lost.

479
00:25:15.240 --> 00:25:17.319
That shit here in the US, no doubt.

480
00:25:18.480 --> 00:25:19.759
Do you live in New York now?

481
00:25:20.279 --> 00:25:20.359
No?

482
00:25:20.480 --> 00:25:24.559
I live in South Florida, where it's really fucking crazy.

483
00:25:24.680 --> 00:25:29.079
What part I'm in wet near West Palm Beach. I

484
00:25:29.200 --> 00:25:31.680
live on this island called Singer Island, so I'm kind

485
00:25:31.680 --> 00:25:36.680
of separated from the crazies. But literally my studios in Wellington,

486
00:25:37.119 --> 00:25:41.319
so I have to drive by mare A Lago to

487
00:25:41.400 --> 00:25:45.400
get to my studio, and there's so many people I

488
00:25:45.480 --> 00:25:49.119
know that they need a hyahuasca ceremony because they are

489
00:25:49.240 --> 00:25:50.720
batshit crazy right now.

490
00:25:50.759 --> 00:25:53.720
Man, you know they do them in Costa Rica.

491
00:25:53.839 --> 00:25:54.079
I know.

492
00:25:54.240 --> 00:25:56.880
Well, that's what I was gonna mention earlier, but I'm

493
00:25:57.160 --> 00:25:59.599
drawing a blank. There's this band, I'll know it as

494
00:25:59.640 --> 00:26:03.319
soon as I you know, like hangou, I'm like, there's

495
00:26:03.359 --> 00:26:05.680
this band I've interviewed a couple of times. I've gotten

496
00:26:05.680 --> 00:26:11.240
friendly with him. He he owns a hyahuasca like thing

497
00:26:11.519 --> 00:26:14.000
in Costa Rica. In Costa Rica.

498
00:26:14.079 --> 00:26:15.000
Oh please let me know.

499
00:26:15.079 --> 00:26:18.039
Yeah, I'm gonna look it up when I remember, and

500
00:26:18.079 --> 00:26:22.400
then I'll email you info because he if nothing else

501
00:26:22.480 --> 00:26:24.960
good to connect with too, and maybe you guys can

502
00:26:25.000 --> 00:26:27.400
tour together since you're on that same journey.

503
00:26:27.440 --> 00:26:30.160
You know, he moves into it too. I went to

504
00:26:30.160 --> 00:26:32.480
see The Cult a couple of years ago, and Ian

505
00:26:32.519 --> 00:26:35.319
Astbury is a huge influence on me, especially as a kid,

506
00:26:35.400 --> 00:26:41.200
and he's always had that Indian spiritual kind of flair thing,

507
00:26:41.240 --> 00:26:43.279
you know, right. But I saw them play at the

508
00:26:43.319 --> 00:26:45.279
Greek Theater like two or three years ago, and he,

509
00:26:45.680 --> 00:26:49.519
in between songs said I want to thank Mother Ayahuasca.

510
00:26:49.559 --> 00:26:50.440
I was like, what the help?

511
00:26:50.880 --> 00:26:51.200
Whoa?

512
00:26:51.839 --> 00:26:52.079
Yeah?

513
00:26:52.119 --> 00:26:53.839
So he's hip to it. People are hip to it,

514
00:26:54.200 --> 00:26:58.519
and especially as an artist, like do yourself a favor

515
00:26:58.559 --> 00:27:01.480
and do it man, because it's so healing and it

516
00:27:01.880 --> 00:27:04.799
we're like instruments, you know, we have to stay in tune.

517
00:27:05.319 --> 00:27:08.960
And I always say, you know, like a drain for instance,

518
00:27:09.000 --> 00:27:11.559
you know, if a drain is clogged with like hair

519
00:27:11.599 --> 00:27:15.599
and all this shit, the water stops floating. Right, So

520
00:27:15.720 --> 00:27:19.200
if we're clogged up as humans with sorrow and pain

521
00:27:19.279 --> 00:27:21.839
and regret and remorse and resentment and all these things,

522
00:27:22.440 --> 00:27:25.720
we can't be a proper flow of energy. Because a

523
00:27:25.799 --> 00:27:28.319
true artist will tell you it ain't about me. Man,

524
00:27:28.440 --> 00:27:30.640
I'm just a channel, you know what I'm saying. But

525
00:27:30.759 --> 00:27:32.599
how the hell am I going to be a channel

526
00:27:32.759 --> 00:27:36.519
if I'm clogged up with all this pain? Dude, you can't,

527
00:27:36.680 --> 00:27:38.640
you can't be. And then you know, this is a

528
00:27:38.640 --> 00:27:41.680
whole rabbit hole. But then people take meds or whatever,

529
00:27:41.720 --> 00:27:44.359
like that's even, that's a whole thing. But I don't

530
00:27:44.440 --> 00:27:45.319
fuck with anything.

