Aug. 2, 2026

Expellow’s Road to Wacken: Friendship, Music, and Breaking Barriers on Pipeman Radio

Expellow’s Road to Wacken: Friendship, Music, and Breaking Barriers on Pipeman Radio
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Join Pipeman in conversation with Mick, Nicky, and Daniel from Expello live at Wacken. The episode dives deep into Expello's journey through metal contests, performing at international festivals, their approach to community in music, issues of hate, social media, personal authenticity, political perspectives, and their plans for the future. Humor and insight abound in this candid discussion that moves effortlessly from band stories to broader social topics.Main Topics Covered

  • Expello’s Journey to Wacken and International Metal Battle Success
  • Philosophy on Music, Performance, and Audience Connection
  • Dealing with Social Media, Hate, and Personal Authenticity
  • Perspectives on Politics, Privilege, and Social Responsibility
  • Band Anniversaries, New Music, and Merch
  • Community, Friendship, and “Be Kind or Be Quiet” Ethos
Key Discussions & StoriesExpello’s Path to Wacken
  • Mick recounts the band's initial reluctance toward contests and how their manager encouraged them to try again after a disappointing first experience (01:00).
  • The process of competing in the Swiss Rock ‘n’ Metal Battle, performing against top national bands, and unexpectedly advancing and winning (02:17).
Playing Without Pressure
  • The band reflects on their “just play” attitude, believing their prize was simply to perform at Wacken, not win, which let them play with less pressure (04:38).
  • Pipeman credits this lack of ego as a key to success (05:28).
Community & Audience Connection
  • Mick and Nicky describe the band’s relationship with their audience as a friendship or family, preferring “friendos” over “fans” (07:02).
  • The powerful and surreal experience of hearing audiences sing their lyrics back (08:28).
  • Discussion of music as therapy for both artists and listeners, and the importance of allowing audiences to find their own meaning in songs (10:01).
Social Media & Hate
  • Stories about reactions to Nicky’s painted nails and rainbow guitar strap, and Mick’s visible muscles, highlighting body shaming and hate online (17:00).
  • Commentary on internet culture, social media amplification, and the influence of negative political leaders (20:08).
Political & Social Viewpoints
  • The team discusses the importance of good political leadership, building bridges, and the realities behind clickbait headlines (22:04).
  • Mick details working with politicians from different camps and the hope found in collaborative community-level politics (24:11).
  • Dialogue about privilege, wealth, and fair distribution of resources, with comparisons between Swiss and American attitudes (31:08).
  • Examination of religious tithing, charity, and complexities in addressing poverty (36:20).
The “Be Kind or Be Quiet” Ethic
  • Discussion around not generalizing or spreading hate, with memorable quotes about kindness and the value of silence when kindness cannot be offered (43:19).
Band Anniversary & What’s Next
  • Expello is celebrating their 20-year anniversary with a special show in Zurich (45:25).
  • Plans for more international shows and engagement, including hopes to tour in the United States (46:45).
  • The challenges and reluctance around content creation for social media as musicians (49:06).
  • Encouragement for fans to connect on TikTok and Instagram (@Expello Official), and instructions for ordering worldwide merch (48:02).
Notable Quotes
  • “We also don't refer to people who listen to our music as fans. It's more like our friendos, our friends. We see ourselves like as some kind of a big family.” — Mick (07:02)
  • “True musicians just want to play music. The people that try to be rock stars are the ones that never are rock stars.” — Pipeman (06:03)
  • “It costs you nothing to just be kind. And even if you can't, for the love of whatever, if you can't bring it upon yourself to be kind, then you can at least be quiet.” — Mick (43:19)
  • “If a king has to say ‘I am the king,’ he's no king.” — Nicky (21:20)
  • “Be kind or be quiet.” — Pipeman, encapsulating the band’s message.
Resources & Links Mentioned
  • Expello Merch & Socials:
  • Connect with Expello on all major streaming platforms like Spotify.
  • For event info: Anniversary show in Zurich (end of November, check socials for details).
  • Pipeman mentions covering US metal festivals and support for booking Expello in the United States.
  • Mention of Expello headliner at Headbanger Stage at Wacken.


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Fore wow, cra you you.

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This is the pipe Man here on the Adventurers Pipe

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Man W four c Y Radio, and I'm here with Hi.

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WE'REX fellow. I am nick I'm doing the vocals.

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I'm Nicky. I'm doing guitars.

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An Daniel also playing guitars.

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Nice here at Vadkin, Like, tell me the story of

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the road to Vadkin. How you got the vodking, because like,

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I don't mean how you drove here or whatever, but

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I know you got and you could tell me that too.

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But I know you guys did did some great things

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to uh, you know, basically get here and be able

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to play at Vadkin. So tell me about it, all right.

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It all started in twenty twenty five and we have

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never played the contest before. And then Marco, our manager,

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signed us up first for the Blood Battle, which was

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like playing for a slot at bud In Blues Festival,

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and it was it was a terrible show on our site.

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We came in like second or some things, but we

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didn't cut a slot and then we were like we

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never played contest again. This sucks, man.

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This is like it's like there's a reason we've never

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done this. I mean, we just suck at it.

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And then was then all of a sudden there was

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like the applications were open for Walking Metal Battle, the

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Swiss edition, and I mean we have been passive for

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many years. It was like Kenna, and then then there

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was a pandemic and ship and so it wasn't really

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in our minds and in anyone's minds, and then we.

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Didn't want to.

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And Marco was like he started to fill out the

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form and then like but then he kind of canceled.

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And then like one from the organizator organization promoters here

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was like, hey, Mark, I've seen you started filling out

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the form. Just finished it, man like nice, finished the

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form and and and apply and we'll we'll see and

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and then we entered the contest. And first of all,

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we had in our semi finals we were up against

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Safe Your Last Breath, and they were here on Monday

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actually with the fucking on the Greenfield Foundation in the

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landcast now, and but we thought like, okay, we have

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zero chances against them, and for some reason we made

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it in the finals.

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And in the finals were like.

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Wait, wait, wait. For some reason, probably because you're fucking good. Okay,

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maybe I'll say it for you.

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I think we had like and in the finals also,

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there were like eight bands in total in the Swiss finals,

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so a lot of bands, and they were all really

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really good, and so we were we went in there

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like again, like, there's no way we're gonna make it

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against all these seven other really really good bands.

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And then again, I mean it was the best of

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the best from Switzerland.

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You know, it was the Creme de la crem So.

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Well, there you go.

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And then we kind of made it. And then we

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came here and again there were like twenty nine other bands,

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and we were like, yeah, I mean playing vocan in

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and of itself is like as a price, yeah, and

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the big honor and the connections and everything, and.

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Yeah, we actually thought, and I think I speak for

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all of us, we thought the price was playing here

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just you know, this twenty minute slot, that was the price.

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I think I knew that there was a contest here too, but.

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Like I didn't know there was a contest here.

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I thought, I know, they just give those bands all

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a chance to play here for twenty minutes.

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I mean, sure, watch, but.

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It's it's just you know, an honest platform for everyone,

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and I thought, that's so nice to play here. You know,

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they just give those prices for playing here at Vokan,

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And they were like.

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You thought it was like a ruffle or something like

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that Domini announcement.

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I thought winning the local Metal Battle was like that

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was the final and then you're like, yeah, you win

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a slot at Vakan, and then there's nothing more.

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I mean kind of this is it is. It is

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a price to play here and this whole experience.

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Of course, it's a price. That's why I thought that.

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So yeah, and then we came here, everything went really well,

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and then we kind of want the entire International Metal

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Battle for some reason. And now we're back here again

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and we just played the Headbanger stage that we played

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last year too, and it was it was incredible. We

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loved every second of it, but was We were kind

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of kind of thrown into this and didn't expect to

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come this for honestly, but we really love that it

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happened this way and we're really grateful for the whole experience.

