March 19, 2026

Hell’s Heroes Unleashed Cirith Ungol’s Robert Garven on 55 Years of True Metal

Hell’s Heroes Unleashed Cirith Ungol’s Robert Garven on 55 Years of True Metal
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Step into the pit with The Pipeman on W4CY Radio as he sits down with legendary drummer Robert Garven of Cirith Ungol live from Hell’s Heroes Festival. In this conversation, the two dive deep into the roots of metal from the raw energy of the early ’70s and the birth of doom to the revival that’s kept it burning for over five decades.

Garven and Pipeman recount stories from the Sunset Strip days, Cirith Ungol’s rebirth at Frost and Fire, and what it means to be called the forefathers of doom metal. They talk Ozzy Osbourne, Accept, Blue Cheer, and Brian Slagel, plus what makes the metal community a global family built on passion, not pretension.

Whether you’re an old-school metalhead or new to the scene, this episode reminds you that metal is loud, honest, and eternal.

Featured topics: Sirith Ungol’s legacy, the evolution of metal festivals, Hell’s Heroes highlights, and the unbreakable bond of the metal community.

Listen now and remember: True metal never dies

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Hi, you live then too, censure w for see why

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were you young?

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This is the pipe Man here on the Adventures pipe

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Man W four c Y Radio, and we're here at

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the Hell's Heroes Festival, which last night at the pre

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party there was a badass headliner for the pre party

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that killed it. And the drummer is here with me,

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So tell us who I got here.

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This is Robert Gorvin, the drummer of Siris ngul Nice.

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I love it.

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You know.

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When I saw the lineup for this, I was like, man,

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I gotta do that festival, because this is the first

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year I've done this festival. Like I do all the

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DWP festivals. I do all the punk festivals, hell Fest, Bloodstock,

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Download grasp Pop, but I never did this one. And

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I saw the lineup, I'm like, holy shit, that's like

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going back in time for me. I mean, I bought

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your first album in nineteen eighty one. You know WHOA

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and you know who I can credit that to. I

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was saying this to Warlord yesterday. He used to go

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to this record store in the valley called OZ Records,

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and there was this record clerk there and we used

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to go in and say, hey, check this out and

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we always bought albums.

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He told us to.

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Buy there it is, there it is. I was like,

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it's funny. I was saying this yesterday too. A few

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years ago. I saw him, uh somewhere. I'm like, hey,

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what's up, dude. I'm like, you know, that was I

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was thinking about. That was such a brilliant marketing move

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back then. He goes, eh, I wasn't doing it, margating.

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That was just a record store clerk starting my label,

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you know, but it was brilliant because I think without

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guys like him and Johnny's Zula, we might not be

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seen here right now today. You know, it does amaze

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me that I now go to festivals, I'll have like

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one hundred thousand metal heads like cause back then there

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was a small group of us, and then there was

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a small group of punkers, and we didn't get along

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with each.

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Other either, which I thought was stupid.

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You know.

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Uh, but man, you guys were tight last night. I

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just have to say that. I don't know, after what

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has it been like fifty five years, how you guys

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still do it well.

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I love heavy metal, I love playing heavy metal. I

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love working on writing new heavy metal songs, and so

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you know. I mean, this is an amazing festival. This

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was our fourth time here and I think I headlined

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it at least once or twice. And we played outside

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on the big stage last time. But when we first

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played here, they weren't doing the outdoor stage. It was

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just indoors where we played last night. And I just

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a promoter. Everyone involved with it, you know, the whole

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festival is just amazing.

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Why I've known it's already Okay, that's a lot of

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festivals is it's old school. It's run like it should

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be for a metal festival. It's not some big commercial

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money grab. It's for the fans.

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Well, this is the eighth edition, and I think you know,

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when someone puts on a festival like this, you know

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any issues they have, you know, if they are successful

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and they keep putting on festivals, every time gets better

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and better, and the acts, you know, I'm amazed every

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year that actual LYEP getting bigger and bigger. Like like

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I said, we headlined this place before, but after a while,

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you know, you know we're going to open for Judas Priest.

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I'm not going to headline over them, you know what, I'm.

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Right, and you know what I like about bands like

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you and bands from that era is you could always

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tell the band just by listening to them for a

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couple seconds. I find nowadays a lot of these new

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metal bands they like, use this, they call it an

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algebraic equation to make their metal music, Whereas back then

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you're just experimenting and finding these new sounds. And like,

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if I hear one of your songs, it takes me

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a literally two seconds to no, it's your song, post it,

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try and figure out who's that, and like the voice

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is so distinctive that how could you not. It's like

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even the Big four thrash they don't sound the same,

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you know. And nowadays, when you have the all these

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micro genres and sub genre, it's like they put it

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so finite that the things that the adults were saying, well,

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I was good, Oh all that stuff sounds the same.

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I feel like I'm saying that now. But for those bands,

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it's wild right.

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Well, the band started in nineteen seventy one, and me

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and Greg and Jerry, the original members, we were like

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in junior high school and we were assigned to read

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The Lord of the Rings by Jared Tolkien, and you know,

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back then, you know The joke is, you know, everyone

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knows Lord of the Rings, They've seen the movies and stuff.