531
00:27:46.279 --> 00:27:51.599
But like, I'd rather do stuff like Ayahuaska than big

532
00:27:51.640 --> 00:27:54.039
for any big pharma share any day.

533
00:27:55.359 --> 00:27:58.680
I always say, you know, and this is from my experience.

534
00:27:58.759 --> 00:28:01.799
I know people need it. And I'm not a doctor

535
00:28:01.920 --> 00:28:04.960
by any means, never played one on TV either, But

536
00:28:05.079 --> 00:28:09.640
my experience has been that the pharmaceuticals are worse than

537
00:28:09.680 --> 00:28:13.000
street drugs, dude. And then no doubt because street drugs

538
00:28:13.000 --> 00:28:16.480
at least you in the two weeks, say maybe if

539
00:28:16.519 --> 00:28:19.599
you had a physical addiction or you know the depression

540
00:28:19.640 --> 00:28:21.839
that comes with the kicks and all that two weeks

541
00:28:21.880 --> 00:28:25.000
you're out of the woods with the med thing, six

542
00:28:25.039 --> 00:28:28.519
to nine months of losing your mind. Yeah, and that

543
00:28:28.559 --> 00:28:31.640
shit happened to me twice. And I'll never ever ever

544
00:28:31.759 --> 00:28:33.279
do anything like that again, you.

545
00:28:33.240 --> 00:28:37.039
Know, no doubt. And it's like even okay, so they

546
00:28:37.160 --> 00:28:40.920
keep legalizing marijuana everywhere, but they're doing the same thing.

547
00:28:40.920 --> 00:28:45.079
They're taking this man and this organic stuff and making

548
00:28:45.279 --> 00:28:49.839
mad science like man made science. The shits stronger, there

549
00:28:50.079 --> 00:28:52.880
more ways to do it. And then you see people

550
00:28:53.519 --> 00:28:55.799
yeah yeah, yeah, it's just like they're just zoned that

551
00:28:56.079 --> 00:29:01.039
or mine and it's not better, you know now that

552
00:29:01.119 --> 00:29:04.279
they have control over it, you know that to your point?

553
00:29:04.799 --> 00:29:05.680
Yeah, yeah, yeah, I know.

554
00:29:05.920 --> 00:29:10.119
Really well, thank god we got people like you and

555
00:29:10.319 --> 00:29:14.200
artists like you so you could be you know, a

556
00:29:14.319 --> 00:29:18.079
voice for all the rest of us. And I thank

557
00:29:18.119 --> 00:29:20.039
you for that, and thanks for being on the Adventures

558
00:29:20.039 --> 00:29:20.599
of Pipe Man.

559
00:29:21.079 --> 00:29:23.000
Yes, sir, thank you for having me. I appreciate it.

560
00:29:24.359 --> 00:29:27.799
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588
00:31:26.559 --> 00:31:29.160
really cool for our next guest, with some great new

589
00:31:29.279 --> 00:31:33.200
music that I love what it's about. So let's welcome

590
00:31:33.240 --> 00:31:35.559
to the show, doll. How are you good?

591
00:31:35.640 --> 00:31:36.960
Thank you so much for having me.

592
00:31:37.279 --> 00:31:40.440
Oh my pleasure. First, before we get into a new song,

593
00:31:40.519 --> 00:31:43.799
I just want to say your cover that you did

594
00:31:43.839 --> 00:31:47.519
of Smoke on the Water is absolutely killer. I kinda

595
00:31:48.200 --> 00:31:50.680
I kind of got like a doom metal vibe.

596
00:31:51.039 --> 00:31:54.039
Yeah, there is a bit of doom metal. Definitely down

597
00:31:54.119 --> 00:31:56.039
tune quite a bit. I think it's down to into

598
00:31:56.079 --> 00:32:00.880
like see a drop c Yeah, I know, absolutely a

599
00:32:00.920 --> 00:32:02.359
bit of a doom vibe for sure.

