March 3, 2026
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Hi, you have done to censure.
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Fore wow for you your.
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This is the pipe Man here on the Adventures of
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pipe Man on the Positively pipe Man segment of this
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show on W four CY Radio, W four cy dot
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com with our resident expert on pet health and human
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health too, you know, because in some ways it's one
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and the same. So let's give a welcome to pet
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health Guru. How are you?
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I'm doing fine? How are you doing today?
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I'm doing great? And you know, I love our subject
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today because it's give your dog a bone and humans.
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I have a bone to pick with, but I'm gladly
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giving my dogs a bone.
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Now.
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First I have a question off the bat and then
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we're going to talk about the benefits of raw bones.
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But I also.
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Remember being younger and yes, being taught raw bones are
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great for pets, but then that raw hide were not.
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So can you tell us your viewpoints on that.
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Well, the in veterinary medicine they basically don't like you
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feeding anything raw. So therefore we had to come up
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with an alternative because they put the scare tactics in there.
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You know, the bones will splinter if they you know,
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when the dogs chewed them. They're gonna rip up the
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and test it and you get a dead dog. So
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obviously the industry was also looking for a way to
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counter this, which is where raw hide came from. Now,
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first off, it's not raw, which is interesting in itself
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because it is a process product. And basically what I
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started into the market, it was a major portion of
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the market for something for them to chew on that's
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so called was safe, and basically it was basically rawhide
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was nothing more than collagen, the same ingredient that it's
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made from, which is the inside of a cow hide,
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what they call the split. The outside, of course goes
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for leather, clothing, all of that sort of stuff. The
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collagen part of it went to two industries. One was
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making these nice raw high bones and all kinds of
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fancy shapes that were supposedly a safe alternative that that
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wasn't used for rawhide was actually going to the plant
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next store that made gelatin, and so that was being
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used obviously in the food industry. Biggest use of gelatin
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back when I started in the business, already after I
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started in the business, but in the eighties and nineties,
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was they used it as a solidifier in TV dinner
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the hole together. So when it ended up, we actually
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ended up in this competitive place who's going to get
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the collagen to make bones or TV dinners. It was
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really really interesting back then.
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That explains a lot, by the way, because my mother
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gave me TV dinners all the time. Okay, I explained
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some of my problems.
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Okay, yes, well, and of course the raw hide process
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obviously you have to you have to clean the collagen,
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solidify it, make it into a shape, and then dry
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it out. Well, some of the chemicals that were used
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had questionable attributes, as did most processes, all processes with
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even today. However, the ABMA American Veterinary Association and other
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animal veterinary advocates said, oh that's dangerous, and somehow some
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of these chemicals got put cannot.
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Use in the United States.
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So what happened is they started shipping all the hides
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overseas where they didn't have any laws as to what
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could be used ven them, and unfortunately it turned it
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came down to a lot of toxic more toxic chemicals
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were being used. A little bit you know, obviously that
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got thrown up by the you know, the powers to
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be that this is a bad thing.
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It's going to poison your dog.
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And then the other part of that was they're going
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to swallow it and they're going to choke to death.
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And because it's going to swell up. When it got
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boys and it was America got so big too, we
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couldn't you know, chipping hides from the United States and
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frozen containers over there and then have processes.
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Shipped back was expensive.
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So then they decided to start using water buffalo hides
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and again process who knows how, and so that just
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got pushed and pushed and pushed to the point where,
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you know, it was terrible. I remember working with one
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of the processes of it in the United States that
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was making this stuff, and we used to sell, you know,
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especially for kennels or people who had a number of dogs,
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these bulk packs of raw hide bones and they were
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basically reduced price because they had discolorations and you know,
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maybe holes or things like that and where the hide was.
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And a friend of mine who was an island associated
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mind actually trying to figure out how to make these
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into a better product. One night, I guess a couple
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too many bourbons or something decided to put the raw
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high bones into a pan of bullion, beef bullion, which
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would color the bone. And that was where that's how
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the basted bones started. And then you basically took a
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second rate product, a second grade product, and took it
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into a premium price. Boy, I mean, it was a
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fascinating way it has happened. But you know, uh, that's
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that's entrepreneurial ship. You know, that's how we can actually
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take waste material and create a product that is really
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really super as far as the marketplace is concerned. Now
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on the other side, the raw bone stuff.
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Let's pause on the raw bone because I want to
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say one thing that it made me think of because
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I thought at the end of the game when you
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were talking about raw hides, not raw, I was gonna
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say then, and now you even confirmed it even more. Oh,
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then that's why it's the color it is because it
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looks like it's cooked. That's exactly what I like, not raw.
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Yeah.
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Well, of course today it's all a spray on, you know,
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and with a lot of different chemicals and flavors and
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palatins and that sort of thing. But it's still got
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the same bad name here in the United States. And
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you know, but was it a beneficial product.
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Yes. Part of the other.
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Issue with it is with with swallow the whole things.
