June 7, 2026

Don of the Dead of Nunslaughter at Milwaukee Metal Fest - PipemanRadio Interview

Don of the Dead of Nunslaughter at Milwaukee Metal Fest - PipemanRadio Interview
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Pipeman speaks with Don of the Dead of Death Metal / Devil Metal Band Nunslaughter at Milwaukee Metal Fest.

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Hi, you have done too, Yes, that's true.

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For see wow, for you young.

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This is the pipe Man here on the Adventures of

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Pipe Man W four c Y Radio. And I'm here

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with uh Donna the Dead from Nunslaughter.

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How you doing? Oh?

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Doing amazing? How could it be bad? We're here at

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Milwaukee Metal Fest. A lot of good bands, Oh my god.

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Like so, I do a lot of festivals. This is

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the first time I've done this one because it always

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conflicts with another. And the only year that I really didn't,

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I had COVID, so I was super excited to come

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to this one, and being a total thresh metal head,

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this was the one to go to.

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The Death Angel and Violence and I.

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Raight and Insight and like the list goes on, it's

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it's fucking.

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Go or yeah, absolutely, we're you here?

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Last night? Did you see no jostin Friends?

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No, but I watched some of the videos that people

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posted online.

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It looked like a good time.

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We had about a seven eight hour drive in yesterday

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from Cleveland, Ohio. So when we got in everybody was

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wicked hungry and it was kind of tired. So we

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we went we ate some pizza night and then and

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when we went back to the hotel room. We were

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kind of just everybody's relaxing, and then somebody was like, I.

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Was like, God, damn it, that thing's going on. We

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should go, and I'm like, ah, I'm not going anywhere.

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You know, I feel I'm too comfortable.

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Oh I hear you, man. But it was cool because

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on that fresh note, he had the dude from High

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Rex come out and who sang lesson in Violence. Oh

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well yeah right, and then Dukes came out and sang

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bonded in Blood by Blood.

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Oh that's cooy. I didn't know he was here. Yeah,

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very cool.

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I don't even Oh yeah, he's playing in another band here.

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Oh I got which one these?

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I didn't know that.

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I'm like, I forgot which one he's in, which sounds

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fucking horrible, but you know, like he like Exos is

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one of my favorite bands ever. I used to like

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I was in La Medal. My dad. He came up

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to me at thirteen years old. I'm from Jersey. He's like,

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pack your bags were moving to California in three days.

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That was nineteen eighty wow. And so I caught Metallica's

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first show, got their first show ever, and then they

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ditched us and went up to a Bay area. So

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me and my bro would hitchhike up to the Bay

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Area and then we'd catch the real metal shows. Yeah,

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you know, because La became a kind of lane.

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Well that was glam you kind of took over.

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And oh I saw a striper open for Slayer. How

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weird is that in La? In La? Wow, that's why

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both Metallica and Slayer left is because there was nobody

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they could play with, you know, yeah, either played with

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the glam bands or not at all. Yeah, so they

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felt right out and or San.

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Francisco had uh possessed and Testament was happening and Dark.

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Angel, Dark Angel, Death Angel, and like there were so

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many yeah, you know, and we might not be standing

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here today if that didn't happen, because if Metallica didn't

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go up, there being no Cliff Burton, yeah, and no

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Kirk Hammond in Metallica because he was Exodus. Yeah that's wild.

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So tell us how you got the call from Jamie

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or whoever to come to this.

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So we actually we played uh Milwaukee Metalfest I think

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three years either three or four years ago, and it

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went over really well, and you know, uh we're just

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going about our business. But just recently we had uh

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changed over to a label, Black to Black, kind of

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a new label on the on the block. And uh,

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you know they obviously they got some heavy hitters with

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Maggie Death.

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You may hear of that band a little bit.

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And uh and I get Crowmags and Forbidden, you know,

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speaking of so great one. So Mike Getter, who signed

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us or helped sign us, he's good friends with Jamie

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because he he signed him to Roadrunner Records many many

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years ago, and so they've been friends. And he mentioned, hey,

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I just signed Nunslaughter, you know, would you be interested

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in having him on the on the fast And then

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so he got in touch with our booking agent and whatnot.

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And and here we are here, you.

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Are, yeah, here, we are going to kick some ass here.

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I hope.

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So. Yeah, if I'm getting tired, I got here at

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nine thirty am.

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Yeah, I have a feeling though. Once you get up

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on stage.

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Yeah, adrenaline, you won't be tired.

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After your get off stage, You'll be like, oh fuck.

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And the big thing is going up and down all

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these stairs. I know, right, I should have done training

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before I Oh.

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Yeah, my bag here, Like the thing weighs like fifty

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pounds and I'm carrying.

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Everywhere, Like, I see why you want to do these

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interviews in the basement, because you like, I'm already down here.

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I don't want to If I should have said, meet

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me in.

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At the upper floor, right right, seven staircases to get

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up there, and I.

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Never imagined because I was never at this venue, and

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I'm like, holy shit, there's so much here. Most venues

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don't have like that many stages and places.

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And it's like, and listen, we get bands going on

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right now, and it's it's relatively quiet down here, you know,

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which is nice that it's that. I mean, this has

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got to be I don't know when this was built,

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probably at least one hundred years ago, so this is

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all concrete.

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And heavy beams and stuff like that.