600
00:32:03.319 --> 00:32:07.680
So that was pretty cool. But shark Bait, now you

601
00:32:07.720 --> 00:32:10.799
know what I love about that? Okay. So I love

602
00:32:10.880 --> 00:32:13.599
the movie Jaws, as I know you guys do. So

603
00:32:13.680 --> 00:32:19.400
I have a trivia question for you, okay, and I'll

604
00:32:19.400 --> 00:32:23.759
give you a hint. I'm from New Jersey originally. Okay,

605
00:32:24.640 --> 00:32:29.920
So that movie is not based on Long Island. Do

606
00:32:29.960 --> 00:32:32.000
you know what it's based on?

607
00:32:33.640 --> 00:32:36.680
Yeah? I heard that. I think it was filmed in Jersey.

608
00:32:36.400 --> 00:32:39.759
Right, well it wasn't. I was filmed in Jersey. It's

609
00:32:40.279 --> 00:32:44.960
actually a true story that they made fiction. It's not

610
00:32:45.160 --> 00:32:48.000
about a great wait, it's actually about a bull shark.

611
00:32:49.000 --> 00:32:52.400
And it was a bull shark that attacked a family

612
00:32:52.720 --> 00:32:56.359
in the Manusquan River, not even in the ocean in

613
00:32:56.400 --> 00:32:57.000
New Jersey.

614
00:32:57.319 --> 00:32:57.559
Wow.

615
00:32:58.200 --> 00:33:00.400
Interesting, yeah know that?

616
00:33:00.680 --> 00:33:01.640
Yeah, I guess right.

617
00:33:01.720 --> 00:33:02.400
It's the ocean.

618
00:33:05.200 --> 00:33:07.799
We were swimming up in the in the lake and

619
00:33:08.160 --> 00:33:10.880
over here in Canada, Ontario, and there's like big snakes,

620
00:33:11.039 --> 00:33:15.359
black snakes in the water, like whoa, these big black

621
00:33:15.359 --> 00:33:17.200
cobra snakes. And the first time I saw this, I

622
00:33:17.240 --> 00:33:19.400
was like, oh my god, we're out there on a

623
00:33:19.440 --> 00:33:20.000
paddle board.

624
00:33:20.000 --> 00:33:24.039
I was like, yeah, yeah, you know what. Speaking of

625
00:33:24.039 --> 00:33:27.880
paddle boards, last week, I was paddleboarding right where I live.

626
00:33:28.640 --> 00:33:32.279
And I sometimes I'll do to escape the world, especially after,

627
00:33:33.119 --> 00:33:35.640
you know, I go on tour and I do coverage

628
00:33:35.640 --> 00:33:37.680
at music festivals, so I like to come home and

629
00:33:37.799 --> 00:33:40.039
just go out in the middy ocean and just chow

630
00:33:40.079 --> 00:33:43.279
away from the whole world, you know. And so I

631
00:33:43.359 --> 00:33:46.599
paddled out real deep on the horizon. I just was

632
00:33:46.640 --> 00:33:48.759
hanging out on the board, just sitting there, and I

633
00:33:48.799 --> 00:33:52.880
looked down and there were like five bull sharks that

634
00:33:53.079 --> 00:33:57.559
swam right under me. And I was like, Okay, maybe

635
00:33:57.599 --> 00:33:59.839
it's time to go in now. But they didn't even

636
00:33:59.880 --> 00:34:02.480
know noticed me. It was like they just swam right

637
00:34:02.559 --> 00:34:02.920
under me.

638
00:34:03.480 --> 00:34:06.920
Wow, I didn't know that there was that many over there.

639
00:34:06.960 --> 00:34:08.360
You wouldn't expect that, right.

640
00:34:08.719 --> 00:34:11.639
Well, I live in Florida now and we have more

641
00:34:11.800 --> 00:34:15.320
shark attacks than anywhere in the world. It's it's known

642
00:34:15.440 --> 00:34:19.280
for that. Like there's up north of me, New Smyrna

643
00:34:19.360 --> 00:34:24.599
Beach is known as like the most shark attacks anywhere

644
00:34:24.599 --> 00:34:25.159
in the world.

645
00:34:25.360 --> 00:34:28.360
On the regular trull too.

646
00:34:28.480 --> 00:34:31.119
When we were in Florida, I was like crocs everywhere.

