Give your dog a bone!

0:04 Hi, you have done to censure. Fore wow for you your. This is the pipe Man here on the Adventures of pipe Man on the Positively pipe Man segment of this show on W four CY Radio, W four cy dot com with our resident expert on pet health and human health too, you know, because in some ways it's one and the same. So let's give a welcome to pet health Guru. How are you? I'm doing fine? How are you doing today?

0:44 I'm doing great? And you know, I love our subject today because it's give your dog a bone and humans. I have a bone to pick with, but I'm gladly giving my dogs a bone. Now. First I have a question off the bat and then we're going to talk about the benefits of raw bones. But I also. Remember being younger and yes, being taught raw bones are great for pets, but then that raw hide were not. So can you tell us your viewpoints on that. Well, the in veterinary medicine they basically don't like you feeding anything raw. So therefore we had to come up with an alternative because they put the scare tactics in there.

1:33 You know, the bones will splinter if they you know, when the dogs chewed them. They're gonna rip up the and test it and you get a dead dog. So obviously the industry was also looking for a way to counter this, which is where raw hide came from. Now, first off, it's not raw, which is interesting in itself because it is a process product. And basically what I started into the market, it was a major portion of the market for something for them to chew on that's so called was safe, and basically it was basically rawhide was nothing more than collagen, the same ingredient that it's made from, which is the inside of a cow hide, what they call the split. The outside, of course goes for leather, clothing, all of that sort of stuff. The collagen part of it went to two industries. One was making these nice raw high bones and all kinds of fancy shapes that were supposedly a safe alternative that that wasn't used for rawhide was actually going to the plant next store that made gelatin, and so that was being used obviously in the food industry. Biggest use of gelatin back when I started in the business, already after I started in the business, but in the eighties and nineties, was they used it as a solidifier in TV dinner the hole together. So when it ended up, we actually

3:03 ended up in this competitive place who's going to get the collagen to make bones or TV dinners. It was really really interesting back then. That explains a lot, by the way, because my mother gave me TV dinners all the time. Okay, I explained some of my problems. Okay, yes, well, and of course the raw hide process obviously you have to you have to clean the collagen, solidify it, make it into a shape, and then dry it out. Well, some of the chemicals that were used had questionable attributes, as did most processes, all processes with even today. However, the ABMA American Veterinary Association and other animal veterinary advocates said, oh that's dangerous, and somehow some of these chemicals got put cannot.

4:01 Use in the United States. So what happened is they started shipping all the hides overseas where they didn't have any laws as to what could be used ven them, and unfortunately it turned it came down to a lot of toxic more toxic chemicals were being used. A little bit you know, obviously that got thrown up by the you know, the powers to be that this is a bad thing. It's going to poison your dog. And then the other part of that was they're going to swallow it and they're going to choke to death. And because it's going to swell up. When it got boys and it was America got so big too, we couldn't you know, chipping hides from the United States and frozen containers over there and then have processes.

4:44 Shipped back was expensive. So then they decided to start using water buffalo hides and again process who knows how, and so that just got pushed and pushed and pushed to the point where, you know, it was terrible. I remember working with one of the processes of it in the United States that was making this stuff, and we used to sell, you know, especially for kennels or people who had a number of dogs, these bulk packs of raw hide bones and they were basically reduced price because they had discolorations and you know, maybe holes or things like that and where the hide was.

5:25 And a friend of mine who was an island associated mind actually trying to figure out how to make these into a better product. One night, I guess a couple too many bourbons or something decided to put the raw high bones into a pan of bullion, beef bullion, which would color the bone. And that was where that's how the basted bones started. And then you basically took a second rate product, a second grade product, and took it into a premium price. Boy, I mean, it was a fascinating way it has happened. But you know, uh, that's that's entrepreneurial ship. You know, that's how we can actually take waste material and create a product that is really really super as far as the marketplace is concerned. Now on the other side, the raw bone stuff.

6:20 Let's pause on the raw bone because I want to say one thing that it made me think of because I thought at the end of the game when you were talking about raw hides, not raw, I was gonna say then, and now you even confirmed it even more. Oh, then that's why it's the color it is because it looks like it's cooked. That's exactly what I like, not raw. Yeah. Well, of course today it's all a spray on, you know, and with a lot of different chemicals and flavors and palatins and that sort of thing. But it's still got the same bad name here in the United States. And you know, but was it a beneficial product. Yes. Part of the other. Issue with it is with with swallow the whole things.

7:01 During the same period, because of the competition with the gelatine part of it, the price of it expanded greatly because now we got a competitive user of that that waste product. And what a bone that might have been an eight in ten inch bone might have been three dollars back then, and then it went to like eight or nine dollars. Okay, So part of the problem with swallowing it is people were going to spend eight or nine dollars on a bigger bone. They bought a smaller bone and when he gave it to that roddy and then we took the meat out of the pet. Food which they needed. So this raw hide was a piece of meat, so they were taken Instead of chewing on the bone, they would just swallow because they were meat deprived. I need that's a raw hide bone to them was a steak and they would just swallow it hole. And of course veterinarians also on that part that during that time period figured out if they did the next ray and they found they saw a raw hide bone in the gut, we have to operate. It was a cheap, easy way of making money, whereas if they actually did nothing, that raw high bone was completely digested in a.