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So so what was that one moment in life that

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you knew this is what you had to do.

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I don't know if it was.

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One one necessarily a moment, but it was a gradual

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progression where I started going to live shows. And my

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first live show was eighty four or Ozzie Barked the

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Moon Tour with the Motley Crue and wasted. And I

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was already a fan of music, heavy metal and you know,

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Iron Maiden and Judas Priests and whatnot, and obviously Black

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Sabbath and following The mad Man That Bites Bat and everything,

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but going to see him live, I was really blown away.

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And I was a big fan of Motley Crue at

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that era of Motley Crue, which was a shot at

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the Devil Tour, and so.

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Going to that show, I was just like, I was.

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Like this the just the energy and the excitement that

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the of the crowd. But then what the band gave me,

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you know, as as a kid, just like a lot

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of adrenaline.

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So that was probably what started my.

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Desire to be more involved in music, and then it

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kind of just really absorbed my entire life. Like that's

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I'm there's a bunch of eighties movies about kids sitting

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in a class a math or history and on their

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uh you know, their noe foulder on the Peachy folder

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and drawn Slayer and Metallica and you know, and a

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dozen other logos and uh do you still have one?

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You mean like you mean like this.

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Yeah, yeah, that's my eighties Why battle this?

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Yeah?

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Yeah, I drew a lot, Yeah, because there was nobody

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had patches or shit, so you had to draw it

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on there.

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Yes, Slayer exactly, Slayer didn't have a patch, so I

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did the made one felt or felt things. And in

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La they thought I was a gang begger and that

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was my gang name.

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Yeah, and the old Exodus logo.

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That's awesome, and yeah dark Angel, Yeah, absolutely Lake, And

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I drew all the shit on here. As you can see,

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it's been through some wars, you know. Yeah, and it's

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got blood on it too.

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But that's that's what That's what you did in the

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eighties because you didn't have nobody you can get ahold

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of a man of War shirt or whatever, so you

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had to make one.

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Yeah, did your thing. But that's that was me.

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I was very very you know, and drawing it on

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your notebooks and had my skateboard and go out and

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cause havoc and throw rocks at stuff and.

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There you go in the metal. That's what I was doing.

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I think that's still my life now. In fact, you know,

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it's funny. I just did Welcome to Rockville recently, and

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that's at the Daytona International Speedway. So I bring my

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skateboard with me because I live in South Florida, so

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I just drive up. Yeah, and I asked the person

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at ran Media. I'm like, hey, if I go take

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my skateboard and ride the wall, well I get my

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credentials pulled. And I knew the answer because I'm friends

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with her. She's like, yeah, bro, okay, I'll wait till

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the end of the festival, you know, but yeah, I

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mean it's funny we have similar stories different years. First

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of all, I ask you, I'll tell you something you

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probably didn't know. Shout at the Devil was the original music,

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not Too Fast for Love. Shout at the Devil was

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what they originally played in the clubs before the record

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labels got to them. Huh, So they made them write

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Too Fast for Love, and then once Motley Crue got big,

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then they were able to do that album. Yeah, and

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you know, my so nineteen eighty, my dad walks up

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to me says, we're moving to California in three days.

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My first club show, ever club show was Motley Crue

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at the Roxy on the Sunset Strip, before they had

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an album.

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Yeah, that'd be like a legendary.

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They were like, they were horror punk at the time,

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and they played that shout out to Devil music and

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they were lighting the place on fire, trying to bring

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Satan into the roxy.

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I walked out that show.

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I'm like, I'm never going to a real concert ever again.

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And after that, I spent every Friday and Saturday night

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at either the Troubadour, the country Club in Resieda or

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a a million other metal clubs on the Strip or

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in La and Slayers first show, Metallica's first show. You

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mentioned Megadeth, Dave Mustaine came up to me. I was

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thirteen years old after playing that first Metallica show. In

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Hamsbian's business card, it said Metallica Power Metal. Dave Mustaine

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was thrashed in the Yeah.

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Yeah, exactly. Yeah.

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A lot of time people don't realize some of the

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terminology didn't exist.

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No, you know we had with washing didn't exist. I

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think Anthrax made that up. I think it was originally

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slam dancing.

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Slam dancing, yeah.

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You know, and I still call it that because Machhing's like,

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I called that too, but I'm like, yeah, but it

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really slam dancing makes sense.

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You know, you're into each other, you know, well, you

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were very much right place, right time.

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I mean unbelievable. I was pissed at my dad, but

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now I thank them, you.

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Know, because you were I don't want to go.

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I don't know anybody out there to fucking California, you know,

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and you're from You're from the East Coast, Like, who

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the fuck wants to.

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Go over there?

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But you and I wouldn't be sitting here right now

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if that didn't happen.

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Oh yeah, that's true.

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Yeah, And that is the key. Like you caught a

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beginning of it too, that it's kind of like an addiction.

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It just draws you in this metal and like there's

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just something about the therapy of metal, you know, and

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the therapy of demosh bit. People think demash Bit is violence.

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It's not violence, it's fucking therapy.

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Yeah.

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So I'll get violent on people out in the streets.

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Yeah, especially well certainly not anymore. I'm not hopping in

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the pit. But there were many many shows, and in fact,

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Sean from Violence I was telling him. We played a

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small run with him back in February. It was the

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first time I actually met him, and I said, this

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will be the second time I've ever seen violence, And

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he said, when was the first?

