Aug. 2, 2026
Nevermore at Wacken The Unforgettable Unity and Passion of the Metal Community
The conversation focused on the experience and significance of performing at Wacken, one of the world's preeminent metal festivals. The discussion explored personal journeys into music, the spirit and community of the metal scene, the roles of festivals like Wacken and Bloodstock, and the therapeutic value of music for artists and fans alike. Several points were raised about the inclusivity, unity, and joy which define the culture, with personal stories and reflections highlighting the sense of belonging found within this global family.Main Topics Covered
- The significance and experience of performing at Wacken
- Personal musical journeys and influences
- The sense of community in the metal scene
- The positive, therapeutic impact of music on artists and fans
- The supportive, nonjudgmental environment at metal festivals
- Upcoming performances, including Bloodstock
- The role of family, friends, and band dynamics
- Reflections on audience support and gratitude
- One concept discussed was the feeling of performing on the "hallowed grounds" of Wacken, which was described as an "out-of-body experience" and a dream come true since the early teenage years 00:35, 01:18.
- The artists highlighted the exceptional treatment of performers and the reputation of Wacken as the "mecca of metal" 01:14.
- Several points were raised about early musical influences, including exposure to classic rock and metal bands such as Gary Moore, Pink Floyd, The Doors, Led Zeppelin, Deep Purple, and Metallica 02:20.
- A story was shared about seeing Metallica in 1998 and how it profoundly shaped a future in music 02:04.
- The discussion explored memories of early performances, including battles of the bands in high school and the first paid gigs, emphasizing the thrill and disbelief of making money doing what you love 03:33, 03:47.
- A key theme that emerged was the idea of music as a form of therapy and creative necessity, rather than a pursuit of fame 04:41.
- The metal scene was described as a supportive, family-like community where everyone belongs and is accepted, regardless of background 05:45.
- The healing power of music—both for performers and listeners—was a recurring theme, with music seen as the ultimate form of therapy 05:11.
- The conversation also addressed outside misconceptions about metal fans and performers, reiterating the kindness and normalcy found in the community 06:08.
- Notable stories included descriptions of mosh pits as safe, communal outlets for energy, where care and respect are prioritized, even among security staff 06:54, 13:23.
- Reflections on upcoming appearances—especially the excitement of playing Bloodstock for the first time, and the prospect of performing in front of UK-based friends and family 08:48.
- Several points were raised about the emotional resonance and legacy of festivals like Bloodstock, notable for honoring stories such as the Sophie Lancaster case and remaining family-oriented and non-commercial 14:25.
- The episode touched on the idea that festivals like Wacken could serve as models for world peace, bringing diverse people together in unity and mutual respect 11:30.
- The gratitude of artists for the unconditional support and acceptance from fans, especially when integrating new band members, was expressed 15:26.
- "Not just to be on the hallowed grounds of Wacken, but to be here with Nevermore. It's an out-of-body experience, my friend." 00:40
- "Being human is to create something. It doesn't matter how big or small it is, but you have to create something. You gotta get that out of your system." 04:53
- "The brotherhood, the sisterhood, the community – all of us coming together just to express ourselves." 05:45
- "The pit is the place to get everything out there." 06:50
- "Music and lifting weights is the only two things that keep me from being a serial killer." 07:39
- "Everyone here is a friend and a family member that you don't even know." 10:19
- "We are a do-or-die band. It's five of us, it's five against the world, and We have a world that we fit into, and this community..." 15:29
- "Just want to thank all the fans for accepting me... I want to thank all of the fans for this huge positivity. It's insane." 16:16
- "With you guys, I don't feel any of the shit that's going on in the world. I just feel a lot of love, and that's what it's all about." 16:46
- Wacken Open Air Festival: Official website
- Bloodstock Festival: Official website
- Nevermore (Band): [Socials/Info - no direct links given, suggested search]
- Tribute to Sophie Lancaster: Sophie Lancaster Foundation
- W4CY Radio: w4cy.com
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Hi, you then censure Wow for you young.
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This is the pipe Man here on the Adventures pipe
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Man W four C Y Radio and I'm here with
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Barson Nice from never More at Vakin. Oh Man, How
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does it feel to be on the holy ground?
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Absolutely unreal?
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It is absolutely unreal, not just to be on the
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hallowed grounds off Vakan, but to be here with never More.
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It's it's an out of body experience, my.
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Friend, right right, And I mean, like, we know that's
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all over the world, even in the States. We know
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that this is the place if you're if you're going
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to play a gig at a festival, you want to
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do it at Vakin. So what's your experience been so
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far since you've been here. I've been hearing that the
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artists are treated really well, which I think is important.