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is that you didn't think you were in a contest,

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so then you were just playing, you know, no pressure,

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no mind games of yourself. It was just like we're

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just playing. You don't even know you're in a concert

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in a contest, you know. But the thing is too,

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is like I can tell your real musicians because you

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have no ego, like the fact that you have the

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attitude you did. It's why you won in my in

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my opinion, because like listen, there's a lot of bands

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out there. They think they're God's gift to music and

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they don't go anywhere because true music just want to

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play music. You know, they don't like sit. I always say,

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true musicians aren't looking to become rock stars. They just

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want to play music. The people that try to be

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rock stars are the ones that never are rock stars.

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I think that's really our vibe too.

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Like we love playing live shows, right, It's just I mean,

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I personally don't like studio work that much.

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I like it that much.

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I love being on stage. You maybe I have seen

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the show. I need the movement and the energy and just.

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Like dancing around on stage. It's just it's just so cool.

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I love it.

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It's kind of like when we had the COVID Lockdown

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and bands were doing live streams like without the crowd,

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it's a totally different vibe, Like how can you feed

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out off a crowd that isn't there? Yeah, you know.

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I mean it's an interaction, it's it's it's always an interaction.

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We also don't refer to people listen to our music

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as fans. It's more like our friend us our friends,

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because we see ourselves as like a bit of We

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see ourselves like some kind of a big family.

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That's the way it should be.

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And we don't see.

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Ourselves as like above them, like even like we are

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on a stage, but like it's still an interaction between

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two I think sites of the same thing.

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Listen. It's kind of the reason Metallica is as big

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as they are because they always say, especially Hepfield when

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they're playing a live show, the Metallica family. You're part

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of the Metallica family. So I think that attitude creates

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the family, creates the community, and it creates everything that

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makes you not artists fan, but just you're all together,

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engaging with each other, having a great time.

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Yes.

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Absolutely, yeah, it's like you come to a show without people.

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I think if there's no one in front of stage.

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It's not sure you can play for yourself, right, It's

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also great, but it's absolutely fun.

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It's different, but.

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It's like the interaction, it's like fifty percent or more

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of it, definitely.

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Oh yeah, Like what kind of feeling is it when

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people start singing back your songs, like your lyrics like that.

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That's surreal seeing people sing lyrics right in the crowd

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today And this is so this is still like so

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surreal that. I mean, at some point I've wrote something

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and now other people are singing this and this is just.

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Oh my god.

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That recently started.

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Yeah, it recently.

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Started people singing our our choruses and and and shouts

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and everything.

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It's amazing.

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The biggest compliments actually, I mean, I mean I sing,

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I'm like offstage, I'm.

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A bit like more introverted.

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Like most artists are.

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But when I when I look, when I go to

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a show, when I watch the show, it's gonna I'm

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I'm like, I'm more observant, but like there are certain.

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Bands that that.

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Touch me in a way that I gotta sing and

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that I get out of my shell and I feel like,

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I mean, everybody's different, but seeing.

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Other people do that at our shows.

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Is like a huge and it's it's such a huge compliment.

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It's something I will never take for granted because it's like, hey,

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I somehow this resonated with you, and I'm so glad

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it did, Like so cool.

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Because isn't that a big part of playing music is

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like it's therapy. It's therapy for you the artist, it's

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therapy for me the listener, you know, And so that's

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where that connection comes from it And it doesn't have

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to be the exact connection, like you may write it

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with your own meaning, and a true artist lets the

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audience put their own meaning to it instead of it

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has to mean this.

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Yeah, I mean, I mean we do something and it

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touches you.

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That's all the matters, And that's all that matters. Exactly.

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Who am I to judge how it touches you? When

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I mean.

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The way we play it touches us, the way you

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receive it touches you.

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We're on the same page exactly.

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I do love that recently has started for people when

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they announce a new song, When they released a new song,

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they often will choose the wording song X y Z

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is Yours Now and I think that's a.

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Really beautiful way to word it.

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Yes, because it now we've made it, We're not putting

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it out there. It is yours now. I mean, it's

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still kind of ours because we made it. But it's

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also the moment as an artist it gives you put

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out an artwork, any sort of artwork, you leave it

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up to the interpretation and to whatever the audience or

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the people who receive it, what they make of it,

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what it means to them, what they creative it, what

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stories they attached to it. And I feel like this

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is part of this interaction between artists and audience that

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makes us two sides of the same coin, where none.

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Is above the other and what keeps arts alive and soulful.

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Actually profit twice from this because.

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We can play the songs we intended, like how they're

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intended to how we feel them.

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It goes to you, the listener.

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You receive it, it touches you, and then you come

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back to us and tell us it touched me so much.

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I had such a great experience listening to you. And

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that's what comes back, And that's actually why we profit

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twice of that.

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Right. That's where you're smart too, because I don't have

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respect for artists that write a song and somebody comes

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up to him that really resonates with and they say

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what it means to them, and the art says, well,

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that's not what the song means, and there's that's just

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why would you do that. Let the person put their own,

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like you said, interpretation to it, because that's the point,

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just like you said, any art, Okay, you take a painting.

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Everybody can look at painting differently and get something different

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out of it and probably not even what the artist meant.

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And it's a perfect example because my dad was an

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artist and I have one of his paintings on my

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wall that it tells me everything about his personality. Okay,

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but other people that come in my home, including my kids,

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and look at they see something totally different because I'm

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seeing it through his eyes because I know him well enough,

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but they're just seeing something else. Like I have this

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one pain it's like a forest with a lake, but

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it's really dark, and like one of my kids will

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be like, oh, yeah, it just looks like a pretty

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lake and thing, and I'm like, to me, that was

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the darkness in my dad's personality in that painting. But

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nobody else is going to see that because they don't know.

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They don't know what he was thinking. I knew what

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he was thinking, and that's why I can see it.

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And it's the same way as song like they're one

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of my favorite lyrics ever in history, only because it's

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a brilliant lyric and I kind of relate to it.

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But I also think it's just brilliant. Is I can't

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drown my demons they know how to swim? Oh my god,

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it's fucking brilliant.

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Like my when I'm said, it's the song I'm playing

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all and all again, like for twenty four hours all again.

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Right because because it's so true, Like for me, it's true,

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like you try to keep drowning it, but it's there now.

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Is that what Ali meant by it? I don't know.

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Ali wrote it in rehab, so maybe it meant the

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same thing, but I don't care. And I'm sure he

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doesn't care what it means to him. It means to

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him and what means to me. It means to me,

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And a true artist gets that absolutely, you know.

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Critic sample I would, however, I think, like name one

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exception to that rule of artists, like not going out

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there and be like, it's not what it means. And

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that would be if someone would like take a song

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or a lyrics with it and would like interpret it

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or in a.

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Hateful, racist, fascist, whatever way.

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That's that's the moment where I like, go out on set.

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That's not what I meant.

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I'm with you on that.

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That's like the one except other than that, if I think,

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especially on a personal level, if someone says to me,

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this helped me through a rough spot in my life

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or something, absolutely fine, it's it's yours.

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Yeah that's different. If you're using it for.

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Hate, I'm happy it did, but like, yeah, that's like that.

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But that's like the one exception I would I would

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make it.

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It's yours under this condition, right exactly.

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But I'm all for that because if you're going to

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take it and turn it into some kind of negative bullshit,

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then no, I don't want you to. If I were

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the artist, I wouldn't want you doing that, you know,

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like to use it to hate people like you said, racism,

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anti anything, you know, anti any human or whatever. It's

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one thing. If you're taking and apply it to your

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own life and it helps you therapeutically, that's the point

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the stuff you're talking that's not therapeutic, that's just being

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an asshole to be blunt, Yes, exactly, you know. Yeah,

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And there's no room for assholes in metal, that's my opinion.

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That's why we're here to get away from the assholes. Listen.

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I live in Florida. I'm fifteen minutes from Resident Rump. Okay, yeah,

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I love getting out of there. I live on an island,

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so I'm like, the crazies are over there, and thank

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god I'm going back on tour and doing festivals because

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I gotta get the fuck out of here, you know.

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And I don't even understand why people spend so much

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energy on hate, on things that they don't affect their

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life in any way, shape or form. What do you

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care what other people do if it doesn't affect your

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life and you're not purposely trying to hurt anybody.

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Yeah, you see, a good example is.

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How the people reacted in the people reacted in the

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live stream, and it cost me nothing to paint my nails,

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and the reactions were so dire.

