June 30, 2026

Extreme Groove Metallers Without Mercy Return w Infinite Loss & Loads of Stories With PipemanRadio

Extreme Groove Metallers Without Mercy Return w Infinite Loss & Loads of Stories With PipemanRadio
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Pipeman Radio had the longest interview with DJ Temple of WITHOUT MERCY that was so much fun and laughs with loads of stories.

Vancouver, Canada's extreme groove metallers Without Mercy return with "Infinite Loss," a new three‑track EP which arrived May 8th, 2026, marking the group’s most focused and intentional work to date.

BUY THE EP NOW: https://withoutmercy.bandcamp.com/alb...
STREAM THE EP NOW: https://ffm.to/infiniteloss.OYD

"Infinite Loss" Track List:
1. Infinite Loss
2. The Saint
3. Glass

Produced, Mixed, and Mastered by John Douglass
Additional Engineering by Alex Parra
Cover Art by Diego Gedoz de Souza
Photography by Shimon Karmel


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You have done to ensure.

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Wow, crazy you.

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This is the pipe Man here on the Adventures pipe

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Man W four C Y Radio. And this next band

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that I'm about to interview, oh my god, they have

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some brutal music and I mean that in the best

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of ways. So let's welcome to the show. DJ Temple

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from Without Mercy.

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Hey, buddy, how you doing.

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How's it going? Man?

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Much better? Having seen your face?

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Look at you?

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You add some set of a bitch.

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Well, I tell you what, man, I don't even know

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how you got such a great band name. Like it's

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so hard to get band names, especially nowadays. I mean you,

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you did it way back when. But even then, I'm

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thinking to have such a brutal type of music and

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that band name not being taken, that that that meant

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it was meant to be for your band, I.

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Think, so stars aligned all that stuff, I think, so luck,

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I'll take it.

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I'll take the luck right right. So so let's go

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back before we move forward. And you know, what was it?

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What was that one moment in life that you can

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remember that you decide metal was your life.

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I saw a dimeband playing guitar.

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Forever nice and that was that was it.

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I remember like I was a huge pan terrifan because

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I remember being in high school and I was I

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think of this one goddamn hallway, this one hallway that

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was like the epitome of all the bullying I suffered

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in school. It was like right through this hallway and

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it was split. There was one side doing Metallica, on

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the other side doing Slayer, and I'm old as hell, like,

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look at the gray Look I'm old as hell, bro.

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So I'm from the era where we had those damn

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bind years of CDs. You would like flip them open,

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and everybody had all the CDs, right, So I remember

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like people had like the Panterra this or the Metallica

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or the Slayer, and you couldn't listen to both because

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like one was more brutal to and nothing ever spoke

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to me. And then my buddy Masa shout out to Masa,

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who's somewhere in Japan. I don't know what happened to him,

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but he he played me Becoming. It's the first ever

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Pantera track I heard in my life. It was just

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that jutta ut jutta ut jutut and then the crazy

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double kick batter that doesn't really make any sense. And

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I remember I clicked in the Matrix bro. I was like,

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what the hell is this? Oh my god, yeah, fuck

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you Metallica. No offense, No offense Metallica, but like, nah,

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I'm Pantera all day? What I have drank the kool aid?

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What is this? Nicely? And then I got to see

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them live in two thousand and then I got to

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see Damage Plan live after that, and I actually met

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Dinebag and shook his hand.

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Nice dude.

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It's just that was it. That was it. I'm in

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the matrix game over.

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So it's funny everything that you said, because now I'm

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going to counter. Oh. You know, so, first of all,

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my bullying days were punks against metal heads. So it

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was like, you know, going back to the eighties, you

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couldn't be a long hair and go to a punk show.

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You got your ass beat. You couldn't be a punk

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and go to a metal show. You got your ass beat.

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And I always thought it was stupid because the jocks

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were kicking both of our asses in school. We should

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have banded together, okay, instead of fighting each other with

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very similar music, you know, So it was kind of stupid.

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I was at Metallica's first show ever when they were

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thrash and well actually they weren't thrashed a first show,

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but they sounded thrashed or just it wasn't a word

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for thrash yet. And I was that Slayer first show ever. Wow,

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So I can tell you number one. Okay, Like as

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far as the Metallica Slayer thing, that didn't happen until

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Metallica posed out, you know, and listen, I still love

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Metallica to this day. But when the Black album came out,

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me and my twenty five friends that used to go

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see them all the time in LA were like, fuck

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those posers sellouts, you know, because and I remember when

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Ride the Lightning came out, and I was like, we

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were all like if you took Fight Fire with Fire

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off of Ride and Lightning and put on Kill Mall

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and took Jump in the Fire and put on on

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Ride the Lightning, Kill Mall was a perfect album, you know,

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because it made more sense. Fight Fire with Fire was

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more kill them All than Ride the Lightning in my opinion.

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But I you know, the thing is something else that

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hit me that you said, because it's really something I believe,

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is like you have to kind of be unique. If

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you're gonna be metal, it shouldn't be a formula. And

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I forget the word that you use, but it was

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basically like it was describing what you thought was different,

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you know, and it should be different. I find a

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lot of bands nowadays, you know, there's so many subgenres

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and microgenres that they fall into this like formula equation,

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like they're doing algebra instead of creating music, you know,

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and it's like, this is how you have to write

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a metal core song and that's it. Whereas thrash there

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were no rules because there was no thrash and that's

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why all the thrash metal bands sound totally different because

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it was just experimentation, which is I think what metal

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should be. It shouldn't be a formula. It should be

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emotion and experimentation and musicianship. You put those three together

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and to me, that's metal and really it's real music.

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Leave the formulas to the pop bands, you know. And

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that that's why I like about your music, because you

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have a bunch of gender blending that makes it unique,

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makes it brutal but not the same as everybody else.

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Well, that's really kind. Thank you.

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You're welcome. And I and just the fact that we're talking,

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like I won't interview bands if I don't like them.

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How can you be a metal head and promote a

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band you don't like, Like I never get that. I

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do festivals and I see people there they don't even

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know metal. I'm like, why are you here?

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You know, Like it reminds me of this trolling meme

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we posted once. But but I feel like the bands,

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especially me, people don't get the sense of humor sometimes.

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And like, we posted this picture of Dimebag and we

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said it's gonna get so much shit, but it was.

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I thought it was hilarious because it just spoke to

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that poser thing you were talking about when we posted

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this picture of Dimebag. It's a famous one of dime

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where he's like his head's up and he's laughing, like

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it's just a quintessential thing I loved about the man.

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But it says rest in peace, Ronnie James do O,

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best Mega death drummer. And I was like, this is hilarious,

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like that fucking killer, And oh my god, that people

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were pissed, like they were so pissed. Oh my god,

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you guys missed the sarcasm.

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I have a feeling that's definitely getting picked up by blabbermouth.

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Oh because, oh my god. Well it's kind of like

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I I gotta tell you something, so I am gonna

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shout out to them. Like one of my interviews that

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really got picked up the most was when Carmina Peace

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was on first time it was on my show, and

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he said Black Sabbath was not the first metal band,

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Metallica was, and oh my god, the world did not

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like that statement at all.

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Oh yeah, that's that's brave.

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I mean, psyche FOI was before Ozsie passed because that

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had that I might have had to edit it out

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if it was after Ozzie passed. But you know, but uh,

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it's interesting too that somebody like him would say that.

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And I don't mean for any other reason, just the age,

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you know, like people of my generation, you know, and

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like I'm similar ages to Metallic and Slayered are a

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little bit older than me, but not much, uh, you know,

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are in we didn't have all this extreme metal first.

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The only in influence we had to medal was Black Sabbath,

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Cream Mountain. You know, things like led Zeppelin, Like if

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you google led Zeppelin, they name them as a metal band,

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which is funny because if you were back in the seventies,

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they weren't a metal band, but they were a metal

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band before it was metal or even like Helter Skelter

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by the Beatles, that's a metal song, I think, you know.

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But and then there was that that transformation to the

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British Medal, the Maiden, the Priests, the Scorpions, and for me,

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like it's funny you're talking, I'll tell you my thing was.

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So I saw Motley Cruz show at the Roxy and

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the Sunset Strip in nineteen eighty before they were glam,

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when they were like considered like horror punk. That was

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the first show I ever went to a club show

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I ever went to in my life, and I was

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like they were trying to light the Roxy on fire

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to bring Satan in, and I was just like, oh

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my god, I'm never going to a real concert ever again.

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And then that led to me going to bands like

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Armored Saint and Wasp, and then that led me to

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Slayer and Metallica, and then they bailed on us and

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went up to the Bay Area and left me and

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my OA friends to deal with all the hair metal crap.

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So me and my bro used to hitchhike up to

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the Bay Area, and that's when we found out what

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a real metal show was, Like, how how have.

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We not been best friends forever?

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Bro?

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Like the interview, Let's just let's just chat man, That's.

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All it should be, right, you know, Like, and that

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goes back to my first statement, this is how metal

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people interview. I go on tour and I do festivals

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all over US, UK and Europe, and sometimes I'd listen

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to other people's interviews like my ear, like in the

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press area, and I think to myself, Oh my god,

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if I were a band, I'd be slit in my

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throat right now and I would rip the script out

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of your hand too, which I toldally, would you know?

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I like, I'm hanging out with you right now, and

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I'm thinking, like, if the other guys in the band

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were here, like, we couldn't have you interview us before

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a show. We'd miss the call time one hundred percent.

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The four of us would be like, oh yeah, but

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what about like and Slayer in the eighties, huh so

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oh when I saw Lamb of God, they were likely

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it would just be guys call time, funck off, we're

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talking to pot man, this is cool.

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So see, I love that too, cuz you know what

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that almost happened one time with Mike Muir. Okay, I

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was interviewing him at Rockklahoma, and I had the whole

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pres stent surrounding me because I was only one that

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guy his interview, and so they're like, oh and so,

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And it wasn't the first time I interviewed him. The

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first time I interviewed him was on a tour bus

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in Miami and in the interview, he got a text message,

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didn't say word, got up, walked off the bus, and

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no way saw him till showtime. That was a text

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telling him that Jeff Hannamon passed away. Oh shit, So

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that was kind of fucked up. But this time was

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kind of fight because he was just talking, talking, like

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there's a rumor in this industry that he does not

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like doing interviews, and I have not experienced that. Like

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I think it's yeah, I wouldn't want to do an

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interview with somebody that's not a metal head and doesn't

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know my music and it's asking me stupid questions. I

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think I would be that way. But with me, he's talking, talking,

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and then I cut him off. At one point, and

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I was like, dude, we got in the interview or

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else you're gonna miss your set, because literally it was

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going the right way you described like he would have

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just kept talking. I had to cut him off and say, dude,

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you gotta go play.

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Like dude, yeah, yeah, it's I feel like I feel

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like I've been orbiting metal since I was a kid,

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never knew it. Yeah, I'm a pretty big video gamer

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obviously me too, Me too. And I remember playing Duke

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Nukem thinking this was the coolest shit ever, and then

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rocking the theme song and finding out Mega Death wrote

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the freaking theme song, and then be like, okay, well

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I'm gonna watch this movie Heavy Metal two thousand or whatever.

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I'm just gonna watch this like anime movie. Actually it

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was Street Fighter to the animated movie. Shout out to

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that one. It was still hand drawn. It's an incredible movie.

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And the soundtrack to that was corn Blind. They had

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Alison Chains on it. I'm pretty sure there's a Metallica

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song or two on it. I think sound Gardens on

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the actual soundtrack. Probably not maybe fact check me on that,

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but the the the laundry list of stuff, because that

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that's back when movies also released CDs of their soundtracks,

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right right, So this that was insane. And then to

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watch Heavy Metal two thousand and pan Terra's on the

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goddamn thing, or or I watched Dracula two thousand thinking

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it'd be this really lame movie with Gerrod Butler and

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pan Terra's on that soundtrack, and like, I can't just shake.

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I watched My favorite movie when I was growing up

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was The Crow, Nice, like the original Crow, and pan

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Terra's on that soundtrack. Like all right, guys, I I

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tap out. I mean even you can't see because my

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office is Hella MESSI. We're prepping for tour. We leave

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on Thursday, and Nice hidden the wonderf I God, yeah, dude, dude,

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you can't even find this anymore. This is a DVD

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release of the three videos from Pantera. Nice but it's

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actually got like this is this How much of a

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nerd I am? This has an error on the discography

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order they put uh they put far beyond Driven before

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Vulgar Display of Power. Wow, And I'm.

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Like, what that's pretty That's not the order it goes in.

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Come on, I used to have the Motley Crewe album,

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the two Faster Love album that had the zipper on it.

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I think there was only like twenty five or fifty made. Dude,

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Like it was a real zipper on it, dude, right, Ah, yeah,

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I was. I was at the first crossover show ever.

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were in a room together and there was no security.

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It was at Elks Lodge, the Sun Valley Sportsman's Lodge.

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And interestingly enough, I just interviewed COC recently, and I've

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interviewed them before and they were on the punk side,

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that was pre Pepper, before they were hardcore punk, and

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so they were at Download and I was interviewing them

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at Download, And like when I interviewed them before, I

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interviewed Woody on one interview, Mike Deanon other and this

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one Woody and Pepper were in the interview. But man,

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Woody and Mike Dean remember that show, Like in both interviews,

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I was like, yeah, you might not remember this, but

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this is my most epic memory. And I was at

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the first crossover show ever. He interrupted me, He goes,

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it was at an Elks Lodge, wasn't it, He goes,

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that was the both of them did that it was

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the most epic show ever and it was, man, it

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was like so y had. On the punk side, it

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was coc pre Pepper when they were hardcore punk. It

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was suicidal before they crossed over, Like you couldn't you

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couldn't be a metal head and go suicide shows in

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the early days, okay. Uh. And then there was the Descendants,

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Savage Grace, who was one of my favorite thrash Oa bands.

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You know that they didn't make it like Metallica and

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Slayer did, but they did tour with Motorhead. Uh. So

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there's that and uh and then Dark Angel in the

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beginning in the beginning with Don Dodie singing and possessed,

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possessed dude, pre accident possessed and oh my god, it

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was the most insane show ever, like an Elks lodge

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with no security, first time ever pumped some metal heads

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in the same place and it's kind of like it

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was really tall. All I remember in my head a

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lot of times is people flying through the air because

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people were climbing up to the rafters and doing stage

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dives like but not from the stage. From the rafters.

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You know it's like people, yeah, people flying through the air.

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You know, talk about sketch. Okay. So I was at

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Milwaukee Metal Fest recently and I was at the Violent set,

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which was such a it was like it was like

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a Bay Area eighties Bay Area show, Like it was crazy.

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There were stage divers like everywhere all over. So I

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took a video. I sent it to my youngest daughter

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and said, I said, oh, check out this show and

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she goes, oh, yeah, that is how you knocked out

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all your front teeth and I'm like, well, yes, except

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I climbed up on Marshall Stack and did a swan

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dive twenty feet high in the air and the crowd moved.

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And it was at a Savage Gray show that I

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actually closed out the show. Not because of the fall,

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but it was the last note of the show. I

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hit the ground like perfectly. I thought, you know, you

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can take into a TikTok more perfectly. And you know,

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I didn't have evidence, because you know, there's no evidence

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of shit from my generation. Yeah, so you tell your

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kids stories and they're like, yeah, sure, Dad. That's either

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they say it or they're thinking or they think you're

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exaggerating like this was the Sunset Strip days. Okay, anything

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you say is not, you know, far from reality, no

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matter how much you could exaggerate it, because like, if

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you were in at the Sunset Strip in the eighties

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and you remember it, you weren't there.

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And that's the best quote ever, right right.

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And so so I did get proof because that band

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Savage Grace a few years ago came out with their

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first album in like twenty five years, and I can email, hey,

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can you from the publicists? Can you do me a

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favor and interview Christian from Savage Grace, And he's given

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me the whole pitch. I'm like, you don't have to

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pitch me. I was good friends with Christian in the

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eighties and happy to do it. And so we meet

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like in the beginning, like me and you did, and

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and I kind of reminded him who I was, you know,

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because we look a little different from that many years ago.

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And and then he remembered instantly though, and I'm like, well,

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we'll talk about stuff on the air because it'll be

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better on the air. And so during the interview, I

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brought up that show where I knocked out my teeth.

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Now I had always told my kids like I was

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like the biggest, biggest tragedy to La Metal ever, like,

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and I ended this show and you know, I paid

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the whole story. And that's why they think you're exaggerating,

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because like, yeah, sure Dad, sure Dad. So in the interview, literally,

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this is why I love doing interviews too, because some

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of my stories can be validated, uh, and can be verified.

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And so during the interview, he goes, oh, my god,

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I wondered what happened to you, like because I was

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friends with them, I was at their shows all the time,

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and then I was gone and there like, oh, we

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felt so bad and you were the most tragic thing

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that ever happened to La Medal And I was like,

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score sent it to my kids. Listen to this airview.

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See how full of shit I am, you know. And

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then so recently I had an otherwise, this is what

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air views are good for, get getting verifications of So

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I was interviewing Dante from Venom Wow and recently, and

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I just have to tell you one of my first

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extreme metal albums was Welcome the Hell, like I walked into.

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We used to go to his place in ODDS Records

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in the Valley and we used to deal with this

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record store clerk there, and he would always show us

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the newest music, the newest gigs. That's how I knew

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what gigs to go to, what music listened to. And

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he handed men Us Export Venom, Welcome the Hell. I

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remember going home and doing what we did back then

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now and opening the album and reading the lyrics and

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being scared of my fucking mind because it was the

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scariest shit ever.

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That's how I feel now about Sabrina Carpenter.

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Lyrics exactly and Taylor Swift's Illuminati lyrics. So fast forward,

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I'm interviewing Dante and I don't know, I forget how

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it came up, but it came up about it's something

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to do with that, and I was like, oh my god, wait,

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so listen. I was like, listen. I was at that show,

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The Ultimate Revenge, Venom Slayer Exodus. I heard the rumor

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that Chronos knocked out Tom Mariah backstage, you know, because

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the rumor was back then that he did that, because

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he went up to him and apparently Tom was saying something.

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He's like, you're not black metal, we're black metal, you know,

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and talk about gatekeeping, you know, Venom and Slayer gatekeeping

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each other of who's black metal, you know, and and

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so then he says, yep, because he brought up something,

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and I'm like, so it's true, and he goes, yeah,

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it's absolutely true. Tom was mouthing off and Kronos beat

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the shit out. Wow, I'm like, another story verified that.

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Probably people think I'm full of shit, but you know,

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w Yeah, there were some wild times back then, and

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so I am glad that Pantera came along because if

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it weren't for Pantera coming along, metal could have died

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because grunge killed metal, you know. And so I think

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without Pantera you wouldn't have these massive festivals that I

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do right now, with one hundred thousand people that are

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metal heads there for extreme metal, you know, and you know,

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and just nobody has bad things to say about Dime

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or Vinnie. And I did get to interview Vinnie before

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he passed. Yeah that that was cool as hell. You know.

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I hate that some of my you know, proud moments

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are of people that are not with us anymore. That

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kind of sucks, but yeah, but yeah, I mean it

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was one of Joey Jorison's last interviews. That was a

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bummer too. But you know, it's great to see that

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there's bands like you too, that here you are, all

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these years later putting out a new EP, Like yeah,

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it like, did you ever think that would happen way

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back when and when you were starting this thing out?

