Aug. 2, 2026
Chaos, Sweat, and Shredding: Diabolisches Werk Talks Wacken and Death Metal Influences
In this episode of Podcast, Pipeman sits down with Pismark of German band Diabolisches Werk at Wacken Open Air. They dive into the nuances of language, the evolution of death and black metal, wild stories from legendary gigs, and the reality behind the musicianship in extreme metal. Pismark shares details about Diabolisches Werk’s music, band origins, and the creation of their latest album art.Main Topics Covered
- Pronunciation challenges and idioms in the German language (00:04 – 01:57)
- Comparing climates between Germany and Florida, and Wacken festival weather (02:07 – 02:56)
- Pismark’s previous Wacken experiences with Endstille (03:17)
- Musical influences: Possessed, Venom, Necrophobic (03:52 – 04:10)
- Early days of death and black metal, crossover shows, and band “brutality” (04:15 – 08:48)
- Musicianship in death metal vs. black metal (09:09 – 10:12)
- Diabolisches Werk’s online presence and where to find merch and music (14:54)
- The story and creative process behind the hand-drawn album artwork for “Against Our God” (16:16)
- Announcements of new material in the works (15:29)
- Pipeman struggles with pronouncing "Diabolisches Werk;" Pismark explains the name’s untranslatability due to its idiomatic roots (00:15 – 01:37).
- Discussion on language barriers and lost-in-translation humor (01:04 – 01:57).
- Nostalgia and surprise over the heat at this year's festival, with jokes comparing Florida’s notorious humidity to “hell” (02:09 – 03:06).
- Pipeman points out that Diabolisches Werk’s sound recalls the old school, like Possessed; Pismark confirms Possessed and Necrophobic as core influences (03:40 – 04:14).
- Discussion of genre labeling and legitimacy—how bands like Venom and Possessed are perceived versus modern interpretations (04:33 – 05:18).
- Recounting a notorious backstage fight between Kronos (Venom) and Tom Araya (Slayer) (05:18), confirmed in a recent Venom interview.
- Pipeman recalls being at historic crossover gigs: punks and metalheads mingling (and brawling), and the chaotic, no-security shows of the past (06:09 – 07:42).
- Pismark shares personal war stories from a Morbid Angel show—leaving with one shoe, a friend missing teeth, and general mayhem (07:52 – 08:13).
- Battle vests, blood stains, and memorabilia from the '80s (08:32).
- Pipeman dispels misconceptions about musicianship in extreme metal: “the musicianship was amazing” (09:14 – 09:38).
- Pismark discusses the technical demands of death versus black metal, praising the skill of genre pioneers (09:46 – 10:26).
- Mention that one Possessed guitarist later played with Primus (10:34).
- Conversation about paying homage to foundational acts—Slayer, Venom, Possessed (13:35 – 13:49).
- Thrash’s roots in punk and metal crossover, with insights into Slayer’s original lineup (12:50 – 13:06).
- Pismark describes the homemade creation of the “Against Our God” album cover, deliberately imperfect as a reaction to the AI-age (16:16 – 16:51).
- Emphasis on authenticity and flaws as a part of the metal ethos (16:55).
- “Death metal musicians are probably some of the best musicians there is, and that’s what I heard in your music.” – Pipeman (09:30)
- “I want to go the opposite way … making it imperfect, you know.” – Pismark on creating the album art (16:33)
- “You can tell it’s been through some brutality.” – Pipeman on his bloodied battle vest (08:44)
- “If you want to support us, check out our websites.” – Pismark (15:14)
- “When I listened then to Possessed for the first time, it’s like, okay, they are even more evil than Slayer.” – Pismark (11:59)
- Diabolisches Werk on Instagram & Facebook: Search for “Diabolisches Werk” to connect and follow updates (14:54)
- Bandcamp: Find music, vinyl, shirts, and patches by searching Diabolisches Werk on Bandcamp (15:02)
- Latest Album:Against Our God (released one year ago; new material in progress) (15:29)
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Because it's the pipe Man here on the Adventures pipe
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Man W four C Y Radio, and I'm here.
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With Pistmark from Diebis.
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See that's why I have band say their band name,
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because I don't want to butcher it. And I never
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would have been able to say that.