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This was when, you know, I came home and tell

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my parents, you know, I have to read this book,

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The Lord of the Rings.

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They go, what is that? You know, no one's even

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heard of it.

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Plus you're a thirteen year old kid and a teacher

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hands you here's a seven hundred page book you got

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to read, you know, and you're going seven hundred pages

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it's like Warren Peace, right, And then they go, well,

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there's two more books the same length. You know you

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have to finish. But I think it made an impression

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on us. I think one of the weird things is

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a lot of people go, you know what your name's

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from the Lord of the Rings, and you know all

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your album covers feature l Rik, who is off a

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series of books by the English author Michael Moorcock.

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Right, you know, how come you don't write all the

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stuff about that.

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And there's other bands, really good friends with some other

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bands that you know, you know that you know that

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they dealt deeper into that. And I think earlier in

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our career we did more like half of our music

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was sword and sorcery and half was kind of like

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what you consider proto.

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Doom metal, right, But you know, I don't know.

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I me and Tim always say, you know, it's like,

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even though those were major influences on the band when

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we first started, you know, they don't define us. You know,

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that's not what you know, what defines us as the

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music and as a world deteriorates, whether it's environment, politically,

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whatever around the world. You know, our music has got

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gloomier and doomier. But one of the first songs we

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ever put out was Death of the Sun and I

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wrote the lyrics for that, and it was about the

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sun dying and all of us getting melted and stuff.

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So you know, we're we're not actually stretching to play

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doom metal. You know, that's kind of our original Someone

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told Tim once in an interview.

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They go, you're the grandfathers.

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Of doom metal, And I don't know if that's we

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might be the great grandfather right.

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And you know what I find too about the old

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school bands like you compared to the bands today is

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what the influences were. Like You're sitting here wearing a

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blue cheer shirt, which you know maybe get back in

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their time, they would be considered heavy metal, you know,

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but not by today's standards.

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For sure, by my standards, there still are me too.

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This is their best album to.

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Yeah, so to me they are. I even argue that

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Cream is metal and that, you know, Jimmy Hendrix exactly

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Mountains like to me, Mississippi Queen is like one of

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the original I even argue that Helter Skelter is a

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metal song.

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Well, you're right, and Mountain actually is one of my

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favorite bands. And it's a first band I ever saw

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live nice and I think the first time I ever

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smoked pot. My neighbor lady, she took me to a

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Mountain concert, you know, and we smoke some pots. And

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that's when you'd smoke pot. You didn't even get stoned,

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you know, It's just kind of like you were being cool.

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But it was one of the best experiences of my life.

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And I'll tell you Mountain. Yeah, I've seen like a

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lot of bands over the years and Krki Lang on drums,

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Leslie West on guitar. Matter of fact, I recently did

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an interview with someone. They said it was in South

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America and they go, pick one of your favorite songs

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of all time, and I picked don't look.

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Around by Mountain.

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You know, Leslie West, I remember him playing lead, you know,

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he just make the guitar like singing, you know.

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Yeah, and then Felix Papolardi.

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You know, it's funny they always had an argonist, but

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sometimes even in pictures of the band or on the album,

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they didn't even mention him or he's not even in

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the picture. And yet he was like a full member

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of the band. And what's so horrible about that? His

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name actually escaped me right now, But I mean, I

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don't know. I guess he was treated like most drummers

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are in bands, kind of second class citizens.

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Yeah, yeah, you know, And it's funny because I think

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the drums are what make metal, like guitars do too,

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and voice does too. But like I think of when

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Lombardo started doing double bass, you know, that was the

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start of thrash metal, where like we have udo playing.

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So funny because.

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I have an actual story about this. But you know,

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when Fast as a Shark came out, bands like Anthrax, Slayer, Metallica, Megadeth,

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who I was all friends with at the time, they

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consider that the first thrash metal song ever, and it

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is pretty funny. So you know, we lost Ozzie recently,

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and I have an Aussie story that has to do

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with except So I lived in Agura, California, Lakelendero and

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used to I was just talking about this the other day.

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We're interviewing more and basically I had this, you know,

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a hill that went down to a lake. I told

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my dad I was sleeping over my bro's house. My

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bro said and to his parents, say, he was sleeping

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over my house. And it was New Year's Eve and

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we went to see Ozzy with Randy Rhoades, like a

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few months before he passed. We get home and we're

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sitting at the Boma Lake so my dad couldn't see me,

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and we're just waiting until morning so we could show up, like, oh,

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here we are. And my next door neighbor comes out,

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a woman, and she sees us in all the Ozzy

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stuff and she goes, oh, hey, did you boys go

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to the Ozzy concert last night? And we're like, oh, fuck,

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we're busted, and she goes, stay right there. I want

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you to I want my husband to come out. This

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is my next door neighbor. We're like, we didn't know

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what to do. Runners stay there. So we stayed, he

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came out, invited us up to a house and he

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had a studio in his house. It was wall to

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wall cassette tapes and he starts giving us all this

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Ozzy swag. Turned out was Ozzie's promoter, Like who the

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fuck knew? But the best thing was he hands me

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this cassette tape. He says, this band is not in

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America yet, they're going to be huge in like six months.