647
00:34:32.039 --> 00:34:35.320
Yeah, well you probably saw the alligators. Yeah there are

648
00:34:35.480 --> 00:34:38.360
crocs too, but they're in like South South. But yeah,

649
00:34:39.119 --> 00:34:42.000
but the alligators are kind of chill. Like when you're

650
00:34:42.039 --> 00:34:44.800
not from an alligator area like I wasn't when I

651
00:34:44.920 --> 00:34:47.519
moved here, it kind of freaks you out. But now

652
00:34:47.559 --> 00:34:49.280
I know I could just walk right by them and

653
00:34:49.320 --> 00:34:51.639
they don't even acknowledge you're there.

654
00:34:52.119 --> 00:34:52.320
You know.

655
00:34:53.119 --> 00:34:55.719
Yeah, no, for sure as someone from Canada and you

656
00:34:55.760 --> 00:34:56.800
don't see that every day.

657
00:34:57.159 --> 00:35:01.320
No, no, But in the same to I'm not running

658
00:35:01.360 --> 00:35:05.519
into a Kodiak bear either, or a big brown bear

659
00:35:05.679 --> 00:35:09.559
or anything like that. So you know, it's funny how

660
00:35:09.599 --> 00:35:12.159
that works. Like, well, I was in Jersey, you know,

661
00:35:12.519 --> 00:35:14.719
I hate it. When I came here, I was like,

662
00:35:14.760 --> 00:35:17.199
oh my god, aligers. But now I'm here, I'm like

663
00:35:17.840 --> 00:35:20.440
welder or a lot more wild animals up there that

664
00:35:20.440 --> 00:35:22.679
I was worried about too. So it just doesn't matter

665
00:35:22.679 --> 00:35:23.199
where you are.

666
00:35:23.880 --> 00:35:25.719
There's wildlife everywhere.

667
00:35:25.559 --> 00:35:30.119
Exactly, and hopefully we keep it that way to be honest. Okay,

668
00:35:31.199 --> 00:35:35.199
so tell us about this new single, Shark Bait and

669
00:35:35.480 --> 00:35:39.639
why you guys are so into Jaws that you made

670
00:35:39.679 --> 00:35:42.559
a song that references that story.

671
00:35:43.360 --> 00:35:47.119
Yeah. No, obviously, big fans of the music of the movie.

672
00:35:47.159 --> 00:35:49.280
And it's cool. It's a fifty the anniversary the summer

673
00:35:49.440 --> 00:35:51.960
coincides really well. You know, we just kind of started

674
00:35:51.960 --> 00:35:55.159
off with like a fun kind of hardcore type of riff,

675
00:35:55.199 --> 00:35:56.920
you know, like we love a lot of the new

676
00:35:56.920 --> 00:36:00.960
bands coming out, like Scowl and what you know, I

677
00:36:01.000 --> 00:36:03.840
mean on the Sniffers and and and Gel and things

678
00:36:03.880 --> 00:36:05.960
like that. So we and then I don't know, like

679
00:36:06.000 --> 00:36:08.079
it just all came together very quickly, and it was

680
00:36:08.079 --> 00:36:11.400
like wanted to do something catching quick with with the

681
00:36:11.480 --> 00:36:13.880
chorus the shark bait, and we're like, let's just go

682
00:36:13.960 --> 00:36:17.800
with this theme and you know, make it super fun

683
00:36:18.000 --> 00:36:20.800
and you know funny, and when we we've got a

684
00:36:20.880 --> 00:36:24.199
music video coming out for it. Uh and it's the

685
00:36:24.320 --> 00:36:26.000
probably the dumbest music video.

686
00:36:25.840 --> 00:36:29.599
That but those are usually the best ones. I mean

687
00:36:29.840 --> 00:36:30.920
ones like.

688
00:36:30.880 --> 00:36:35.440
You know, homemade just just ridiculousness. Uh, you know, like

689
00:36:35.519 --> 00:36:40.079
we got play with sharks and Barbie dolls and and

690
00:36:40.119 --> 00:36:43.000
it's just it's just ridiculous. So it kind of embodies

691
00:36:43.039 --> 00:36:44.360
the song is just is just fun.

692
00:36:45.000 --> 00:36:49.320
I love that, but and I also love like there's

693
00:36:49.400 --> 00:36:52.599
also another take on it, like with everything going on

694
00:36:52.679 --> 00:36:55.280
in the world the way it is right now, it's

695
00:36:55.400 --> 00:36:58.599
very appropriate because we are definitely swimming in a world

696
00:36:58.679 --> 00:37:03.320
of sharks right now. Yeah, you know, so I like

697
00:37:03.400 --> 00:37:08.320
it all kind of comes together. It would be kind

698
00:37:08.320 --> 00:37:10.840
of cool. Maybe if you got you went out for

699
00:37:11.320 --> 00:37:15.199
the next video paddle boarding and encountered to shark.