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Did you think that in twenty twenty six that you'd

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still be putting out new music?

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Yeah, Like, I mean, I was pretty gung ho for

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the longest time. I remember I was dating my wife

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and we were already like a year or two deep

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into the band, and I and like having that conversation

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like this is what I'm gonna do, just so you know,

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like I have a shitty job selling TVs in the

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morning at the time, like, but this is this is

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what I want to do. And I don't see it stopping.

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And she's like yeah, yeah, I mean I ain't gonna

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ask you to stop. Look at you like that's it's

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like asking you to lose your left arm. It's just

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not gonna be a thing.

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You got a great woman there. Because it is hard

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for people to understand, especially when it comes to metal,

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Like I have a brother that sense to me, you're

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gon gonna find somebody your age that's into metal and

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in it. Okay, whatever, come to one of my festivals

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and tell me that you know, uh, but yeah, that's

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so go on. I just wanted to comment with a

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great woman because she wasn't Yoko Ono. Yeah.

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Oh, do you want to hear a crazier story, crazy

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story about how like this? It's just it's ridiculous because

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like I run a music academy, and like I teach

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guitar full time, and that's that's my whole thing. And

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I got a bunch of teachers that work under me

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and stuff like that. But that whole thing started out

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of this room night I was taking private students on

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and blah blah blah. There's a time when I was

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so shitty. I was paying them to let me teach

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them so I could get the experience.

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Like it was so awful.

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But I got into guitar school, and like I tried

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not to get emotional thinking about this because I realize

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now in twenty twenty six, how absolutely ridiculous this is

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as a statement, but on everything, I my wife and

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I we weren't married yet. We're getting married in like

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six or seven months. And I was I was selling

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TVs and at the Canadian subsidiary of Best Buy, which

449
00:26:49.599 --> 00:26:52.839
was called Future Shop at the time. I was like

450
00:26:52.880 --> 00:26:55.400
the number two salesman in the company. I was doing

451
00:26:55.440 --> 00:26:59.279
one hundred thousand dollars a shift in girls volume. And

452
00:26:59.359 --> 00:27:01.400
I went to work one day and they fucking fired me,

453
00:27:02.279 --> 00:27:04.519
just out of nowhere. I get the left hook that

454
00:27:04.519 --> 00:27:06.920
they're like because I just asked for like four days

455
00:27:06.960 --> 00:27:11.799
off to record what would become Without Mercy's self titled album. Uh,

456
00:27:12.039 --> 00:27:14.079
and I got I come home. I gotta wake my

457
00:27:14.119 --> 00:27:17.720
wife up because it's still hella early, and I got

458
00:27:17.720 --> 00:27:20.039
to tell her like, yeah, I know we're getting married

459
00:27:20.039 --> 00:27:21.839
in six months, but I just lost my job. I'm

460
00:27:21.839 --> 00:27:24.200
the only one working, Like, you might as well leave

461
00:27:24.319 --> 00:27:28.119
me at this point. And I remember her being like

462
00:27:28.200 --> 00:27:30.440
groggy and her going, well, this is a good thing

463
00:27:30.519 --> 00:27:33.559
because I didn't like your manager. He was he was like,

464
00:27:33.640 --> 00:27:38.000
he wasn't right, he wasn't right. And this is just

465
00:27:38.119 --> 00:27:39.599
you have to find a way to play guitar for

466
00:27:39.640 --> 00:27:42.519
a living, because that's what the universe is telling you, Like,

467
00:27:42.559 --> 00:27:44.400
that's that we don't have a choice in this matter.

468
00:27:44.519 --> 00:27:46.880
Oh my god, how often does a woman tell a

469
00:27:46.920 --> 00:27:48.920
guy that in that at that stage?

470
00:27:49.960 --> 00:27:53.079
Dude, dude, and I'm talking like at this point of

471
00:27:53.079 --> 00:27:55.839
my career, I was like I was, I was all right,

472
00:27:55.960 --> 00:27:57.920
but like you know, I'd still flub the smells like

473
00:27:57.960 --> 00:28:02.119
teen spirit solo. I know what I'm saying, Like you know,

474
00:28:02.160 --> 00:28:04.079
if I if I practice for an hour, I might

475
00:28:04.160 --> 00:28:06.319
nail it. So like that was that was some That

476
00:28:06.400 --> 00:28:09.039
was some ballsiness on her part. But then I got

477
00:28:09.400 --> 00:28:11.839
I got accepted to guitar school and like music college

478
00:28:11.920 --> 00:28:13.240
or whatever the hell you want to call it. And

479
00:28:13.519 --> 00:28:18.200
I remember her working three jobs, probably like forty five

480
00:28:18.279 --> 00:28:19.960
days in a row without a day off to put

481
00:28:20.000 --> 00:28:22.759
me through school, like this was everything. We're eating mister

482
00:28:22.880 --> 00:28:25.759
noodles for three days because that's we got to stretch

483
00:28:25.799 --> 00:28:28.400
this can of salmon that we got given to her

484
00:28:28.480 --> 00:28:30.640
us by her family. We have to stretch it three days.

485
00:28:30.759 --> 00:28:32.759
We have four cups of rice left to our name,

486
00:28:32.960 --> 00:28:34.400
like it was a whole thing. And I'm like, God

487
00:28:34.440 --> 00:28:37.599
damn it, I will be the best fucking guitar teacher

488
00:28:37.880 --> 00:28:40.039
in my area. If this is the kind of support

489
00:28:40.079 --> 00:28:42.200
I'm getting from her. My parents are telling me to

490
00:28:42.240 --> 00:28:45.319
give up. Her parents are like, ah, all my friends

491
00:28:45.359 --> 00:28:47.599
were like buddy, I don't know. And She's like fuck off.

492
00:28:47.599 --> 00:28:49.839
I'm just gonna go to work. Leave him alone, he'll

493
00:28:49.880 --> 00:28:52.359
be he'll be good. Leave him alone, he'll be good.

494
00:28:52.599 --> 00:28:53.759
What kind of blind faith?

495
00:28:53.839 --> 00:28:56.680
Where the fuck did you find a woman like that? Man?

496
00:28:56.720 --> 00:29:02.119
Because I'll tell you what, at fifty years old, I

497
00:29:02.160 --> 00:29:05.279
was starting to think a woman like that don't fucking exist. Man.

498
00:29:05.319 --> 00:29:10.359
That's like I always listen, you're gonna laugh. But my

499
00:29:10.599 --> 00:29:14.519
thing always was I've changed it recently because of what

500
00:29:14.599 --> 00:29:16.640
I just said, but my thing was always like I'm

501
00:29:16.680 --> 00:29:20.440
looking for my Adrian, which is a reference from Rocky.

502
00:29:21.279 --> 00:29:24.079
That's what I was gonna ask you, all right, like

503
00:29:24.680 --> 00:29:29.200
that scene in Rocky Too where you know he's gonna

504
00:29:29.240 --> 00:29:34.960
fight Apollo again. But basically she didn't want them to fight,

505
00:29:35.039 --> 00:29:37.559
so he was training like shit, he was gonna probably

506
00:29:37.559 --> 00:29:42.519
get to kick get his ass kicked. And you know,

507
00:29:43.200 --> 00:29:46.000
she went to the coma. She comes out of coma

508
00:29:46.039 --> 00:29:50.839
and he's like, you know, if you don't want me

509
00:29:50.839 --> 00:29:55.200
messed with Creed no more, I won't do it. And

510
00:29:55.480 --> 00:29:57.920
she's like, I just want you to do one thing.

511
00:29:58.640 --> 00:30:00.839
And I go I'm getting chills now now just saying

512
00:30:00.880 --> 00:30:04.880
it myself. And he goes, what and she she's like,

513
00:30:04.960 --> 00:30:10.640
come here and whispers in his ear win and then

514
00:30:10.680 --> 00:30:14.119
the rocky music comes on and then he's like training

515
00:30:14.279 --> 00:30:18.359
like an animal and they beats the shit. Have Apollo Greed? Yeah, yeah,

516
00:30:19.079 --> 00:30:22.519
your story reminds me of a real life version of that.

517
00:30:24.079 --> 00:30:26.880
It feels like it's sometimes, man. And that's more the

518
00:30:26.920 --> 00:30:29.559
answer to your question is, I don't understand how I

519
00:30:29.599 --> 00:30:32.920
got that support. I don't understand why. And in really

520
00:30:32.960 --> 00:30:37.400
bad times like the band's. The band's had some terrible shit,

521
00:30:37.640 --> 00:30:40.559
but I mean every band has, but totally. We had

522
00:30:40.640 --> 00:30:43.319
dropped an album called Seismic and we got picked up

523
00:30:43.359 --> 00:30:46.319
by blood Blast and Nuclear Blast was sniffing and it

524
00:30:46.359 --> 00:30:48.440
looked like we were going to be signed and they

525
00:30:48.440 --> 00:30:50.119
were talking about bringing us to Germany. It was a

526
00:30:50.119 --> 00:30:53.200
whole thing, and we were like, we fucking did it.

527
00:30:53.319 --> 00:30:55.279
Here it is we did it. At that point, the

528
00:30:55.359 --> 00:30:58.799
band was fifteen years old, and we're like, we did it.

529
00:30:59.799 --> 00:31:03.559
And then I shit, you not. We signed the agreement

530
00:31:04.240 --> 00:31:08.240
and even our lawyer is like, this agreement is like

531
00:31:08.599 --> 00:31:12.079
really favorable on your side. This doesn't make any sense.

532
00:31:12.079 --> 00:31:13.559
I never see these agreements.

533
00:31:13.640 --> 00:31:14.640
Yeah, that would be weird.

534
00:31:15.279 --> 00:31:17.039
So we're like, because you know, you run everything by

535
00:31:17.039 --> 00:31:20.240
your Lord, look, if anybody's watching this, always get a

536
00:31:20.359 --> 00:31:23.519
lawyer to read your shit. Always.

537
00:31:23.960 --> 00:31:27.000
Yep, No, even if you understand the law, because you

538
00:31:27.079 --> 00:31:30.079
might not pick up something because you're not objective. Because

539
00:31:30.119 --> 00:31:32.599
I do that all the time and I understand it.

540
00:31:33.359 --> 00:31:37.039
But I always you know, and that is my viewpoint.

541
00:31:37.079 --> 00:31:37.319
Man.

542
00:31:37.920 --> 00:31:41.400
Like when people ask me, you know, for agreements for

543
00:31:41.480 --> 00:31:45.160
the radio show. On my statement, I'm like, listen, I

544
00:31:45.160 --> 00:31:47.079
could give you agreement, but it's going to be all

545
00:31:47.079 --> 00:31:51.039
one sided like every other radio station. You're better off

546
00:31:51.359 --> 00:31:55.079
without it. And I'm honest with him because i was

547
00:31:55.119 --> 00:31:57.720
on their side of the fence. So I'm like, it's

548
00:31:57.759 --> 00:31:59.599
all I'm going to do is tie you into me

549
00:31:59.640 --> 00:32:01.359
and own all your shit. Why do you want me

550
00:32:01.400 --> 00:32:03.160
to do you want to sign that? I'm glad to

551
00:32:03.160 --> 00:32:04.480
give it to you.

552
00:32:06.839 --> 00:32:10.799
So yeah, he was. The lawyer was like, this is crazy,

553
00:32:10.839 --> 00:32:13.720
this is like I got I have. I have nothing

554
00:32:14.079 --> 00:32:16.920
that I want them to change of this. They even

555
00:32:17.119 --> 00:32:19.240
the areas where it would have been ambiguous language. So

556
00:32:19.279 --> 00:32:21.240
maybe they can get a piece of your music academy

557
00:32:21.319 --> 00:32:23.440
or your merch or something. He's like, they say nothing

558
00:32:23.480 --> 00:32:26.440
about it. They're specific about this record only not past

559
00:32:26.480 --> 00:32:29.839
catalog not future catalogs, so maybe that's the thing. He's like,

560
00:32:29.920 --> 00:32:33.279
maybe maybe there it's concerning. They don't show an interest

561
00:32:33.279 --> 00:32:35.920
in future stuff. But let's just take with this one,

562
00:32:35.920 --> 00:32:38.880
and like, that's a win. Amazing. We talked to our rep.

563
00:32:38.920 --> 00:32:42.599
Our rep was great and the blood Blast was unbelievably

564
00:32:42.680 --> 00:32:44.480
kind to us. Everything was set up. We're like, all right,

565
00:32:44.559 --> 00:32:47.839
let's go. Literally like twelve days later.

566
00:32:48.000 --> 00:32:51.799
COVID, Oh my god, and that was it.

567
00:32:51.920 --> 00:32:55.319
Plane tickets gone, no festival appearent, nothing. Oh can we

568
00:32:55.359 --> 00:32:57.680
push this record? Yeah, no one's in office, so we don't.

569
00:32:57.720 --> 00:33:00.359
And then, you know, COVID eventually dwindles out and we

570
00:33:00.400 --> 00:33:02.440
can kind of sort of get back to it. And

571
00:33:02.480 --> 00:33:05.160
we approached them and they go, yeah, but this album's old, man,

572
00:33:05.200 --> 00:33:08.119
we need a new album. So we just spent like

573
00:33:08.359 --> 00:33:11.839
thirty grand to make this nine song album and it

574
00:33:12.160 --> 00:33:15.359
just existed in the ether, nobody ever heard about it.

575
00:33:15.400 --> 00:33:18.160
And then it started. The craziest thing was it started

576
00:33:18.200 --> 00:33:20.960
to work against us because the advice we got from

577
00:33:21.000 --> 00:33:24.359
the management we had at the time was quote, the

578
00:33:24.400 --> 00:33:28.039
big dogs aren't doing anything, so this might be a

579
00:33:28.119 --> 00:33:30.799
chance for you to slide in and get an album out.

580
00:33:32.519 --> 00:33:35.240
And I went, Okay, that's kind of I guess that

581
00:33:35.319 --> 00:33:38.519
makes sense. But we dropped it in November, so now

582
00:33:38.519 --> 00:33:40.799
it looks like it was an album dropped in twenty twenty.

583
00:33:40.920 --> 00:33:43.559
COVID's done by twenty twenty four, and we're like, yeah,

584
00:33:43.640 --> 00:33:46.160
we have a four year old album that we haven't

585
00:33:46.160 --> 00:33:48.200
done anything. It looks like we have it. It's been

586
00:33:48.279 --> 00:33:53.640
hurting us consistently. Yeah, So we then we tried writing

587
00:33:53.680 --> 00:33:57.480
new material and the most egregious thing happened with the material,

588
00:33:58.160 --> 00:34:01.759
which was in Canada to where we are. There was

589
00:34:01.799 --> 00:34:06.200
an influx of just super rich people that were buying

590
00:34:06.279 --> 00:34:09.280
buildings because people were losing their shirts due to COVID.

591
00:34:09.920 --> 00:34:13.000
So we would lose a rehearsal space once a week,

592
00:34:14.159 --> 00:34:16.360
it was nuts, and we'd find a new one. We'd

593
00:34:16.400 --> 00:34:18.199
move in, we'd get set up, the lane would go,

594
00:34:18.280 --> 00:34:20.239
you're not gonna believe this. So I think we lost

595
00:34:20.280 --> 00:34:23.960
three in a month. Wow, So like you got that.

596
00:34:24.119 --> 00:34:26.400
And then our van blew up so we couldn't even

597
00:34:26.519 --> 00:34:27.840
like tour with the van.

598
00:34:28.360 --> 00:34:28.920
I'm like, I.

599
00:34:31.639 --> 00:34:34.639
Like, I don't I don't know, man, I don't know.

600
00:34:34.679 --> 00:34:36.400
And I remember going for a walk in the snow

601
00:34:36.480 --> 00:34:38.440
with my wife and going like I think I'm done.

602
00:34:38.480 --> 00:34:41.440
I think I'm good. I'm gonna call it and she's like,

603
00:34:41.480 --> 00:34:43.039
what what do you mean call it? Like explain to

604
00:34:43.039 --> 00:34:45.440
me what? Like what the hell Like that's a random

605
00:34:45.599 --> 00:34:49.760
who starts a conversation like that. I don't know. I'm

606
00:34:49.760 --> 00:34:52.480
in debt for this album that nobody's ever gonna hear

607
00:34:52.840 --> 00:34:55.840
because they think it's four years old. We were supposed

608
00:34:55.880 --> 00:34:57.519
to go to Europe and we're not going to Europe.

609
00:34:57.599 --> 00:35:00.199
We tried to go to America, but the visas are like,

610
00:35:00.880 --> 00:35:04.000
not only are the visas hell expensive, but everybody gate

611
00:35:04.119 --> 00:35:06.519
keeps how you're supposed to do it, so none you're

612
00:35:06.599 --> 00:35:10.760
kind of just dealing with the why, the rumor mill

613
00:35:10.800 --> 00:35:15.480
of how you're supposed to appropriately do it so much

614
00:35:15.519 --> 00:35:17.400
so that that's one of the reasons so many Canadian

615
00:35:17.400 --> 00:35:19.840
mans are getting denied their visas is we're guessing how

616
00:35:19.840 --> 00:35:22.119
to do it and it's not working right. I went

617
00:35:22.199 --> 00:35:24.199
straight to the border and I walked into the office

618
00:35:24.239 --> 00:35:28.000
and excuse me, how do I do this properly? Because

619
00:35:28.039 --> 00:35:30.280
I'm gonna come through this board and that guy was

620
00:35:30.400 --> 00:35:32.559
rat He gave me like a checklist of things I

621
00:35:32.599 --> 00:35:35.039
had to do. That's a cool human shout out to

622
00:35:35.039 --> 00:35:36.480
Steve at the Border. You're awesome.

623
00:35:37.000 --> 00:35:37.320
Nice.

624
00:35:38.320 --> 00:35:39.800
But so I said to her, like, I've done I

625
00:35:39.800 --> 00:35:41.880
don't know what now. Our van's blown up, so we're

626
00:35:41.880 --> 00:35:43.920
gonna have to fix a van or buy a new

627
00:35:44.079 --> 00:35:47.760
van or like where's that coming from? And we can't

628
00:35:47.760 --> 00:35:50.199
play a local show because all the venues are gone,

629
00:35:50.199 --> 00:35:52.000
and then there's a power vacuum. I'm like, this is

630
00:35:52.039 --> 00:35:54.599
a perfect storm. And I remember my wife's like, yeah,

631
00:35:54.719 --> 00:35:57.800
it's a perfect storm for quitters to show their colors.

632
00:35:58.679 --> 00:36:03.119
Oh. Oh, I like her even more now.

633
00:36:03.639 --> 00:36:08.880
Yeah, I'm like, oh, you bitch. Oh She's like, no, no,

634
00:36:08.960 --> 00:36:11.360
that's fine if you want to give up, which is

635
00:36:11.440 --> 00:36:14.199
you know, I'm married, but like, you know, if that's

636
00:36:14.280 --> 00:36:19.840
if that's where we're at in the evolutionary process, that's it.

637
00:36:20.199 --> 00:36:23.079
I'm from New York and New Jersey, so that's totally

638
00:36:23.159 --> 00:36:25.239
the way I would talk to somebody too. So I

639
00:36:25.639 --> 00:36:28.320
love that. It's so not a Canadian way of talk.

640
00:36:28.400 --> 00:36:32.320
You guys are too nice, and I'm sorry about everything,

641
00:36:32.800 --> 00:36:35.840
you know, But she she's got the mentality of a

642
00:36:35.920 --> 00:36:37.760
New Yorker right there with that shit.