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Check it out. And that was accept and heard that

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first song fast as a Shark. I was like, oh

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my god, now that song may not survive today with

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the track track track mentality. They wouldn't give it the

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ten seconds it would take to get into the song,

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the go what's this shit? And go to the next track.

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And I think that's also a big difference of music

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than a posted today. It was almost like you went

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on a journey.

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Well it is a journey, right, The biggest compliment we

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ever had. Okay, so the band we started in seventy one.

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You know, we had our first three albums out, Frost

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and Fire, King of the Dead, One Foot in Hell,

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and we're working on Paradise Laws and right about that time,

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you know, the thrash metal bands were coming on and stuff,

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and we we actually, you know, to us, that wasn't

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our thing. And I'll tell you why it is, because

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you know, we considered that kind of like a hybrid

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like heavy metal and punk, you know, because we lived

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we you know, we lived through the whole punk.

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Thing, and we all loved it.

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I saw the Dead Boys, you know, you said the

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first thrash song and thinking, in my head that's actually

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search and destroyed by Iggy or something, you know, And

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maybe I'm wrong, but we saw that.

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You know, it's kind of like not threatening us.

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It just is like it wasn't what we kind of

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we grew up on all the traditional heavy metal like

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the Blue Cheer. You know, people used to joke about

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us and stuff and say we're dinosaur rock, you know,

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but we've always stayed true to what we originally started at.

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And so the band broke up in ninety one and

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the hair metal thing was happening too, and we were just,

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you know, we.

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Were horrified by that. I mean, I got to be

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honest too.

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The one hair metal band I like was Winger, and

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I think their music was so good. It's like, you know,

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the hair thing was secondary. But anyway, so when that

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Paradise loss came out, you know, we're kind of like,

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we lost a couple of members and we're like, you know, hey,

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this is you know, there's no future for what we

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want to do or what we're doing, and so, you know,

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we kind of hung up our hat. But then in

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twenty fifteen, Jarvis Leatherby, you know, our manager, bass player,

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and he's you know, the founder and the bass player

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for a Night Demon. You know, he manages a bunch

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of other bands. He contacted me and said, you guys

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should get your band back together. I go, there's no

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way is that going to happen, you know, and then

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he goes, well, I'm putting on a festival here in

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our hometown of Ventura, and he goes, I want you

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to come.

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Check it out.

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And he goes, after the show, we'll do a signing

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session and you know, fans may bring their albums, and

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you know, we're just blown away. We went and saw

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the bands and you know, we went to the signing session.

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We didn't know what to expect, and there was like

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people are in line, you know, with all our albums

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are signing it. You know, I'm saying you should get

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back together, and a gentleman from Germany, Oliver, who puts

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on a Keep It True festival, said, you know, if

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you guys get back together, you guys can headline our

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show next year. And then Jarvis goes, you know, I'll

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do better than that. I go, you guys get back together,

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you guys can headline my second Frost and Fire in

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your hometown.

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Right. And so, you know, we're talking.

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About it, especially me and Tim because we're kind of

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like the you know, his vocals are so strange and

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my drummings so strange. That's what kind of I don't

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say that's what defines the band, but when you say

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you know instantly who it is, it's like, you know, uh,

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sometimes other drummers are insulted even sit in the same

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room with me because they think I'm you know, my

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style is so uh, you know, unorthodox. But anyway, we're

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talking about it, and we say, okay, well let's do

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let's do one or two of these shows.

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Have some fun.

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And as we started playing, you know, it's like a

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snowball rolling downhill. We started you know, getting excited about it,

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you know, and I consider myself, you know, a heavy

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metal musician.

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Right.

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So as soon as I started playing again, you know,

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let's write some material, let's write some music, right. So

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I'm bugging all the guys in the band. So we

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started making music. We put out a single Witch's Game,

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and people are like, oh my god, I can't believe

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you know, these guys are still they can still do it,

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or they sound someone said they sound just like Serahungle

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And my joke was if the Beatles got back together

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and they had a single, they'd go, wow, they sound

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like the Beatles. But the biggest compliment was when we

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had our first full length album, Forever Black. One guy

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Rod he goes, this album sounds like it was written

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in the nineteen eighties.

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There you go.

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I don't know.

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I think the music was better than except for Dehairmental.

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So it is funny too because I went to shows

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in laf Slayer Metallica left LA because they couldn't play

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with I saw a striper open first Slayer like because

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that's what was going on, and I used to be backstage.

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So I was friends with a bunch of bands, and

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he used to watch what the record labels did to

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these bands, specifically to hairmel I'm like, that's why I

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left music, basically, like the scene never left music, just

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the scene. And I was like, yeah, fuck this, Mike,

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I'm not posing out on my passion, like I'll pose

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out in the business world, but not in the music world.

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And it it almost did destroy metal forever, and thankfully

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it didn't.