700
00:37:15.800 --> 00:37:19.800
Yeah, yeah, that would be something. I have to take

701
00:37:19.840 --> 00:37:22.199
it to the ocean right like here where we are

702
00:37:22.440 --> 00:37:26.280
very kind of central central, so we just have lakes

703
00:37:26.280 --> 00:37:30.199
and stuff, and the most that we see is big snakes. Yeah,

704
00:37:30.280 --> 00:37:31.559
that would be something.

705
00:37:31.400 --> 00:37:34.000
I would probably freak out more about the snakes and

706
00:37:34.159 --> 00:37:37.280
sharks man because like I would see that thing, I'd

707
00:37:37.320 --> 00:37:40.280
be like, oh crap, and they can They're really faster and.

708
00:37:40.360 --> 00:37:43.559
Wow, they were faster than we were, Like they just

709
00:37:43.599 --> 00:37:47.280
like zip by us. Okay, that is okay, all right.

710
00:37:48.280 --> 00:37:52.320
So I was paddle boarding up near Orlando area and uh,

711
00:37:53.599 --> 00:37:55.960
I was with my daughter and her husband and they

712
00:37:55.960 --> 00:37:57.679
were way behind me, and then all of a sudden

713
00:37:57.760 --> 00:38:02.159
I saw something like, hey, guys, don't get too far

714
00:38:02.199 --> 00:38:04.599
from me. There was an otter chasing me.

715
00:38:04.880 --> 00:38:08.280
Oh okay, well it was I could deal with that.

716
00:38:08.760 --> 00:38:11.920
It was pretty cool to be honest. And ignorance is

717
00:38:11.960 --> 00:38:15.639
bliss because after it happened, I'm like Google and I'm like, oh,

718
00:38:15.760 --> 00:38:18.559
I guess I'm pretty lucky because apparently they're not. They're

719
00:38:18.679 --> 00:38:21.639
very territorial and they will come and like knock you

720
00:38:21.719 --> 00:38:23.760
off your power boy, and they could be very vicious.

721
00:38:24.000 --> 00:38:25.039
Really I hadn't.

722
00:38:25.639 --> 00:38:29.400
This one was just cruising like this, you know, and

723
00:38:29.519 --> 00:38:31.880
like just pass right by me, flying by me. I

724
00:38:31.880 --> 00:38:32.920
thought it was pretty cool.

725
00:38:33.480 --> 00:38:36.400
Yeah, they're super They're extremely fast and you see them

726
00:38:36.400 --> 00:38:38.079
at the zoos all the time, and you're like, oh,

727
00:38:38.079 --> 00:38:40.639
these are so cute. I never knew that they were.

728
00:38:40.760 --> 00:38:43.920
They could get aggressive because they don't put out that vibe.

729
00:38:44.239 --> 00:38:46.880
Yeah, you know, wild animals. You never know. I'm looking

730
00:38:46.920 --> 00:38:52.400
at thinking, oh, how cute. You know so but uh

731
00:38:53.239 --> 00:38:58.400
so what you also have the album dropping or in

732
00:38:58.440 --> 00:39:02.280
two days. Yeah, that's cool to tell us about the

733
00:39:02.280 --> 00:39:03.239
rest of the album.

734
00:39:04.840 --> 00:39:08.719
Yeah, so six songs coming out on Friday. It's gonna

735
00:39:08.760 --> 00:39:11.360
be everywhere, like on Spotify and all that stuff. And

736
00:39:11.599 --> 00:39:14.159
it is a little bit you know again, like we

737
00:39:14.159 --> 00:39:16.280
we have been together as a band for quite some

738
00:39:16.440 --> 00:39:18.679
time and we you know, we're in a little bit

739
00:39:18.679 --> 00:39:21.559
of a hiatus. And and the rest of the songs,

740
00:39:21.599 --> 00:39:26.440
you know again, like I myself, I love a wide

741
00:39:26.559 --> 00:39:29.360
range of music, right, Like I like your hardcore, your doom,

742
00:39:29.480 --> 00:39:32.320
your punk, your pop, whatever, right, I just pretty much

743
00:39:32.400 --> 00:39:35.480
like it all. And and this song, I hopefully, folks,

744
00:39:36.199 --> 00:39:38.679
we hope people like it. There's you know, a song

745
00:39:38.719 --> 00:39:42.800
that's a little bit more, you know, a little bit