643
00:36:38.719 --> 00:36:41.039
Yeah it's cool, man. It led to a deeper conversation

644
00:36:41.119 --> 00:36:47.800
that ended up being Ah, I think circumstances are telling

645
00:36:47.880 --> 00:36:51.800
you that it's time to try one more. But I

646
00:36:51.840 --> 00:36:55.199
don't think circumstances are telling you that it's over, because

647
00:36:55.679 --> 00:36:58.719
you still get emails asking about can I buy a shirt?

648
00:36:58.800 --> 00:37:00.920
Or can I buy this? Or can I And you

649
00:37:00.960 --> 00:37:04.800
still get interview requests from time to time. Your publicist

650
00:37:04.920 --> 00:37:07.840
still asks when is there a new record coming? So

651
00:37:07.840 --> 00:37:10.440
she's like, it's not like you put out a new

652
00:37:10.480 --> 00:37:14.079
record and people go, oh, fuck this again, right, So

653
00:37:14.159 --> 00:37:16.719
maybe maybe we plan And that was two and a

654
00:37:16.760 --> 00:37:19.400
half three years ago, we started.

655
00:37:19.039 --> 00:37:22.159
To plan the CP I blame it on your initials.

656
00:37:23.079 --> 00:37:32.480
Yeah, DJT, Yeah, fair, fair that it's It's funny you

657
00:37:32.559 --> 00:37:34.519
joke about that though, because like when we first started

658
00:37:34.519 --> 00:37:36.239
booking tours, this name.

659
00:37:36.280 --> 00:37:37.840
I'm doing this because my name is showing up on

660
00:37:37.880 --> 00:37:41.559
the screen right here. This name made people not open

661
00:37:41.559 --> 00:37:43.880
the email because they thought I was an electronic DJ

662
00:37:44.039 --> 00:37:45.440
trying to book a metal concert.

663
00:37:45.679 --> 00:37:47.599
That's funny, It is so.

664
00:37:47.559 --> 00:37:49.760
Hilarious to me. Thanks Mom and dad.

665
00:37:50.440 --> 00:37:54.000
Maybe just take the take the ample off and now

666
00:37:54.159 --> 00:37:59.320
just sign it DJT and see how they respond. Yeah, yeah,

667
00:37:59.360 --> 00:38:02.719
I don't think you might have gotten this interview.

668
00:38:05.000 --> 00:38:07.800
We planned an XDP, which was ended up being this

669
00:38:07.840 --> 00:38:11.039
one infinite loss, and we we kind of in the

670
00:38:11.119 --> 00:38:15.639
jam space, had this mentality of an unspoken we're gonna

671
00:38:15.639 --> 00:38:17.519
treat this like it's the last kick at the can.

672
00:38:17.800 --> 00:38:21.039
That's what we're gonna treat this. If we put this out,

673
00:38:21.360 --> 00:38:23.039
I mean, the singer and I literally said this to

674
00:38:23.079 --> 00:38:25.880
each other. Oh, we're outside where nobody else could hear.

675
00:38:26.280 --> 00:38:26.440
Uh.

676
00:38:26.519 --> 00:38:28.519
If we put this out and nobody gives a fuck,

677
00:38:28.559 --> 00:38:30.639
I'm done, Like you'll just never hear from me again.

678
00:38:31.719 --> 00:38:34.079
And he's like he's like, yeah, I'm in the same boat.

679
00:38:34.119 --> 00:38:37.519
If we drop something like this and they still don't

680
00:38:37.559 --> 00:38:41.440
give a shit, I think we just shut off the

681
00:38:41.840 --> 00:38:46.039
U r L and we just go to civilian life. Yeah.

682
00:38:46.079 --> 00:38:49.760
I'm like yeah, because there's there's like I don't know

683
00:38:49.760 --> 00:38:51.679
how to put this that doesn't make me get emotional.

684
00:38:51.719 --> 00:38:57.119
But but you you often get compared to other people

685
00:38:57.199 --> 00:39:00.039
when you don't want the comparison. You're like, I'm my

686
00:39:00.079 --> 00:39:02.519
own dude, I'm doing my thing, Leave me alone. Yeah,

687
00:39:02.599 --> 00:39:03.920
but you know it'll be better is if you did

688
00:39:03.960 --> 00:39:05.119
it more like this band.

689
00:39:05.159 --> 00:39:09.480
Because there's that's what I hate about the eighties that

690
00:39:09.480 --> 00:39:13.400
that's what got me away from this industry actually in

691
00:39:13.440 --> 00:39:15.280
the eighties is exactly that.

692
00:39:16.079 --> 00:39:18.960
Man. It's and it's it's still rampant though, Like even

693
00:39:19.000 --> 00:39:20.800
some of our comments are like, yeah, but have you

694
00:39:20.840 --> 00:39:23.320
heard this band instead, or they're just trying to rip

695
00:39:23.320 --> 00:39:27.199
off this man. No, I'm not, Holy shit, man, uh.

696
00:39:27.360 --> 00:39:30.760
You know, I thought COVID would solve the problem with

697
00:39:30.880 --> 00:39:35.239
all the people that bitching complain, you know, especially with

698
00:39:35.280 --> 00:39:39.000
live music, Like it was so bad when COVID started.

699
00:39:39.000 --> 00:39:41.679
At like every festival I went to, I wouldn't join

700
00:39:41.760 --> 00:39:45.920
the groups or anything because just everybody's complaining. I'm like, oh,

701
00:39:46.000 --> 00:39:49.039
this is the bonus of COVID is people will stop

702
00:39:49.119 --> 00:39:53.800
being baby asses and complaining and start enjoying live music again. No,

703
00:39:54.119 --> 00:39:56.559
they forget, you know, they forget. We didn't have it

704
00:39:56.599 --> 00:39:58.920
for two years and there's still being cry baby bitches.

705
00:39:59.559 --> 00:39:59.719
You know.

706
00:40:00.639 --> 00:40:04.800
It's nuts. But we literally did everything we could this time.

707
00:40:04.840 --> 00:40:08.000
We rewrote the best songs we could, We hired the

708
00:40:08.039 --> 00:40:12.679
best producer that we felt like. We went out I'll

709
00:40:12.719 --> 00:40:13.960
tell you a secret. It's not really going to be

710
00:40:14.000 --> 00:40:15.119
a secret, becau it would be out there.

711
00:40:15.360 --> 00:40:18.320
Yeah, don't tell anybody we.

712
00:40:18.280 --> 00:40:22.239
Made a laundry list of all the producers we thought

713
00:40:22.519 --> 00:40:27.119
could help the band, and I remember there was a

714
00:40:27.159 --> 00:40:30.280
list of like ten people and we were going to

715
00:40:30.400 --> 00:40:32.559
reach out to all of them and like, you know,

716
00:40:32.599 --> 00:40:35.320
start the bidding war whatever to explain the project. What

717
00:40:35.320 --> 00:40:36.920
are you going to do for us? Blah blah blah,

718
00:40:36.920 --> 00:40:42.239
the whole like business speak. And I remember just speaking

719
00:40:42.320 --> 00:40:44.320
up at it and going like because I'm the business

720
00:40:44.320 --> 00:40:47.199
guy in the band, and I'm like, you know, I

721
00:40:47.239 --> 00:40:49.880
think this is the complete wrong way to do it,

722
00:40:51.159 --> 00:40:55.280
and they're like, what do you mean. I'm like, what, realistically,

723
00:40:55.320 --> 00:40:58.440
in a post COVID world where everybody's just buying a

724
00:40:58.519 --> 00:41:02.639
quad Cortex and Downloadvading Logic on their computer, which one

725
00:41:02.679 --> 00:41:05.440
of these motherfuckers wouldn't say yes to us if we're

726
00:41:05.480 --> 00:41:09.320
willing to pay them whatever they want, right, why don't

727
00:41:09.320 --> 00:41:12.760
we go for the dude that we think is gonna

728
00:41:12.800 --> 00:41:15.400
be fun to hang out with in the room and

729
00:41:16.320 --> 00:41:20.760
actually likes metal and actually has a list of work

730
00:41:20.840 --> 00:41:23.440
that we thought was cool. Not Well, they put out

731
00:41:23.480 --> 00:41:25.320
ten records and two of them are really great. The

732
00:41:25.360 --> 00:41:26.800
other ad and I could kind of like, why would

733
00:41:26.840 --> 00:41:30.360
I pay this asshole money? Right, let's try this. And

734
00:41:30.679 --> 00:41:32.480
I remember the first dude I thought it was the

735
00:41:32.960 --> 00:41:35.079
was who we ended up using. This is the only

736
00:41:35.159 --> 00:41:38.039
dude I even ever messaged. I messaged one dude and

737
00:41:38.079 --> 00:41:39.960
he emailed back and he's like, hey man, that sounds

738
00:41:40.000 --> 00:41:42.159
like a cool project. We should talk details. Got on

739
00:41:42.199 --> 00:41:44.599
the phone, call, talk back and forth, and I'm like, yeah,

740
00:41:44.639 --> 00:41:47.320
this is this is the dude, and but the band

741
00:41:47.440 --> 00:41:50.960
is like that means we uproot our lives and fly

742
00:41:51.039 --> 00:41:54.639
to Atlanta. We're gonna fly to Atlanta and do a record,

743
00:41:54.800 --> 00:41:58.119
which flying to America from Canada is not easy.

744
00:41:58.119 --> 00:42:02.039
A major ordeal for people, I don't know, not only

745
00:42:02.119 --> 00:42:06.679
a major or deal, but your Canadian dollar over here

746
00:42:07.719 --> 00:42:09.400
sucks ass for you.

747
00:42:10.119 --> 00:42:14.679
Yeah, yes, rus around sixty four cents or sixty five

748
00:42:14.719 --> 00:42:18.039
cents on the doll Yeah, yeah, terrific for us. So

749
00:42:18.840 --> 00:42:22.159
we're in Vancouver. We have to fly to Calgary, have

750
00:42:22.199 --> 00:42:25.119
a three hour layover, and then fly to Atlanta and

751
00:42:25.159 --> 00:42:26.800
then coming home. It was the same, like you, So

752
00:42:26.840 --> 00:42:29.559
we have to do all these multiple and my wife

753
00:42:29.599 --> 00:42:32.280
and I we live we live an hour outside of Vancouver,

754
00:42:32.320 --> 00:42:34.360
so that's an uber ride. After we've land, it's a

755
00:42:34.360 --> 00:42:38.159
whole nightmare. But I'm like, it seems like logistics bro,

756
00:42:38.360 --> 00:42:40.719
Like we get Google Maps involved. We just figured that

757
00:42:40.800 --> 00:42:43.679
this guy wants to work with us. And this guy, like,

758
00:42:44.880 --> 00:42:48.039
the impression I'm getting is similar to what you said

759
00:42:48.039 --> 00:42:51.199
about it not interviewing bands you don't like or whatever. Yeah,

760
00:42:51.360 --> 00:42:55.000
he doesn't seem to just take any ProCheck for the money. Like,

761
00:42:55.199 --> 00:42:57.159
so I think we have a chance here. And he

762
00:42:57.239 --> 00:42:59.320
put out two of my favorite records of the last

763
00:42:59.320 --> 00:43:03.239
ten years anyway, so I'm in. And then yeah, we

764
00:43:03.559 --> 00:43:05.880
meet John. We get to start working with John. John

765
00:43:06.000 --> 00:43:11.239
has a crazy amount of knowledge in the gear and

766
00:43:11.280 --> 00:43:12.880
he goes like, I hear what you guys are doing

767
00:43:12.920 --> 00:43:15.920
for the chorus, but I think it's getting lost in translation.

768
00:43:16.880 --> 00:43:19.199
And the lost in translation is we're gonna do like

769
00:43:19.280 --> 00:43:21.519
I'm making this up because I don't know shit about

770
00:43:21.519 --> 00:43:24.880
this world, but I'm gonna do this to the EQ

771
00:43:25.119 --> 00:43:27.159
when everybody else does this to the EQ, and I

772
00:43:27.199 --> 00:43:29.360
think that's what you guys are doing. And then we

773
00:43:29.360 --> 00:43:31.079
would do it and the chorus came back and we're like,

774
00:43:31.119 --> 00:43:33.320
holy fuck, and then that would end up being like

775
00:43:33.360 --> 00:43:36.840
the chorus in Infinite Loss or the Saint. I see

776
00:43:36.880 --> 00:43:38.800
you have the picture behind you. The Saint was a

777
00:43:38.800 --> 00:43:40.679
lot of John's ideas going like, you know it'd be

778
00:43:40.679 --> 00:43:43.039
cool is if we had this eight bit intro and

779
00:43:43.079 --> 00:43:45.440
then we we just beat the living shit out of

780
00:43:45.440 --> 00:43:47.960
it and we and I remember saying, if we raw

781
00:43:48.119 --> 00:43:50.480
denied them a guitar solo in this track, I think

782
00:43:50.519 --> 00:43:52.639
it would be really cool too, because it has this

783
00:43:52.719 --> 00:43:55.079
build up that you think of solo's coming, and I'm like, ah,

784
00:43:57.440 --> 00:43:58.840
then we do like a soft.

785
00:43:58.599 --> 00:44:00.719
Jazz moment or some shit nice.

786
00:44:00.880 --> 00:44:03.039
But it was yeah, it was just it was a

787
00:44:03.039 --> 00:44:06.280
good experience to work with him. And then we were

788
00:44:06.320 --> 00:44:11.320
all like, okay, checklist, We've left our home to record

789
00:44:11.320 --> 00:44:13.920
a record. We worked with a top named producer to

790
00:44:14.000 --> 00:44:18.440
record a record. We lived inside of Atlanta for ten days,

791
00:44:18.440 --> 00:44:21.760
where our entire life was making this record, which getting

792
00:44:21.760 --> 00:44:27.320
a three song EP, pre pro tracked, recorded, and pre

793
00:44:27.440 --> 00:44:31.719
mixed in ten days is kind of insane. Yeah, but

794
00:44:31.800 --> 00:44:34.280
we crushed it. Shout out to John and his buddy Alice.

795
00:44:34.320 --> 00:44:36.440
You guys worked your asses off. And then we just

796
00:44:36.599 --> 00:44:39.639
got my buddy Diego to help with the artwork and

797
00:44:39.679 --> 00:44:41.559
I was like, cool man, we'll drop this and if

798
00:44:41.599 --> 00:44:44.880
nobody gives a shit, nobody gives a shit. That's it.

799
00:44:44.920 --> 00:44:49.480
There's literally nothing more I could have done. Rocking chair philosophy.

800
00:44:49.519 --> 00:44:51.320
I'm ninety eight years old on a porch somewhere in

801
00:44:51.320 --> 00:44:53.679
a rocking chair, going like, oh, if only I did

802
00:44:53.719 --> 00:44:56.599
one more? No, fuck it. I did everything in my power, everything.

803
00:44:56.639 --> 00:44:58.840
I maxed out every credit card whatever.

804
00:45:00.239 --> 00:45:00.559
Uh.

805
00:45:00.599 --> 00:45:04.199
And then we saw the Saint the track dropped and

806
00:45:04.239 --> 00:45:06.639
we're and we were like, here we go, Like we're

807
00:45:06.639 --> 00:45:09.599
gonna have five views on YouTube. I think it's it's

808
00:45:09.679 --> 00:45:14.679
eight thousand this morning. Nice. Our monthly listeners on Spotify

809
00:45:14.760 --> 00:45:16.679
went from one hundred and twenty nine to at the

810
00:45:16.679 --> 00:45:20.119
peak it was nine thousand. Love it, but what what

811
00:45:20.239 --> 00:45:23.000
is happening? What is happening? I get to meet you

812
00:45:23.320 --> 00:45:26.639
or our publicist calls me and says, I wanted can

813
00:45:26.679 --> 00:45:29.119
I put this record out? I'm like, all right, sure,

814
00:45:29.840 --> 00:45:32.800
Holy shit, it's everybody seems hungry about it. The interview

815
00:45:32.880 --> 00:45:35.039
people I meeting have actually listened to it and seem

816
00:45:35.079 --> 00:45:39.840
really cool about it. So we're like, all right, like cool.

817
00:45:40.519 --> 00:45:43.239
You know what the moral of this story is, do

818
00:45:43.360 --> 00:45:49.000
every record in Atlanta listen to your wife? Yeah? Yeah?

819
00:45:49.079 --> 00:45:50.519
Rights right?

820
00:45:51.599 --> 00:45:51.840
God?

821
00:45:51.960 --> 00:45:56.320
Can you imagine like presenting that to somebody like, because

822
00:45:56.360 --> 00:45:57.760
you must know somebody who's married.

823
00:45:58.639 --> 00:46:04.760
I've been married twice. Oh okay, I like I don't

824
00:46:04.760 --> 00:46:05.840
know people there.

825
00:46:06.000 --> 00:46:11.360
To presenting that to someone's wife and be like, hey,

826
00:46:11.480 --> 00:46:15.719
so ten days off work, I'm gonna fly to America

827
00:46:16.000 --> 00:46:21.079
where our dollar is you know, horrific, and uh, we're gonna,

828
00:46:21.679 --> 00:46:26.239
we're gonna, We're gonna pay this dude money to record

829
00:46:26.360 --> 00:46:29.559
us in another country, in another state, when there's another

830
00:46:29.639 --> 00:46:31.599
dude twenty minutes down the road that'll do it for

831
00:46:31.679 --> 00:46:33.599
a third of the price, maybe even like a sixth

832
00:46:33.639 --> 00:46:36.800
of the price. Really, what do you think about that?

833
00:46:39.360 --> 00:46:41.199
Like you mentioned the response.

834
00:46:41.320 --> 00:46:47.159
Like you know what, I agree with all that you said, man,

835
00:46:47.199 --> 00:46:50.480
because like that's how the Black Album came about. As

836
00:46:50.519 --> 00:46:52.679
an example, you know, you have to have the right

837
00:46:52.719 --> 00:46:56.320
producer no matter what it is. And you know you

838
00:46:56.400 --> 00:47:00.840
said something he did that totally reminds me of So

839
00:47:00.920 --> 00:47:05.000
when I started the I actually don't just have a show.

840
00:47:05.039 --> 00:47:09.000
I own a whole radio network, multiple radio stations, podcasting network.

841
00:47:09.119 --> 00:47:13.639
And when I started it, like twenty years ago, one

842
00:47:13.639 --> 00:47:16.239
of my best friends I chose him as my head

843
00:47:16.239 --> 00:47:19.360
engineer because this dude, he was in a metal band

844
00:47:19.360 --> 00:47:23.559
in the eighties. He was in a country rock duo

845
00:47:24.519 --> 00:47:28.079
at that point in time. You know, we would go out,

846
00:47:28.119 --> 00:47:30.119
he'd do gigs. I would always support his gigs, and

847
00:47:30.119 --> 00:47:33.639
he'd always say, I like metal, I like country, and

848
00:47:33.719 --> 00:47:38.440
I like Neil Diamond. And he did. He sang Neil Diamond.

849
00:47:38.519 --> 00:47:41.320
You swore it was Neil Diamond. But then he could

850
00:47:41.360 --> 00:47:44.800
fucking do a killer metal song too, you know. But

851
00:47:45.480 --> 00:47:47.920
one thing I always noticed why I picked him as

852
00:47:47.960 --> 00:47:53.360
my head engineer was he would be at gigs playing guitar,

853
00:47:53.599 --> 00:47:57.440
singing and messing with the mixer board the whole time

854
00:47:57.519 --> 00:48:00.400
he's playing. Because he was a perfectionist in a sound.