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People invested more energy.

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Than ever and Rainbow and my Rainbow guitar straps.

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Played my biceps too, because because like, I'm I'm doing

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a lot of sports like and and sword fighting and stuff,

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and it's like.

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It's not really woman to have muscles.

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How could I how could I have the audacity to

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have muscles?

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They had like.

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Apparently I don't read the comments, but I will not

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grace them with my attention. But apparently I was told

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they were like, guys, guys, I'm just I am one

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hundred percent positive. It's been exclusively guys crying about the

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fact that I was too massive, that you could probably

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kick with my with my biceps, and I was like

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too and rochiness and what this trans metal was.

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First of all, trans is not an insult. Second and

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rogunity is not an insult.

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Third of all, gay is not an insult, and and

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fourth of all, muscles are fucking healthy. And and in

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a world where we have where we have ozembic on

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the rise, where women again once again have to be

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as frail as possible, strength, strength is fucking awesome. I

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eat food to all day long. It's fucking amazing.

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I love it. I love having a biceps.

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I love having muscles, and I love being strong and capable.

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And how does that affect these people are fucking saying ship.

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I don't know, they're probably just jealous. They wish they

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had my boy sets.

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And I'll tell you what. Some of the hardest women

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I know, they're pretty fucking you know, beefed, you know.

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And and but they're healthy, Like you said, like, why

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are people hating because you're being healthy?

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Actually, when you get older, it's so important to have

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muscle mass.

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Why are they's anyway commenting on your outside you know?

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I mean, I mean it's probably that.

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It's probably the dudes that have, you know, like the

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big stomachs ugly face and little fucking peepies that are fucking.

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I want to get to that.

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I want to say, yeah, we should not body shame,

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we should not body shame.

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And you're right, it's jealousy, You're right. But they're usually

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that's the person that's hating on somebody like you.

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You know, it's cure and happy and content with yourself.

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I don't think you're doing that.

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So no, but but like really all the compliments exactly.

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And I mean there's just also people they just like

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to hate, you know.

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There's just specially now some people are just assholes, especially

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now for two reasons three reasons, Internet, social media, and

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asshole political leaders that give them permission. That's what's going

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on in my country. It's not that the people that

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are the fucking haters now weren't haters. It's now they've

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been given permission to not subdue that and fucking hate

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other people.

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Yeah, and also think it's just blare it out anywhere

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they fucking want, you know exactly.

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I mean, I mean fifty.

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Years ago, if you have like a couple of people

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in the town being assholes, no one knows about them.

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Now they're getting presidents.

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Yeah, and right exactly.

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You know.

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And I personally think that you and I should not

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be politically correct, but I think the leader of your

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country should be. That's why it's called politically correct, because

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you're a politician and you should act a certain way

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and not like a fucking piece.

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Of you're a leader.

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Leaders don't do that, but you should cure.

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You should be.

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Idiot, someone looking up to, Yeah, someone to look up to.

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Exactly. It's insecure idiots that have to like I'm this,

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I'm not I'm if you have to say it, then

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you're not just add that, you see.

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I just want to quote the game of thrones there

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because if a king has to say I am the king,

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he's no king. No exactly, it's not verbatim, I know,

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but it doesn't matter.

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But it's spot on. And if you're a true leader,

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as somebody, I'm also a motivational speaker, and I like

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a true leader is positive, builds you up, makes you

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feel good, not this other bullshit. And it's spreading throughout

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the world. I don't know what the fuck's happening.

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So you're talking about Barack Obama.

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No, but I feel like I feel like what what

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I really liked about was like the way he used

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his rhetorics, like he was very spot on, but he

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was also like collaborative. You can acknowledge your political opponents,

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you can acknowledge their work and their positions, and you

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can you should always try to strive for common grounds

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so everyone profits in the end. And yes, there's a

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lot of compromising in politics.

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They're always because your whole country people.

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Yes, And and what what I'm basically saying like from

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this administration is like is like, it's not that, And

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I just I work in political environments actually, and I

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work for people. I mean not I'm not I'm not

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a politician, but like I do work together with politicians

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and from from from the entire spectrum, and there are.

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People who who have other opinions on things.

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And I feel like when we look at the media,

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and there are and there's a lot of I mean,

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Trump is very clickbaity, he is exactly so, and and

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the media is all over him so and it's perpetuating

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this this circus by like always posting headlines about stuff.

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He said.

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But like when you actually work in political environment, work

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with politicians, like like in a on a on a

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communal level, like you notice that, like in reality, you'll

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find common ground. You have differences, but you still find

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common ground. We have like I'm working environmental protection and.

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There is like our our our boss kind.

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Of boss, like we have like a political kind of

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boss in our work field that is a signed to us.

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And he's actually like from another political camp then I

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would like call myself. But he's still he's so such

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a person who builds bridges.

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And for example, he's like.

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Very very in the economic fields with his party and

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the very financial, very economic growth and stuff. And he's

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always been very keen on like coming to us with

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when we have an idea or a plan or anything.

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It's like, hey, if you want to make this work economically,

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here's what you have to do. When you want to

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get the financial people on board with, here's what you

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have to look out for. And this is the ship.

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And I think it's worth mentioning because all we're getting

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told is that politics is a shit show. And it's

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not that we have on community, communal community level, there

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is a lot of very important it's actually the grassroots

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level there and there's a lot of important work being

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done of people who were who are very passionate about

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their things and really try to find common grounds and

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it's nothing like the circus we're being told. So I

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think that's important to mention, like, there is hope totally,

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and there is there are things happening, and yeah, you.

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Know where the hope is and where is it in

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like two and a half years hope for you?

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Yea hope that will definitely affect all of us.

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It's already is. Look at what's happened in this country

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where and other countries where people are following his freaking lead,

445
00:25:50.920 --> 00:25:58.720
you know, politicians. Unfortunately, it's unbelievable to me and see

446
00:25:58.799 --> 00:26:02.599
listen The thing is, the people that are his strongest

447
00:26:02.640 --> 00:26:06.440
followers are people he would never break bread within a

448
00:26:06.480 --> 00:26:09.839
million years. They makes fun of he's a New York

449
00:26:09.880 --> 00:26:13.039
commercial real estate developer. It doesn't get more scummy than that,

450
00:26:13.079 --> 00:26:15.160
by the way, And I'm from New York and New Jersey,

451
00:26:15.240 --> 00:26:20.359
okay that title. The Rednecks in the Hillbillies in our

452
00:26:20.440 --> 00:26:26.200
country are his are people he would hate, but he

453
00:26:26.279 --> 00:26:28.920
appeals to them, so he does it for a reason.

454
00:26:29.240 --> 00:26:33.240
They're his biggest fans. The other ones that are his

455
00:26:33.359 --> 00:26:38.880
biggest followers blow my mind, especially in my state, Florida.

456
00:26:38.960 --> 00:26:43.359
All the women I know, like, I think they want

457
00:26:43.480 --> 00:26:47.599
bang them or something. They're so like into him, and

458
00:26:47.640 --> 00:26:50.160
I'm like, what the fuck is wrong with you?

459
00:26:50.960 --> 00:26:51.079
Like?

460
00:26:51.759 --> 00:26:54.200
And I have one more that's a really good example.

461
00:26:54.359 --> 00:26:59.319
I have a niece who is a black, transgender and

462
00:26:59.359 --> 00:27:03.640
a total true I'm like, how can you possibly be

463
00:27:03.680 --> 00:27:07.000
a trumper? I don't understand me neither.

464
00:27:07.359 --> 00:27:10.000
I cannot explain this, but I can explain that you

465
00:27:10.039 --> 00:27:12.039
should always follow the money.

466
00:27:11.680 --> 00:27:13.240
Trail because there's a lot.

467
00:27:13.319 --> 00:27:17.160
There's always a lot of people who profit off whatever

468
00:27:17.200 --> 00:27:18.519
that fuck heart is doing.

469
00:27:18.759 --> 00:27:20.519
Of course, that's what it's about.

470
00:27:20.799 --> 00:27:21.880
I could do the same.