746
00:39:42.800 --> 00:39:45.639
more on the hard rock side. We've got you know,

747
00:39:45.880 --> 00:39:47.960
a shark Bait that's a little bit more hardcore. Smoke

748
00:39:48.039 --> 00:39:50.239
on the Water that's a little bit more Doom, got

749
00:39:50.280 --> 00:39:52.840
some stuff that's a little bit more shoegaze, and then

750
00:39:52.960 --> 00:39:56.199
you know, maybe one or two kind of like slower

751
00:39:56.400 --> 00:39:58.760
indie rock, all rock kind of ballad. So it's a

752
00:39:58.800 --> 00:40:02.840
little bit definitely not all just one genre.

753
00:40:02.920 --> 00:40:06.199
And I love that people like it. Yeah, I love

754
00:40:06.239 --> 00:40:09.280
that because so first of all, I hate the whole

755
00:40:09.320 --> 00:40:13.519
genre thing as a metal head and punk from way back,

756
00:40:14.000 --> 00:40:18.280
it's like before it was just metal or punk or

757
00:40:18.519 --> 00:40:21.679
just rock, and now it's like it's almost like every

758
00:40:21.760 --> 00:40:24.199
band has to have its own genre or so many

759
00:40:24.280 --> 00:40:27.079
subgenres and micro genres, and then you have to be

760
00:40:27.199 --> 00:40:31.000
stuck to this like formula for whatever it is. And

761
00:40:31.079 --> 00:40:34.599
I think that's bullshit for an artist. Like to me,

762
00:40:35.559 --> 00:40:38.559
an artist is going to express themselves any way that

763
00:40:38.639 --> 00:40:42.159
it feels, not because it has to be to a genre.

764
00:40:42.719 --> 00:40:45.719
And I think, especially nowadays, like so many artists do

765
00:40:45.800 --> 00:40:48.039
sound the same because of that, you know, they use

766
00:40:48.079 --> 00:40:51.880
this like equation to make music. That I love artists

767
00:40:51.920 --> 00:40:55.119
like you that just take a mishmash of everything and

768
00:40:55.320 --> 00:40:57.840
just do what they feel exactly right.

769
00:40:57.880 --> 00:40:59.760
And that's kind of what we did with our first

770
00:40:59.760 --> 00:41:02.159
two albums as well, right, Like it's we were never

771
00:41:02.199 --> 00:41:05.440
really fit in a category, right, Like we we've played

772
00:41:05.519 --> 00:41:09.280
with you know, Hailstorm, and we've played with Jenny Torturers,

773
00:41:09.400 --> 00:41:11.760
and we played with Lacuna Coil and then we've played

774
00:41:11.760 --> 00:41:14.480
with like, you know, Spinnerette. Like it was all over

775
00:41:14.480 --> 00:41:17.000
the place. People never knew, like what kind of band

776
00:41:17.039 --> 00:41:17.400
are you?

777
00:41:17.599 --> 00:41:17.800
Right?

778
00:41:17.840 --> 00:41:20.679
So we're I love it though you're not.

779
00:41:21.079 --> 00:41:23.039
At least we don't have to be like, oh, well,

780
00:41:23.119 --> 00:41:26.000
you know, or just like punk rock band, like let's

781
00:41:26.079 --> 00:41:29.440
you're right, like we can kind of go anywhere because

782
00:41:29.559 --> 00:41:30.960
people expect that from us.

783
00:41:31.119 --> 00:41:34.639
We're hard to kind of well makes you stick out too,

784
00:41:34.840 --> 00:41:39.400
like because you know, you don't have uniqueness Otherwise nowadays

785
00:41:39.400 --> 00:41:42.760
there's like so many bands that you're lost in the

786
00:41:42.800 --> 00:41:44.400
sea unless you're unique.

787
00:41:44.719 --> 00:41:48.039
Yeah, absolutely, yeah, And it must be kind of boring, right,

788
00:41:48.199 --> 00:41:50.760
like I kind of you know, you're in a I

789
00:41:50.760 --> 00:41:55.000
don't know, thrash metal band and it's like, yeah, you gotta,

790
00:41:55.039 --> 00:41:57.599
you gotta. This is what your fan expect from unique.

791
00:41:57.800 --> 00:42:01.440
Every albums trying to make it fresh and it's difficult.

792
00:42:01.480 --> 00:42:04.000
And then whenever you get out of that mold right

793
00:42:04.039 --> 00:42:06.559
where some bands have tried to do that, the fans

794
00:42:06.559 --> 00:42:06.880
are like.