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During the same period, because of the competition with the
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gelatine part of it, the price of it expanded greatly
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because now we got a competitive user of that that
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waste product. And what a bone that might have been
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an eight in ten inch bone might have been three
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dollars back then, and then it went to like eight
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or nine dollars. Okay, So part of the problem with
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swallowing it is people were going to spend eight or
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nine dollars on a bigger bone. They bought a smaller
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bone and when he gave it to that roddy and
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then we took the meat out of the pet.
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Food which they needed.
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So this raw hide was a piece of meat, so
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they were taken Instead of chewing on the bone, they
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would just swallow because they were meat deprived. I need
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that's a raw hide bone to them was a steak
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and they would just swallow it hole. And of course
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veterinarians also on that part that during that time period
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figured out if they did the next ray and they
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found they saw a raw hide bone in the gut,
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we have to operate. It was a cheap, easy way
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of making money, whereas if they actually did nothing, that
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raw high bone was completely digested in a.
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Day two Wow. Wow. You know.
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But when that, you know, because it was a big,
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big part of it, you know, you could see it
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in the next ray, you know, oh my, oh my god.
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It's going to be a blockage. And it never was.
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But like I said, it's funny.
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I know, same animals that we would do that they
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were doing surgery on and I used to track it
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back with my youth. But they would also find that
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those dogs that did that swallowing were what we would
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consider like a garbage gut dog. They would eat anything dry, walls, sticks, stones.
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We had one case said when they did it, the
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dog swallowed a TV remote.
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Wow. You know, that was interesting.
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You know, but that's kind of you know, panty host
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you know, socks underwear because there because the animal was
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then meat deprived with the artificial flavored foods, that anything
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that smells like animal, which of course anything that's against
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our body is going to pick up our body, odors,
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our body, you know, our sweat, our oils.
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Hey, that was fair game.
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And I actually had a customer committed to sword and
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to describe it, that the dog was like acting funny
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after going out for their walk, and he pooped, and
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she says, I picked up.
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The tail and I look, and there's little things sticking out.
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She says, I got gloves on and I grabbed onto
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it and slowly started pulling it out and pulling it
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out and pulling it out.
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It was a complete pair of pantyhose.
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Oh that was swallowed.
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Now if you imagine just spreading that up on a table,
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that's eight feet.
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Of nylon in that gut. Wow.
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I mean the wild tails that we had used to
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have and we still do. I mean with all the
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poison than that. But you know what they did is
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they tried to eliminate all you know, with any of
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the bones. They're trying to eliminate any chance of anything
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possibly happenings. And now here was the contrary thing too,
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is when you went to the veterinarian nieces no no, no, no, no,
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on the raw high bones. But we have vet shoes
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over here that we've taken the raw hide chips and
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treated them with chemicals, disinfectants for your dog to eat. Hmm. Yeah,
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you know, I guess if it's sold by a veterinarian.
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That doesn't matter that they put poison on it or not,
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because now they got a new customer for poisoning.
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Yeah. Well, and you know what I think of dogs
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in the wild and when they eat bones in the
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wild and not die.
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Yeah, absolutely, And it's you know, it's funny too because
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of the size of the bone and the type of bone.
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That's sort of thing.
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On small animals, you know, when they get a kill
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of a rabbit or squirrel something of that nature. A bird,
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it's just crunch, crunch, crunch, they eat the whole thing.
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Now on the big animals, they will basically chew on
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the bones because the bones are much harder. They'll chew
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on the bones to get the marrow out and for
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all the cartilage, and then they literally do bury their
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bones and they'll go back to six months later, a
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year later and dig them back up when food is scarce.
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And of course during that process, bacteria, funguses, bowls, bugs.
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Have broken down that bone.
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Now that there's soft enough that they could actually chew
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it up and actually get nutrition out of it. Basically,
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when you stop and thinking about it, that's rotting. That's rotten.
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Already rotted food yeah, and they're perfectly fine with it.
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We're worried about and we're worried about the deadly salmonilla
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bugs that are probably in creeping around.
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It's terrible, I know.
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So what kind of raw bones would you recommend to
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peep ball? Can they get those raw bones through you?
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And if so, tell them how they would do that
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and how they would of course, you know, reach out
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to you for more information, more questions. Check out your
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podcast all that stuff exactly.
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My palot pet actually by a complete produces a complete
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line of bones.
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We look at the size of the animal, the even
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the age of the animal.
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One of the warnings that we all always get is,
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you know, well they might be able to break a
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tooth on the on the bone because it's hard. Well,
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if your dog breaks a tooth eating a bone, it
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means it's already calcium deficient. Ye whole calcium something, you know,
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the whole uh matrix of calcium.
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Uh, so your dog actually needs it. But you know, smaller.
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density of the bone has to do with the age
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of the animal. We slaughter sheep, we slaughter goats, we
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slaughter pork at a very young age. Chicken even the
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same way. Those bones are gonna be very very soft
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and pliable. They can eat them right up. Heavy beef bones,
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those you know, beef we we slaughter at two years
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of age. So those bones are very very dense. That's
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why we don't use them a lot. It's those are
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views mostly for recreational it's something that they get non
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