855
00:48:00.920 --> 00:48:04.159
So when we first started this network, you know, there

856
00:48:04.360 --> 00:48:09.440
was no word streaming, there was no podcasting word. It

857
00:48:09.480 --> 00:48:12.599
was called internet radio, and it was kind of bad

858
00:48:12.719 --> 00:48:16.159
for the most part because our internet wasn't fast back then.

859
00:48:16.280 --> 00:48:18.920
You had that internet twang, if you remember, there was

860
00:48:18.960 --> 00:48:25.199
this twang that hear like wow, yeah, and so anyway,

861
00:48:25.599 --> 00:48:28.199
he got rid of all that. But then one day

862
00:48:28.199 --> 00:48:31.440
we're sitting in the studio and he had perfected the sound.

863
00:48:31.480 --> 00:48:33.079
As far as I was concerned, I didn't hear a

864
00:48:33.199 --> 00:48:36.960
internet twang, no lag, no nothing. And I'm listening in

865
00:48:37.000 --> 00:48:40.039
the headphones in the studio and he goes, here, let

866
00:48:40.039 --> 00:48:43.679
me play this. You hear that, And I'm like no,

867
00:48:43.800 --> 00:48:45.719
he goes, we have to fix that. I'm like okay.

868
00:48:46.440 --> 00:48:48.440
And that's why it reminded me when you said that,

869
00:48:48.480 --> 00:48:51.719
because he's like he heard something. I had no clue

870
00:48:51.760 --> 00:48:54.199
what was going on. So yeah, okay, go ahead, fix

871
00:48:54.239 --> 00:48:57.800
it if you say so type of thing. So that

872
00:48:57.840 --> 00:49:01.000
reminded me. I'm also going to drop another bomb on you.

873
00:49:01.679 --> 00:49:05.199
Remember I was talking about that record store clerk. Yes,

874
00:49:05.960 --> 00:49:07.840
oh yeah, Well I forgot to tell you his name.

875
00:49:09.519 --> 00:49:14.800
He owned a small record label back then. You might

876
00:49:14.800 --> 00:49:18.239
have heard of it. No, it's not, Oh my god,

877
00:49:18.599 --> 00:49:24.760
go ahead, give a guess. It's sure to fuck sure

878
00:49:24.800 --> 00:49:29.360
to fuck my god. Yeah, I I You know, it's

879
00:49:29.400 --> 00:49:34.880
funny because I saw him several years back and I

880
00:49:34.920 --> 00:49:37.320
had to give him kudos, like it was the first

881
00:49:37.320 --> 00:49:39.079
time I saw him in like years and years, and

882
00:49:39.119 --> 00:49:42.400
I was like, man, I gotta tell you what you

883
00:49:42.440 --> 00:49:46.519
did back then. I was freaking brilliant, you know, And

884
00:49:47.159 --> 00:49:49.719
he was like, yeah, I was just a record store clerk,

885
00:49:50.000 --> 00:49:54.280
Like he really didn't set out to do this massive

886
00:49:54.360 --> 00:49:57.119
marketing like that's something I would actually do as a

887
00:49:57.119 --> 00:49:59.840
business person. I would become a record store clerk so

888
00:49:59.840 --> 00:50:02.679
I push my label. That's not way a bit. He

889
00:50:02.760 --> 00:50:06.480
was a record store Clark started a label man and

890
00:50:06.679 --> 00:50:10.440
just like recommended stuff. But he didn't like do it

891
00:50:10.480 --> 00:50:14.559
as a grand marketing plan. And that's what's genius about him,

892
00:50:14.840 --> 00:50:18.239
because that's why he's still around and still respected in

893
00:50:18.280 --> 00:50:21.400
the metal community because it was for the pure love

894
00:50:21.440 --> 00:50:22.719
of metal period.

895
00:50:23.280 --> 00:50:27.079
I have a Brian Slagel story, let's hear it. I

896
00:50:27.159 --> 00:50:29.840
really hope that I get the chance to meet him

897
00:50:30.039 --> 00:50:32.119
one day so that I can give him the biggest

898
00:50:32.199 --> 00:50:35.800
hug in the world. Nice because I have friends that

899
00:50:35.880 --> 00:50:41.400
are they're in signed bands on Metal Blade and uh

900
00:50:41.760 --> 00:50:43.559
that's all. I'm not going to say who they are

901
00:50:43.559 --> 00:50:44.840
because I don't want to. I don't want to out

902
00:50:44.880 --> 00:50:48.440
them in this, but they're and they're close with Brian.

903
00:50:49.079 --> 00:50:52.079
So when we were when we were shopping Seismic, the

904
00:50:52.119 --> 00:50:54.519
album that was coming out in twenty twenty, we were

905
00:50:54.519 --> 00:50:58.360
getting nowhere and so I just asked them, I'm like,

906
00:50:58.519 --> 00:51:01.840
you like, what can you just I don't know how

907
00:51:01.840 --> 00:51:04.679
to ask this. I said, can you give this whoever

908
00:51:04.800 --> 00:51:07.280
needs to be given it at Metal Blade and even

909
00:51:07.320 --> 00:51:10.039
if they want to pass, I don't care. I just

910
00:51:10.280 --> 00:51:14.119
can they tell me why? No one answers my submission ever,

911
00:51:15.400 --> 00:51:18.159
Like this is a process that I'm confused about. And

912
00:51:18.320 --> 00:51:20.760
they were like, yeah, yeah, so we'll go ask and

913
00:51:20.920 --> 00:51:27.079
uh when they asked, who would apparently be Brian Brian's

914
00:51:27.119 --> 00:51:31.960
like that band from Canada. Yeah, the I'm saying the

915
00:51:32.000 --> 00:51:36.840
wrong word the board. Whatever, they want to pass, there's

916
00:51:36.880 --> 00:51:39.239
nothing I can do about that. But I really liked

917
00:51:39.239 --> 00:51:41.039
them and I was pushing that record like I was

918
00:51:41.039 --> 00:51:43.960
on this record is fantastic you need and apparently like

919
00:51:44.000 --> 00:51:47.800
he pushed us real hard and they decided to pass

920
00:51:47.840 --> 00:51:49.239
on us obviously.

921
00:51:48.760 --> 00:51:48.920
But.

922
00:51:50.519 --> 00:51:52.880
Geez man, why why you didn't have to do that?

923
00:51:53.239 --> 00:51:58.920
Like we're like, wow, shit, man, like you you you

924
00:51:59.000 --> 00:52:01.960
hear stories about like from back in the day and stuff,

925
00:52:01.960 --> 00:52:04.000
and you just kind of like assume.

926
00:52:05.199 --> 00:52:08.599
Maybe over evolving and realizing who he is. It's it's

927
00:52:08.679 --> 00:52:10.960
like he doesn't really do anything anymore like that. And no,

928
00:52:11.079 --> 00:52:13.800
apparently no, he's still like I really like this band

929
00:52:13.880 --> 00:52:16.360
doing something and these guys are cool. Why aren't we

930
00:52:16.400 --> 00:52:18.159
Why do wh aren't they with us? This would be

931
00:52:18.199 --> 00:52:21.599
great that means the world to me. I don't even care.

932
00:52:21.960 --> 00:52:24.199
That's the story I tell about Metal Blade Now, I

933
00:52:24.519 --> 00:52:26.920
don't tell the story that we got past or whatever

934
00:52:26.960 --> 00:52:29.840
I tell that probably actually like liked us. This is cool.

935
00:52:30.760 --> 00:52:32.960
Big hug, Brian, This is me because I'll probably never

936
00:52:33.000 --> 00:52:35.280
see give you a big hug right now.

937
00:52:35.559 --> 00:52:38.039
Well, when they when the CP blows up and you're

938
00:52:38.039 --> 00:52:41.639
playing all the US festivals, maybe maybe then you'll give

939
00:52:41.679 --> 00:52:42.159
them a hug.

940
00:52:42.599 --> 00:52:44.960
I mean, fingers crossed man. You mentioned Milwaukee dead Fest.

941
00:52:45.039 --> 00:52:46.760
We want to play that so bad. It comes up

942
00:52:46.800 --> 00:52:49.880
all the time in our chats all the time.

943
00:52:50.400 --> 00:52:53.639
Well, I are you, Well I was it was Milwaukee

944
00:52:53.719 --> 00:52:57.400
Metal Fest. Are you talking about Maryland death Fest?

945
00:52:57.760 --> 00:53:01.119
No, it's the Milwaukee one. I brought up Maryland Deffest,

946
00:53:01.159 --> 00:53:04.079
but it's definitely the Milwaukee one that that Alex our

947
00:53:04.119 --> 00:53:06.039
vocalist talks about all the fucking.

948
00:53:05.800 --> 00:53:08.800
Time, the one that Jamie Josta runs, right, I.

949
00:53:09.079 --> 00:53:11.239
Guess, so I'm ignorant who runs it.

950
00:53:11.280 --> 00:53:13.719
But yeah, yeah, so that's the one. I was just

951
00:53:13.800 --> 00:53:16.280
at that he took it over. It's been around forever,

952
00:53:16.320 --> 00:53:18.039
but that was gone for a long time and he

953
00:53:18.119 --> 00:53:21.000
took it over, Like I think it was twenty twenty

954
00:53:21.000 --> 00:53:25.440
three or twenty twenty two, and man, I do a

955
00:53:25.440 --> 00:53:31.239
lot of festivals. I loved that festival because it's so

956
00:53:32.159 --> 00:53:37.760
obvious that's run by a musician, a metal musician. Like

957
00:53:38.440 --> 00:53:42.679
that's the problem. Sometimes it's like just like all of it.

958
00:53:43.760 --> 00:53:47.960
Leave the creativity to the creatives, leave the business to suits.

959
00:53:48.000 --> 00:53:50.199
I'm not against like I'm a business person, I'm not

960
00:53:50.239 --> 00:53:53.119
against the business people. But that was my problem back

961
00:53:53.119 --> 00:53:56.639
in the eighties. It's like, so you're taking these bands

962
00:53:58.320 --> 00:54:00.880
and you're changing the way to they look, the way

963
00:54:00.880 --> 00:54:05.079
they sound, and everything else, and yet it worked for

964
00:54:05.079 --> 00:54:08.400
a little while and it got killed because of that. Like,

965
00:54:08.480 --> 00:54:12.320
I think the musicians should decide what goes on with

966
00:54:12.400 --> 00:54:17.079
the creativity part, while the suits decide what the business

967
00:54:17.119 --> 00:54:19.760
part is. I think both parts are needed. So I'm

968
00:54:19.760 --> 00:54:22.920
not saying there shouldn't be business people. I just think

969
00:54:22.960 --> 00:54:26.280
people should know their role, you know, And like me,

970
00:54:26.559 --> 00:54:30.639
I'm type of person like I would trust the band's

971
00:54:31.440 --> 00:54:36.920
creative ability and talent more than my business sense for

972
00:54:37.199 --> 00:54:41.639
that part of it, because there's one big part of it.

973
00:54:42.159 --> 00:54:44.719
When you're a band in record labels telling you how

974
00:54:44.719 --> 00:54:49.079
to play your music, you're not as good because you're

975
00:54:49.119 --> 00:54:51.679
not playing the way you would play, You're not playing

976
00:54:51.719 --> 00:54:55.719
something you would like. So how can you be totally

977
00:54:57.440 --> 00:55:01.440
great at your craft when you're not doing what you

978
00:55:02.679 --> 00:55:06.599
are best at doing? And the fans notice that in

979
00:55:06.639 --> 00:55:09.679
a heartbeat. They notice if you're just dialing it in

980
00:55:10.440 --> 00:55:13.760
or if you just love what you're doing. I'd rather

981
00:55:13.840 --> 00:55:16.440
a band be up on stage loving what they're doing

982
00:55:17.440 --> 00:55:22.760
then somebody that was packaged and it's all fake. And

983
00:55:22.840 --> 00:55:26.679
that's why metal's so big right now is because now

984
00:55:26.800 --> 00:55:31.119
the metal bands can have that creativity. There's more control

985
00:55:31.239 --> 00:55:35.800
nowadays that metal bands have and you know, and that's

986
00:55:35.880 --> 00:55:40.559
where you can see who is the true musicians in.

987
00:55:40.559 --> 00:55:43.039
My opinion, I mean, that's what drew me to Pantera,

988
00:55:43.239 --> 00:55:48.199
was was dying just beaming the whole time he's out there.

989
00:55:48.280 --> 00:55:53.639
He's like, ah, goddamn, just since I think I even

990
00:55:53.679 --> 00:55:55.800
thinking about this video some more like even the behind

991
00:55:55.840 --> 00:55:58.679
the scenes stuff. When are they not just having fun?

992
00:56:01.119 --> 00:56:06.599
Now? Now you mentioned anime. Yeah, okay, so I have

993
00:56:06.679 --> 00:56:08.079
a trivia question for you.

994
00:56:08.480 --> 00:56:11.079
Oh I'm so gonna get this wrong, but sure.

995
00:56:11.320 --> 00:56:19.320
It should be easy. So what drummer who has been

996
00:56:19.800 --> 00:56:22.400
in several bands but was in a band that I

997
00:56:22.559 --> 00:56:27.280
mentioned in this interview and still is, but also is

998
00:56:27.320 --> 00:56:32.920
in a band that has an anime and a movie

999
00:56:33.440 --> 00:56:41.800
on Adult Swim, Gene Hoagland. That's the man. Yep, Death Clock.

1000
00:56:42.599 --> 00:56:45.480
Have you seen them live yet? Death Clock? No?

1001
00:56:45.599 --> 00:56:46.760
I keep missing them.

1002
00:56:47.119 --> 00:56:49.119
Oh my god, I just saw them. That's why I

1003
00:56:49.239 --> 00:56:53.559
thought of it. Oh my god, it was. It's so

1004
00:56:53.760 --> 00:56:58.440
insane because and I've actually talked to Gene and basically

1005
00:56:58.960 --> 00:57:01.400
they make it all about the anime to live show.

1006
00:57:01.559 --> 00:57:05.039
So they're kind of there's no lights on them, very little,

1007
00:57:05.119 --> 00:57:08.719
so you can't really see what they look like because

1008
00:57:08.760 --> 00:57:12.320
they're showing the anime up on the screen. So they're

1009
00:57:12.440 --> 00:57:18.559
playing along with the anime. Awesome, and it's so fucking badass.

1010
00:57:19.199 --> 00:57:22.679
And I'm like, just I just sat sit there like

1011
00:57:22.840 --> 00:57:26.840
in awe, Like I'm I'm like in shot and it's drumming.

1012
00:57:26.960 --> 00:57:28.679
I mean, Jesus Christ, like.

1013
00:57:29.679 --> 00:57:34.239
Jean Hoagland's Jeen Hogland cured my depression.

1014
00:57:35.079 --> 00:57:36.960
Wow, I want to hear that story.

1015
00:57:37.199 --> 00:57:39.239
It'd be my trivia question for you, but my trivia

1016
00:57:39.280 --> 00:57:42.440
questions are horrible. You're going to get this in five seconds.

1017
00:57:43.159 --> 00:57:49.320
But so, I'm in my early twenties, I met dime

1018
00:57:49.400 --> 00:57:51.639
Bag Daryl. I said, I want to start a band

1019
00:57:51.679 --> 00:57:53.679
because of you, and he looked me in the faces like,

1020
00:57:53.719 --> 00:57:54.800
to fucking do it.

1021
00:57:54.719 --> 00:57:58.360
Brother, that's so a ding way to say it too,

1022
00:58:00.039 --> 00:58:00.360
And like.

1023
00:58:00.280 --> 00:58:02.400
He was still midshaking my hand and he made eye

1024
00:58:02.440 --> 00:58:05.920
contact and squeezed, you know, He's like, fucking do it, brother,

1025
00:58:06.760 --> 00:58:08.960
And I'm like, oh, but you're like dim why He's like,

1026
00:58:09.000 --> 00:58:11.079
you'll be up there one day. And there's a venue

1027
00:58:11.119 --> 00:58:14.360
in Vancouver called the Croatian Cultural Center at the time

1028
00:58:14.599 --> 00:58:16.760
where I saw Damage Plan, which is where I met Dime,

1029
00:58:16.800 --> 00:58:18.719
which is where I asked him that question or told

1030
00:58:18.800 --> 00:58:20.559
him that statement, and he said it to me. And

1031
00:58:20.599 --> 00:58:22.800
literally the next day I started my band. And then

1032
00:58:22.920 --> 00:58:25.360
literally a year later, we were playing the stage at

1033
00:58:25.360 --> 00:58:27.840
the Cooragian Cultural Center and I was like, holy shit,

1034
00:58:27.920 --> 00:58:32.599
It's like this guy is Jesus holy shit. But then

1035
00:58:32.639 --> 00:58:39.000
inevitably Dime gets killed and I lose all motivation. I

1036
00:58:39.039 --> 00:58:43.159
am beyond depressed because that was my dude, and like

1037
00:58:43.599 --> 00:58:45.480
part of your brain is like maybe one day I

1038
00:58:45.519 --> 00:58:49.360
could play with him. Yeah, And because there's a cognitive

1039
00:58:49.360 --> 00:58:53.199
side to it too, there was like I understand that

1040
00:58:53.360 --> 00:58:57.440
Dime is pretty much impenetrable in the world of death

1041
00:58:57.480 --> 00:59:01.079
metal and metal guitar. Like everybody loved the guy and

1042
00:59:01.159 --> 00:59:03.639
so much so it's like that phrase, like I don't

1043
00:59:03.679 --> 00:59:06.000
trust people when they say they don't like dogs, but

1044
00:59:06.039 --> 00:59:08.079
I trust a dog when it doesn't like a person.

1045
00:59:09.440 --> 00:59:11.480
You're like if somebody says, oh, I didn't like Dimebag

1046
00:59:11.519 --> 00:59:13.079
he was a piece of shit, You're like, wow, what's

1047
00:59:13.119 --> 00:59:13.719
wrong with you?

1048
00:59:14.960 --> 00:59:15.199
Right?

1049
00:59:16.320 --> 00:59:19.719
But I was super like just I didn't know what

1050
00:59:19.760 --> 00:59:22.079
the hell to do. I didn't know what I was

1051
00:59:22.119 --> 00:59:25.320
gonna do because I thought Pantera was huge, but Damage

1052
00:59:25.360 --> 00:59:27.760
Plan was amazing, like to see dime play live, but

1053
00:59:27.760 --> 00:59:30.280
they weren't as big as Pantera, so there was a

1054
00:59:30.360 --> 00:59:33.199
chance that my band could possibly play there. There was

1055
00:59:33.239 --> 00:59:35.440
no chance in the world my band would play with Panthera.