471
00:27:22.079 --> 00:27:24.480
I could just invest in oil when he talks shit,

472
00:27:24.680 --> 00:27:26.759
and then when he comes back and just sell it

473
00:27:26.799 --> 00:27:29.759
again and we're all getting rich together.

474
00:27:29.920 --> 00:27:33.359
I was actually very big in the financial business. And

475
00:27:34.039 --> 00:27:37.079
I can tell you right now I have watched what

476
00:27:37.480 --> 00:27:42.160
when he says stuff, he's doing it to manipulate the market.

477
00:27:42.440 --> 00:27:45.200
Of course he does all the time. Of course if

478
00:27:45.240 --> 00:27:48.039
you watch it very well, and he gets out of

479
00:27:48.160 --> 00:27:51.480
stuff and then says something, and he gets back in

480
00:27:51.799 --> 00:27:56.279
and says something else, and it's so obvious way he's doing.

481
00:27:56.640 --> 00:27:59.480
But the idiots have followed him. Listen. He said it

482
00:27:59.519 --> 00:28:02.319
in the age, She said, if I ever run for president,

483
00:28:02.599 --> 00:28:05.039
I'm running as a Republican because they're idiots and no

484
00:28:05.240 --> 00:28:09.160
vote for me. Here we are and they know he's

485
00:28:09.200 --> 00:28:14.440
said this, and they still vote for him. And I

486
00:28:14.440 --> 00:28:17.039
can tell you the last election, I'll tell you how

487
00:28:17.079 --> 00:28:19.720
stupid people are. I do a funny bit on my

488
00:28:20.160 --> 00:28:24.160
radio show, on my live show for every election, vote

489
00:28:24.200 --> 00:28:27.160
Pipeman for pres And I make up this whole funny

490
00:28:27.640 --> 00:28:34.759
shock jock thing. So in twenty sixteen, I wrote myself

491
00:28:34.799 --> 00:28:38.759
in as a candidate. That was my vote. Okay, six

492
00:28:38.839 --> 00:28:42.880
of my listeners voted for me and I'm like, what

493
00:28:42.920 --> 00:28:45.880
the fuck is wrong with you people? It was a joke.

494
00:28:46.640 --> 00:28:50.960
It was a joke, and they're voting for not me

495
00:28:51.319 --> 00:28:55.920
Dean or voting for I do this thing there. It's

496
00:28:55.960 --> 00:28:59.240
a joke on my radio show where it's like I

497
00:28:59.279 --> 00:29:02.160
do a voice over of Bill Clinton saying I did

498
00:29:02.200 --> 00:29:05.079
not have sexual relations with that woman, and then I

499
00:29:05.160 --> 00:29:08.480
come on, vote Pipeman for president. I will have sexual

500
00:29:08.519 --> 00:29:11.759
relations with that woman. And those six people that vote

501
00:29:11.759 --> 00:29:15.440
for me all women, no wonder Trump's president?

502
00:29:17.400 --> 00:29:20.720
Well, yeah, politics is.

503
00:29:21.400 --> 00:29:23.559
You know what I want? This is why I want.

504
00:29:24.079 --> 00:29:28.759
I did vote for the other person this last election,

505
00:29:29.640 --> 00:29:34.400
and for one reason, one reason only, not economics, because

506
00:29:34.440 --> 00:29:37.720
I wasn't sure she would be good economic. I wasn't

507
00:29:37.759 --> 00:29:40.759
sure she would be good for foreign policy. There was

508
00:29:40.799 --> 00:29:45.880
one reason, the joy and love thing and the feeling good.

509
00:29:46.240 --> 00:29:50.599
I don't give a fuck about anything else. Be loving

510
00:29:50.640 --> 00:29:55.000
to everybody, everybody's treat everybody like a human. Let's all

511
00:29:55.200 --> 00:29:58.960
feel good, let's all be positive. But all these other

512
00:29:59.039 --> 00:30:02.400
assholes want to vot for the guy that sits there

513
00:30:02.880 --> 00:30:05.680
like wants to make fun of everybody, wants to be

514
00:30:05.720 --> 00:30:10.480
an asshole and teach everybody to be an asshole. I'm

515
00:30:10.599 --> 00:30:12.400
ready to go to Switzerland, to be honest.

516
00:30:12.680 --> 00:30:16.640
I mean, in Switzerland we are really blessed with I

517
00:30:16.640 --> 00:30:19.559
mean it's not perfect. I'm not saying that our democratic

518
00:30:19.559 --> 00:30:21.519
system is perfect by any means.

519
00:30:21.200 --> 00:30:22.920
It's close to perfect.

520
00:30:22.519 --> 00:30:24.759
If you compare it to anyone else.

521
00:30:25.319 --> 00:30:30.680
Yes, but no, I mean, I mean maybe I wouldn't

522
00:30:30.680 --> 00:30:33.920
say that, I wouldn't go so far. But I think

523
00:30:35.200 --> 00:30:40.720
we have a lot of good things here and I

524
00:30:40.759 --> 00:30:45.160
do appreciate that also we as citizens do you get

525
00:30:45.160 --> 00:30:49.359
a vote not only on the heads but also on

526
00:30:49.880 --> 00:30:54.079
direct issues. Love with our direct democracy, and I appreciate

527
00:30:54.119 --> 00:30:58.039
this a lot in our country, so especially with everything

528
00:30:58.880 --> 00:30:59.440
going on.

529
00:31:00.119 --> 00:31:01.079
Actually, so.

530
00:31:02.559 --> 00:31:05.039
It's good because other countries are changing.

531
00:31:05.680 --> 00:31:08.920
In any way. I feel like it's it's it's one thing.

532
00:31:08.960 --> 00:31:11.960
I mean, it's a big privilege, I think, and it's

533
00:31:12.039 --> 00:31:14.200
a big privilege that we need to be aware of

534
00:31:14.279 --> 00:31:16.920
to be to be living, to be born and raised

535
00:31:16.960 --> 00:31:21.039
and be living in a country like Switzerland. It's like

536
00:31:21.079 --> 00:31:24.680
for for I mean, to to draw the line back

537
00:31:24.720 --> 00:31:27.400
to rock metal battle, I mean we we are compared

538
00:31:27.440 --> 00:31:32.960
to other countries. I mean we're pretty well situated. Also,

539
00:31:33.119 --> 00:31:36.039
I mean financially, none of us I mean we're not

540
00:31:36.920 --> 00:31:44.319
rich or something, but like in comparison, you neither you neither,

541
00:31:44.519 --> 00:31:45.079
none of us.

542
00:31:45.200 --> 00:31:46.960
I mean we're getting we're getting by and.

543
00:31:46.839 --> 00:31:50.200
We and we're set up well it's it's okay, but

544
00:31:50.359 --> 00:31:54.279
like we are rich compared to many other countries also

545
00:31:54.359 --> 00:31:56.759
many other countries taking part in this contest.

546
00:31:57.039 --> 00:31:58.759
And me, for for.

547
00:31:58.680 --> 00:32:01.400
A part, like felt kind of bad receiving like a

548
00:32:01.440 --> 00:32:04.720
five pound uh euro price money.

549
00:32:05.759 --> 00:32:09.000
I mean we we also used.

550
00:32:08.839 --> 00:32:12.119
That money and we're glad we had it because we

551
00:32:12.200 --> 00:32:15.319
don't have Like make music is really expensive.

552
00:32:15.960 --> 00:32:17.680
It's an expensive harvey.

553
00:32:18.079 --> 00:32:21.279
And imagine how expensive it is for people in other countries.

554
00:32:21.440 --> 00:32:25.160
Yes, and and it was like part of me it

555
00:32:25.279 --> 00:32:30.480
just felt like it's sort of unfair because there would

556
00:32:30.480 --> 00:32:35.119
have been maybe other bands who that money. It would

557
00:32:35.160 --> 00:32:38.839
have like meant or it would have meant a lot

558
00:32:38.960 --> 00:32:43.680
more and and would have allowed for much greater progress.

559
00:32:44.960 --> 00:32:48.160
I mean, it's still a contest and and the rules

560
00:32:48.200 --> 00:32:51.880
are the rules, and yet there's like always this this

561
00:32:52.000 --> 00:32:54.319
part of me that felt a bit bad in that moment.