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Metal will never die. That's true. Metal will never die.

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That's it. It's like when I talked.

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To people of men and women.

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And I talked to people and they're like, oh, I

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used to listen to metal, Well then you were not

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a metal head like you. I don't know a real

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metal head that says A used to listen to metal,

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you know, And you know, people like our age will

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get shade for you know, I'll drive down the road

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blasting as loud as I can and aren't you a

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little old for that?

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You know what? Fuck off? No, it's it.

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They don't get it. They don't get what it is.

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The best therapy there is too to me, Like I

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had something really really bad happened in a couple in

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the past couple of years, and I went into a

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mosh pitt and I got all that shit out in

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the pit instead of out on the street, you know,

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and it's like, I think people don't understand what metal's

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all about. Funny story, I had to cover two festivals

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one weekend. Of course I couldn't be at both, so

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I had employee Mine. I was like, hey, I want

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you to cover this festival. She had never been to

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a rock show ever. She was a country girl, and

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I literally said to her, I'm like, listen, you're gonna

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have the best time of your life. Here's what's gonna happen.

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First of all, it's not like your country shows. We

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have a bunch of rednecks getting drunk on Jack Daniels

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and beating the shit out of each other. And you

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think it's so scary with the mash bits, I'm more

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scared with those people. You're gonna make all kinds of

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new friends, and you're gonna probably meet some dude, and

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you're gonna see we're just one big family and that

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all loves each other where there's no outsiders. She came

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back after a weekend. Oh my god, you were so right.

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I have all these new friends, and I tea bag

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some guy and he's now my boyfriend. And I have

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this new favorite band. They're called Bring me to Horizon.

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I'm like, yeah, I think I might have heard of them,

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you know, And it was just like a perfect conversion.

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People need to experience it. I even think, you know,

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if we want to solve all the world's problems, whether

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it's the eighties now or whenever in time, just have

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one big music festival that's a metal festival and everybody

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just going to the mash and work it out and

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there you go.

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We don't need anything else.

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Yeah, the metal community around the world's amazing. We were

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playing somewhere like a big show like VAKA, like eighty

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one thousand people or something, you know, and I think

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it went three days and I never saw a policeman.

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I never saw anyone get arrested. I never saw anyone

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pushing anyone in line. I call my wife. We live

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in Venture, California, and there was like a band little

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they have like a small little surf festival thing called

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surfer Adio down by the beach.

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Yeah, And I called her and I go, how was that.

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She goes, well, there are three hundred people, and within

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a couple of hours there was like a police riot,

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like people were fighting and punching each other. And I go, oh,

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just with eighty one thousand people for three days, and

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I never saw a cop or a fight.

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Or no doubt. It's always like that.

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They're all everyone's drinking.

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And but you know, I think I think the Metal Festival,

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I think what it is, it's it's a whole group,

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like a family, and we all have some common you know,

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shared kind of vision or morality, you know, And even

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though the music's really dark.

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You know, I think they're the nicest people.

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But you know, it's like people like watching horror movies

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and stuff like that. Yeah, that's why I like our

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doom stuff because it's kind of you know, someone said

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it's like prophecy, you know, prophetic or whatever, you know.

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And Tim, you know, I've written some of the songs

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over the years, like Legions Arise, you know, King of

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the Dead, Death of Son, what have you. But Tim's

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latest batch of songs, you know, is he considers himself

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kind of like Jim Morrison, kind of like a you know,

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a wandering poet or something. And some of it's really good.

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I mean, I if you read our lyrics, you know,

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they're on multiple levels. And I was expecting you to

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ask because someone asked me they go what does this

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lyric mean? Or what what does that lyric mean? You know,

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and Tim goes, well, read the lyrics, you.

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Know, So yeah that they may because like you've already

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been asked that question ten million times, like.

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How'd you get your band? Meme?

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Like you explained it, but I was never going to

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ask it. But I do get a lot times about

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my radio labe. It's so funny all the baths, they

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always like where'd you get? And they make up shit,

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they'll write songs during the interview, and really it's just

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my last name made into a nickname.

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I have a funny story about that.

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We were playing rock Hard and Gelsenkirk and Germany amazing. Okay,

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So near our little hometown, there's a place called Foster

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Park and there's a place of Foster Park Bowl and

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it's kind of like a small Roman amphitheater maybe holes

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maybe five hundred people max or a thousand maybe if

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you crammed them in there. We played there a couple

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of times when the band was first starting, where we

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even had a singer. So it's just like a three

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piece instrumental thing. But anyway, you know, it's like a

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giant Roman kind of Colisseum, right, you know, in Athens, Greece.

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So we show up at this place in Germany, drive up,

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drop off some merch or something, and I'm a Jarvis

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who walk over the edge and I see this giant

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amphitheater and it's just like the one I kind of

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grew up playing at, but like maybe fifty times a size.