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And I says, I think it was.

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Nineteen eighty seven or nineteen eighty eight in Pittsburgh at

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City Limits and he's like, oh, yeah, I remember that show.

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So I said, you know, you don't screw up. I

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didn't say that, but yeah, and they sounded they sounded great,

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and uh, the band sounds great too. But it was

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one of those where that's all long ago, and same

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with like Death Angels playing tonight and the last time,

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the first time I ever saw them was on Ultra

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Violence Tour, which would have been eighty six eighty seven,

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right around that era. And uh, I was a as

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a young kid. I was just blown away that they

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they were only like a year or two older than

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me when they were playing that that music, and I

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was just like, I can't play shit.

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So I needed you know, they were great.

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I talked about this with Sean earlier, you know, during

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an interview, is like, it's so cool nowadays, Like I

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bring my kids and my grandkids and I've put my

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son in his first mash bit. I put my grandkids

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and more grandsons in their first mash bits. Wow, and

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now you go you go back. Okay, So Metallica and

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Slayer they were only a couple of years older than me.

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I've my dad would have never gone to those shows.

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My dad always say when my friend's going, oh look

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it's the Motley Crew, like you know, and you also

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a teenager at that time. You had never gone to

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see a bunch of sixty year olds play music. So

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it's so cool now when I see kids out there

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that they're looking at bands like you or Violence or

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any of these bands.

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We're going crazy for high Recks.

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They were totally and I'm like, I got two years

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looking cool man. It's like, you know, that's where we've come.

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That I think is really cool about our community, that

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it's one big family and now it includes everybody. It

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didn't include everybody back then.

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No, Yeah, that's true.

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You know I talk about we were talking. I was

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talking about this with Sean too. Like I'd liked GBH,

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Discharge Circle Jerks, Dead Caddies. I couldn't go to their

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shows back then. I was along there get my ass beat.

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I would just get I went, and I did get

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my my ass beat quite a few times, especially like

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I went to see uh Agnostic Front. Yeah that was

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actually on the second record. It was a cause.

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For alarm that would definitely be an ass beating the

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show and uh.

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Yeah, and I but I was, I was. I didn't expect.

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I was just going because it was I loved the music,

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you know, and they did a bunch of victim and

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pain stuff. But uh I got somebody got a couple

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of punches in, you know, in my face and what else.

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I mean, I did go to see I saw uh

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gb H and Discharge and this is the eighties as well.

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Uh I got shoved around quite a bit, but I

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still had to go to the show.

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I mean, I wasn't not going to go to the show.

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So yeah, but all that, all that where I was

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getting at or where I was going with is all

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that punk stuff is what I gravitated to as well,

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if not just as much, if not more than the

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metal stuff because where where I was at, the metal

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s was really small in Pittsburgh in the mid eighties,

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but the punk scene was strong and and so.

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That's the ghost thing too, because like you know, you

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had the New York hardcore and like East Coast was

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big into hardcore and punk, and I think metal came

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a little later type of thing from what I know,

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you know, But yeah, I mean it's cool. We're one big,

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happy family now. When you know, while I was in

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high school, like the jocks used to pick on boy

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and beat the shit out of us, both punks and

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metal heads. I always thought, why aren't we banding together?

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Instead we're beating the shit of each other. It's fucking stupid, yeah,

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you know, But now here we are, and it's just

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such a mish mash of everything, which I love and

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blending of genres. And I think that's so important today too,

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because there's so many subgenres and micro genres that it

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makes it like they do sound the same nowadays unless

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you have bands that blend it, like you bring into

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it punk and metal and you blend and it's a

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unique sound.

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Thank you.

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Yeah, I think I think you miss everybody else, you know.

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So tell us about the new album.

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At Satanic Cast Legions. We took it's been sitting.

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It's taken about a year and a half from completion

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to actually get it out. It's coming out of June

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twenty sixth here and it it didn't take as long

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to write, but the mixing process and reviewing the songs

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and getting them to where we wanted that took a

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little bit of a process, and then of course looking

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for another label that was another long process.

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And you know, some people say, you know, the album's

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already a.

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Year and a half hole. It so hasn't even come

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out yet. It's not stale or anything, it's just it

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took that long for the progression to happen, especially when

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you signed to a new label. They've got ways of

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putting out music that you know, it has to build

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anticipation for it. So but our our guitar player, who

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he's been with the band first, has got to be

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for thirteen or fourteen years.

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He went on a tour with us.

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He was just going to be a guitar player on tour,

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and we went on tour in Europe and when we

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came back it went, it went over so well that

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we asked him to join and he's so he's been,

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he's been in the band, and his background is largely

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punk rock as well, so like Poison Ideas, Circle Jerks

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and you know, Cramps and Crowmags and Dead Kennedy's and

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so that helps when he's writing a song or constructing

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a song, because that we have that same sensibilities of

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how the song is supposed to go and so he's.

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He wrote most of or a considerable.

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Amount, if not most of the new album nice and

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I think he did a fantastic colb. He was also

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on REDZ Color Ripping Death and helped us work those

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songs as well.

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So yeah, so the band is doing well.