1056
00:59:35.679 --> 00:59:40.039
I realized that, Like, come on, but uh. I called

1057
00:59:40.039 --> 00:59:42.480
my buddy Masa, who introduced me to Pantera and metal

1058
00:59:42.480 --> 00:59:44.480
and he was in Victoria going to school at the time,

1059
00:59:44.519 --> 00:59:46.480
and I went and visited him. I'm like, I'm depressed,

1060
00:59:46.519 --> 00:59:48.119
I don't know whatever, and he's like, well, the only

1061
00:59:48.159 --> 00:59:50.079
thing we can do is go to a show. And

1062
00:59:50.159 --> 00:59:54.360
I got tickets to this band. We should go see

1063
00:59:54.360 --> 00:59:58.599
this band and I was like, what the fuck kind

1064
00:59:58.599 --> 01:00:04.519
of stupid ass name is Sill? And he's like, oh,

1065
01:00:04.559 --> 01:00:07.119
they're playing with another man called Explosive Rage Disorder. I

1066
01:00:07.159 --> 01:00:11.320
was like, well that's more of a name than syl. Yeah, Like,

1067
01:00:13.559 --> 01:00:17.360
this is a stupid name, Sill. And I was ranting

1068
01:00:17.480 --> 01:00:20.199
all day about it, and then I would see, like

1069
01:00:20.320 --> 01:00:25.000
this is a testament to how moronic I am, because dude,

1070
01:00:25.039 --> 01:00:29.159
I build this up for dramatic, for dramatic things. Was

1071
01:00:29.199 --> 01:00:32.000
it PJ Harvey that did the whole Like and now

1072
01:00:32.119 --> 01:00:34.360
you know the rest of the story, Like who was

1073
01:00:34.400 --> 01:00:35.199
the guy that did that?

1074
01:00:35.880 --> 01:00:36.320
Oh?

1075
01:00:37.159 --> 01:00:39.039
That's I mean, I'm giving you one of those moments

1076
01:00:39.079 --> 01:00:41.679
when you're like and that man was Bill Gates and

1077
01:00:41.679 --> 01:00:46.400
you're like, holy shit. Uh the whole day I'm seeing

1078
01:00:46.480 --> 01:00:49.480
strangers on the street. Oh you know what concern I'm

1079
01:00:49.559 --> 01:00:54.800
going to Sill. Oh this is freaking dumb. Wow. I

1080
01:00:54.840 --> 01:00:57.400
hope they're giving your money back at the door, you moron.

1081
01:00:57.519 --> 01:00:59.280
And I'm like, and we go to this club it's

1082
01:00:59.320 --> 01:01:02.800
called the Sound Garden in Victoria at the time, and

1083
01:01:03.239 --> 01:01:06.599
I start playing pool because Explosive Rage Disorders on, I'm like,

1084
01:01:06.679 --> 01:01:08.079
this band is awful.

1085
01:01:09.400 --> 01:01:11.400
Oh so good.

1086
01:01:11.800 --> 01:01:14.400
Yeah, but they they weren't. They weren't.

1087
01:01:15.679 --> 01:01:21.159
There was some dude with a record player, like actual

1088
01:01:21.239 --> 01:01:26.079
re like and he's just like screaming nonsense over this

1089
01:01:26.199 --> 01:01:26.880
record player.

1090
01:01:27.199 --> 01:01:29.400
He opened the show and was the best act of

1091
01:01:29.440 --> 01:01:34.800
the night. And I'm like, Sill, this is the stupidest

1092
01:01:34.840 --> 01:01:37.360
band name. And they're like, all right, next up is

1093
01:01:37.480 --> 01:01:41.039
uh is s Yl and I'm like, yeah, it's pronounced sill.

1094
01:01:42.159 --> 01:01:44.320
Who the hell is s yl? And they come out

1095
01:01:44.320 --> 01:01:46.760
and they're like, we are strapping young lad, You're not?

1096
01:01:47.239 --> 01:01:50.519
And I was like what and then they just like

1097
01:01:51.119 --> 01:01:56.159
fucking Devin, fucking small club. I I just actually got

1098
01:01:56.159 --> 01:02:01.320
goosebumps saying that, remembering that moment just brutal. And the

1099
01:02:01.880 --> 01:02:03.280
City had just come out. I don't know if your

1100
01:02:03.320 --> 01:02:06.000
hip to Strapping Young lad, but like City had just

1101
01:02:06.039 --> 01:02:08.840
come out, so Detox they're starting with that and the

1102
01:02:08.920 --> 01:02:12.440
drum solo and oh my fucking god, and I'm like,

1103
01:02:12.519 --> 01:02:15.480
what is I don't even understand what is happening? Right,

1104
01:02:15.800 --> 01:02:20.280
Like I remember like falling over. I'm so confused. And

1105
01:02:20.320 --> 01:02:25.320
then Devin just Devin just losing his shit and only

1106
01:02:25.400 --> 01:02:27.960
the way Devin could and all his stuff in between

1107
01:02:28.119 --> 01:02:32.679
tracks like like, uh, we're strapping, buy our shirts. You

1108
01:02:32.719 --> 01:02:35.400
buy two t shirts, run for your ugly girlfriend. And

1109
01:02:35.400 --> 01:02:38.039
then they would just keep like playing shit. He's like

1110
01:02:38.119 --> 01:02:40.519
ladies and gentleman, fuck you, And then he would just

1111
01:02:40.519 --> 01:02:43.360
get the crowds losing their mind. I'm like, what is

1112
01:02:43.559 --> 01:02:49.880
happening right now? Man? Instant fan? And uh that Gene

1113
01:02:49.880 --> 01:02:54.079
Hoguan was playing drums in that fan nice And suddenly

1114
01:02:54.159 --> 01:02:57.480
I had like a new a new north Star, so

1115
01:02:57.559 --> 01:02:58.000
to speak.

1116
01:02:58.880 --> 01:03:02.519
And we must be on some like talk about north Star.

1117
01:03:02.639 --> 01:03:05.559
We must be on some kind of like other universe thing,

1118
01:03:06.159 --> 01:03:09.559
because stuff keeps coming up during this interview. I just

1119
01:03:09.679 --> 01:03:14.239
interviewed Devin recently. Oh my god, Like I can't believe

1120
01:03:14.239 --> 01:03:18.079
you brought that up, you know, like so funny and

1121
01:03:18.760 --> 01:03:21.239
funniest thing is I brought up something with him Like

1122
01:03:21.880 --> 01:03:25.039
he did a press conference a few years back at Hellfes,

1123
01:03:25.239 --> 01:03:27.519
which is one of the other festivals I cover. Oh

1124
01:03:27.559 --> 01:03:32.159
my god, I love that festival. And I just remember

1125
01:03:32.239 --> 01:03:36.960
so clearly him just talking about during the press conference

1126
01:03:37.360 --> 01:03:42.320
how much tour life is not the dream life and

1127
01:03:42.360 --> 01:03:45.159
how much it sucks and how much he hates it

1128
01:03:45.239 --> 01:03:48.280
and it like he was so brutally honest, and I

1129
01:03:48.320 --> 01:03:50.400
brought it up during the interview, like I thought that

1130
01:03:50.480 --> 01:03:52.480
was the great shit. Ever I'm like, because I get

1131
01:03:52.519 --> 01:03:54.599
that shit too, you know, and part of it is

1132
01:03:54.639 --> 01:03:57.719
but I always get from people, oh man, you're living

1133
01:03:57.760 --> 01:04:01.440
the dream life. And I'm like, I love doing it,

1134
01:04:01.920 --> 01:04:04.559
and part of it's the dream life. But then there's

1135
01:04:04.599 --> 01:04:07.199
the other parts they don't see same as we a musician,

1136
01:04:07.320 --> 01:04:10.679
Like there's parts of that life that is the dream life,

1137
01:04:10.880 --> 01:04:14.000
and there's parts of it that are real shit, you know,

1138
01:04:14.840 --> 01:04:18.159
and like there's parts of it that is grueling. People

1139
01:04:18.159 --> 01:04:22.159
don't realize how grueling is. You know. My youngest daughter

1140
01:04:23.400 --> 01:04:26.599
she comes sometimes to a festival with me, and I

1141
01:04:26.679 --> 01:04:30.480
think she gets it from coming to a festival with me,

1142
01:04:31.320 --> 01:04:35.800
because like one time she said, it was halfway through

1143
01:04:35.960 --> 01:04:37.679
through the first day and she's like, Dad, I don't

1144
01:04:37.719 --> 01:04:42.320
know how you do this every weekend. I'm done already. Yeah,

1145
01:04:42.519 --> 01:04:44.280
you know, it wasn't even at the end of the

1146
01:04:44.320 --> 01:04:48.639
first day yet. Okay. It's like, I don't think people

1147
01:04:48.800 --> 01:04:53.440
really realize how hard musicians work by going out and

1148
01:04:53.480 --> 01:04:59.320
going on tour and it's you know, it's just insane,

1149
01:04:59.360 --> 01:05:04.320
and like the ones are true true musicians. Like this weekend,

1150
01:05:06.159 --> 01:05:08.199
I was covering a show of one of my favorite

1151
01:05:08.239 --> 01:05:13.239
bands who was right by my house and I've been

1152
01:05:13.280 --> 01:05:18.239
gone since March, so I just got home and it

1153
01:05:18.360 --> 01:05:22.239
was right here. And so like that morning, I sent

1154
01:05:22.320 --> 01:05:25.039
an email. I'm like, hey, I was out on tour,

1155
01:05:25.119 --> 01:05:28.960
but I need to cover this show tonight. So this

1156
01:05:29.039 --> 01:05:30.920
is a band I couldn't see when I was a

1157
01:05:30.960 --> 01:05:35.320
teenager that I now can see. And let's see if

1158
01:05:35.320 --> 01:05:38.199
you know who this band is anyway, because it's a

1159
01:05:38.239 --> 01:05:44.480
punk band, the sub Humans. Oh shit, yes, And so

1160
01:05:45.599 --> 01:05:50.039
I did something today. I'm actually gonna tell you about this. Okay.

1161
01:05:50.079 --> 01:05:54.840
So I did a live last night on my Instagram

1162
01:05:54.880 --> 01:05:57.199
and then I when it was done, I shared it

1163
01:05:57.239 --> 01:06:01.440
as a real and was like I was at the

1164
01:06:01.519 --> 01:06:05.039
pit and it was one of my favorite songs. And

1165
01:06:05.079 --> 01:06:08.840
I decided, you know what Instagram keeps hocking me, the

1166
01:06:08.920 --> 01:06:12.880
boost posts. So I decide this is the one I'm

1167
01:06:12.920 --> 01:06:21.719
gonna boost. Okay, So it's like your story before five

1168
01:06:21.920 --> 01:06:28.039
hundred and seven thousand views so far to a Subhuman's

1169
01:06:28.079 --> 01:06:34.480
Instagram post that wasn't theirs, it's mine and literally, okay,

1170
01:06:34.519 --> 01:06:36.920
I got I'm looking at as we're speaking, because I

1171
01:06:37.039 --> 01:06:40.400
keep getting dings through the whole interview, and I'm like,

1172
01:06:40.480 --> 01:06:45.320
what the fuck is going on? Four thousand and five

1173
01:06:45.440 --> 01:06:52.039
hundred and forty likes and then and look, I did

1174
01:06:52.079 --> 01:06:55.480
to a hashtag wrong. I put to religious wars instead

1175
01:06:55.480 --> 01:07:00.159
of religious wars. Maybe that's it. Maybe the misspelling the

1176
01:07:00.239 --> 01:07:03.239
hashtag is what did it? I don't know, but you

1177
01:07:03.320 --> 01:07:05.719
can be assure. You talk about to spend the money

1178
01:07:05.719 --> 01:07:09.280
and doing things like I always saw about, like I'm

1179
01:07:09.280 --> 01:07:12.400
not spending money with these social media like I'm gonna

1180
01:07:12.440 --> 01:07:17.440
do it organically. Fuck that, I just spent money to

1181
01:07:17.519 --> 01:07:21.119
do boost his bost. I always spent fifty bucks. Okay,

1182
01:07:21.159 --> 01:07:23.519
it wasn't even a lot of money, and I'm like,

1183
01:07:23.599 --> 01:07:27.320
holy shit, it does work. I also, let's see, let's

1184
01:07:27.360 --> 01:07:33.239
get the count now. I also my my, uh, I

1185
01:07:33.239 --> 01:07:38.480
got almost one thousand followers all since yesterday, all this

1186
01:07:38.639 --> 01:07:44.920
since yesterday, Like oh so, more of that story is

1187
01:07:45.840 --> 01:07:49.599
maybe it is a good idea to pay these fuckers

1188
01:07:49.719 --> 01:07:54.719
to boost our shit, okay, because that's insane. I'm like,

1189
01:07:54.800 --> 01:07:57.760
I'm gonna go back to every post in my Instagram

1190
01:07:57.800 --> 01:08:01.360
and I'm gonna just I'll spend fifty bucks on every

1191
01:08:01.440 --> 01:08:06.519
post man, and I'll probably have more followers and more

1192
01:08:07.400 --> 01:08:11.639
engagement than you know, DJT.

1193
01:08:13.800 --> 01:08:15.480
Definitely this DJT.

1194
01:08:15.519 --> 01:08:19.880
Right, So yeah, yeah, so there there's something for you

1195
01:08:19.960 --> 01:08:24.079
too to push this EP like, yeah, I never would

1196
01:08:24.079 --> 01:08:26.319
have thought. I thought that's gonna just be a bunch

1197
01:08:26.359 --> 01:08:29.159
of bullshit. They're just gonna take my nothing, because that's

1198
01:08:29.159 --> 01:08:33.319
what happens with Facebook, even though they own Instagram. But

1199
01:08:33.399 --> 01:08:36.920
I've done Facebook before and uh, I don't tell them,

1200
01:08:37.000 --> 01:08:41.119
but their ads sucked, but Instagram their ads are pretty good.

1201
01:08:41.239 --> 01:08:45.520
So I don't know. Maybe meta meta, you know, favors

1202
01:08:45.600 --> 01:08:49.520
Instagram bring back my Space? What happened to my Space? Man?

1203
01:08:51.600 --> 01:08:54.399
That's another. Maybe it's the Tom photo, like we all.

1204
01:08:56.600 --> 01:08:58.159
Well, it took me a while to figure out what

1205
01:08:58.199 --> 01:09:02.319
the fuck is with this Tom shit? Like, and why

1206
01:09:02.439 --> 01:09:04.800
is he talking to me? Why is he saying Hi,

1207
01:09:04.880 --> 01:09:08.920
I'm Tom? He reminded me of fifty first dates? Yeah

1208
01:09:09.000 --> 01:09:13.680
right right, So I have one last question for you,

1209
01:09:13.800 --> 01:09:20.399
well second to last, okay, and that is why the

1210
01:09:20.399 --> 01:09:25.039
fuck are Canadian musicians so freaking good? Is it because

1211
01:09:25.079 --> 01:09:26.600
your weather sucks so bad?

1212
01:09:28.359 --> 01:09:31.079
I tell I tell my students, I don't have any friends.

1213
01:09:31.439 --> 01:09:33.039
That's that's that's my thing.

1214
01:09:33.640 --> 01:09:37.319
Oh well, that's that's part of it, because listen, okay,

1215
01:09:37.560 --> 01:09:41.279
I did play drums from like first grade until like

1216
01:09:41.479 --> 01:09:45.199
eighth grade. Then I switched the guitar. I sucked at drums.

1217
01:09:45.760 --> 01:09:49.399
I sucked because I hated that I had a practice

1218
01:09:49.439 --> 01:09:51.479
pad for years. Give me a fucking drum set. I

1219
01:09:51.479 --> 01:09:54.079
don't want to play out practice pad. I want to

1220
01:09:54.119 --> 01:09:58.000
just fucking play. Of course, you have to know how

1221
01:09:58.000 --> 01:10:01.079
to do that. So when I finally did get drum set, like,

1222
01:10:01.159 --> 01:10:04.479
oh well, I guess I know I need to practice pat.

1223
01:10:05.439 --> 01:10:10.279
And then I switched to guitar and had a friend.

1224
01:10:10.279 --> 01:10:12.199
He was really good guitar, so I had him give

1225
01:10:12.239 --> 01:10:16.159
me guitar lessons. Cool. You know, I used to come

1226
01:10:16.199 --> 01:10:18.720
over to his garage. We were both the same age,

1227
01:10:18.760 --> 01:10:21.479
and you know, he would have a big bud on

1228
01:10:21.560 --> 01:10:25.199
the table and we need to do that before the lesson.

1229
01:10:26.119 --> 01:10:32.479
But I just remember like doing scales and being like,

1230
01:10:32.720 --> 01:10:35.920
fuck this, I'm not playing scales eight hours a day.

1231
01:10:36.159 --> 01:10:38.479
And like Randy Rhodes, I saw him live. He was

1232
01:10:38.560 --> 01:10:41.560
my hero. And then I found out he practiced eight

1233
01:10:41.600 --> 01:10:44.319
hours a day, I'm like, I don't have fucking eight

1234
01:10:44.359 --> 01:10:48.039
hours a day to practice. Like fun I just want

1235
01:10:48.119 --> 01:10:51.520
to go play a gig. You know, that doesn't work

1236
01:10:51.560 --> 01:10:54.640
out too well if you can't even do a quarter

1237
01:10:54.720 --> 01:10:59.640
or a scale, you know. And so then I switched

1238
01:10:59.680 --> 01:11:02.640
to some and much easier. I decided to start singing

1239
01:11:02.760 --> 01:11:06.920
thrash metal. I don't need I don't need to practice that.

1240
01:11:07.159 --> 01:11:10.000
I don't need to learn an instrument. Boy, was I

1241
01:11:10.159 --> 01:11:14.479
fucking wrong? Okay, Because that's why I have so much

1242
01:11:14.560 --> 01:11:19.800
respect for singers in death metal and metalcore and deathcore

1243
01:11:20.079 --> 01:11:24.800
and any kind of metal nowadays involves growling and screaming,

1244
01:11:25.319 --> 01:11:28.039
because there is serious technique to it. I blew out

1245
01:11:28.079 --> 01:11:30.159
my voice right away because I know what the hell

1246
01:11:30.199 --> 01:11:32.760
I was doing. I was just screaming. And of course

1247
01:11:33.600 --> 01:11:35.720
you can't make it through an hour or even a

1248
01:11:35.760 --> 01:11:38.720
half an hour show just screaming without knowing what you're doing,

1249
01:11:39.159 --> 01:11:42.079
because your voice. I've done it on my radio show.

1250
01:11:42.119 --> 01:11:45.960
I've like I've sung I can't even get past one song,

1251
01:11:46.159 --> 01:11:49.439
Like I'll do one song and I'll be done. You know,

1252
01:11:49.560 --> 01:11:55.159
my thoat's fried? Uh? You know, So I give kudos

1253
01:11:55.199 --> 01:11:58.319
to somebody like you that stuck it out, that did

1254
01:11:58.359 --> 01:12:01.560
all that work, and as teaching others to do it again.

1255
01:12:01.920 --> 01:12:04.760
Having no friends, because that's what it takes to really

1256
01:12:04.800 --> 01:12:07.640
be good at guitar, have no friends, no life, and

1257
01:12:07.720 --> 01:12:09.960
sit in a room and just play it all the time.

1258
01:12:11.560 --> 01:12:14.880
You know, I couldn't even take hallucinogenics because then I

1259
01:12:14.960 --> 01:12:19.840
would take up my eight hours a time of practicing. Okay,

1260
01:12:20.520 --> 01:12:24.840
so uh so, yeah, that's off to you. And my

1261
01:12:24.960 --> 01:12:28.920
dad did did confirm for me, although I thought you

1262
01:12:28.920 --> 01:12:30.319
didn't know what he was talking about at the time.