562
00:32:54.839 --> 00:32:56.559
And I don't know if it makes sense.

563
00:32:56.440 --> 00:33:00.839
Like because it's just like you're already kind of privileged

564
00:33:01.519 --> 00:33:04.640
and then you win this contest. I mean, yes, you've

565
00:33:04.680 --> 00:33:08.000
earned it in that situation for like you didn't still

566
00:33:08.000 --> 00:33:08.799
think of other things.

567
00:33:09.039 --> 00:33:11.119
It's a countries that are not that rich.

568
00:33:11.319 --> 00:33:13.720
It's a great attitude. I'll tell you a story happened

569
00:33:13.720 --> 00:33:16.480
to me. I was living in Copenhagen for a couple

570
00:33:16.599 --> 00:33:21.000
months and I was talking to this girl that lived there,

571
00:33:21.039 --> 00:33:23.960
and they were like, hey, of us surrounding you know.

572
00:33:24.559 --> 00:33:27.039
She was saying something because we always like to say

573
00:33:27.039 --> 00:33:31.559
in my country about them being socialists and paying high taxes.

574
00:33:32.559 --> 00:33:35.079
And what she said to me was like I thought

575
00:33:35.119 --> 00:33:38.880
it was brilliant. She said, yeah, we pay higher taxes,

576
00:33:39.559 --> 00:33:43.319
but why should I own two cars and my next

577
00:33:43.359 --> 00:33:46.799
door neighbor not have any. We like to share with

578
00:33:46.880 --> 00:33:51.599
our countrymen. And that's their attitude, you know, Like, what

579
00:33:51.759 --> 00:33:56.559
a great attitude. I think that should be the standards

580
00:33:57.240 --> 00:34:00.559
well our country. It's like you have to be better.

581
00:34:00.599 --> 00:34:03.440
We call it keeping up with the Joneses.

582
00:34:04.200 --> 00:34:07.079
Yeah. Yeah, it's like if there is no.

583
00:34:09.760 --> 00:34:14.960
Competition, yeah, no, competition is a problem. If there is

584
00:34:15.039 --> 00:34:18.159
absolutely no competition, there's the possibility.

585
00:34:17.679 --> 00:34:18.960
That no one is doing anything.

586
00:34:19.760 --> 00:34:23.960
That's not really the solution to everything.

587
00:34:24.119 --> 00:34:25.960
And look at me, it's on.

588
00:34:27.519 --> 00:34:36.159
But absolutely, Yeah, my only cap I have nice. But

589
00:34:37.239 --> 00:34:40.360
there should be the possibility for people that don't have

590
00:34:40.480 --> 00:34:43.599
that much, that don't have the possibility to get into

591
00:34:44.320 --> 00:34:48.880
a standard earning into standard financial services, they should have

592
00:34:48.920 --> 00:34:52.599
the possibility to get into that from people that already

593
00:34:52.719 --> 00:34:57.559
have that possibility. And for most people that have the possibility,

594
00:34:57.639 --> 00:35:00.880
it's not like giving half of their wealth. It's like

595
00:35:00.960 --> 00:35:05.960
giving a percent, one and a half percent, something like that,

596
00:35:06.360 --> 00:35:08.320
and that's not hurting them, absolutely not.

597
00:35:08.719 --> 00:35:11.559
And I'm what should I say?

598
00:35:11.960 --> 00:35:15.519
I have enough money, I'm okay, I have my flat,

599
00:35:15.599 --> 00:35:17.280
I have my care. I'm fine.

600
00:35:18.000 --> 00:35:20.719
If someone tells me, hey, we now have the solution.

601
00:35:20.559 --> 00:35:25.199
To give everybody a great life, just give twenty percent

602
00:35:25.239 --> 00:35:26.119
of everything you've.

603
00:35:25.920 --> 00:35:28.719
Got, I mean, who cares? Nice?

604
00:35:29.519 --> 00:35:32.679
And I think that should be the mood for the.

605
00:35:32.639 --> 00:35:34.840
People that have the possibility to do that. About the

606
00:35:34.920 --> 00:35:38.719
extreme religious organizations that pass or play it around and

607
00:35:38.760 --> 00:35:42.199
tell people to give up tie ten percent or money

608
00:35:42.679 --> 00:35:45.679
to God, why don't you give that ten percent to

609
00:35:45.760 --> 00:35:46.719
the other humans.

610
00:35:47.440 --> 00:35:50.000
We have a word for that in Germany. It's called

611
00:35:50.119 --> 00:35:50.920
h and soon.

612
00:35:52.679 --> 00:35:53.280
Define it.

613
00:35:54.639 --> 00:35:57.320
It's it's a son of a bit.

614
00:35:57.599 --> 00:36:02.880
Yeah, it's like money transferred when you have been conceived.

615
00:36:03.360 --> 00:36:06.800
Ah, I like, son of a bitch better.

616
00:36:06.960 --> 00:36:10.480
Yeah, I was trying to be more politically correctly.

617
00:36:10.639 --> 00:36:14.119
Yeah, but you're not. You're not the president of Germany,

618
00:36:14.519 --> 00:36:15.440
so you could be.

619
00:36:15.800 --> 00:36:19.719
That would never be, you know.

620
00:36:20.199 --> 00:36:23.719
But but seriously, though, why are we doing that? Why

621
00:36:24.360 --> 00:36:27.159
if we want to tithe and give ten percent, give

622
00:36:27.199 --> 00:36:29.800
it to your neighbor that needs it, give it to

623
00:36:30.079 --> 00:36:33.159
other people that need it. Why are they're homeless people

624
00:36:33.239 --> 00:36:36.840
that can't eat, But yet you're giving money to a

625
00:36:36.960 --> 00:36:40.280
religious organization. Don't get it?

626
00:36:40.480 --> 00:36:43.159
Maybe in hope that they give it to the homeless

627
00:36:43.239 --> 00:36:46.400
people because they preach that, well they think.

628
00:36:46.280 --> 00:36:49.599
That, I mean, maybe they think, you know, they they're

629
00:36:49.760 --> 00:36:50.760
just all delusional.

630
00:36:50.880 --> 00:36:54.519
Then, because someone preaches that we should get the money

631
00:36:54.599 --> 00:36:57.519
for the people in need, what they don't disclose is

632
00:36:57.599 --> 00:37:01.840
that the people in need are them saying elves, Well,

633
00:37:01.960 --> 00:37:02.559
even while I.

634
00:37:03.000 --> 00:37:06.840
Need, I am in need of more and more and

635
00:37:06.960 --> 00:37:07.760
more and the more.

636
00:37:08.079 --> 00:37:11.079
I mean, when I would find out that people just

637
00:37:11.679 --> 00:37:18.320
stupidly give me money for just nothing, why stopping right right? So,

638
00:37:18.960 --> 00:37:21.559
I think it's that they just found a way where

639
00:37:21.960 --> 00:37:25.280
they can open a fountain of money and it keeps pouring,

640
00:37:25.360 --> 00:37:28.039
and it keeps pouring, and it keeps pouring, and then

641
00:37:28.079 --> 00:37:32.199
they tell themselves, what if I just conned them into

642
00:37:33.159 --> 00:37:36.679
giving me even more money by just, you know, maybe

643
00:37:37.039 --> 00:37:39.119
relying to them even more well like.

644
00:37:39.719 --> 00:37:40.800
I would like I would like to have.

645
00:37:40.920 --> 00:37:43.719
I think we have to be a bit careful because

646
00:37:43.760 --> 00:37:48.880
there are a lot of religious organizations also who who

647
00:37:48.960 --> 00:37:53.079
do a lot of honorable charitable work. That's why I

648
00:37:53.199 --> 00:37:57.280
provide that's a lot a lot of communities. And I

649
00:37:57.400 --> 00:38:01.960
think it's I think it's it's it's dangerous to generalize

650
00:38:02.000 --> 00:38:09.119
too much in any specific.

651
00:38:09.039 --> 00:38:11.119
Religion. Everything. Those are big.