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Yeah, and you know, I don't call it stale. I

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have a different viewpoint on that. It's probably a better

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album that it wasn't rushed and put out there because

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I think, tell me, if it's happened with you, I

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think as an artist, when it is sitting there like that,

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then all of a sudden things pop in your head

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that didn't happen while you're making, like oh I should

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have done this, or oh this should maybe be this

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way because you have the chance to really let the

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creative juices flow instead of that hamster wheel you're on. Noh,

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let's put the album out. We gotta go to the

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next gig. I got the next eight. Well, I completely agree.

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And what's nice is Noah he owns his own studio,

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his own recording studios.

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So those changes or fixes.

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Or easy, very easy, you know, quite literally a lot

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of them were I'd call him and say, hey, I'm

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going to get there about twenty minutes before practice because

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I want to change this vocal line or I don't

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like where it's placed.

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We got to fix this.

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And so I just show up a little bit early,

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go in, open up the session, you know, change it,

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or I sing something or double my vocals or whatever

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it was, and then we start start practice.

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So it was made it very very easy.

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Yeah, and see, like I think of something I heard.

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I think it was James that was talking Hetfield and

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he was like, they didn't get to go in to

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do the mix for Kill Them All, and so after

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Kill Them All was done, he kind of felt like

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the album was not finished because they didn't have more

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say to the creative control of it. Sure, and they

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had been playing this music for so long that they

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should know what they wanted to.

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Do, what it sound like. Yeah, you know.

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And I think that's a big thing for me, is

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as somebody that was part of the eighties bullshit with

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the labels, because I sat backstage and watch them go

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to certain bands that I was friends with and like, Oh,

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you're gonna play your music like this, You're gonna dress

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like this, You're gonna do that. My viewpoint is I

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have no problem with the business side of it, but

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let the creatives be the creatives, and let the suits

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be the suits, and you handle what you are the

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expert at. And I think artists should be the expert

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at the creativity.

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Well, I agree.

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And one of the things before signing to Black to Black,

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Mike said to us, He's like, you know, you're gonna

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just keep doing nunslaughter, like we're not looking to change

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what you do. And I was just like, that sounds

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good because you hear back to the horror stories of

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well you guys have where everybody's gonna wear a suit

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now and you're like, we don't.

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Wear suits, right, that's gonna be your new look, And

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you're like, I don't know, man.

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Right exactly. I think that is the benef of today

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in twenty twenty six, because you as the artist has

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a lot more control than back in the eighties. Yeah,

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you know, and you could do your own thing, like

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you said, you have a studio like other were Wise

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you'd have to depend on the record label putting you

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in their studio and telling you how it should be

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mixed and everything. And sometimes he suits they know how

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market shit. And I'm somebody I'm a marketing person myself,

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but that doesn't mean you know how to write a song.

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Oh yeah, yeah, exactly.

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I'm a perfect example that I wrote one song okay,

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do I know it? No?

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Uh?

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And I played guitar, I played drums, I sang thrash,

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I sucked at all three. But what happened was, is

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my head engineer he passed away, but he was a

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close friend of mine and he was a musician, and

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so I went to him with this song. Now I'm

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also a published author, so what did I do. I

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wrote a fucking book, not a song, you know. And

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I handed it to him and he's like, what the

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fuck is this? This ain't a song, this book. So

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he's like, and you'll appreciate this. He's like, can we

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take this out? And everything he wanted to take out,

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I'm like.

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No, that's important, that's essential.

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I can't take that out. Finally, I was just like,

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fuck it, do whatever you want, and then he trimmed

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it down to a song that was actually awesome. But

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that's because he was the artist. I was the writer,

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business person trying to write a fucking song.

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Ah, I see, yeah.

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You know. And that's where I also get that view

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by him like thinking of other people like me trying

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to tell somebody like you how to write your song,

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and I'm like, yeah, no they shouldn't. Yeah, so yeah,

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anything else you want to share with the listeners that

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we haven't covered already?

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Uh, I think, yeah, I guess because sometimes people were

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they think because it's a new label or that they

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haven't heard of the band Nunsoder in particular, they think

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we're some like a like a new band. And sometimes

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and then the flip side is when you tell them

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what we've been around for about forty years and we

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got maybe out of two hundred releases, they think you're

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full of shit because it's like, well, how come I

467
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never heard of you guys? And you know, I've never

468
00:23:26.119 --> 00:23:29.720
even seen any of your releases, And so it's something

469
00:23:29.720 --> 00:23:32.880
that I think, I think maybe gets glossed over because

470
00:23:32.920 --> 00:23:35.200
even if a band hits, like let's say a band's

471
00:23:35.240 --> 00:23:37.559
been around for a decade, like ten years, you know,

472
00:23:37.960 --> 00:23:39.640
for some people, that just rolls off your tongue and

473
00:23:39.720 --> 00:23:42.039
you're like, you have no idea how hard it is

474
00:23:42.079 --> 00:23:43.839
to keep a band together for ten years?

475
00:23:43.960 --> 00:23:44.200
Fuck?

476
00:23:44.279 --> 00:23:47.480
You know, I mean it's hard, you know, because you

477
00:23:47.599 --> 00:23:50.960
just you, you can get disgusted with and be like

478
00:23:51.039 --> 00:23:53.759
I quit, I don't want to do this anymore. You know,

479
00:23:53.880 --> 00:23:56.200
all the other shit that you have to deal with

480
00:23:56.279 --> 00:23:59.519
other than just writing and performing music, all the other stuff.