1263
01:12:30.359 --> 01:12:33.399
He's like, you better give that up, you suck. I'm like, Dad,

1264
01:12:33.399 --> 01:12:37.600
but you don't understand. I'm experimenting, because that's why. Really,

1265
01:12:37.640 --> 01:12:40.319
I wasn't really playing the guitar. I was just seeing

1266
01:12:40.359 --> 01:12:43.680
what fucking sounds I can make out of it. And

1267
01:12:43.880 --> 01:12:45.960
some of them were really cool to me. I don't

1268
01:12:46.000 --> 01:12:47.720
know if they were cool because I was high or

1269
01:12:47.800 --> 01:12:51.760
could because they were cool. But you know, there's so

1270
01:12:51.880 --> 01:12:54.640
much more to it, is my point. And people think

1271
01:12:54.640 --> 01:12:56.640
they're just going to pick it up and just do things.

1272
01:12:57.439 --> 01:12:59.840
There's so much more to it now. My grandson, on

1273
01:12:59.880 --> 01:13:05.520
the other hand, okay, he liked me. I was a

1274
01:13:05.560 --> 01:13:08.680
total gamer. I was a total geeky nerd. It wasn't

1275
01:13:08.760 --> 01:13:11.760
until I found metal that I got a little cool, okay,

1276
01:13:12.279 --> 01:13:16.319
and then still be a geeking nerd, you know. And

1277
01:13:16.399 --> 01:13:19.600
my grandson he was, he's a gamer nerd and more

1278
01:13:19.680 --> 01:13:23.600
so he was. And then so like in around the

1279
01:13:23.640 --> 01:13:27.399
same age too. As it happened to me, like two

1280
01:13:27.479 --> 01:13:31.279
years ago, he's fifteen. Now, two years ago, I'm like, hey,

1281
01:13:32.359 --> 01:13:34.880
what do you want for your birthday? He goes, I

1282
01:13:34.920 --> 01:13:38.239
want a guitar. I'm like, let's go. And we went

1283
01:13:38.239 --> 01:13:40.640
to Guitar Center and he sat down and he was

1284
01:13:40.680 --> 01:13:42.840
playing a Green Day song and I'm like, what the fuck?

1285
01:13:44.239 --> 01:13:47.199
How did that happen? How you know how to do that?

1286
01:13:48.079 --> 01:13:50.920
You know? And then we're riding back in the cart.

1287
01:13:52.199 --> 01:13:55.800
Unbeknownst to me, you know, I'm playing them all these

1288
01:13:56.680 --> 01:14:01.560
bands and he likes them all. The next time i'm

1289
01:14:01.560 --> 01:14:03.600
with him, he's wearing a Dead Kennedy shirt. I'm like,

1290
01:14:03.640 --> 01:14:07.720
how do you know about that? And so then his

1291
01:14:07.880 --> 01:14:13.119
mother last year, she reaches out to me, Yeah, Cole,

1292
01:14:13.760 --> 01:14:17.399
and you'll when you see the interview, Cole is the

1293
01:14:17.600 --> 01:14:21.880
intro to does the party intro to my into my show?

1294
01:14:22.399 --> 01:14:22.640
Okay.

1295
01:14:22.920 --> 01:14:25.079
And then Chad, the guy that was my head engineer,

1296
01:14:25.119 --> 01:14:28.720
he passed away a few years back. He also is

1297
01:14:28.760 --> 01:14:32.279
in there. But my grand my grandson, he was little

1298
01:14:32.279 --> 01:14:35.439
way d I don't know, like three or four when

1299
01:14:35.479 --> 01:14:38.399
he did the intro. It's pretty badass though, so I,

1300
01:14:38.840 --> 01:14:42.239
you know, I want to update, but I don't, you know.

1301
01:14:43.520 --> 01:14:49.720
But anyway, Yeah, Cole wants to know if you can

1302
01:14:49.760 --> 01:14:53.560
get him a ticket to Welcome to Rockville, and that's

1303
01:14:53.600 --> 01:14:56.720
one of the festivals I do. I'm like, I'm not

1304
01:14:56.760 --> 01:14:59.119
getting him a fucking ticket. He's doing pressed with me,

1305
01:15:00.960 --> 01:15:05.319
and so like he did get to do that, and

1306
01:15:05.319 --> 01:15:08.199
and like he just likes all these bands. And then

1307
01:15:08.479 --> 01:15:10.920
I gave him the full as my dor in law

1308
01:15:10.960 --> 01:15:13.880
put it to my son, the full pipe man experience,

1309
01:15:15.800 --> 01:15:18.520
you know. He interviewed bands with me, He got to

1310
01:15:18.560 --> 01:15:23.640
meet some of his favorite bands. We were invited to

1311
01:15:23.960 --> 01:15:27.199
be up on stage and side stage for some bands.

1312
01:15:27.239 --> 01:15:32.600
Are his favorites, you know. And and then during Green Day,

1313
01:15:33.880 --> 01:15:36.640
I brought him out into the crowd right by where

1314
01:15:36.680 --> 01:15:39.399
the pitts were gonna be, and his mom was with us.

1315
01:15:40.039 --> 01:15:41.880
I knew she wasn't gonna be able to handle it,

1316
01:15:42.319 --> 01:15:45.680
but she didn't think he could handle it. And so

1317
01:15:46.000 --> 01:15:52.359
basically she's like, I'm gonna go to back and she

1318
01:15:52.359 --> 01:15:54.800
She's like, you want to come with me calling He's

1319
01:15:54.840 --> 01:15:58.000
like no, and she couldn't believe it, Like she couldn't

1320
01:15:58.000 --> 01:15:59.840
believe she thought he want to be at all that.

1321
01:16:00.359 --> 01:16:02.000
So he was there in the thick of it. We

1322
01:16:02.000 --> 01:16:06.319
were standing in between two pits, and you know, I

1323
01:16:06.399 --> 01:16:09.399
told him, you let me know when you want to

1324
01:16:09.399 --> 01:16:11.399
get out of here, but for now, here we are.

1325
01:16:11.560 --> 01:16:13.359
And if you want to go in the pit, we're

1326
01:16:13.359 --> 01:16:20.000
going in the pit. And right, I've actually bought I've

1327
01:16:20.039 --> 01:16:23.159
actually brought my son in his first pit ever, and

1328
01:16:23.239 --> 01:16:27.000
I brought three of my grandsons into their first pits.

1329
01:16:27.439 --> 01:16:30.239
Okay, we need to send you some kind of trophy,

1330
01:16:30.319 --> 01:16:31.279
that's what we need to do.

1331
01:16:31.800 --> 01:16:34.279
Right, And I've had two heart attack surfing and I

1332
01:16:34.399 --> 01:16:38.960
still go in the pit. You know. So fuck all

1333
01:16:39.079 --> 01:16:43.439
the shit that people tell you about age, about you know,

1334
01:16:44.159 --> 01:16:48.199
taking these big pharm of drugs and shit. My solution

1335
01:16:48.920 --> 01:16:52.720
to being leading a happy, healthy life is a fucking

1336
01:16:52.840 --> 01:16:56.319
mosh pit. And it's my solution to the world too.

1337
01:16:56.399 --> 01:16:59.800
Okay you want to hear my plan? Yes, okay, So

1338
01:17:00.119 --> 01:17:04.159
a solution to all the world's problems. We have one

1339
01:17:04.239 --> 01:17:08.680
major music festival throughout the whole world, everybody that is

1340
01:17:08.800 --> 01:17:15.000
not a leader, meaning not a political leader, is required

1341
01:17:15.079 --> 01:17:19.079
to attend like required. It's not an optional, it's required,

1342
01:17:19.119 --> 01:17:26.479
and it is a metal festival, okay, and everybody has

1343
01:17:26.560 --> 01:17:30.319
to go all into the mosh pit and work it out.

1344
01:17:30.640 --> 01:17:33.720
Because if everybody just instead of all this bullshit on

1345
01:17:33.760 --> 01:17:36.399
social media and all this hate, if everybody just got

1346
01:17:36.399 --> 01:17:38.680
a mashpit, we'd worked the shit out and can move

1347
01:17:38.720 --> 01:17:41.720
on instead of laying these fucking assholes in the world

1348
01:17:41.800 --> 01:17:46.880
divide us, you know, And because the bottom line is

1349
01:17:47.640 --> 01:17:51.199
they're all on the same team and it ain't fucking hours.

1350
01:17:51.840 --> 01:17:55.600
Let's bind, bound together, love each arcas that's what a

1351
01:17:56.119 --> 01:17:59.680
metal festival is about, or a metal concert or anything metal.

1352
01:18:00.119 --> 01:18:05.359
We're not the scary devil worshiping blah blah blah blah blah.

1353
01:18:05.720 --> 01:18:09.520
We're a bunch of outcasts that are now in casts

1354
01:18:09.560 --> 01:18:13.600
in our own world. And everybody's free to be themselves

1355
01:18:13.840 --> 01:18:16.399
and be who they are, and we're all gonna love you,

1356
01:18:16.720 --> 01:18:19.079
and we're gonna knock the ship out of each other

1357
01:18:19.119 --> 01:18:21.000
in the pit, but we're gonna pick you up when

1358
01:18:21.000 --> 01:18:23.600
you fall, and after the song's over, we're all gonna

1359
01:18:23.600 --> 01:18:26.680
have a big hug because we just fucking mashed it

1360
01:18:26.760 --> 01:18:27.319
in the pit.

1361
01:18:30.640 --> 01:18:32.239
Four hundred dude.

1362
01:18:33.239 --> 01:18:33.520
Yep.

1363
01:18:34.439 --> 01:18:36.600
I got to ask, what are you gonna call the festival?

1364
01:18:40.880 --> 01:18:43.279
That's a good question. I didn't think of that yet,

1365
01:18:43.279 --> 01:18:46.720
So I'm glad you brought it up. Uh, I'm gonna

1366
01:18:46.960 --> 01:18:56.119
call it the fuck. Fuck the politicians, fuck the media,

1367
01:18:56.720 --> 01:18:59.119
let's mosh it out festival.

1368
01:19:00.479 --> 01:19:01.279
Fest.

1369
01:19:01.880 --> 01:19:05.680
There it is, there it is. We got it. You know.

1370
01:19:05.720 --> 01:19:10.279
There's that there's that great We're talking lots about Pantera

1371
01:19:10.359 --> 01:19:13.039
because that's my that's my my blood.

1372
01:19:13.880 --> 01:19:14.319
Uh.

1373
01:19:14.600 --> 01:19:17.439
There's that great line off my favorite Panthera record, which

1374
01:19:17.479 --> 01:19:21.000
is the great Southern trend kill, And there's that great

1375
01:19:21.039 --> 01:19:23.479
line where he says, all the money in the fucking

1376
01:19:23.600 --> 01:19:26.960
world wouldn't buy me announce the trust and anything you

1377
01:19:27.079 --> 01:19:31.600
assholes are about. And I'm like, oh, oh shit, as

1378
01:19:31.640 --> 01:19:35.640
I get older, that just that's thank you, Phil, Thank

1379
01:19:35.720 --> 01:19:36.239
you Phil.

1380
01:19:36.920 --> 01:19:39.319
Okay. So now you're gonna be fucking pissed at me.

1381
01:19:39.840 --> 01:19:40.399
Oh god.

1382
01:19:40.880 --> 01:19:45.479
Yeah. So uh, I'm friends with this dude. I'm also

1383
01:19:45.600 --> 01:19:49.079
friend with this dude's wife, and they and they were

1384
01:19:49.119 --> 01:19:53.800
at a festival one day in the media area, game

1385
01:19:53.920 --> 01:19:56.720
bombarded by all the media. People like it was a

1386
01:19:56.760 --> 01:20:01.119
fucking meet and greet and uh And that's just so

1387
01:20:01.279 --> 01:20:03.399
I'm not about that, by the way. That's why I

1388
01:20:03.439 --> 01:20:05.520
say it the way I do. Like, you're fucking there

1389
01:20:05.560 --> 01:20:08.000
to work. It's a safe spot spot for the artist.

1390
01:20:08.039 --> 01:20:10.359
It ain't a fucking meet and greet. Like I tell

1391
01:20:10.399 --> 01:20:13.000
people that come work a festival with me, don't ask

1392
01:20:13.000 --> 01:20:18.760
for an aigraph, don't ask for a uh uh selfie. Period.

1393
01:20:19.640 --> 01:20:24.079
So anyway, this person, he's being really nice to everybody

1394
01:20:24.239 --> 01:20:28.840
signing aigraphs, taking pictures, and his wife calls me over

1395
01:20:30.319 --> 01:20:34.279
and he's like, can you do me a favor? Can

1396
01:20:34.319 --> 01:20:36.960
you tell him I'm getting pissed it's time to leave.

1397
01:20:38.039 --> 01:20:42.520
He's too nice. He won't say no to anybody. So

1398
01:20:42.600 --> 01:20:45.039
I walked over to him and I whisper is there,

1399
01:20:45.199 --> 01:20:48.359
and I'm like, dude, your wife's getting pissed, it's time

1400
01:20:48.359 --> 01:20:48.720
to leave.

1401
01:20:49.319 --> 01:20:54.000
Thank god, dude, what you just talked to the It's amazing, man.

1402
01:20:55.039 --> 01:20:58.439
And it's funny because then after he left, everybody, fuck

1403
01:20:58.520 --> 01:21:03.560
it comes up like did this is why? This is

1404
01:21:03.720 --> 01:21:09.239
why stop ask acting like that. You're fucking professionals. Okay,

1405
01:21:09.840 --> 01:21:13.520
you know there's only there's only really two times I've

1406
01:21:13.760 --> 01:21:18.000
really seriously famboyed out. And I've interviewed like over three

1407
01:21:18.039 --> 01:21:22.159
thousand bands and artists and one of those right now,

1408
01:21:22.840 --> 01:21:24.520
exactly exactly.

1409
01:21:24.279 --> 01:21:25.359
It's okay, just a person.

1410
01:21:25.920 --> 01:21:34.039
Yeah, it's only because of your initials. And by the way,

1411
01:21:34.239 --> 01:21:37.960
I am doing this interview, recording this interview about fifteen

1412
01:21:38.199 --> 01:21:42.920
minutes from Mara a Lago, by the way, so this

1413
01:21:43.159 --> 01:21:50.600
is yeah, yeah, yeah, so uh yeah, do you want

1414
01:21:50.640 --> 01:21:57.079
to not those two times? Okay, So one time I

1415
01:21:57.119 --> 01:22:03.520
was interviewing Roy mayergo from Stone Sour on the tours Okay, yeah, yeah.

1416
01:22:02.920 --> 01:22:05.640
I get off the tour bus and I go sit

1417
01:22:05.840 --> 01:22:10.960
on the curb backstage. I'm smoking a cigarette. Some dude

1418
01:22:11.000 --> 01:22:15.800
walks over to me and starts talking to me. Now

1419
01:22:16.720 --> 01:22:21.720
I knew who he was, but I acted like I didn't.

1420
01:22:22.600 --> 01:22:25.560
I played it very cool, and in my head, I'm like, oh,

1421
01:22:25.600 --> 01:22:28.960
my fucking god, so and so is talking to me

1422
01:22:29.079 --> 01:22:31.720
about the fucking weather, because that's the way he was

1423
01:22:31.720 --> 01:22:35.600
talking about me. Dude, last night, the weather really sucked

1424
01:22:35.600 --> 01:22:39.760
in Georgia, and blah blah blah blah. That was Corey Taylor.

1425
01:22:40.239 --> 01:22:40.920
Oh my god.

1426
01:22:42.039 --> 01:22:46.079
And I never really interviewed him or anything. In fact,

1427
01:22:46.119 --> 01:22:49.399
I got fucked. You want not a COVID fucked but

1428
01:22:49.560 --> 01:22:53.920
similar uh you know, So basically I was I was

1429
01:22:53.960 --> 01:22:56.880
supposed to interview him one time after that. I was

1430
01:22:56.920 --> 01:22:59.640
gonna use it in the interview because it was like

1431
01:23:00.359 --> 01:23:04.880
before that that happened. And then, you know, I actually

1432
01:23:04.880 --> 01:23:08.680
saw him another festival that same year, and I was

1433
01:23:08.720 --> 01:23:11.800
like back behind the stage and he comes down and

1434
01:23:11.840 --> 01:23:14.359
it's in Florida, so it's fucking high as hell here.

1435
01:23:15.159 --> 01:23:19.079
He looks at me and he's like, dude, fucking hot

1436
01:23:19.119 --> 01:23:22.760
at shit here, and I'm like, okay, that that was

1437
01:23:22.800 --> 01:23:26.000
a pretty cool day, you know, because that was the

1438
01:23:26.079 --> 01:23:29.880
extent of it, you know. But I'm like, well turned

1439
01:23:29.920 --> 01:23:34.800
and said it to me. But anyway, so rocking the range.

1440
01:23:35.199 --> 01:23:38.119
They come out to me and they're like, we're bringing

1441
01:23:38.159 --> 01:23:41.239
Corey out to you in five minutes for the interview.

1442
01:23:42.359 --> 01:23:45.920
Two minutes later, code red. Do you know what code

1443
01:23:45.960 --> 01:23:52.000
red means at a music festival? Means you're fucked. It

1444
01:23:52.039 --> 01:23:56.720
means you're about to get evacuated, not about it's time

1445
01:23:56.880 --> 01:24:00.079
you must leave right now, Do not pass go, do

1446
01:24:00.159 --> 01:24:04.279
not collect two hundred dollars, do not interview Corey Taylor.

1447
01:24:05.600 --> 01:24:08.560
And I've never gotten interview since I've interviewed his wife

1448
01:24:08.640 --> 01:24:12.319
multiple times. I love her to death, but again I'm

1449
01:24:12.319 --> 01:24:15.800
a pro. So a lot of dis will go through

1450
01:24:15.840 --> 01:24:18.920
somebody like that to get the interview. I won't do that.

1451
01:24:19.000 --> 01:24:23.399
I've never asked her ever. Okay, she wants to promote

1452
01:24:23.399 --> 01:24:27.560
her stuff, that's my job. I've interviewed his kid, I've

1453
01:24:27.600 --> 01:24:33.319
interviewed Clown's kid. You know, I've never interviewed Corey yet.

1454
01:24:34.199 --> 01:24:40.840
I say yet exactly, you know. And the thing is,

1455
01:24:41.399 --> 01:24:43.560
so that was my one fan by moment when he

1456
01:24:43.640 --> 01:24:46.760
sitting I curb smoking a cigarette with me talking about

1457
01:24:46.760 --> 01:24:47.479
the fucking weather.

1458
01:24:48.479 --> 01:24:48.600
Uh.

1459
01:24:48.960 --> 01:24:52.039
There's actually three famboy moments. Okay, I forgot about one.

1460
01:24:53.079 --> 01:24:56.560
The second fanboy moment. So I was doing award show

1461
01:24:57.720 --> 01:25:02.159
and I'm getting it's in LA. I'm down in the garage.

1462
01:25:02.439 --> 01:25:04.920
I just paid for my parking thing in the machine

1463
01:25:05.800 --> 01:25:08.079
or no, I'm behind somebody in the machine and he's

1464
01:25:08.119 --> 01:25:10.399
putting the ticket in and it's not working. And he

1465
01:25:10.479 --> 01:25:13.520
turns around to me. He goes, man, do you know

1466
01:25:13.560 --> 01:25:17.960
how to move? Have work this fucking thing? And I'm like, oh, dude,

1467
01:25:17.960 --> 01:25:22.279
that's your receipt. You need your ticket. So he like

1468
01:25:22.399 --> 01:25:25.479
yells over to his wife for the ticket. Can't find

1469
01:25:25.479 --> 01:25:31.159
a ticket, okay. And so then the security people there

1470
01:25:31.199 --> 01:25:36.960
they start harassing this dude and I'm like, dude, just

1471
01:25:37.119 --> 01:25:39.960
let him go. Do you not know who that is?