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The best so far, the best so far far, whole too.
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But like you said, this is the mecal metal right.
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So I was.
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Dreaming of this place since I was, like, I don't know,
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thirteen fourteen, since I started listening and performing metal.
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So this is this is mad.
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So what was the first show you ever went to
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at that point in life? Here Vakin? Was the first
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show you went no, I know, no, no, no. At thirteen.
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What was the first show you ever went to?
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I don't know, man, it might be Metllica have.
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Actually really yeah, nice, I went to their first show ever.
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Oh okay, So what year was that that you went
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to Metallica ninety eight? Ninety eight? Wow?
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Yeah?
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So is that what kind of changed your life to
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make music like your thing? Or was there something else
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that really in your life said this is what I
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need to do?
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Yeah?
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I mean thanks to my mother, I grew up like
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listening to Gary Moore, Pink Floyd, like the Doors, led
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Zeppelin and the Purple like amazing bends like that.
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So it already.
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Brought me into that line, right into that life. And
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so and after I heard Metallica's I think it was
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a low album or something.
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I said, what the fuck is this?
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Right?
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Yeah, that changed my algorithm, as the cure say these.
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I know, if we had algorithms back then, we might
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not have Metallica today because like some of their best songs,
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like Battery, they would never have waited long enough to
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listen to that song, right, or like Fast as a Shark.
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What an insane intro by the way, Battery, I know
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you just.
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Don't even expect what's about to come next, you.
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Know, and just it beats you with a two by four.
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That's right. So when's the first time you actually performed music?
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Oh it was I think fifteen. It was a high
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school like what do you call this high school band's battle?
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Okay, yeah, battle of the band.
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Battle of the bands? Yeah, exactly.
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But the first time I started earning money was when
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I was sixteen, when I was studying university in Ismir
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and I had a band there. It was the first
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time I ever got, you know, paid to scream my
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head off.
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What kind of feeling was that? Because I know you
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don't forget that feeling, right.
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See what I get paid doing this? Right? What it was,
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by the way, it was just like scraps and stuff.
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I mean still.
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Still it doesn't matter because I can see in your
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face too and your expressions that like you are a
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true artist, because true artists have passion for the music.
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Like what I found is real artists don't set out
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and say, oh, I want to be a rock star.
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They set out and I just want to play music.
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Yeah, I just want to do this one. This is my.
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Therapy, This is oh I love that I said that I.
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Believe that being human is to create something totally.
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You're not a.
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What defines to me as being humans to create It
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doesn't matter how big or small it is, but you
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have to create something good to get that out of
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your system. So this is mine and I can live
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without it.
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And you said therapy, because that's a big thing for me,
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because music's the best therapy there is for you the artists,
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and for me the listener. Yeah, And like I'm here
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at VAK in these past four days, I don't give
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a crap what's going on in the world. We're one
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big community family that you forget about all that and
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you can just get everything out here.
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If you checked out our show, that was exactly what
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I said on stage.
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Really what it's all about.
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And I was doing an interview, so I didn't even remember.
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What it's all about.
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The brotherhood, the sisterhood, the community, all of us coming
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together just to you know.
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And there's no outsiders here.
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Yeah, you know, And there's no judgment, there's no negativity.
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I don't think the people outside of metal really understand.
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They look at us and oh, these scary, the evil people.
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Exactly, they see us like boogey monsters, right right. I
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have a wife, I have a beautiful chat. I'm a
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handsome cat jack.
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My boy nice.
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My daughter would like that.
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Oh you're gonna see him. It's the prettiest thing ever.
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That's my life. I don't chill anybody. I don't skin anybody.
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I just.
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I mean, every once in a while I may cook.
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Someone on the grill.
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But that's just the people I hate.
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They're the ones that are in the marsh pit trying
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to hurt and name people. Those are the ones I
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want to hurt, because that's not what the pit's all about.
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The pit is the place to get everything out there.
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And the best pit is hearing voking, because you can
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see nobody touches or nobody like hits anybody. They were
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all just running around the circle, having fun, carrying each other.
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Even Did you see that? I didn't.
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But early in the day I went out.
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To waste tell you how beautiful it looks.
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I saw a Celtic band playing an evanescent song in
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Wasteland and there was a circle pit. It looked like
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the most fun circle pit ever.
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Yeah, I think it, you know.
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And that's what it's about. The pit to me, is
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the place I could get all my ship out that
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I don't kick somebody's ass outside in the outside world,
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then I'm chill dude.