481
00:23:59.640 --> 00:24:02.759
And now one of the added fuck us as far

482
00:24:02.799 --> 00:24:06.559
as I'm concerned, is the uh social media because like

483
00:24:06.720 --> 00:24:09.960
I'm not, I'm not a social media.

484
00:24:09.880 --> 00:24:11.839
It just creates so much more work.

485
00:24:12.359 --> 00:24:13.279
It's a lot more work.

486
00:24:13.319 --> 00:24:16.079
Oh my god, now you gotta do fricking everything it

487
00:24:16.160 --> 00:24:17.759
was sold in the tape trading days.

488
00:24:18.599 --> 00:24:21.920
Well, I mean yeah, because you know, like a lot

489
00:24:21.920 --> 00:24:25.480
of uh shows that you do, even fast and whatnot,

490
00:24:26.200 --> 00:24:29.079
they keep hitting you up like, hey, why don't you

491
00:24:29.119 --> 00:24:31.839
do some content mentioned the fastes and stuff? And I

492
00:24:31.880 --> 00:24:33.599
want to I do want to help. I'm not saying

493
00:24:33.599 --> 00:24:36.119
that that I wouldn't do it, but it's just like, man,

494
00:24:36.160 --> 00:24:37.920
I got I got other stuff to do.

495
00:24:38.039 --> 00:24:38.759
Man I got.

496
00:24:39.640 --> 00:24:43.200
That shouldn't be your job and in essence, because like

497
00:24:43.240 --> 00:24:45.880
if you want to do it, that's one thing, yeah, absolutely, yeah,

498
00:24:45.920 --> 00:24:48.680
but there should be people hired that that's their job, yeah,

499
00:24:48.799 --> 00:24:50.440
because it's what they specialize in.

500
00:24:50.519 --> 00:24:51.319
Well, what we.

501
00:24:51.680 --> 00:24:56.039
Back to the like a practice session, we'll get maybe

502
00:24:56.079 --> 00:24:59.599
I'll get a couple of inquiries or emails and say, hey,

503
00:24:59.599 --> 00:25:02.839
can you do a bumper for this whatever it is

504
00:25:03.440 --> 00:25:06.799
a radio show or a show that we're the physical

505
00:25:06.799 --> 00:25:10.319
show that we're performing at, and you know, we do

506
00:25:10.400 --> 00:25:12.920
our regular practice and then we kind of like, well,

507
00:25:12.960 --> 00:25:15.279
we got time, let's just we can rip it out,

508
00:25:15.319 --> 00:25:16.079
you know so.

509
00:25:16.640 --> 00:25:19.640
But then there's some days you're like, I don't have

510
00:25:19.680 --> 00:25:20.160
any time.

511
00:25:20.200 --> 00:25:23.759
Guys, Like we did a three hour practice and it's

512
00:25:23.839 --> 00:25:26.440
nine thirty. I'm beat, I want to go home, my

513
00:25:26.559 --> 00:25:28.079
voice is shot, whatever the case is.

514
00:25:28.119 --> 00:25:29.599
And sometimes we don't get to it.

515
00:25:29.640 --> 00:25:32.279
But yeah, the social media thing is a real It's

516
00:25:32.319 --> 00:25:34.039
like a gnat just flying around.

517
00:25:33.759 --> 00:25:35.640
All the time. I gotta do a lot of it.

518
00:25:35.799 --> 00:25:38.400
I freaking hate it now. I used to not, and

519
00:25:38.440 --> 00:25:41.039
now I kind of hate it because it's like it's

520
00:25:41.119 --> 00:25:43.720
a lot of work, a lot of time. And I

521
00:25:43.759 --> 00:25:46.720
always talk about on my show about artists. People don't

522
00:25:46.720 --> 00:25:49.759
realize what hard work it is. Like they look at

523
00:25:49.799 --> 00:25:52.440
you and they're like, oh, man, that dude's got the

524
00:25:52.559 --> 00:25:57.599
dream life in one part, you do in ninety nine

525
00:25:57.640 --> 00:25:59.640
percent of the other parts not so much.

526
00:26:00.079 --> 00:26:01.440
A lot of a lot of my friends are like

527
00:26:02.519 --> 00:26:05.599
you know, hey, maybe maybe I'll come up in two weeks.

528
00:26:05.599 --> 00:26:07.720
I'm like, can't do it in two weeks? Why not?

529
00:26:08.200 --> 00:26:10.480
I got I gotta go to South America for you know,

530
00:26:11.079 --> 00:26:13.920
fourteen dates or something like. Man, you're so lucky, and

531
00:26:13.960 --> 00:26:16.559
you're like, yeah, it's it is really cool. It's gonna

532
00:26:16.599 --> 00:26:18.480
be fun. I you know, I uh, this is what

533
00:26:18.519 --> 00:26:20.599
I'm doing for a living and everything. But then when

534
00:26:20.599 --> 00:26:23.039
you're on the road, you know, there's there's flights and

535
00:26:23.079 --> 00:26:28.000
cancelations and lost luggage and flat tires and transportation issues

536
00:26:28.039 --> 00:26:31.039
and payment issues and all this, like we didn't buy

537
00:26:31.119 --> 00:26:32.880
enough shirts, we bought too many shirts, how are we

538
00:26:32.920 --> 00:26:34.359
gonna get this ship to the next show?