8:10 Day two Wow. Wow. You know. But when that, you know, because it was a big, big part of it, you know, you could see it in the next ray, you know, oh my, oh my god. It's going to be a blockage. And it never was. But like I said, it's funny. I know, same animals that we would do that they were doing surgery on and I used to track it back with my youth. But they would also find that those dogs that did that swallowing were what we would consider like a garbage gut dog. They would eat anything dry, walls, sticks, stones. We had one case said when they did it, the dog swallowed a TV remote. Wow. You know, that was interesting.

8:52 You know, but that's kind of you know, panty host you know, socks underwear because there because the animal was then meat deprived with the artificial flavored foods, that anything that smells like animal, which of course anything that's against our body is going to pick up our body, odors, our body, you know, our sweat, our oils. Hey, that was fair game. And I actually had a customer committed to sword and to describe it, that the dog was like acting funny after going out for their walk, and he pooped, and she says, I picked up. The tail and I look, and there's little things sticking out. She says, I got gloves on and I grabbed onto it and slowly started pulling it out and pulling it out and pulling it out.

9:37 It was a complete pair of pantyhose. Oh that was swallowed. Now if you imagine just spreading that up on a table, that's eight feet. Of nylon in that gut. Wow. I mean the wild tails that we had used to have and we still do. I mean with all the poison than that. But you know what they did is they tried to eliminate all you know, with any of the bones. They're trying to eliminate any chance of anything possibly happenings. And now here was the contrary thing too, is when you went to the veterinarian nieces no no, no, no, no, on the raw high bones. But we have vet shoes over here that we've taken the raw hide chips and treated them with chemicals, disinfectants for your dog to eat. Hmm. Yeah, you know, I guess if it's sold by a veterinarian.

10:34 That doesn't matter that they put poison on it or not, because now they got a new customer for poisoning. Yeah. Well, and you know what I think of dogs in the wild and when they eat bones in the wild and not die. Yeah, absolutely, And it's you know, it's funny too because of the size of the bone and the type of bone. That's sort of thing. On small animals, you know, when they get a kill of a rabbit or squirrel something of that nature. A bird, it's just crunch, crunch, crunch, they eat the whole thing. Now on the big animals, they will basically chew on the bones because the bones are much harder. They'll chew on the bones to get the marrow out and for all the cartilage, and then they literally do bury their bones and they'll go back to six months later, a year later and dig them back up when food is scarce.

11:25 And of course during that process, bacteria, funguses, bowls, bugs. Have broken down that bone. Now that there's soft enough that they could actually chew it up and actually get nutrition out of it. Basically, when you stop and thinking about it, that's rotting. That's rotten. Already rotted food yeah, and they're perfectly fine with it. We're worried about and we're worried about the deadly salmonilla bugs that are probably in creeping around. It's terrible, I know. So what kind of raw bones would you recommend to peep ball? Can they get those raw bones through you? And if so, tell them how they would do that and how they would of course, you know, reach out to you for more information, more questions. Check out your podcast all that stuff exactly.

12:15 My palot pet actually by a complete produces a complete line of bones. We look at the size of the animal, the even the age of the animal. One of the warnings that we all always get is, you know, well they might be able to break a tooth on the on the bone because it's hard. Well, if your dog breaks a tooth eating a bone, it means it's already calcium deficient. Ye whole calcium something, you know, the whole uh matrix of calcium. Uh, so your dog actually needs it. But you know, smaller. Dogs, younger dogs, pork bones, lamb bones, and actually the density of the bone has to do with the age of the animal. We slaughter sheep, we slaughter goats, we slaughter pork at a very young age. Chicken even the same way. Those bones are gonna be very very soft and pliable. They can eat them right up. Heavy beef bones, those you know, beef we we slaughter at two years of age. So those bones are very very dense. That's why we don't use them a lot. It's those are views mostly for recreational it's something that they get non push you know, they're using antlers and everything else now as well. But we do produce a whole line of good quality. And again it's got to be you know, we will look at us d a inspected animals, you know, so it's actually meat that we could actually process in another form to get used.

13:38 The bones and that's bone broth. We can you know, which is the one the one medicine that our great grandmothers use the kid to sure every disease known the mankind. Eat your chicken soup, Jewish selling. That's right exactly. So we do have a full range of that. We do talk of it on the Pet Health Cafe on my show, my podcast, which is live every Thursday night at eight o'clock here on. These stations and Eastern time, Eastern time. Yes, of course, the replays of it twenty four to seven YouTube, Spotify, all over the place. If you're traveling, you can actually go back decades in some of the old podcasts that we're on. They're on iHeartRadio, so you end up how many other stations like one hundred other over one.

14:36 And fifty podcasts outlet something. Yeah, So we're all over the place, so you have plenty of areas to look at that go on to the website at the Pet Health Cafe one as well as my Paleo pet dot com. When you want to order them, call in the store and we have a home for you, I mean, and at the store you can even go to the point of picking out out with those states and our farm and a table menu that's there you can pick up you know, your fresh at all that stuff is there and purbols of course too when it upset. You know, if you do get an upset stomach, we have purbles and botanicals that will help out with the stomach, so we can take care of it, you know, and of course the advice that goes along with it. We've got a great crew over there that can help you out with your selection and of course I'm available for consultations if you.

15:28 Need that as well well, and they definitely should consult with you Pet Health Guru because you're a wealth of knowledge. I've known you for many years and you took care of my pet for years without me even having to go see you at all. And uh, that's what we want to create for other people. So everybody make to make sure to check out the Pet Health Guru and check out the podcast, but also check out my paleopet dot com. Uh, stay tuned. We're going to be doing some festival ticket giveaways and then we are going to have our powerful business strategy segment with our resident expert, Michael Barbarita. So stay with us and we will be right back.

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