795
00:42:06.800 --> 00:42:10.400
Oh my god right, Well I was guilty of that

796
00:42:10.559 --> 00:42:12.800
long time ago. To I got smart, Like you know,

797
00:42:12.840 --> 00:42:15.920
when you're younger, you're stupid gatekeeper boll and It's funny

798
00:42:15.960 --> 00:42:18.800
you mentioned thrash because I'm an old school thrash metal head.

799
00:42:19.239 --> 00:42:23.079
So perfect example. I saw Metallica's first show ever, so

800
00:42:23.199 --> 00:42:26.639
when Black Album came out, I'm like, fuck you posers,

801
00:42:27.079 --> 00:42:30.599
like you sellouts, but now there's still my favorite band.

802
00:42:30.639 --> 00:42:33.280
And like, as you get a little older, you start

803
00:42:33.280 --> 00:42:36.119
to realize, Yeah, as an artist, it would be kind

804
00:42:36.119 --> 00:42:40.000
of boring, you know, to stay a garage band number one,

805
00:42:40.360 --> 00:42:42.760
and don't you want to get better at your craft?

806
00:42:42.920 --> 00:42:46.119
Like you know, Hetfield talks about how the San Jose

807
00:42:46.360 --> 00:42:50.440
Sharks you Seek and Destroy as a theme song, but

808
00:42:50.480 --> 00:42:53.440
they use the original version. He's like, why I use

809
00:42:53.480 --> 00:42:56.519
that version? My voice sucked then a munch much better

810
00:42:56.559 --> 00:42:59.840
singer now and we have a newer version they could use.

811
00:43:00.599 --> 00:43:02.800
Like I can see that, Like why would you want

812
00:43:02.840 --> 00:43:07.280
to stay a beginner or an amateur or you know,

813
00:43:07.519 --> 00:43:10.840
as you grow through the years, you're gonna get better

814
00:43:10.880 --> 00:43:14.440
at the craft. And yeah, like Olie from Bringing Me

815
00:43:14.519 --> 00:43:16.960
to Rise and said interview when they were giving so

816
00:43:17.039 --> 00:43:20.119
much crap about how much they were changing their music.

817
00:43:20.159 --> 00:43:21.800
He's like, why do I want to write the same

818
00:43:21.880 --> 00:43:23.039
song over and over again?

819
00:43:23.840 --> 00:43:25.519
And then when you look back on and you're like,

820
00:43:25.519 --> 00:43:29.400
oh my god, like that's that's the spirit is obviously

821
00:43:29.440 --> 00:43:33.480
different album, but it's great and it's right melonic and

822
00:43:33.679 --> 00:43:35.960
you could see the evolution, right, Okay, wow, I just

823
00:43:35.960 --> 00:43:38.400
clean vocals now and there's this right, So I think

824
00:43:38.400 --> 00:43:41.199
it always shocks folks a little bit at the beginning,

825
00:43:41.239 --> 00:43:44.039
but then give it five ten years, I'm like, oh, yeah,

826
00:43:44.079 --> 00:43:45.840
the Black Album is a great album.

827
00:43:45.559 --> 00:43:48.920
Right right exactly, you know, And when you think about it,

828
00:43:48.920 --> 00:43:52.239
it's like, well it was definitely much better musicianship and

829
00:43:52.320 --> 00:43:56.480
much better songwriting and stuff like that. You know. But

830
00:43:57.119 --> 00:44:02.199
when you're that loyal fan, and from the beginning, it's like,

831
00:44:02.280 --> 00:44:05.480
we have a hard time letting you grow. It's kind

832
00:44:05.480 --> 00:44:07.880
of like parents trying to let their kids grow up.

833
00:44:08.119 --> 00:44:12.400
Yeah, as individuals too, like we all are, our musical

834
00:44:12.480 --> 00:44:15.400
tastes evolved too, right, Like I still love a lot

835
00:44:15.480 --> 00:44:17.320
of stuff that I liked when I was a kid,

836
00:44:17.320 --> 00:44:19.199
Like I was a big fan of the Ryde Girls,

837
00:44:19.199 --> 00:44:22.280
and I still love l seven and Luna Chicks and

838
00:44:22.280 --> 00:44:25.199
and all those bands too, but you know you kept

839
00:44:25.239 --> 00:44:27.960
you again, like my kids are big into k POB.

840
00:44:28.000 --> 00:44:28.880
Now I don't.