1472
01:25:41.439 --> 01:25:44.119
And then when they finally did let him go because

1473
01:25:44.279 --> 01:25:46.800
I said so, he pulls up to me and he's like,

1474
01:25:47.800 --> 01:25:56.119
fucking complicate garage here, man, thanks for the help. Iced Tea. Wow. Yeah,

1475
01:25:56.319 --> 01:26:00.600
and I and again, I've interviewed body count but not

1476
01:26:00.920 --> 01:26:09.279
iced Tea, okay. And so the third moment is another

1477
01:26:09.359 --> 01:26:16.359
person I have not interviewed, So it only happens when

1478
01:26:16.359 --> 01:26:18.920
I'm not interviewing them. If I'm interviewing them, there's no

1479
01:26:19.039 --> 01:26:23.640
fanboy moments usually. And so basically, I used to have

1480
01:26:23.680 --> 01:26:26.079
this joke on my show of who the love of

1481
01:26:26.079 --> 01:26:29.800
my life was, and everybody that listened to my show

1482
01:26:29.960 --> 01:26:32.479
used to know who it was. So I'm at this

1483
01:26:32.600 --> 01:26:36.600
festival one time and I go do an interview. I

1484
01:26:36.600 --> 01:26:39.319
had to walk over to this riser to do the interview,

1485
01:26:39.359 --> 01:26:43.720
and I'm carrying all my stuff back and my wire

1486
01:26:43.840 --> 01:26:46.880
is dragging on the ground. So this really big dude

1487
01:26:46.960 --> 01:26:49.279
walks over and picks it up and hands it to me.

1488
01:26:49.439 --> 01:26:52.920
Be careful, dude, Like he was totally helpful. So I

1489
01:26:52.960 --> 01:26:55.039
go back to my table where my stuff is, and

1490
01:26:55.239 --> 01:26:58.119
person that runs media at the festival she's like, sorry,

1491
01:26:58.680 --> 01:27:01.159
I had to take over your table because so and

1492
01:27:01.199 --> 01:27:04.399
so it's going to be doing a signing at your

1493
01:27:04.439 --> 01:27:11.680
table and and I'm like, okay, it's cool U And

1494
01:27:11.720 --> 01:27:13.560
she jokes with me because she knows me, but she

1495
01:27:13.600 --> 01:27:15.159
knows I wouldn't do that anyway, and she goes and

1496
01:27:15.199 --> 01:27:19.000
don't ask for an interview. I'm like, okay, you know

1497
01:27:19.119 --> 01:27:24.000
I won't. Uh So then this person's there doing the

1498
01:27:24.039 --> 01:27:27.239
signings and I see other media people going up and

1499
01:27:27.279 --> 01:27:31.680
taking selfies with her, so I decide I go up

1500
01:27:31.720 --> 01:27:35.640
to I looked to his side and who's that guy

1501
01:27:35.680 --> 01:27:39.920
that picked up the wire? It was her security guard.

1502
01:27:40.680 --> 01:27:43.920
So I went up to him. I'm like, hey, dude,

1503
01:27:44.159 --> 01:27:47.880
thanks for helping me out. Do you mind? Can I

1504
01:27:47.920 --> 01:27:49.600
get it? And can I get a pick with her?

1505
01:27:50.399 --> 01:27:55.479
And I never do that, and he's like, sure, where's

1506
01:27:55.520 --> 01:27:55.960
your phone?

1507
01:27:56.960 --> 01:27:57.119
Now?

1508
01:27:57.159 --> 01:28:00.000
Another thing I never do. I always have my phone

1509
01:28:00.039 --> 01:28:03.840
in my pocket no matter what, except this time I

1510
01:28:04.079 --> 01:28:06.840
left it up at the riser where I did the interview.

1511
01:28:08.239 --> 01:28:10.560
And I reached to my back pocket. It is out there.

1512
01:28:10.560 --> 01:28:13.279
I'm like, fuck me, I'm like, hold on, I'll be

1513
01:28:13.359 --> 01:28:16.239
right back, and I ran man and I do have

1514
01:28:16.319 --> 01:28:19.239
some wheels, so I ran fast guy at Grandma and

1515
01:28:19.279 --> 01:28:23.239
then the person raning media said, sorry, she's got to go.

1516
01:28:24.119 --> 01:28:27.960
Uh you know, she can't do it. And this was

1517
01:28:28.000 --> 01:28:30.680
one of those moments kind of like what you're describing before,

1518
01:28:30.720 --> 01:28:33.439
because a lot of media people I talked to, like

1519
01:28:33.520 --> 01:28:36.840
sometimes they like to talk shit about certain artists, and

1520
01:28:36.880 --> 01:28:39.920
she was one they talk about. But you know, what

1521
01:28:40.399 --> 01:28:42.920
they talk shit is what I find as because maybe

1522
01:28:42.960 --> 01:28:45.640
they don't get an interview, or maybe they're a shitty

1523
01:28:45.680 --> 01:28:48.800
interviewer and they don't get a good interview when they're interviewing.

1524
01:28:49.279 --> 01:28:54.199
But it's not the artists. Usually it's usually you. And

1525
01:28:54.239 --> 01:28:57.039
so I don't listen to that shit, you know, whatever

1526
01:28:57.079 --> 01:28:59.399
they say. I'm gonna have my own experience and form

1527
01:28:59.439 --> 01:29:02.920
my own opinion. And I did have a very different

1528
01:29:02.920 --> 01:29:07.199
opinion because she told the person, hey, me and no,

1529
01:29:08.600 --> 01:29:12.960
I want to take a picture with him. And she

1530
01:29:13.159 --> 01:29:16.079
was so gracious that she put, you know, her hands

1531
01:29:16.159 --> 01:29:18.680
on my shoulder and she was like very endearing in

1532
01:29:18.720 --> 01:29:21.880
the picture. Me like an idiot. And I'm usually a

1533
01:29:22.159 --> 01:29:24.840
very good when it comes to pictures. I know when

1534
01:29:24.840 --> 01:29:28.840
the camera's around and I just feel it. This time,

1535
01:29:28.920 --> 01:29:32.279
my head was kind of fucked up and I was

1536
01:29:32.520 --> 01:29:35.840
I like, did one of these? Yah? So I looked

1537
01:29:35.920 --> 01:29:39.920
kind of totally stupid in the picture. For sure. That

1538
01:29:40.039 --> 01:29:40.880
was Amy Lee.

1539
01:29:41.439 --> 01:29:43.239
Oh wow. Yeah.

1540
01:29:43.760 --> 01:29:46.319
So like for all the people that would say shit,

1541
01:29:46.680 --> 01:29:48.800
she didn't have to do that. That was the nicest

1542
01:29:48.800 --> 01:29:51.760
thing anybody could ever do. And I will remember that

1543
01:29:51.800 --> 01:29:54.960
forever because she did that. She was totally cool about it,

1544
01:29:55.199 --> 01:29:57.640
and I woul totally understood if she had to leave.

1545
01:29:57.760 --> 01:30:04.119
For sure, I've heard that she's just freaking incredibly kind.

1546
01:30:04.800 --> 01:30:09.119
I've I've heard that more often than anything else I've heard. Yeah,

1547
01:30:09.159 --> 01:30:14.600
that's yeah, and she was I've said for years what

1548
01:30:14.840 --> 01:30:15.479
a voice.

1549
01:30:16.079 --> 01:30:19.039
Oh my god. Like that's why I always called her

1550
01:30:19.119 --> 01:30:21.920
love of my law life, the Goth Queen. But she's

1551
01:30:22.000 --> 01:30:26.439
classy too, and that voice, that voice, like that's enough.

1552
01:30:27.439 --> 01:30:32.279
I'll tell you what, my immortal, all she have to

1553
01:30:32.319 --> 01:30:34.279
do is sing that to me. I wouldn't even have

1554
01:30:34.319 --> 01:30:37.319
to have any kind of thing with her, and that

1555
01:30:37.359 --> 01:30:46.720
would be enough to give me an orgasm. I mean, like,

1556
01:30:49.239 --> 01:30:51.760
can you disagree with that. I mean, come up, I'm

1557
01:30:52.720 --> 01:30:53.520
here somewhere.

1558
01:30:56.279 --> 01:31:00.800
Oh man, oh yeah. When she did that, I think

1559
01:31:00.840 --> 01:31:03.000
it's just called broken what either.

1560
01:31:03.159 --> 01:31:05.399
Oh yeah, yeah yeah, Oh.

1561
01:31:05.279 --> 01:31:09.359
My god, man. And she makes every song better and when.

1562
01:31:09.199 --> 01:31:13.359
She and when she tests the song with corn.

1563
01:31:13.800 --> 01:31:17.000
Oh MyD the acoustic thing, right, yeah.

1564
01:31:16.760 --> 01:31:20.399
I like that better than the real version, Like, oh

1565
01:31:20.439 --> 01:31:24.640
my god, it's so incredible, you know, which all says

1566
01:31:24.680 --> 01:31:29.039
to me. People like her and many other women. I

1567
01:31:29.079 --> 01:31:31.079
don't know what the fuck we were thinking in the

1568
01:31:31.119 --> 01:31:34.319
eighties either, because the women are way more badass and

1569
01:31:34.439 --> 01:31:38.039
metal than the men are. Like you take somebody like

1570
01:31:38.159 --> 01:31:43.279
Courtney Laplonte, like, oh my god, that voice, that fucking voice,

1571
01:31:43.319 --> 01:31:49.199
and I I watch her at festivals like I'm in amazement, okay,

1572
01:31:49.399 --> 01:31:53.000
because I watch her mouth and the technique she has.

1573
01:31:53.079 --> 01:31:55.720
So when I was talking earlier about me sucking that

1574
01:31:55.840 --> 01:31:59.880
singing that no technique, I'm referring to her with the technique.

1575
01:32:00.159 --> 01:32:02.880
She has got the most badass technique I've ever seen.

1576
01:32:03.279 --> 01:32:03.520
You know.

1577
01:32:03.640 --> 01:32:06.199
It's like, yeah, and if you if you dig Courtney,

1578
01:32:06.239 --> 01:32:08.319
then there has to be an honorable mention to Toddy

1579
01:32:08.399 --> 01:32:09.199
from Ginger.

1580
01:32:09.319 --> 01:32:12.239
That was next. That was next, Like that one.

1581
01:32:12.520 --> 01:32:15.199
That one made me I had. I had two reactions

1582
01:32:15.239 --> 01:32:19.119
the first time I ever heard Ginger ever, because I

1583
01:32:19.159 --> 01:32:21.640
didn't a lot of people discover Ginger through that Pisces

1584
01:32:21.720 --> 01:32:24.840
video where they're in they're in the studio whatever. My

1585
01:32:24.960 --> 01:32:28.319
first one was, uh, who is gonna be the one

1586
01:32:28.800 --> 01:32:32.279
live at a festival and like the the guitar riff,

1587
01:32:32.319 --> 01:32:34.279
and like the the bass player and drummer in that

1588
01:32:34.319 --> 01:32:37.279
band are are phenomenal, Like we need to talk about

1589
01:32:37.319 --> 01:32:39.800
those guys. But she comes out and she's got like

1590
01:32:40.039 --> 01:32:42.119
something wrapped around her waist, like a skirt style, and

1591
01:32:42.119 --> 01:32:45.039
she's like hello everyone, and she's like doing the thing.

1592
01:32:45.079 --> 01:32:46.760
And I'm like, all right, well whatever, do your thing,

1593
01:32:47.039 --> 01:32:50.159
and she's just and I went like like when a

1594
01:32:50.199 --> 01:32:52.560
puppy you whistle at a puppy the first time and

1595
01:32:52.600 --> 01:32:59.319
they're like, right, they did this and then accepted I

1596
01:32:59.399 --> 01:33:03.319
accept you. Oh man, that is unreal. That is awesome.

1597
01:33:04.359 --> 01:33:08.560
Oh yeah, She's unbelievable, man, Like there's so many that

1598
01:33:08.600 --> 01:33:14.319
are unbelievable, Like these voices, you know, they're just like

1599
01:33:15.199 --> 01:33:19.960
they are the masters, Like like who thought they weren't

1600
01:33:20.159 --> 01:33:23.159
male enough to be metal because they're more metal than

1601
01:33:23.159 --> 01:33:26.560
most males in a lot of cases, I find, you know,

1602
01:33:26.960 --> 01:33:31.439
and just total badasses. My hat's off to every woman

1603
01:33:31.520 --> 01:33:36.680
that's in this industry because they are just the badasses,

1604
01:33:36.720 --> 01:33:39.199
and I think their passion is one of the reasons

1605
01:33:39.239 --> 01:33:44.439
why metal is as big as it is now. Okay, fair, fair, no,

1606
01:33:46.479 --> 01:33:50.399
oh my god like And I hate to say this,

1607
01:33:50.680 --> 01:33:55.039
but you know, I was side staged for one of

1608
01:33:55.079 --> 01:33:57.960
her shows and I didn't even give a shit that

1609
01:33:58.039 --> 01:34:00.359
you can't hear shit side sage. Everybody thinks it's cool

1610
01:34:00.359 --> 01:34:02.239
to be side stage. You don't hear shit. It's not

1611
01:34:02.359 --> 01:34:06.079
really that great, But it was this time because I

1612
01:34:06.239 --> 01:34:09.880
was looking at a big ginger pit and then I

1613
01:34:09.920 --> 01:34:13.359
was looking at her and I didn't care about anything

1614
01:34:13.359 --> 01:34:19.680
else like she was. They're just She's just I. You

1615
01:34:19.680 --> 01:34:22.920
gotta check this other one out. The band's not around anymore.

1616
01:34:23.079 --> 01:34:27.399
If you don't know this band, but I heard she

1617
01:34:27.560 --> 01:34:30.720
might start something new. It's been years now, so they

1618
01:34:30.800 --> 01:34:34.640
performed at US Festival. It was like their first time

1619
01:34:34.680 --> 01:34:38.159
at the US Festival. It was It was pretty funny

1620
01:34:38.239 --> 01:34:41.680
because you know, sometimes you do have to be careful.

1621
01:34:42.279 --> 01:34:44.399
You never know who you're talking to or whatever. And

1622
01:34:44.439 --> 01:34:47.119
I experienced that a lot in the media tent, like

1623
01:34:48.039 --> 01:34:49.840
you know, the bangarea.

1624
01:34:50.039 --> 01:34:50.920
No, I don't know this.

1625
01:34:51.680 --> 01:34:54.199
So they wear all these masks. They're on season of

1626
01:34:54.359 --> 01:34:57.399
Miss And I was talking to this woman and we

1627
01:34:57.399 --> 01:34:59.920
were just having this whole chat d da da da da,

1628
01:35:00.319 --> 01:35:04.239
and then she, uh, uh, that's not the band I

1629
01:35:04.279 --> 01:35:09.760
was talking about previously. But uh but uh she said, hey,

1630
01:35:09.800 --> 01:35:11.840
do you know where Pipeman is? I have an interview

1631
01:35:11.920 --> 01:35:15.199
with them. She's singer in a band. And I had

1632
01:35:15.239 --> 01:35:17.920
no clue, So like, good thing. I didn't say anything

1633
01:35:18.000 --> 01:35:22.840
fucking stupid, which I wouldn't, you know, but you know, uh,

1634
01:35:23.399 --> 01:35:25.840
you just never know who you're talking to sometimes when

1635
01:35:25.880 --> 01:35:28.840
you do stuff or say stuff or whatever. You know.

1636
01:35:29.520 --> 01:35:33.439
I did interviewed Gwar without their stuff on. You know,

1637
01:35:33.560 --> 01:35:35.920
I've literally said to them point I was at like

1638
01:35:35.960 --> 01:35:39.960
a dimebag that bash, you know. And and they were

1639
01:35:40.000 --> 01:35:43.079
out at the bar after I interviewed them, and uh,

1640
01:35:43.640 --> 01:35:45.720
and they didn't have their shit on it. I walked

1641
01:35:45.760 --> 01:35:49.560
up to Blowthor I was like, by way, good move

1642
01:35:49.600 --> 01:35:51.720
with the costumes. It's a lot better look for you.

1643
01:35:54.520 --> 01:36:00.239
But uh, you know, uh but uh so any way,

1644
01:36:00.279 --> 01:36:03.840
this span sent hers this really hot chicken. The media

1645
01:36:03.920 --> 01:36:09.039
tent and I started to hit on her, but not

1646
01:36:09.159 --> 01:36:11.039
like in a bad way. It was more of a

1647
01:36:11.079 --> 01:36:15.039
flirtatious way. She had this really killer tattoo on her arm,

1648
01:36:15.359 --> 01:36:18.039
and I said to her, I'm like, man, and I

1649
01:36:18.039 --> 01:36:20.439
don't have any tattoos. And I was like, man, that

1650
01:36:21.079 --> 01:36:23.600
tattoo is killer, and I don't normally walk up to

1651
01:36:23.640 --> 01:36:25.760
people and say that. And I was being real about it,

1652
01:36:25.800 --> 01:36:27.319
but I was hitting on her at the same time.

1653
01:36:27.800 --> 01:36:31.359
But it was really just a harmless you know. And

1654
01:36:31.439 --> 01:36:34.359
so then I'm standing up by the media table and

1655
01:36:34.399 --> 01:36:37.399
she walks up and she goes She asks the people

1656
01:36:37.439 --> 01:36:42.000
at the media table, where's Pipeman? So I raised my hand. Anyway,

1657
01:36:43.000 --> 01:36:47.119
we had an interview. But this girl the reason I

1658
01:36:47.159 --> 01:36:51.159
said it, the way that super betite, super hot we

1659
01:36:51.359 --> 01:36:55.800
came out of her vocals. You would never imagine in

1660
01:36:55.840 --> 01:37:01.359
a million fucking years. She was this petite, long and

1661
01:37:01.479 --> 01:37:04.840
she created a wall of death for the audience. That

1662
01:37:04.960 --> 01:37:07.960
is one of the most brutal ones I've ever seen.

1663
01:37:09.039 --> 01:37:11.640
And the name of the band was The Charm the Fury.

1664
01:37:12.000 --> 01:37:14.840
So if you've never heard of it, look look it

1665
01:37:14.960 --> 01:37:18.800
up and listen to her music and you'll see what

1666
01:37:18.880 --> 01:37:21.359
I'm talking about, and look at what she looks like,

1667
01:37:21.560 --> 01:37:23.359
and then listen to her music and you'll see what

1668
01:37:23.399 --> 01:37:25.079
I'm talking about when you hear what comes out of

1669
01:37:25.119 --> 01:37:25.560
her mouth.

1670
01:37:26.800 --> 01:37:31.800
Dude, crazy, I got one for you. Go ahead, because

1671
01:37:31.800 --> 01:37:36.239
you mentioned Courtney Uh, and she's in a band spirit Box.

1672
01:37:36.880 --> 01:37:39.840
Reallyox Spboxes, telling me that.