539
00:26:34.680 --> 00:26:38.559
All this other minutia. It's not it's not sitting.

540
00:26:38.720 --> 00:26:41.279
So it's not just you just show up, You do

541
00:26:41.359 --> 00:26:43.200
your little thing for forty five to fifty minutes, and

542
00:26:43.599 --> 00:26:45.920
then you know, they hand your chicks coke and a

543
00:26:45.960 --> 00:26:46.480
bunch of money.

544
00:26:46.559 --> 00:26:47.400
Let's why I go home.

545
00:26:47.519 --> 00:26:51.880
That's like the set is the bonus. Yeah, that's that's

546
00:26:51.880 --> 00:26:54.519
not even the meat and potatoes. That's the bonus. That's

547
00:26:54.640 --> 00:26:57.039
like the reward for doing all that hard work.

548
00:26:57.119 --> 00:26:58.880
Yeah, yeah, yeah, you're absolutely right.

549
00:26:58.960 --> 00:27:01.599
Yeah, because the the like I said, you know, whatever

550
00:27:01.640 --> 00:27:04.440
your set time is, you're fifty sixty minutes up there.

551
00:27:05.000 --> 00:27:07.680
A lot of people think, like, uh, you know, that's

552
00:27:07.839 --> 00:27:12.079
that's all. That was all you invested into either that day.

553
00:27:12.480 --> 00:27:13.839
I was like, oh, you only worked for like an

554
00:27:13.839 --> 00:27:15.720
hour up there. You're like, dude, how do you think

555
00:27:15.720 --> 00:27:18.839
those amps got on stage? I carried them up there? Right,

556
00:27:19.400 --> 00:27:22.960
We don't. We did practice like for fifty eight hours

557
00:27:23.000 --> 00:27:24.599
before we knew all these songs, So.

558
00:27:24.559 --> 00:27:26.799
There's a lot of time then, you know, going the

559
00:27:26.839 --> 00:27:29.799
shows takes forever. No sleep, you know, like.

560
00:27:30.359 --> 00:27:33.319
You know, I'm running on that now exactly. I was

561
00:27:33.359 --> 00:27:34.720
here at nine thirty this morning.

562
00:27:34.839 --> 00:27:37.079
I don't go on until ten, and then I got

563
00:27:37.119 --> 00:27:39.000
to get up early and drive to Lansing. We had

564
00:27:39.000 --> 00:27:40.119
a show tomorrow and Lansing.

565
00:27:40.200 --> 00:27:42.680
See, that's why I like to hear because people don't

566
00:27:42.720 --> 00:27:45.240
realize that's like you're just going from one to the

567
00:27:45.279 --> 00:27:48.680
other and there's no break, you know, and it ain't

568
00:27:48.839 --> 00:27:51.640
fun necessarily if you're in a van or a tour bus.

569
00:27:51.720 --> 00:27:54.400
They think, ooh that's cool. No, it kind of sucks

570
00:27:54.400 --> 00:27:55.759
a little bit. Yeah.

571
00:27:55.799 --> 00:27:59.480
My and I've said this before. My favorite thing about

572
00:28:00.079 --> 00:28:03.559
touring and playing shows. Are the memories, yes, because it's

573
00:28:03.559 --> 00:28:06.079
the good times to stick with you because the bad

574
00:28:06.119 --> 00:28:08.880
times and if they're if they're wicked bad, a lot.

575
00:28:08.720 --> 00:28:10.240
Of times they turn out to be funny.

576
00:28:10.319 --> 00:28:12.720
Like you're like, dude, you remember that time, and you

577
00:28:12.759 --> 00:28:15.480
know there's this long story because at the time you're.

578
00:28:15.279 --> 00:28:18.440
Like, mother, this fucking sop. Fuck, I'm never fucking doing

579
00:28:18.440 --> 00:28:19.079
this shit again.

580
00:28:19.279 --> 00:28:23.200
And in three months later you're like, dude, that was hysterical, man, right,

581
00:28:23.480 --> 00:28:25.119
totally remember when your.

582
00:28:25.000 --> 00:28:26.599
Guitar got run over to crack nap.

583
00:28:26.640 --> 00:28:28.359
We were laughing our asses off, but at the time

584
00:28:28.359 --> 00:28:29.559
you're like, how the fuck am I going to play

585
00:28:29.599 --> 00:28:29.920
the show?

586
00:28:30.119 --> 00:28:30.559
Exactly?

587
00:28:30.559 --> 00:28:33.440
No guitar, no doubt. So that leads me to one

588
00:28:33.440 --> 00:28:35.880
of my favorite questions I normally asked arts. I didn't

589
00:28:35.880 --> 00:28:39.279
even ask you yet, but since you brought up one story,

590
00:28:39.319 --> 00:28:42.720
good or bad, what's the one that really sticks in

591
00:28:42.720 --> 00:28:43.200
your mind?

592
00:28:45.000 --> 00:28:47.359
Just give me a second here, let me think. I know.

593
00:28:47.519 --> 00:28:49.599
That's why I love asking that question, because it's so

594
00:28:49.680 --> 00:28:53.960
hard for artists to pick which one. There's so many.