841
00:44:28.639 --> 00:44:33.000
Mind CAPOB, right, you kind of like aay, we you know,

842
00:44:33.079 --> 00:44:34.719
we keep listening to a lot of this stuff and

843
00:44:34.760 --> 00:44:38.079
you kind of start expanding your horizons a little bit

844
00:44:38.119 --> 00:44:38.559
as well.

845
00:44:39.000 --> 00:44:42.400
Totally one. Is there anything else you want to share

846
00:44:42.480 --> 00:44:45.599
with the listeners about your music or anything you got

847
00:44:45.639 --> 00:44:47.840
coming up in twenty twenty five?

848
00:44:48.320 --> 00:44:50.800
Yeah, no, we're just again very excited if you're releasing

849
00:44:50.840 --> 00:44:54.199
the EP finally on Friday, you know, follow us on

850
00:44:54.400 --> 00:44:56.880
you can be able to listen to it on Spotify

851
00:44:57.000 --> 00:45:00.480
or all the the platforms usually go. And then you

852
00:45:00.679 --> 00:45:03.880
keep an eye out for our very silly music video

853
00:45:03.880 --> 00:45:06.719
shark Bait. I hope you like it and uh yeah,

854
00:45:06.920 --> 00:45:11.000
no just uh just yeah, just looking for looking forward

855
00:45:11.079 --> 00:45:13.639
to people to hearing it and commenting and letting us

856
00:45:13.679 --> 00:45:14.519
know what they think.

857
00:45:14.800 --> 00:45:16.639
Nice and how do they connect to you guys on

858
00:45:16.639 --> 00:45:18.519
the web on socials and all that stuff.

859
00:45:18.679 --> 00:45:22.000
Yeah, we're everywhere, right, Like we're on Facebook, Instagram, all

860
00:45:22.239 --> 00:45:23.639
band camp, all that good stuff.

861
00:45:23.639 --> 00:45:24.199
YouTube.

862
00:45:25.000 --> 00:45:27.400
It's so hard to be a band nowadays. Like in

863
00:45:27.920 --> 00:45:30.239
the old days, it was like you didn't have to

864
00:45:30.280 --> 00:45:31.199
do all that work.

865
00:45:31.760 --> 00:45:35.599
Yeah, no, yeah, now you've got to be everywhere, right,

866
00:45:35.639 --> 00:45:38.039
And they were like, should we be on TikTok? Nah,

867
00:45:38.119 --> 00:45:39.159
I don't know, I don't think so.

868
00:45:39.679 --> 00:45:42.400
I think you should start maybe with this new video

869
00:45:42.480 --> 00:45:44.800
because silly stuff works on TikTok.

870
00:45:45.039 --> 00:45:46.599
Yeah, maybe we'll be the shark dance.

871
00:45:47.039 --> 00:45:51.480
Yeah exactly. You can start a whole trend. Look at that, yo, it.

872
00:45:51.480 --> 00:45:53.599
Was really popular for baby sharks or who knows.

873
00:45:53.960 --> 00:45:56.440
Yes, see it could happen. And look at what happens

874
00:45:56.440 --> 00:45:58.599
to bring me a rise, and look at what happened.

875
00:45:58.639 --> 00:46:01.599
Can you feel my heart? Like, what was it? Five

876
00:46:01.760 --> 00:46:04.480
years later, all of a sudden, it's trending on TikTok,

877
00:46:04.559 --> 00:46:06.199
So you just never know.

878
00:46:06.320 --> 00:46:09.639
Yes, sleep with Mac right, they had the big research

879
00:46:09.800 --> 00:46:10.840
as well, just because of.

880
00:46:10.800 --> 00:46:14.639
A lot of them, no doubt. Well, you guys rock

881
00:46:15.039 --> 00:46:18.800
and everybody needs to check out the new songs and

882
00:46:18.880 --> 00:46:22.679
the new EP and two days, better days, different times,

883
00:46:22.960 --> 00:46:26.280
And thanks a lot for giving us great music, and

884
00:46:26.320 --> 00:46:28.079
thanks for being on the Adventures of Pipemin.

885
00:46:28.440 --> 00:46:29.679
Sounds good. Thank you so much.

886
00:46:29.719 --> 00:46:31.280
Have a good one you too.

887
00:46:32.480 --> 00:46:36.639
Thank you for listening to the Adventures of Pipelin.

888
00:46:37.239 --> 00:46:40.719
I'm w for Cui radio,