1673
01:37:40.039 --> 01:37:43.640
Spearboxes from my my area, like they're from Victoria, which

1674
01:37:43.680 --> 01:37:48.079
is on the island we call Vancouver Island. And Courtney

1675
01:37:48.239 --> 01:37:50.880
was late to the band, but spirit Box used to

1676
01:37:50.960 --> 01:37:53.119
have a different vocalist and went by the name I

1677
01:37:53.199 --> 01:37:54.319
Wrestle a Bear Once.

1678
01:37:55.279 --> 01:38:00.159
Oh my god, I interviewed a band called I Wrestle.

1679
01:38:04.479 --> 01:38:06.279
And I used to love this man because the way

1680
01:38:06.279 --> 01:38:08.680
they spelt their name was there was no spaces. I

1681
01:38:08.720 --> 01:38:13.399
Wrestled a Bear once. I just thought, this is this

1682
01:38:13.439 --> 01:38:15.600
is great. And then the tie into that is I

1683
01:38:15.640 --> 01:38:18.520
have an Alex Terrible Mask there who literally wrestles bears,

1684
01:38:18.520 --> 01:38:22.800
as we've seen. But that's because he's Russian, and who cares.

1685
01:38:23.359 --> 01:38:26.279
It's funny that you brought him up too. See it's

1686
01:38:26.279 --> 01:38:28.279
a whole time together because when I'm talking about one

1687
01:38:28.279 --> 01:38:30.600
of the most brutal walls of death, I was at

1688
01:38:30.640 --> 01:38:33.640
the one that is on the video for Sworry to

1689
01:38:33.680 --> 01:38:38.479
Prevail That was at Hellfest. That is like the most brutal,

1690
01:38:38.640 --> 01:38:40.720
biggest wall of death in history.

1691
01:38:41.199 --> 01:38:41.479
Wow.

1692
01:38:42.359 --> 01:38:46.760
But also it's funny you mentioned about him wrestling bears

1693
01:38:47.920 --> 01:38:52.880
because Welcome to Rockville this year had a pre party

1694
01:38:53.520 --> 01:38:57.039
that was different than any other. It was this event

1695
01:38:57.119 --> 01:38:59.359
called Blood for Blood. Did you hear about it?

1696
01:38:59.720 --> 01:39:02.439
No? So is this a bare knuckle thing?

1697
01:39:02.920 --> 01:39:10.920
Yes? Yes, so Alex uh his band played at that

1698
01:39:11.199 --> 01:39:16.119
in the beginning. He fought the headline fight and then

1699
01:39:16.159 --> 01:39:18.880
play it at the festival. And I'm like that, dude,

1700
01:39:19.000 --> 01:39:21.800
before it even happened, I'm like, what a fucking badass

1701
01:39:21.880 --> 01:39:25.520
to play and then have a bare knuckle fight and

1702
01:39:25.560 --> 01:39:31.199
then play you know, like that's badass. Now he's even

1703
01:39:31.279 --> 01:39:35.359
more of a badass because we're gonna tie the whole

1704
01:39:35.439 --> 01:39:39.239
Rocky thing together now. In his fight, he got knocked

1705
01:39:39.239 --> 01:39:42.159
down multiple times, but he got up real quick, just

1706
01:39:42.239 --> 01:39:45.079
like Rocky in one of the movies, like you know,

1707
01:39:45.159 --> 01:39:47.279
where he gets up real quick and runs around the ring.

1708
01:39:47.399 --> 01:39:51.640
He did the same thing. The last shot though, did

1709
01:39:51.720 --> 01:39:56.960
shatter him and he he got knocked down. He had

1710
01:39:57.000 --> 01:40:00.159
a real problem getting up like he got fucked up up.

1711
01:40:00.199 --> 01:40:03.199
I heard his nose got broken. He still performed at

1712
01:40:03.239 --> 01:40:06.800
the festival. Yeah, broken nose and still fucking singing like

1713
01:40:06.840 --> 01:40:07.560
a badass.

1714
01:40:08.159 --> 01:40:09.239
Yeah.

1715
01:40:09.279 --> 01:40:13.159
And he's such a nice guy too, Like people probably think, oh,

1716
01:40:13.239 --> 01:40:15.760
because he's rushing, he must be blah blah blah. And

1717
01:40:15.800 --> 01:40:18.960
I hate stereotypes like that, like just get to know people,

1718
01:40:19.439 --> 01:40:23.520
you know, And he is a really nice guy.

1719
01:40:23.960 --> 01:40:29.039
Have you seen the video of him? Uh, there's a

1720
01:40:27.439 --> 01:40:32.279
a series of disabled fans at a show that can't

1721
01:40:32.960 --> 01:40:36.039
that can't meet him because there's something that there wasn't

1722
01:40:36.079 --> 01:40:38.600
a meet and greet at the show or something, and

1723
01:40:38.760 --> 01:40:42.119
the show was, it was huge, but they're down in

1724
01:40:42.159 --> 01:40:45.239
their wheelchairs on the rams or whatever to watch the show.

1725
01:40:45.479 --> 01:40:48.159
And it's like it's a it's a big venue, like

1726
01:40:48.399 --> 01:40:50.520
it was nuts. But it's a scenario where the band

1727
01:40:50.560 --> 01:40:53.560
waiting area is is quite high up in another thing,

1728
01:40:53.800 --> 01:40:57.800
and he just like climbs down the thing to go

1729
01:40:57.840 --> 01:41:00.199
and take photos with him and talk to them and

1730
01:41:00.199 --> 01:41:02.319
and say hi to all of them. I'm like, that's

1731
01:41:02.359 --> 01:41:09.159
really cool of you. But then he climbs back up. Dude,

1732
01:41:09.199 --> 01:41:14.000
security get an elevator, Like wow, that's great. Just that

1733
01:41:14.079 --> 01:41:17.479
whole like, because when I met Dime that the Croatian

1734
01:41:17.520 --> 01:41:20.199
cultural center thing. The thing that first of all, the

1735
01:41:20.239 --> 01:41:24.000
thing nobody ever talks about about dimeback the characteristic is

1736
01:41:24.039 --> 01:41:28.800
how much his voice bellowed in an open area. It

1737
01:41:28.880 --> 01:41:32.319
was something like that's pure Texan, I think, but but uh.

1738
01:41:32.760 --> 01:41:35.119
I remember them coming out of the show. The bus

1739
01:41:35.239 --> 01:41:37.760
was right there and there had to be three hundred

1740
01:41:37.800 --> 01:41:41.640
people at the barricade waiting to meet him, and he

1741
01:41:42.039 --> 01:41:47.560
stopped at every mother fucking person, every single one, and

1742
01:41:47.600 --> 01:41:49.560
it was like, hey man, how you doing. Of course

1743
01:41:49.600 --> 01:41:51.840
you want a photo, of course, buddy, thanks for coming,

1744
01:41:51.920 --> 01:41:56.600
and literally, hey buddy, how you doing? Have tour managers

1745
01:41:56.680 --> 01:41:58.319
yelling at them that they're late, they got to get

1746
01:41:58.319 --> 01:42:00.920
on the road. And I remember this like, because they're

1747
01:42:00.960 --> 01:42:04.439
your role models, so you you epitomize what they do

1748
01:42:04.520 --> 01:42:06.760
and hopefully take the good parts into your own career.

1749
01:42:07.119 --> 01:42:09.359
And I remember him looking at the guy and saying,

1750
01:42:10.079 --> 01:42:13.840
Seattle is gonna be there tomorrow, but these.

1751
01:42:13.560 --> 01:42:16.199
People won't be nice.

1752
01:42:16.720 --> 01:42:18.600
And I remember that just hitting me, going like, if

1753
01:42:18.640 --> 01:42:22.439
I ever have this kind of an opportunity, every single

1754
01:42:22.520 --> 01:42:25.960
person means something and shout out to me.

1755
01:42:27.720 --> 01:42:30.199
You never know whose life you're going to touch and

1756
01:42:30.439 --> 01:42:31.119
change forever.

1757
01:42:31.279 --> 01:42:34.640
It's crazy, right, And I'm so grateful that was my

1758
01:42:34.760 --> 01:42:37.680
role model and not somebody that was egotistical or something like.

1759
01:42:37.680 --> 01:42:42.640
I'm so grateful that's who I somehow bonded to. It

1760
01:42:42.680 --> 01:42:44.159
was likely because of that kindness.

1761
01:42:44.319 --> 01:42:49.159
Likely, yeah, totally. And that's why you Without Mercy needs

1762
01:42:49.199 --> 01:42:52.960
to get on the Danny Wimmer festivals in the States, Okay,

1763
01:42:53.079 --> 01:42:54.600
because Rita is there all the time.

1764
01:42:55.039 --> 01:42:58.199
Oh my god, Rita, Rita.

1765
01:42:59.760 --> 01:43:04.479
So let's make that. Let's make that happen. Without Mercy

1766
01:43:04.960 --> 01:43:08.159
needs to be at Danny Wimmer festival pretty please.

1767
01:43:08.800 --> 01:43:10.880
She's going by dimebags Hag?

1768
01:43:11.039 --> 01:43:12.039
Is she she is?

1769
01:43:12.279 --> 01:43:15.159
Oh my god, it's so brutal.

1770
01:43:16.520 --> 01:43:19.840
And she's so loyal to Don She's so loyal to

1771
01:43:20.439 --> 01:43:22.880
Anybody that gives her hate is a bunch of fucking

1772
01:43:22.920 --> 01:43:28.239
assholes because she is so true and loyal. And you

1773
01:43:28.279 --> 01:43:30.760
know that's why she's dimebags Hag.

1774
01:43:32.560 --> 01:43:36.800
Good old Rita, good old Rita. Oh man, yeah, one day,

1775
01:43:36.920 --> 01:43:37.960
one day, pretty please.

1776
01:43:39.119 --> 01:43:42.840
Well, as soon as this EP blows up, so you know,

1777
01:43:42.960 --> 01:43:48.159
there you go. And uh, now I think I'll have

1778
01:43:48.239 --> 01:43:51.560
to check, but I think you might be the longest

1779
01:43:51.640 --> 01:43:54.039
music interview I've ever done.

1780
01:43:55.439 --> 01:43:57.439
An interview. I thought we were just hanging out, bro.

1781
01:43:57.520 --> 01:44:02.000
I know right, I know right, And so luckily I

1782
01:44:02.039 --> 01:44:05.279
didn't have anything else, hopefully you didn't have anything else,

1783
01:44:05.800 --> 01:44:09.720
and so we just shot the shit here and Blabermouth

1784
01:44:09.760 --> 01:44:11.560
will pick this up because there's a lot of the

1785
01:44:11.600 --> 01:44:15.560
controversial shit that we said during it, and I'm cool

1786
01:44:15.640 --> 01:44:17.720
with that. They can pick it up, loud War can

1787
01:44:17.800 --> 01:44:22.119
pick it up, whoever wants to pick it up. But

1788
01:44:23.520 --> 01:44:31.600
this has been an interview without Mercy. Tell everybody how

1789
01:44:31.600 --> 01:44:35.239
they can reach out to you. Connect on socials, buy

1790
01:44:35.279 --> 01:44:41.000
the EP, stream the EP, get merch and everything else,

1791
01:44:41.079 --> 01:44:45.600
because after all this time on this interview, if they

1792
01:44:45.800 --> 01:44:49.399
don't support your band, they can fuck off and stuff.

1793
01:44:49.439 --> 01:44:50.279
Listen to my show.

1794
01:44:51.920 --> 01:44:57.479
Holy wow, thanks man, this has been This has honestly

1795
01:44:57.520 --> 01:44:59.079
been one of the best things I've ever done. This

1796
01:44:59.199 --> 01:45:02.800
is great. Pretty please come find us on social media

1797
01:45:02.840 --> 01:45:06.159
handles is without Mercy Bands. That's your Instagram, your YouTube

1798
01:45:06.159 --> 01:45:08.520
and stuff. We're really trying to build our YouTube subscribers

1799
01:45:08.520 --> 01:45:11.399
and get monetized over there. Please please please, and of

1800
01:45:11.399 --> 01:45:14.439
course without mercyband dot com. Send a message to us

1801
01:45:14.439 --> 01:45:16.399
however you can, and we tend to say, hey, we

1802
01:45:16.560 --> 01:45:18.960
like to send free shit too, so you know, never know,

1803
01:45:19.119 --> 01:45:21.000
might get something in the mail. That's how this works.

1804
01:45:21.279 --> 01:45:23.720
There it is, there, it is. I love it, and uh,

1805
01:45:24.199 --> 01:45:27.960
you know, I have to say I have to thank

1806
01:45:28.159 --> 01:45:33.760
one person for making this all happen, making this interview happen,

1807
01:45:34.640 --> 01:45:37.399
making all that happen. And that's your wife.

1808
01:45:38.119 --> 01:45:42.199
Ah aw shout out to Janelle. Woo.

1809
01:45:42.760 --> 01:45:45.560
Yeah, fuck you. She's the one that's important.

1810
01:45:47.560 --> 01:45:50.560
She's She's also got the best social media handle. It's

1811
01:45:50.680 --> 01:45:52.600
mashed Potato Chaser.

1812
01:45:53.439 --> 01:45:55.720
Oh my god, that's so funny. Hold on, I'm gonna

1813
01:45:55.720 --> 01:45:57.560
have to look that up right now and follow.

1814
01:45:58.000 --> 01:46:01.319
Oh it's it's it's amazing, it's amazing. I'm like, like,

1815
01:46:01.319 --> 01:46:06.079
like you chase, like you chase with mashed potatoes. She's like, yeah,

1816
01:46:06.239 --> 01:46:09.119
or I chase after the best mashed potatoes in every town.

1817
01:46:09.600 --> 01:46:10.840
Okay, so give it to me.

1818
01:46:10.840 --> 01:46:13.359
Again, mashed potato Chaser.

1819
01:46:16.640 --> 01:46:21.000
Here it is mashed potato Chaser. There it is, I

1820
01:46:21.119 --> 01:46:25.079
have it. I like how even in her pick she

1821
01:46:25.159 --> 01:46:27.560
has the hat down, so you really don't see your

1822
01:46:27.640 --> 01:46:30.439
face in the profile pick. You see the hat. I

1823
01:46:30.439 --> 01:46:34.880
can't tell what it says. Yet I love it. Yeah,

1824
01:46:34.920 --> 01:46:37.439
I just I just hit it and zoomed in on it.

1825
01:46:38.000 --> 01:46:42.199
Oh yeah, that's great with a rainbow. I love that part.

1826
01:46:43.479 --> 01:46:48.359
That's fucking great. So when when some random dude just

1827
01:46:48.479 --> 01:46:54.680
followed her, you can tell her it is. Oh man,

1828
01:46:56.960 --> 01:47:00.520
So there it is. We had a lot of fun.

1829
01:47:00.239 --> 01:47:04.479
We'll have a lot more fun in the future. But

1830
01:47:05.199 --> 01:47:06.920
I don't even know how. I'm gonna have to do

1831
01:47:06.960 --> 01:47:10.279
a special edition of my show to play this this

1832
01:47:10.560 --> 01:47:15.560
episode because it's so long. Special edition.

1833
01:47:16.319 --> 01:47:18.239
It being too long is never a problem.

1834
01:47:18.560 --> 01:47:24.920
Yeah, yeah, somebody's gonna have to get bumped. You know.

1835
01:47:25.600 --> 01:47:27.359
I'm gonna have to reach back out to you too,

1836
01:47:27.399 --> 01:47:29.560
because I have this thing I'm working on. I'm thinking

1837
01:47:29.560 --> 01:47:34.479
of doing it starting in another station that is simply

1838
01:47:34.880 --> 01:47:40.039
podcasts for bands, that bands do their own podcast and

1839
01:47:40.079 --> 01:47:42.800
we handle all the hard work, you know, and all

1840
01:47:42.840 --> 01:47:44.920
the bullshit that you don't have time to do, don't

1841
01:47:44.960 --> 01:47:47.199
like to do, don't want to do, so you can

1842
01:47:47.279 --> 01:47:50.880
just show up and do what we just did. So

1843
01:47:50.880 --> 01:47:55.560
so yeah, well, when that comes to fruition, you might

1844
01:47:55.600 --> 01:47:59.279
be a good candidate for that with your band because

1845
01:47:59.840 --> 01:48:02.800
you can hold a conversation for almost two hours, like

1846
01:48:03.279 --> 01:48:07.159
that's not that's a talent. That's a talent. No dead air,

1847
01:48:07.600 --> 01:48:08.279
that's a talent.

1848
01:48:08.800 --> 01:48:11.279
And dude, it's felt like ten minutes with you. Man,

1849
01:48:11.319 --> 01:48:12.119
this has been fun.

1850
01:48:12.439 --> 01:48:14.800
That's the way interviews should be, like, and see, I

1851
01:48:14.960 --> 01:48:18.359
love hearing that shit because you're a musician. You know,

1852
01:48:18.399 --> 01:48:22.239
we're all artists. You're your own worst critic, and so

1853
01:48:22.439 --> 01:48:25.800
like I will get off in the airview and I'll

1854
01:48:25.840 --> 01:48:28.760
be like, fuck, I sucked, kind of like Phil said,

1855
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and then the band be like, man, that was the

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most fun airview I've ever had. Blah blah blah. I'm like, oh, okay,

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I guess so news to me.

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Great.

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Well, and your music's badass too, so like we wouldn't

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have had this interview if your music wasn't badass. So

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thank god she pushed you in the beginning and kept

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pushing you. Because I have a thing on my desk

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right here. I'm also a motivational speaker, so I like

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the things she said to you. I've shared stage with

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all the big motivational speakers. And one of my favorite

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lines comes out of one of my favorite books besides mine,

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because I do have a published book too. It's called

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who Said Life Doesn't Come with an owner's manual, because

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my grandmother always said life doesn't come with an owner's manuel.

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That pissed me off. Who said that? Okay, But anyway,

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this book, my favorite book in that realm, is called

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The Greatest Salesman in the World, and it's not even

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a sales book, but it's by an author by the

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name of og Mandino and he has and basically the

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01:49:34.479 --> 01:49:37.159
book's really cool, as the first half of the book

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is this fictional story and the book's only like a

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centimeter thick. It's not a big book. But the second

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half of the book takes you ten months to read

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if you follow the instructions, and it's basically these ancient

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scrolls and basically you have to read them three times

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a day, each scroll, three times a day for thirty days,

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and one time of those three times out loud. And

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it's basically designed to change your thought process, to create

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new habits, break old habits. And one of my favorite

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scrolls is the one called I Will Persist until I succeed,

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and basically it's I will persist until I succeed. I'm

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not shape a sheep waiting to be probed by my shepherd.

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I'm a lion, and I refuse to walk and talk

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with the sheep. The store house of failure is not

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my destiny. I will persist until I succeed. And it's

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01:50:33.119 --> 01:50:37.479
basically what your wife was telling you, is the giving up,

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01:50:37.600 --> 01:50:42.279
the quitting. You know, winners never quit and quitters never win.

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And so till your haters ask if you're hiring.

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There you go. I love that line too, and no

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01:50:50.239 --> 01:50:55.399
other line applies more to the music business. Then you're

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gonna get a lot of no's before you get the yes.

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And so you have survived the no's. This EP is out. Now,

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you survived COVID, You survived a lot of things through

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this career. This is not going to be a loss,

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but infant loss will be your win. Thanks buddy, Thanks

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for being on the Adventures of Pipe Man, Can't.

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Wait for every other time. Thank you for listening to

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the Adventures of pipemin im W for CUI Radio.