595
00:28:55.440 --> 00:28:58.240
Well, i'd have to say that the one that I'm

596
00:28:58.279 --> 00:29:01.839
thinking of now. We we had a European tour This

597
00:29:01.880 --> 00:29:04.880
is a few years ago and it was our first

598
00:29:04.920 --> 00:29:09.759
and so far our only nightliner tour. So we had

599
00:29:09.799 --> 00:29:13.359
a couple of bands on there, including us, and you

600
00:29:13.400 --> 00:29:15.759
know it slept twenty two people or whatever. We had

601
00:29:15.759 --> 00:29:18.440
two lounges, two PlayStations. You know, there's a bathroom, there's

602
00:29:18.480 --> 00:29:21.319
a little kitchen at you know, you can there.

603
00:29:21.559 --> 00:29:24.119
You can sleep whenever you want. You know, somebody's driving.

604
00:29:24.440 --> 00:29:26.599
You know. You just you get in a van or

605
00:29:26.640 --> 00:29:29.119
you get in the bus, you drink, you play PlayStation,

606
00:29:29.240 --> 00:29:30.799
you fall asleep, and you wake up. You're in the

607
00:29:30.839 --> 00:29:35.440
next town, like super easy. And then after I want

608
00:29:35.440 --> 00:29:39.319
to say it was the second or third show, one

609
00:29:39.359 --> 00:29:42.119
of the guys in the band decided to jump a fence.

610
00:29:42.359 --> 00:29:46.359
He broke his leg and we had to fly him home.

611
00:29:46.559 --> 00:29:48.400
This is a funny thing, you know, this is back

612
00:29:48.440 --> 00:29:53.720
the like I was just unbelievably pissed and he tried

613
00:29:53.720 --> 00:29:56.759
to I think he played one show, maybe two shows,

614
00:29:56.880 --> 00:30:01.279
sitting in a chair because and I always go back

615
00:30:01.319 --> 00:30:05.359
to there's there's a Paul Bayloft did that when when

616
00:30:05.400 --> 00:30:08.319
Exodus kind of came he rejoined or something like that,

617
00:30:08.359 --> 00:30:10.279
and they did a small tour and I want to say,

618
00:30:10.279 --> 00:30:12.759
this was like in the it was in the nineties,

619
00:30:13.400 --> 00:30:15.480
and he broke his legs. So he did some shows

620
00:30:15.519 --> 00:30:17.960
where he's singing but he's you know, he's up there,

621
00:30:18.039 --> 00:30:18.720
and so.

622
00:30:18.640 --> 00:30:19.839
I was like, if we got to do it, we

623
00:30:19.880 --> 00:30:21.519
got to do it. But it turned out his leg

624
00:30:21.640 --> 00:30:23.079
was in.

625
00:30:24.559 --> 00:30:28.200
Such bad shape that he had to be a to

626
00:30:28.200 --> 00:30:31.119
be flown home and and have surgery immediately, and he

627
00:30:31.200 --> 00:30:35.440
still got pins and stuff and is but the best setup,

628
00:30:35.680 --> 00:30:38.680
like you're talking about the easiest thing you could do.

629
00:30:38.759 --> 00:30:39.799
You don't have to drive.

630
00:30:39.960 --> 00:30:42.799
We had a merch person TM all this stuff we had.

631
00:30:43.000 --> 00:30:47.440
All we had to do really was play music. And

632
00:30:47.480 --> 00:30:50.640
it ended like we finished the tour. We figured it out,

633
00:30:51.000 --> 00:30:53.519
but for him to break it, and I was like,

634
00:30:53.599 --> 00:30:58.160
oh my god, that's the bad tour. Yeah, that's the bad,

635
00:30:58.680 --> 00:30:59.519
one of the bad.

636
00:30:59.440 --> 00:31:02.519
Like that all the time. I saw a festival Vincent

637
00:31:02.599 --> 00:31:05.599
Price of body Count jump off the stage and break

638
00:31:05.680 --> 00:31:07.960
his leg while he was playing the guitar and he

639
00:31:08.039 --> 00:31:09.640
was laying on the ground still playing.

640
00:31:12.440 --> 00:31:13.440
Yeah, that's it.

641
00:31:13.960 --> 00:31:16.519
Yeah, then there's a I mean, the thing is that's

642
00:31:16.599 --> 00:31:21.279
that's that's one negative one, but then there's there's dozens

643
00:31:21.319 --> 00:31:24.799
of other great ones. One I'll just share we we

644
00:31:24.880 --> 00:31:28.359
ended up. We had we had a tour of South America,

645
00:31:28.799 --> 00:31:31.599
and uh, we're doing it on our own. So it

646
00:31:31.680 --> 00:31:34.119
wasn't like through a big company or anything, you know,

647
00:31:34.160 --> 00:31:38.200
it was me and the promoter and uh we started

648
00:31:38.200 --> 00:31:40.400
off the tour. It was like ten dates and we're like, Okay,

649
00:31:40.400 --> 00:31:42.119
that's good. You know, it's gonna be a lot of flying,

650
00:31:42.160 --> 00:31:44.559
but we're gonna do it. And and then and then

651
00:31:44.559 --> 00:31:46.519
it was like a couple of places canceled, you know,

652
00:31:46.599 --> 00:31:48.960
got down to like say seven, We're like, well we're

653
00:31:49.000 --> 00:31:52.400
still gonna do this, you know, and then tickets are bought,

654
00:31:52.519 --> 00:31:54.440
you know, the time frame and everything, and then it

655
00:31:54.519 --> 00:31:57.440
was just like, uh, we we got on the plane.