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And I go, hey man, this is going to be

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a good concert anyway, So we'll be and Tim were

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walking around through the crowd looking at you know, T

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shirts and stuff, and I want to interview us for

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the German TV station. It was going to film the thing,

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and the lady came up and she's asking us a

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bunch of questions and she goes, is it true that

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you speak Elvish? And I said, well no, and I go, actually,

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if we did, we'd have pronounce the name of our

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band correctly, because in the books pronounced like with a K,

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like Krathungle. And the joke was, you know, even though

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we were signed to read this as kids, and I've

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I've probably read The Lord of the Rings three times through,

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I never spent the time to read the appendixes where

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it told you how to pronounce you know, the words

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are speaking Elvish, so we told the lady, no, we

453
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didn't speak Elvish.

454
00:22:47.119 --> 00:22:47.440
Sure.

455
00:22:47.759 --> 00:22:50.559
And speaking of stories, what would you say is like

456
00:22:50.680 --> 00:22:59.559
your most memorable story story in the past fifty five years, crazy, good, bad,

457
00:23:00.160 --> 00:23:03.240
just the one that like really sticks out in your mind.

458
00:23:04.039 --> 00:23:07.839
We played a festival which used to be in East Germany,

459
00:23:08.200 --> 00:23:11.200
you know, called Chaos to Sins. It was named after

460
00:23:11.279 --> 00:23:13.359
we have a song on our third album, when Footheld

461
00:23:13.359 --> 00:23:16.039
Cast of Sins. So we're out in the middle of

462
00:23:16.079 --> 00:23:20.279
this forest and there's like mountains and there's a river

463
00:23:20.720 --> 00:23:24.920
running through it, and you know, we were on stage if

464
00:23:24.920 --> 00:23:28.400
we're playing, we're playing a song chaost to Sins, you know,

465
00:23:28.440 --> 00:23:30.519
and I'm looking up. I can see the stars and

466
00:23:30.559 --> 00:23:32.359
i can see mountains with trees on it.

467
00:23:32.440 --> 00:23:35.759
You know. It's like I don't know it's it's And

468
00:23:35.799 --> 00:23:36.279
I could.

469
00:23:36.079 --> 00:23:38.440
Feel the vibrations underneath me, and I kind of almost

470
00:23:38.440 --> 00:23:40.720
felt like I was connected to the ground. And I

471
00:23:40.720 --> 00:23:43.559
can hear the people in the audience over you know,

472
00:23:43.599 --> 00:23:46.880
we play loud. This was a pretty amazing setup there.

473
00:23:46.960 --> 00:23:51.000
They had like a pretty great sound system and stage

474
00:23:51.039 --> 00:23:53.599
and I could hear the crowd, Like Jenny, Chaos to

475
00:23:53.720 --> 00:23:57.000
sins and I looked out there and I just felt like, Wow,

476
00:23:57.079 --> 00:23:59.880
this is you know, this is the most amazing thing

477
00:23:59.880 --> 00:24:01.240
I ever felt in my life.

478
00:24:02.440 --> 00:24:04.880
And the weekend, the band's son Oh.

479
00:24:04.920 --> 00:24:06.359
You know, they play, you know, I think some of

480
00:24:06.359 --> 00:24:08.319
their songs have one card in it or something, and.

481
00:24:08.279 --> 00:24:09.880
They hold the guitar over their head and.

482
00:24:11.319 --> 00:24:15.000
We're backstage and they had a rack of like bog machines,

483
00:24:15.039 --> 00:24:16.799
you know, like most guys have a rack or like

484
00:24:16.839 --> 00:24:17.960
maybe guitar effects.

485
00:24:18.319 --> 00:24:19.400
I think they had two of them.

486
00:24:19.440 --> 00:24:22.559
It was like maybe ten bog machines in each rack

487
00:24:22.640 --> 00:24:23.160
and stuff.

488
00:24:24.079 --> 00:24:25.400
And what was kind of funny.

489
00:24:25.440 --> 00:24:28.680
We were over, like you know, in between shows or

490
00:24:28.680 --> 00:24:31.160
something before we played, and the guys in son Oh

491
00:24:31.200 --> 00:24:33.160
came over and he said, well, they'd tour to the

492
00:24:33.160 --> 00:24:35.319
band and they'd like just in their fans or something.

493
00:24:36.200 --> 00:24:38.480
And we were joking because you know, you know, they

494
00:24:38.559 --> 00:24:41.319
wear like outfits where you can't see who they are,

495
00:24:41.920 --> 00:24:44.640
and we wish, you know, sometimes we you know, had

496
00:24:44.680 --> 00:24:47.279
a face mask on or like a cloak over our

497
00:24:47.319 --> 00:24:49.559
head or something, because they could just walk around through

498
00:24:49.559 --> 00:24:52.279
the whole festival and no one even, yeah.

499
00:24:52.079 --> 00:24:53.039
Ask them who they are.