652
00:38:12.519 --> 00:38:18.039
Topics and complex topics, and all these issues that we're

653
00:38:18.079 --> 00:38:21.480
talking about, they are complex, and I think there there

654
00:38:21.679 --> 00:38:24.599
is the trick in it, there is there are no

655
00:38:24.840 --> 00:38:31.320
easy solutions. Even when there when there are easy solutions

656
00:38:31.480 --> 00:38:32.559
being sold.

657
00:38:34.000 --> 00:38:37.840
Normally, the things aren't always that easy.

658
00:38:38.239 --> 00:38:41.199
I'm not saying I'm not saying I'm not there are

659
00:38:41.360 --> 00:38:46.000
some things that are, in my opinion, non negotiable, like

660
00:38:46.119 --> 00:38:49.519
when it comes to to hatred or racism and stuff.

661
00:38:49.320 --> 00:38:51.519
Where where it's just just no.

662
00:38:53.280 --> 00:38:58.559
But But like poverty is a very complex issue with

663
00:38:58.719 --> 00:39:01.760
a lot of factors waking in, with a lot of

664
00:39:02.280 --> 00:39:08.079
political and non political factors like at stake, yeah so,

665
00:39:08.639 --> 00:39:11.679
and also depending on the country and depending on situation,

666
00:39:12.400 --> 00:39:17.559
depending on education, a lot of things. And I just

667
00:39:18.880 --> 00:39:25.280
think it's difficult to I mean, I just don't want

668
00:39:25.360 --> 00:39:28.400
to fall into the trap of generalizing.

669
00:39:28.559 --> 00:39:30.880
No, no, I agree with I agree with you a

670
00:39:30.960 --> 00:39:34.239
million percent. Here's my viewpoint. If they're asking you a

671
00:39:34.360 --> 00:39:38.159
religious organization is asking you for money to help the

672
00:39:38.239 --> 00:39:40.960
people in need, I'm cool with that. If they're actually

673
00:39:41.079 --> 00:39:46.079
doing it, If they're phrasing it as hey, you know,

674
00:39:46.360 --> 00:39:50.440
you're you know, paying a membership fee because there's costs

675
00:39:50.519 --> 00:39:54.719
of running that religious organization, I'm okay with that too,

676
00:39:54.760 --> 00:39:58.559
because that's like, Okay, it's an expense. I'm cool with that.

677
00:39:58.719 --> 00:40:01.400
You're you're saying it the right way when you say

678
00:40:01.480 --> 00:40:04.360
to me that you're giving it to God. I don't

679
00:40:04.400 --> 00:40:05.639
think God needs your money.

680
00:40:06.920 --> 00:40:08.960
Yes, I agree with that, But I also think that

681
00:40:09.280 --> 00:40:13.239
like poverty, especially poverty has a lot of root causes.

682
00:40:13.800 --> 00:40:18.280
And while giving money to the poor and immediate like

683
00:40:18.480 --> 00:40:22.880
help is an emergency, help is really important to like

684
00:40:23.960 --> 00:40:27.800
cover the dire needs, they're also it's it's it's it's

685
00:40:27.840 --> 00:40:31.239
not sustainable without addressing the root causes, and the root

686
00:40:31.360 --> 00:40:33.920
causes are complex and broad.

687
00:40:35.559 --> 00:40:39.199
So so so it should be yes, maybe you should run.

688
00:40:39.280 --> 00:40:42.280
It's like it's like, can you run for president in

689
00:40:42.400 --> 00:40:44.599
twenty eight in the United States?

690
00:40:45.199 --> 00:40:46.599
No, I'm not.

691
00:40:46.920 --> 00:40:50.599
I'm not a natural born US citizen. I have, in fact,

692
00:40:50.800 --> 00:40:57.840
never been on US soil really or maybe in two

693
00:40:57.880 --> 00:40:59.719
and a half years, depending on how it go.

694
00:41:00.079 --> 00:41:00.239
I know.

695
00:41:00.440 --> 00:41:06.000
Right so, because right now, just just for this interview alone,

696
00:41:06.039 --> 00:41:09.159
they probably would capture me at.

697
00:41:08.320 --> 00:41:12.360
Supporter right, I have a hard time getting back into

698
00:41:12.440 --> 00:41:15.519
my country, you know, I yes, okay.

699
00:41:15.480 --> 00:41:20.000
Because of stuff he says here like you maybe, but.

700
00:41:20.239 --> 00:41:22.599
No, seriously, like I can come to Europe, go to

701
00:41:22.679 --> 00:41:25.800
the UK. I just walk right in easy pas. He

702
00:41:25.920 --> 00:41:29.760
put my passport in the thing. Every single time I

703
00:41:29.840 --> 00:41:34.400
go back to the US during these years, I get

704
00:41:34.480 --> 00:41:38.280
asked ten million questions why are you here? Because I

705
00:41:38.480 --> 00:41:40.480
live here because of my parents?

706
00:41:41.440 --> 00:41:41.599
Right?

707
00:41:42.440 --> 00:41:47.559
Well, you know what, Well, why why you live here?

708
00:41:48.280 --> 00:41:50.519
I don't know. Look at my driver's license. Maybe I

709
00:41:50.639 --> 00:41:52.639
was born here and I've always lived here. I went

710
00:41:52.719 --> 00:41:55.400
on a trip, I'm coming home, like and blows my

711
00:41:55.559 --> 00:41:59.800
mind that they do that, Like how can I walk

712
00:41:59.840 --> 00:42:04.639
in to Germany in two seconds? And get home and

713
00:42:04.800 --> 00:42:09.920
take two hours. Blows my mind, you know, And that's

714
00:42:10.280 --> 00:42:14.280
you know, the thing is, we just need to love everybody.

715
00:42:14.840 --> 00:42:20.199
Everybody's a human. Let's care about human beings. And let's

716
00:42:20.239 --> 00:42:25.079
stop in my country picking sides. You know, it's the

717
00:42:25.159 --> 00:42:28.840
oldest stricken the book Divide and Conquer. Let's all get

718
00:42:28.920 --> 00:42:33.639
together and fight that kind of stuff, the hate, the

719
00:42:34.239 --> 00:42:37.119
you know, making fun of people and all the crap.

720
00:42:37.920 --> 00:42:41.360
I'd rather just I don't care whether they're on the

721
00:42:41.559 --> 00:42:44.679
left or the right. If they're a good person, they

722
00:42:44.760 --> 00:42:47.639
could be a politician in my country and they're doing

723
00:42:47.760 --> 00:42:48.599
the right thing.

724
00:42:49.679 --> 00:42:50.920
We should stop comparing.

725
00:42:51.760 --> 00:42:52.400
That's the point.

726
00:42:52.559 --> 00:42:55.719
Comparing is the joy the killer of joy. Yeah, and

727
00:42:56.119 --> 00:42:58.719
we should definitely stop comparing because.

728
00:42:59.320 --> 00:43:05.079
You know, I mean, if you stop comparing yourself to

729
00:43:05.239 --> 00:43:07.519
other human beings too much when it results in your

730
00:43:07.559 --> 00:43:09.280
own unhappiness and in depression.

731
00:43:09.360 --> 00:43:11.559
But maybe maybe and.

732
00:43:11.639 --> 00:43:13.920
Things that don't affect our life in any way, shape

733
00:43:14.000 --> 00:43:16.000
or form, like or just just or.

734
00:43:16.119 --> 00:43:19.760
Just don't don't hate on random people. I mean, I mean,

735
00:43:20.000 --> 00:43:22.679
there there's there is, like custom, nothing to just be

736
00:43:22.880 --> 00:43:26.239
kind and even if you can't, for for the love

737
00:43:26.320 --> 00:43:29.440
of whatever, if you if you can't bring it upon

738
00:43:29.519 --> 00:43:32.760
yourself to be kind, then you can at least be quiet.

739
00:43:33.639 --> 00:43:34.719
I like that.

740
00:43:35.519 --> 00:43:39.880
That that's the quote, right there, be kind or be quiet?

741
00:43:40.920 --> 00:43:43.039
I mean, if you ask, that's our platform.