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Right, it's easy. It's diabolishes vac there it is. Yeah,
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I guess for a non German speaker, it's not that
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easy in a sea.
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Yeah.
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So it's funny because I dated a German girl from Lingoln.
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You know Lingoln?
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I guess it's somewhere in the Sol.
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I don't know.
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It's a small town, like two hundred and fifty kilometers
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from here.
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Oh yeah, yeah, I heard about it, but it never
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been there.
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So so I tried learning German to communicate with her,
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and she used to laugh at me all the time
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because I wasn't saying anything right.
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Yeah, I guess it's not the easiest language.
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No.
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And you know what she told me too, is it's like,
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because your language uses so may idioms that it's not
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really translatable. So you know what you're saying and we
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have no clue.
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Yeah, you're right, it's the same with our band name.
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You know. In the end, it's like like an idiom
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as well. You know, it's just a bit playing with
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words and stuff. And but that's pretty easy to make
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that in German. But you're it's it's not possible to
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translate it or.
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Something right, like you can tell me what it really
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is because it's not translable. And I think people don't
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realize that that there's some things that between languages you
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can't translate. That's why when you're trying to say something
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they laugh at you because it's not meaning what you
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think it's meaning. Absolutely, So here you are at Vakin.
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Did you expect it to be so fricking hot here?
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You're German, so it doesn't get this hot here, usually,
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does it? Yeah?
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Actually not, you know, I was. I grew up in
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this area here and actually yeah, it's it's never that
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that asshole as it's this year.
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So but I mean it's better than last year.
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Absolutely. I wanted to say, I absolutely prefer this instead
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of that a shitty weather less.
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Oh yeah, I'll take this over that for sure.
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I live in Florida though, and this is hot to me,
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and Florida is like what hot The closest you get
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to living in hell?
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It's Florida, all right, Yeah, I guess it's like but
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it's isn't it a similar climate? Are very humid?
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is ninety five percent. That's low humidity. It's pretty much
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one hundred percent all the time. Yeah, you know, so
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between the weather and the people, it is definitely hell.
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I can't mention it.
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So have you played Valking before?
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Oh, it's my other band. I played here before. Okay,
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another German word for you. Then the other band is
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called instant It.
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Okay, I could almost say that, but I have no
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idea how you.
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Probably spell it.
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But I do love your band, even if I can't
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pronounce it. You know your music. You know what it
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reminds me of. It doesn't even remind me of Death
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Metal of Today. It reminds me of Possessed.
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Funny that you say that, because Possessed it's one of
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the influences I always had when I was writing the
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songs nice and Yeah. It's like Possessed was a big
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influence as well as Bence, like Nicrophobic for example. Yeah,
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and so that's a style of death metal. I really
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like him.
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Yeah, So, like I grew up Unpossessed.
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I lived in LA in the eighties and when Possessed
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first came out, and I remember when Seven Churches came out,
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I was like, oh my god, and there was nothing
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like it then, you know, and I kind of find
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it like weird.
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That not weird, but a lot of.
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Death metal bands like they don't consider Possessed death metal now,
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just like black metal bands don't consider Venom black metal.
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That one I get because they were black metal way back.
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And now when I listened to it, I'm like, compared
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to black metal today, Venom sounds kind of poppy, you know,
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It was like the most brutal heavy thing was.
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And it's still you know, no just a Venom just
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releasing you album, yeah a couple of weeks ago, and
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I think it's really really still still like them a lot,
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you know, the listeners can can see it, but you know,
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I have.
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This, so yeah, I suck.
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I was at a gig and it got confirmed recently
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because I did an interview with Venom recently and he
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confirmed it that Kronos it was Venom Exus and Slayer
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and Kronos and Tom Mariah got into a fight backstage
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because Kronos was saying to Tom, like, you're not black metal,
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we're black metal, and I don't know, Tom said something
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to him and he punched him out.
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Chronos punched Tom out.
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Oh yeah, And then you know, sometimes stuff like that,
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you hear those stories and you think maybe it's lore.
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You like, I wasn't backstage, I was at show, but
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I heard about it right after the show, and you
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just don't know if it's real or not. I got
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it confirmed. I love when I could do.
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An interview all these years later and confirm it, you know.