500
00:24:53.079 --> 00:24:55.160
But yeah, so then we watched them play and it

501
00:24:55.240 --> 00:24:58.960
was just amazing. I mean it was so loud and

502
00:24:59.759 --> 00:25:02.559
you know, the vibrations from the stage, and so I

503
00:25:02.559 --> 00:25:06.200
would say my best experience was probably at that festival,

504
00:25:06.480 --> 00:25:09.200
just because it was just so primitive and I mean

505
00:25:09.240 --> 00:25:13.000
not technologically, but you know, you're literally you know, and

506
00:25:13.000 --> 00:25:16.160
when you think something like Woodstock, this beautiful area and

507
00:25:16.160 --> 00:25:18.240
it's descended on by all these people and kind of

508
00:25:18.240 --> 00:25:21.359
mess it up, this place was so pristine, you know,

509
00:25:21.519 --> 00:25:24.839
and the stage was so perfectly located that you know,

510
00:25:25.079 --> 00:25:29.079
it didn't affect the environment or the nature or anything

511
00:25:29.119 --> 00:25:29.519
around it.

512
00:25:29.440 --> 00:25:30.799
It was just kind of part of it.

513
00:25:31.839 --> 00:25:34.759
You should also look into, like have you heard of

514
00:25:34.839 --> 00:25:36.960
the organization called Savage Lands.

515
00:25:38.119 --> 00:25:40.160
Oh, so they're really cool.

516
00:25:40.519 --> 00:25:45.519
They plant trees with metal bands all over the world

517
00:25:45.599 --> 00:25:48.599
to save the planet. You know, they planted a bunch

518
00:25:48.680 --> 00:25:51.599
this year at Hellfest, you know. And you have bands

519
00:25:51.680 --> 00:25:54.799
like High Long that's involved with them, and a lot

520
00:25:54.839 --> 00:25:57.279
of like the European bands are very involved with ement.

521
00:25:57.880 --> 00:26:01.519
It's like a totally cool concept, sure, because it's just

522
00:26:01.599 --> 00:26:05.359
like it just shows how much us metal heads really

523
00:26:05.440 --> 00:26:07.000
do care about everything.

524
00:26:08.160 --> 00:26:10.079
I love all that. I'll look into that.

525
00:26:10.720 --> 00:26:13.799
Yeah, I'll send you some info. I'll send you, like the.

526
00:26:14.039 --> 00:26:17.640
Website, you can check it out because it's like, it's

527
00:26:17.680 --> 00:26:18.519
like amazing.

528
00:26:18.759 --> 00:26:20.759
And do you know the band Heylen.

529
00:26:20.839 --> 00:26:24.119
Yes, yes, yeah, so like they're the perfect band for that,

530
00:26:24.519 --> 00:26:27.480
you know, type of thing, and they're very involved in

531
00:26:27.599 --> 00:26:29.599
There's a bunch of other bands are involved in it,

532
00:26:29.680 --> 00:26:32.599
and they just they're just planting trees all over the

533
00:26:32.599 --> 00:26:37.240
world and all and it's metal and the environment connected together.

534
00:26:38.720 --> 00:26:40.279
Well, we need more trees.

535
00:26:40.279 --> 00:26:43.880
Yes, a lot less. You know, I flew in here

536
00:26:43.920 --> 00:26:47.720
from Costa Rica. You know, one day I'm surfing in

537
00:26:47.759 --> 00:26:50.359
Costa Rica. The next day I'm in a pit at

538
00:26:50.400 --> 00:26:55.039
Hell's Heroes in Houston, Texas. But yeah, pisses me off

539
00:26:55.079 --> 00:26:57.559
every time I go there too, because they keep knocking

540
00:26:57.599 --> 00:27:02.079
down trees to build more BUI holdings. For what you know,

541
00:27:02.160 --> 00:27:06.960
it's like something as pristine as Costa Rica should stay pristine.

542
00:27:07.000 --> 00:27:09.400
We got plenty of places where you could build buildings.

543
00:27:09.440 --> 00:27:12.240
Like you look at downtown Houston. Okay, I'm cool with that.

544
00:27:12.240 --> 00:27:15.839
That's downtown Houston. That's where the building should be. They'll

545
00:27:15.880 --> 00:27:17.920
knock down the trees and get rid of the wildlife.

546
00:27:18.519 --> 00:27:21.960
Well I have nothing left, man, except a bunch of stucco.

547
00:27:22.000 --> 00:27:24.359
That's why I feel in Florida. I live in Florida,

548
00:27:24.400 --> 00:27:25.720
I feel it's just all stucco.

549
00:27:26.759 --> 00:27:29.559
Well, you mentioned you hung out on a sunset strip

550
00:27:29.599 --> 00:27:31.160
and stuff. I kind of want to talk about this.

551
00:27:32.079 --> 00:27:35.759
Our last album that we put out was actually, you know,

552
00:27:35.759 --> 00:27:38.000
we were going to have like, okay, so our last

553
00:27:38.039 --> 00:27:40.799
studio album, Dark Paraye, which I think was freaking amazing.