742
00:43:43.639 --> 00:43:45.360
Sometimes you have to say it as it is. But

743
00:43:45.519 --> 00:43:50.760
like strive for collaborative approaches. Oh yeah, like.

744
00:43:52.000 --> 00:43:55.880
If you hate, if you just ask yourself before you

745
00:43:56.039 --> 00:43:58.960
do any action at all, would everyone like this?

746
00:43:59.480 --> 00:44:03.360
And you can honestly say yeah, I think everyone would

747
00:44:03.480 --> 00:44:05.079
like this. Confidentially.

748
00:44:06.400 --> 00:44:11.159
I want to talk about your tattoo. Oh yeah, it's

749
00:44:11.320 --> 00:44:16.920
freaking cool. Right, Okay, I got chased by an otter

750
00:44:17.079 --> 00:44:21.679
when I was paddleboarding in Florida. Yeah, they're vicious. Actually,

751
00:44:22.400 --> 00:44:25.519
I was like nerv I was nervous, like it was

752
00:44:25.639 --> 00:44:28.159
coming after me, and like they are they can be.

753
00:44:28.280 --> 00:44:32.280
They're very territorial and vicious. But he's cute. He's a

754
00:44:32.400 --> 00:44:33.719
nice guy. They're all cute.

755
00:44:34.880 --> 00:44:37.000
Yeah, because yeah, because he's a nice guy.

756
00:44:37.280 --> 00:44:40.559
Is he backpacking? Wait? Is he walking the Camino?

757
00:44:41.519 --> 00:44:45.679
Yeah? Probably? Yeah, probably, And he's nice to everyone. And

758
00:44:45.800 --> 00:44:49.760
he asked himself, would my actions be like by everyone?

759
00:44:50.000 --> 00:44:52.800
And he says yes, I'm a good guy.

760
00:44:53.079 --> 00:44:55.800
There you go, right, I mean he does look like

761
00:44:55.920 --> 00:44:58.960
a good guy for president, and he's got a plant

762
00:44:59.159 --> 00:45:01.159
coming out of his back, exactly.

763
00:45:00.800 --> 00:45:03.000
In the water bottle because you should stay hydrateed.

764
00:45:04.280 --> 00:45:08.599
You thought of everything. Yeah, look at that. Yeah, and

765
00:45:08.880 --> 00:45:11.400
whoever ours is, they did a really good job because

766
00:45:11.440 --> 00:45:13.559
that looks straight up just like an honor.

767
00:45:13.719 --> 00:45:16.159
Yeah, and he's black and white, he's not orange.

768
00:45:19.320 --> 00:45:22.000
Welling perfect right, But he didn't go get a spray dad,

769
00:45:22.760 --> 00:45:27.920
No yet, not yet. It could happen, though, it could happen.

770
00:45:30.039 --> 00:45:34.440
So let's get back to your music. What do you

771
00:45:34.559 --> 00:45:37.440
want to tell the listeners about what you got coming

772
00:45:37.519 --> 00:45:40.519
up on your music, Why they should connect you on

773
00:45:40.679 --> 00:45:48.039
socials and how they do that, and most importantly, how

774
00:45:48.079 --> 00:45:50.679
they buy your merch because they can't listen to my

775
00:45:50.800 --> 00:45:52.280
show unless they buy your merch.

776
00:45:52.559 --> 00:45:59.679
Okay, yeah, we're actually like celebrating our twenty year anniversary

777
00:46:00.079 --> 00:46:00.599
this year.

778
00:46:00.840 --> 00:46:02.599
So like we've been around for a while.

779
00:46:03.199 --> 00:46:06.599
And see, I knew that working out was good because

780
00:46:06.639 --> 00:46:08.320
you don't look like you could be in a band

781
00:46:08.440 --> 00:46:13.159
for twenty years. So praise the praise the muscles.

782
00:46:13.719 --> 00:46:22.239
Praise the muscles, you know, twenty years of eating and

783
00:46:22.400 --> 00:46:26.840
lifting heavy. Now, all right, we have like an anniversary

784
00:46:26.920 --> 00:46:32.880
show and the end of November in Zurich, and we're

785
00:46:32.920 --> 00:46:35.800
really looking forward to this and after that we have

786
00:46:35.920 --> 00:46:38.840
a lot of things planned for twenty twenty seven, more

787
00:46:38.880 --> 00:46:40.639
international shows actually.

788
00:46:41.000 --> 00:46:45.920
And yeah, come play regardless in the States maybe, and

789
00:46:46.119 --> 00:46:48.360
I really hope we can break ground in the United

790
00:46:48.400 --> 00:46:51.400
States at some point. Putting it out there, I cover

791
00:46:51.559 --> 00:46:54.440
all the festivals in the United States, the Metal Festival,

792
00:46:54.480 --> 00:46:55.840
so I'm putting it out there for you.

793
00:46:55.920 --> 00:46:58.079
Put it out there. Yes, we would love to come

794
00:46:58.159 --> 00:47:01.320
to you and to see the years. I've never been

795
00:47:01.400 --> 00:47:05.199
into the u US. And and yeah, if if they

796
00:47:05.320 --> 00:47:08.840
let us in, like we would love to r we

797
00:47:09.079 --> 00:47:09.400
love to.

798
00:47:11.199 --> 00:47:15.599
Actually you might be able to get in. Yeah, I

799
00:47:15.760 --> 00:47:17.280
possibly take some month's chop so.

800
00:47:19.480 --> 00:47:20.199
It works in it.

801
00:47:21.000 --> 00:47:24.800
Like I actually entered the US and they were asking me, oh,

802
00:47:25.800 --> 00:47:27.880
do you do you want to stay here in the

803
00:47:27.960 --> 00:47:34.119
work a job, and I'm like, no, for God's sake, no, yea,

804
00:47:34.960 --> 00:47:36.280
all right no.

805
00:47:36.480 --> 00:47:37.800
And for the merchandise.

806
00:47:40.000 --> 00:47:44.599
No. Really to our US listeners, we love you guys.

807
00:47:45.880 --> 00:47:49.000
We can't wait to one day come and play our

808
00:47:49.079 --> 00:47:52.239
music live to you. Don't ruin it, yeah, don't ruin it.

809
00:47:54.440 --> 00:47:59.039
Just just for the record really and for our merchandise.

810
00:47:59.159 --> 00:48:02.159
If you connect with us on our socials, you can

811
00:48:02.199 --> 00:48:06.840
reach us. We're like really freshly on TikTok, and we

812
00:48:06.960 --> 00:48:13.280
are also on Instagram under expeller Official, and yeah, there

813
00:48:13.400 --> 00:48:17.360
is a link. We have a merchandise shop and where

814
00:48:17.400 --> 00:48:20.800
you can order worldwide and we send it to you.

815
00:48:21.000 --> 00:48:23.519
So we are not signed with a label. We do

816
00:48:23.719 --> 00:48:24.880
all this by ourselves.

817
00:48:24.960 --> 00:48:28.440
We send the packages like once a week, but they

818
00:48:28.840 --> 00:48:29.679
sometimes it takes.

819
00:48:29.480 --> 00:48:29.960
A bit longer.

820
00:48:29.960 --> 00:48:33.320
Bird like they always reach their destination in the end

821
00:48:33.360 --> 00:48:36.119
of the day. So we'd love to hear from you.

822
00:48:36.320 --> 00:48:41.360
We'd love to have you amongst our friend us and

823
00:48:41.599 --> 00:48:45.079
our friends and our listeners. So check us out on

824
00:48:45.320 --> 00:48:49.480
our channels, on our socials and on Spotify or any

825
00:48:49.519 --> 00:48:50.480
other streaming service.

826
00:48:50.920 --> 00:48:53.320
So yeah, we really looking forward to it.

827
00:48:54.280 --> 00:48:56.960
Do you have an embarrassing TikTok that you guys did

828
00:48:57.079 --> 00:49:01.280
that you're embarrassed about? What an embarrassed seeing TikTok that

829
00:49:01.360 --> 00:49:03.119
you're embarrassing about that you did.

830
00:49:03.559 --> 00:49:06.239
Not yet, because we just recently started with TikTok.