656
00:31:57.640 --> 00:31:58.960
Right before we got on the plane, it was like,

657
00:31:59.640 --> 00:32:01.759
we're on the four shows, but we're gonna be there

658
00:32:01.759 --> 00:32:04.480
for two weeks or two weekends really and I'm like,

659
00:32:04.519 --> 00:32:06.920
I'm like, well, tickets are our money spent?

660
00:32:07.039 --> 00:32:08.000
Like we're coming anyway.

661
00:32:08.720 --> 00:32:12.400
We ended up playing two shows, two sat we played Saturday.

662
00:32:12.440 --> 00:32:14.680
We had a whole week off and another Saturday show

663
00:32:15.000 --> 00:32:17.319
and so a total bust, you know.

664
00:32:17.720 --> 00:32:20.880
He was, uh, you.

665
00:32:20.839 --> 00:32:23.640
Know, I don't want to say devastated, financially, but it

666
00:32:23.680 --> 00:32:24.160
took a bit.

667
00:32:24.240 --> 00:32:25.039
He took a big hit.

668
00:32:25.839 --> 00:32:28.079
But what he ended up doing for us the week

669
00:32:28.119 --> 00:32:31.079
that we had like technically nothing to do, he rented

670
00:32:31.079 --> 00:32:35.200
this awesome house, like way up in the hills of Columbia,

671
00:32:35.599 --> 00:32:37.319
and we had we had our own pool, we had

672
00:32:37.319 --> 00:32:40.440
a water slide, we had half a soccer field, and

673
00:32:41.079 --> 00:32:43.319
the whole week we were there, we just hung out,

674
00:32:44.240 --> 00:32:46.920
drank beer, walked around the town. Most of these people

675
00:32:46.920 --> 00:32:48.839
I don't think I ever saw like white people. They were like,

676
00:32:49.039 --> 00:32:51.160
they were like little kids, like we're just so surprised

677
00:32:51.319 --> 00:32:53.000
they're coming out of school, you know, and they're like

678
00:32:53.079 --> 00:32:55.400
big white guy and it just it was but it

679
00:32:55.440 --> 00:32:55.920
was awesome.

680
00:32:56.039 --> 00:32:57.079
So he treated us great.

681
00:32:57.200 --> 00:32:59.359
And then on top of that, he ended up renting

682
00:32:59.400 --> 00:33:03.559
a studio for half a day and we went back

683
00:33:03.599 --> 00:33:05.720
into town. Because this was like seven eight hours up

684
00:33:05.720 --> 00:33:07.640
into the mountains, we came back into town.

685
00:33:08.359 --> 00:33:11.440
He rented a studio. We wrote two songs. Nice.

686
00:33:11.640 --> 00:33:14.279
We ended up playing a show with Witch Trap. At

687
00:33:14.319 --> 00:33:17.119
the witch Trap show, one of the guys, Hugo and

688
00:33:17.240 --> 00:33:19.480
myself we were talking, We're like, hey, we just recorded

689
00:33:19.519 --> 00:33:21.599
a couple of songs. He's like he's like, let's do

690
00:33:21.640 --> 00:33:23.319
a split, and I was like, all right. So they

691
00:33:23.359 --> 00:33:25.680
recorded a couple of songs and it ended up coming

692
00:33:25.680 --> 00:33:29.599
out and unsawt Our witch Trap split. And so that guy,

693
00:33:29.680 --> 00:33:34.920
he went beyond what I would have expected somebody because

694
00:33:34.960 --> 00:33:37.759
he was already financially fucked, but he rented this beautiful

695
00:33:37.799 --> 00:33:39.319
house and a studio for us and everything.

696
00:33:39.480 --> 00:33:42.200
So we got treed. Oh. I know how.

697
00:33:42.039 --> 00:33:46.079
Fortunate we were, because I've heard some some other difficult

698
00:33:46.160 --> 00:33:49.839
stories from other bands that they weren't as lucky. Yes,

699
00:33:50.160 --> 00:33:52.000
but those are the two sides of the coin. So

700
00:33:52.160 --> 00:33:55.599
sometimes sometimes your band member breaks your leg, and sometimes

701
00:33:55.599 --> 00:33:57.839
you get to hang out in the house drinking beer

702
00:33:58.079 --> 00:33:59.000
in Columbia.

703
00:33:59.119 --> 00:34:02.640
There you go, now here you are, Milwaukee Metal Festwaukee

704
00:34:02.640 --> 00:34:05.359
Metal Fest. Absolutely can't wait for your set. And thanks

705
00:34:05.359 --> 00:34:07.240
a lot for being on the Adventures of pipe Man.

706
00:34:07.400 --> 00:34:09.320
Thank you very much. Man. I hope you stick around

707
00:34:09.360 --> 00:34:09.800
to see us.

708
00:34:09.840 --> 00:34:11.119
I will definitely stick around.

709
00:34:11.119 --> 00:34:11.599
Coo cool.

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