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But yeah, and then so I was at the.
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First crossover show ever, the first show that was punk
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and metal in the same room because metal heads, if
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you had long hair, you couldn't go to a punk show. Yeah,
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you got your ass beat and punk same thing. So
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this was at like this lodge, you know, like just
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a it wasn't even a venue, okay, and there was
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no security. The headliner on the metal side was possessed.
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You had Possessed Dark Angel in this band Savage Grace,
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that was a thrash metal band that isn't it didn't
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make it like Slayer and Metallica, but they were pretty
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big there, and man, that was a wild show. And
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then I used to go see them up in the
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Bay Area Possessed and that's where it was really crazy.
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Oh yeah, awesome.
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Yeah, so yeah, but it is funny that, like how
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brutal I thought it was then, and then if you
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talk to death metal bands now, they don't think it's
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so brutal.
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Yeah. You know if you said, was that the show
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you attended with no security and stuff? You know, yeah,
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this is you know, the shows like twenty years ago
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was totally different, you know, right, like much more chaos,
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much much more. Yeah, I don't know, you know, like
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like it was brutal or something.
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Oh yeah, you could in that show I went to. There.
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If you didn't want to be in a pit there,
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you better be outside. There was no safe place to hide.
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No never ever. I remember when I was like sixteen
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or seventeen years old, I was a my friends had
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a Morbid Angel show and nice when we when the
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show was over, I remember I had only one shoe left.
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A friend of mine was bleeding from his forehead. The
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other one guy lost two teeth.
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Okay, so.
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These are gone from climbing up a Marshall stack and
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doing a swan dive stage dive.
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The crowd moved.
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Oh fuck, and the blood is this is my eighties
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battle vests.
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The blood is on here. Oh yeah, possesses at the bottom.
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I drew everything on here and you can tell it's
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been through some brutality.
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It looks like that.
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That's a venom patch.
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Oh yeah, what is left off that? Yes, yes, awesome,
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So it's really a battle whist.
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One hundred said awesome. So, and listening to your music.
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Like there's something why to clarify to the world like
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death metal. People that turn into it don't understand it.
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But when I was listening to your music, oh my god,
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the musicianship was amazing. Like people think that are not
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in the metal comedy or death metal. That's just a
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bunch of screaming. They don't know how to play their instruments.
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That's the exact opposite. Death metal musicians are probably some
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of the best musicians there is, and that's why I
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heard in your music it was like such technical intriquate,
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you know, like great musicianship.
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Oh yeah, thinks of it. Yeah, but I agree. You know,
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it's like like fusemble. I played in the black metal
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bands as well, you know, and I really love black metal,
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but that's what you easier to play than this death
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metal because it's like death metal is more on point more. Yeah,
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it has different techniques to it that you can play,
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and so it's more varying, you know, and so it
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has are there are often parts and uh yeah that
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there really not that easy to play. You know. Also
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like man the the as we were talking about Possessed,
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they are such fucking great musicians. I think the guitar
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player is also playing in primers.
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Isn't it really I don't know that.
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Yeah, but you know it's like he's an awesome guitarist,
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you know. And yeah, so especially in uh all the
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drummers you know, and then death metal up of course
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in a I think that in metal in general, the
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drummers are really mostly like pul killing it, you know. Yeah,
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so what actually in death metal, you know, because you know,
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there's so much in death metal, but he really loves
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is so much double bass and you know, mixed with
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blast beats and everything. You so you haven't deafinitely you
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have like everything in it, you know.
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Yeah, and they used to make fun of back in
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the day that Possess was just like a copycat of Slayer,
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and I'm like, what are they talking about.
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Possessed was like Slayer.
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Ten point zero. It was faster, more brutal, like just
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I don't even get how they think it's even the
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same sound. Even the vocals, like his vocals are not
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anywhere the same of Tom Riah's vocals.
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Absolutely, I agree. You know, like I remember when I
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was I think like thirteen years ago, I got my
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first Slayer CD and what I thought, like, oh man,
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this is really the evilst music and the fucking world,
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the special sound it says, you know, how.
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disarmonics and stuff like that, and it makes it their
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music so so somes somes so evil, you know. Yeah,
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More evil, you know, exactly.
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the most Evil because that reminds me. So when then
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