554
00:27:40.839 --> 00:27:42.400
It was like some of the best stuff that we've

555
00:27:42.440 --> 00:27:45.960
ever done. Very dark, really heavy, a lot of cool

556
00:27:46.000 --> 00:27:48.160
songs on there, a lot of great ideas and stuff,

557
00:27:48.759 --> 00:27:50.880
very consistent, you know, kind of flowed from you know,

558
00:27:50.920 --> 00:27:54.319
the beginning to the end, you know, and the kind

559
00:27:54.359 --> 00:27:56.559
of fashion. I think it's like a near like a

560
00:27:56.599 --> 00:27:59.279
perfect album. And it's not a theme album, but it

561
00:27:59.279 --> 00:28:02.440
had this theme unning through it. So we were going

562
00:28:02.519 --> 00:28:06.079
to do a helm release party, and between the record

563
00:28:06.119 --> 00:28:08.000
company and Jarvis and I'm not sure who came up

564
00:28:08.000 --> 00:28:10.480
with the idea, they go, well, why don't you guys

565
00:28:10.559 --> 00:28:13.599
have the party at the Roxy on a sunset strip,

566
00:28:14.640 --> 00:28:17.319
and metal Blade goes okay, So we're going to record

567
00:28:17.359 --> 00:28:19.039
it and make a movie out of it, make a

568
00:28:19.079 --> 00:28:23.200
live album, and so we were all okay, uh, and

569
00:28:23.279 --> 00:28:26.079
we played at the Roxy like in the nineteen eighties,

570
00:28:26.160 --> 00:28:28.519
you know, and I think Brian, you know, from Metal

571
00:28:28.559 --> 00:28:32.119
Blade Records, he put on a couple of shows back

572
00:28:32.160 --> 00:28:35.720
at the time when Middle Masacre his first album came out. Yeah,

573
00:28:35.920 --> 00:28:38.960
and you know we played with Omen and Bitch and

574
00:28:39.039 --> 00:28:40.000
some of the other bands.

575
00:28:40.039 --> 00:28:42.720
Well I miss Bitch, yeah yeah.

576
00:28:42.200 --> 00:28:45.319
Well they just played in our hometown, like Jars put

577
00:28:45.359 --> 00:28:48.720
on a Frost and Fire five just within the last.

578
00:28:48.559 --> 00:28:49.160
Couple of months.

579
00:28:49.680 --> 00:28:50.480
Yeah, Bitch was there.

580
00:28:50.599 --> 00:28:52.799
I should have been there. I've gotten to so many

581
00:28:52.880 --> 00:28:53.720
at our shows.

582
00:28:54.400 --> 00:28:56.160
So anyway, this was going to be at the Roxy,

583
00:28:56.160 --> 00:28:57.880
and since we had a history of playing there, we're

584
00:28:57.960 --> 00:29:00.920
kind of all excited about it. And all the guys

585
00:29:00.960 --> 00:29:03.599
came out from you know, the record company in Germany

586
00:29:03.640 --> 00:29:06.279
and here in the United States, and you know, it

587
00:29:06.319 --> 00:29:08.920
was packed, and we always have this joke, you know,

588
00:29:08.960 --> 00:29:10.279
they had to deal like, you know, if it was

589
00:29:10.319 --> 00:29:12.680
sold out, you know, you got extra money for playing,

590
00:29:12.680 --> 00:29:15.240
you know, right, And I think the maximum capacity was

591
00:29:15.319 --> 00:29:18.880
like five hundred and forty people, and for some reason,

592
00:29:19.079 --> 00:29:21.839
we always have five hundred and forty three or four

593
00:29:21.920 --> 00:29:24.880
hundred and forty three people. You know, it's always seven

594
00:29:24.960 --> 00:29:27.640
people less than the sellout thing, and we're always joking that,

595
00:29:27.799 --> 00:29:34.279
you know, you know, I don't know whether that's always

596
00:29:34.359 --> 00:29:35.799
rigged right.

597
00:29:35.880 --> 00:29:37.920
You should have described people up the street.

598
00:29:37.720 --> 00:29:38.440
But anyway, it was.

599
00:29:38.519 --> 00:29:42.319
It was a fantastic show and it came out really good.

600
00:29:44.119 --> 00:29:46.880
But what I was going to say about it is

601
00:29:46.920 --> 00:29:49.200
like most live albums, I've always loved live album but

602
00:29:49.240 --> 00:29:50.519
sometimes they didn't sound.

603
00:29:50.240 --> 00:29:50.839
All that great.

604
00:29:50.880 --> 00:29:54.640
But we took the feed straight off our inner monitor

605
00:29:55.039 --> 00:29:58.920
mixer thing. I was just amaze, you know, the clarity

606
00:29:58.920 --> 00:30:01.200
of all the instruments that ms the guitars and the

607
00:30:01.240 --> 00:30:04.279
bass and vocals and everything came out near perfect. And

608
00:30:04.319 --> 00:30:06.440
for any of your listeners, you know they haven't seen

609
00:30:06.480 --> 00:30:10.079
the band live or aren't able to can't make it

610
00:30:10.119 --> 00:30:12.680
out to one of our shows, if they go on

611
00:30:12.759 --> 00:30:16.000
YouTube or pick up the album on Metal Blade Live

612
00:30:16.039 --> 00:30:18.400
at the Roxy, I think they'll be surprised because it

613
00:30:19.119 --> 00:30:20.680
was pretty awesome.