831
00:49:06.320 --> 00:49:09.840
We just reposted off reels and recap reels that we

832
00:49:10.039 --> 00:49:14.000
post on Instagram. We're not really we hate the content

833
00:49:14.159 --> 00:49:20.000
creation aspect that music nowadays just work. It's it's it's

834
00:49:20.039 --> 00:49:23.519
a lot of work, and it's it's just you kind

835
00:49:23.559 --> 00:49:25.719
of require as a musician. I've seen a lot of

836
00:49:26.960 --> 00:49:30.880
bands like doing doing doing clown stuff and and trying

837
00:49:30.920 --> 00:49:33.360
to go viral and picking up trends and stuff. And

838
00:49:33.360 --> 00:49:38.960
I mean, if if that's what what what if if you.

839
00:49:39.079 --> 00:49:44.679
Have fun with that? Good? We don't we want We

840
00:49:44.880 --> 00:49:45.840
just want to make music.

841
00:49:45.920 --> 00:49:48.880
I don't blame you. I don't know why musicians have

842
00:49:49.039 --> 00:49:52.840
to do so much work nowadays. Be the musician, somebody

843
00:49:52.920 --> 00:49:53.840
else do the work.

844
00:49:54.079 --> 00:49:56.000
Just we don't want to really, we don't want to

845
00:49:56.079 --> 00:49:59.400
put on stand up comedy or anything on our socials.

846
00:49:59.760 --> 00:50:03.639
Or no no gym tiktoks. You don't want to put

847
00:50:03.679 --> 00:50:04.280
them up either.

848
00:50:04.599 --> 00:50:05.199
If you want.

849
00:50:05.079 --> 00:50:11.559
Tom harassing stuff from us, come come to show talk show,

850
00:50:11.800 --> 00:50:15.400
talk to us, and him to talk to me and

851
00:50:15.639 --> 00:50:19.079
watch me closely, because even today, if you watch the

852
00:50:19.159 --> 00:50:21.960
live stream, you can see me struggling getting up on

853
00:50:22.000 --> 00:50:23.039
the drum rise because I.

854
00:50:23.119 --> 00:50:24.559
Fucking hit my knee and fell.

855
00:50:25.280 --> 00:50:30.320
Did that I that I did exactly the same thing

856
00:50:30.880 --> 00:50:33.920
last year at the exam, exact same You need.

857
00:50:33.960 --> 00:50:37.039
To stop doing that, Okay, Like somebody's got to take

858
00:50:37.119 --> 00:50:39.880
some control and stop it from absolutely.

859
00:50:39.360 --> 00:50:44.519
Fine and if you and if you, maybe we maybe

860
00:50:44.559 --> 00:50:48.760
we can repost it for your show on Instagram where

861
00:50:48.800 --> 00:50:53.079
I did a nice jump in execution right, and then

862
00:50:53.119 --> 00:50:53.679
I fell.

863
00:50:53.559 --> 00:50:57.360
On my ass, telling yourself, I fell on my ass and.

864
00:50:57.440 --> 00:51:00.679
It looked like a little kid, you know, falling back

865
00:51:00.880 --> 00:51:03.519
on you know, on their little trousers.

866
00:51:04.360 --> 00:51:07.639
And I'm like, oh, yeah, by the way, did you

867
00:51:07.719 --> 00:51:11.519
have another interview after me? Did you have another interview

868
00:51:11.599 --> 00:51:14.440
after me? Or What's I the last? You're my last?

869
00:51:14.519 --> 00:51:15.840
That's why we took so long.

870
00:51:15.960 --> 00:51:17.199
Yeah, but we're gonna leave now.

871
00:51:17.480 --> 00:51:21.719
Yes, that's what I's getting to. I'm sick of you

872
00:51:21.840 --> 00:51:22.760
interrupting her.

873
00:51:26.320 --> 00:51:28.519
Well, then just next time, book an interview with her.

874
00:51:29.480 --> 00:51:33.079
No, no, we need all of you. We need your order.

875
00:51:34.199 --> 00:51:37.400
The order is the we need the hotdor in the interview.

876
00:51:37.480 --> 00:51:40.159
What's the odder have to say? What's the oder have

877
00:51:40.320 --> 00:51:41.719
to say? I have the odder say something.

878
00:51:43.079 --> 00:51:46.320
Yeah, the Odor is here. Yeah you can hear. It's

879
00:51:46.400 --> 00:51:47.000
nothing to say.

880
00:51:47.320 --> 00:51:49.719
He has nothing to say. We've said all we had to.

881
00:51:50.760 --> 00:51:55.039
But you know what, you guys are awesome, and uh,

882
00:51:56.199 --> 00:51:58.079
it was a long interview, but I think it was

883
00:51:58.159 --> 00:52:00.960
worth it because you guys were a great air and

884
00:52:01.079 --> 00:52:03.280
the fact that I didn't get bored and say okay,

885
00:52:03.360 --> 00:52:06.119
we're done, that says a lot about you. But your

886
00:52:06.239 --> 00:52:09.840
music is great. You guys are all great in all seriousness,

887
00:52:10.159 --> 00:52:12.400
and I hope we see a lot more of you,

888
00:52:12.519 --> 00:52:15.920
and I hope we can get you into the Danny

889
00:52:16.000 --> 00:52:19.360
Wimmer festivals in the United States. You need to have

890
00:52:19.679 --> 00:52:23.599
them there. And thanks for being on the Adventures of

891
00:52:23.639 --> 00:52:24.039
Pipe Man.

892
00:52:24.599 --> 00:52:26.559
Thank you so much for having us. And we really

893
00:52:26.679 --> 00:52:27.039
enjoyed this.

894
00:52:27.679 --> 00:52:31.159
I'm glad this talk where we just straight a bit

895
00:52:31.280 --> 00:52:34.800
from the music to talk politics in between, which and.

896
00:52:34.880 --> 00:52:36.360
I really nice that much.

897
00:52:36.440 --> 00:52:38.679
I rarely never talk politics.

898
00:52:38.760 --> 00:52:43.000
I rarely do either, but it happened. That's why I do.

899
00:52:43.199 --> 00:52:45.280
The interview is the way I do like it takes

900
00:52:45.320 --> 00:52:47.800
a life of it on its own. Whatever happens happens.

901
00:52:48.199 --> 00:52:50.920
You actually said that in the beginning, you were you

902
00:52:51.079 --> 00:52:54.199
were not promising us an interview. You've been promising us

903
00:52:54.320 --> 00:52:57.320
a conversation exactly, and that's exactly what happens.

904
00:52:57.880 --> 00:53:01.719
And fuck those people that give you ship your nails. Okay, yeah,

905
00:53:01.840 --> 00:53:04.679
it could be worse that you could have fungus nails.

906
00:53:05.320 --> 00:53:06.000
He doesn't care.

907
00:53:06.199 --> 00:53:07.039
I don't care.

908
00:53:07.119 --> 00:53:07.519
I'm glad.

909
00:53:07.519 --> 00:53:10.079
I would rather give them nails for her fuck or whatever.

910
00:53:10.239 --> 00:53:13.239
And I'm glad though, because everybody should just do whatever

911
00:53:13.320 --> 00:53:13.880
they want to do.

912
00:53:14.440 --> 00:53:15.000
You do you?

913
00:53:15.519 --> 00:53:19.360
And why people make no look at them? Now? That

914
00:53:19.599 --> 00:53:23.320
was pretty good. That do that for our picture? Okay,

915
00:53:23.679 --> 00:53:27.519
I will, I will, But seriously, you guys are awesome.

916
00:53:27.719 --> 00:53:30.400
I'm glad you were here at Vodkan and you're gonna

917
00:53:30.400 --> 00:53:33.519
have to send me some wave files or MP three's

918
00:53:33.599 --> 00:53:35.719
or your music. I'll put in a rotation on the station.

919
00:53:35.960 --> 00:53:39.119
You'll get every perfect love it. Thank you so much,

920
00:53:39.320 --> 00:53:39.840
my pleasure.

921
00:53:42.199 --> 00:53:47.199
Thank you for listening to the adventures of Pipeline. I'm

922
00:53:47.719 --> 00:53:50.400
w for CUI Radio.