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Music and lifting weights is the only things that keeps
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me from being a serial killer.
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There you go. Look that funny. You should say that
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because I just did Milwaukee Metal Fest a while back
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and I was interviewing chop Top with the Ambassador Help Hotel,
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the Dahmer Hotel behind me as the dock drop.
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What the fuck? Yes, that's amazing.
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And now next week I'm gonna make sure that I
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have your set and not an interview, because I've had
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like four interviews. I haven't even left that press step.
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But next week you're gonna be a bloodstock. And I
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love that festival too.
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I can't wait for that.
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Now, have you I don't even know. Have you guys
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played that before?
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I never did.
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Really, here you guys.
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Guys probably did. Probably this is never more. They played
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everything everywhere I remember it normal.
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It was too much fun, right, Yeah.
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But I'm so excited for it because I have a
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family and friends living in the UK, so I at
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the same time I get to you know, visit them
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and see them like in the crowd, which is some
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of them never seen me on stage, So it's gonna
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be amazing.
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Do you want to talk about Vodkin.
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If you want me to?
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Yeah, I didn't know if you want to, So.
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Well, it's not my first time here, so I've done
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it a few times and it just gets bigger and
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it gets better. I know some of the people behind
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the Vokin thing, and they're all great people, and they've
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brought this, They've built a whole community of what they
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They seen a dream, they seen their vision and it
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just falls into the line of work that we do.
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So being a part of this whole thing is one
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of the best things ever. Like our guitar player, Jack Katoy,
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he's fucking phenomenal guitar player and a second guitar player.
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Now his parents are here. They're from the States, and
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I'm like, yeah, it's gonna be the best thing you've
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ever seen. You're not gonna see fights, You're not going
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to see some dragging people out.
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You know, maybe you might see a guy pugin somewhere,
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but I don't.
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I haven't that happens, or pissing on the couch.
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That's gonna happen.
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But it's probably the coolest festival that you could be
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a part of. And the metal community once again is tremendous.
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And for a place like this to bring everyone together
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for this, I mean, this is what it's all about.
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Everyone here is a friend and a family member that
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you don't even know. You can just walk over and going, man,
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I love Overkilled. My guy's got no Overkill shirt. And
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you're bros already. The guy has seen a guy with
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a rush tattoo already, And I'm like, dad, I love
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that rush tattoo. Right, you know, I can sleep on
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his couch probably.
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Tomorrow, right right, totally say.
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And we all have a very special bond in this
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type of music and I'm just glad to be a
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part of that, very grateful to be back.
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And I think it's even bigger here in Voking because
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like for me, this is my first time at Vaking.
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I've done Hellfests every year, I do Bloodstock, download all
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the US festivals, and when first before I came here,
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you know, we know it's the holy ground. It's the
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biggest on I'm thinking it can't really be much bigger
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than Hellfest.
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Really, I haven't even fucking seen the whole thing.
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I haven't had time, right, I mean, it's like massive,
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right it is. But the thing is, like you said,
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I saw no issues. All these people, eighty thousand people,
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this massive thing, and everybody's just the nicest people in
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the world.
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Yeah.
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I actually have a solution to the world's problems before
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even coming here. But now I think this would be
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the venue we need to have at one festival, one
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metal festival, the whole world's required to attend, except the
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leaders securious told they're not allowed in, and we just
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get everybody into one big wall of death of mashpit,
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work it all out, and then we could hug each
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other afterwards, and the whole world could get along and
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stop being fucking divided.
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That's right.
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And like Burzon said too, you can separate the crowd
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like that and have a wall.
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You guys crush those guys.
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Those guys crush these guys, but they know that word
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crushed with that is like, it's still gonna be good if.
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So it falls, you pick them up.
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We're all over.
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You're together to do this.
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So everybody plays a part here, and everyone is playing
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on those rules, and that's the beautiful thing because everyone
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comes from that. It's not like it's forced in any way.
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Everyone just has the same love for something and that
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love is within this whole place. Eighty thousand people feel that,
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and security must love it too, because they don't really
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have a tough job exactly. And I see the way
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they gingerly hand people over the wall, you know what
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I mean.
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It's like, it's a beautiful thing.
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Man. Oh and I've seen the opposite as you have too. Yeah,
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So it's like it's really like, it's this feeling of
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such community, not just the audience, not just the bands, right,
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the fire department, the villagers, Yeah, everybody, everybody.
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Everybody's super cool, and that's it's one of the best
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things in the world to see that kind of humanity,
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knowing that outside of this kind of thing, there's crazy
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