614
00:30:20.960 --> 00:30:24.839
I love that because the first club show I ever

615
00:30:24.920 --> 00:30:27.039
went and went to and my life was at the

616
00:30:27.160 --> 00:30:31.400
Roxy and it was Motley Crue, but before they had

617
00:30:31.400 --> 00:30:33.880
an album, so they weren't glam or hair mel yet.

618
00:30:33.920 --> 00:30:37.559
They were more like horror punk and I remember they

619
00:30:37.599 --> 00:30:40.759
were trying to burn the Roxy down to bring Satan

620
00:30:40.839 --> 00:30:44.279
in to the club, and I remember saying to myself,

621
00:30:44.720 --> 00:30:47.599
oh my god, I'm never going to a real concert

622
00:30:47.599 --> 00:30:50.039
ever again. And that's what starred me on going to

623
00:30:50.200 --> 00:30:54.119
like every club show there was, and you know, you

624
00:30:54.160 --> 00:30:56.680
were mentioning bitch. I saw them a bunch of times.

625
00:30:57.119 --> 00:31:00.599
One of my favorite bands who actually came out when

626
00:31:00.680 --> 00:31:03.119
album a few years ago for the first time in

627
00:31:03.160 --> 00:31:07.039
like thirty five years or something with Savage Grace. And

628
00:31:07.880 --> 00:31:10.519
now I have kids and I tell my kids' stories

629
00:31:10.559 --> 00:31:12.680
of back then, and you know how your kids are

630
00:31:12.720 --> 00:31:16.119
that they're like, yeah, sure, Dad, they think you're exaggerating,

631
00:31:16.160 --> 00:31:18.640
and of course we don't have a proof, so like

632
00:31:18.720 --> 00:31:23.160
they think you're full of crap. So I actually at

633
00:31:23.160 --> 00:31:27.000
the country Club in Resida, I ended one of Savage

634
00:31:27.039 --> 00:31:29.720
Grace's shows, not that they ended because of me, but

635
00:31:29.799 --> 00:31:33.440
on the last note, climbed up onto the Marshall stack,

636
00:31:34.000 --> 00:31:37.759
did a swan dive. Crowd moved while it was mid air,

637
00:31:37.839 --> 00:31:42.039
and I knocked out my teeth and it's not fun.

638
00:31:42.319 --> 00:31:45.160
And then of course the security like kicked me out

639
00:31:45.160 --> 00:31:48.200
of the place, you know, because they didn't want a

640
00:31:48.279 --> 00:31:54.559
lawsuit or whatever. And so after that, like Savage Grace

641
00:31:54.599 --> 00:31:57.279
pretty much went away and I never really saw him

642
00:31:57.279 --> 00:31:58.559
a now. I used to hang out with them all

643
00:31:58.599 --> 00:32:01.279
the time and i'd roady just because they were friends

644
00:32:01.279 --> 00:32:04.119
of mine. So I get this email a few years

645
00:32:04.160 --> 00:32:09.400
ago and it's like, oh, Savage Grace new album. I'm like,

646
00:32:09.559 --> 00:32:13.039
holy shit. So I'm like, oh, yeah, I'll definitely interview them.

647
00:32:13.079 --> 00:32:16.240
I contacted the Bubblicist right away. I'm like, yeah, definitely interview.

648
00:32:16.920 --> 00:32:21.680
And I get on with christ and I go, I

649
00:32:21.680 --> 00:32:24.359
don't know if you remember, but you know, and we

650
00:32:24.400 --> 00:32:27.319
were doing this in the interview, but I'm the one

651
00:32:27.359 --> 00:32:29.640
that did the stage dive that knocked off my and

652
00:32:29.720 --> 00:32:31.759
knocked out my thing, and he goes, yeah, I.

653
00:32:31.640 --> 00:32:33.920
Saw your name. I immediately remembered.

654
00:32:33.960 --> 00:32:37.519
He goes, I felt so bad. I wondered whatever happened

655
00:32:37.519 --> 00:32:40.200
to you? You and I used to tell my kids

656
00:32:40.240 --> 00:32:42.720
I was known as like the most tragic thing that

657
00:32:42.799 --> 00:32:45.880
happened in La Medal, and he said that in.

658
00:32:45.799 --> 00:32:47.599
The interview, like word for word.

659
00:32:47.599 --> 00:32:50.039
He's like, you were the most tragic thing I ever

660
00:32:50.079 --> 00:32:52.559
saw in La Medal. And so I played it for

661
00:32:52.640 --> 00:32:54.519
my kids. So I'm like, see your Dad's not full

662
00:32:54.559 --> 00:32:54.839
of shit.

663
00:32:55.200 --> 00:32:57.759
You should have a statue on a sunset strip, right,

664
00:32:57.880 --> 00:32:58.519
dedicated to.

665
00:32:58.559 --> 00:33:04.720
You, right, But yeah, lots of stories like that. You

666
00:33:04.839 --> 00:33:07.640
got lots of stories. And I'm so happy you were

667
00:33:07.640 --> 00:33:10.640
here at Hell's Heroes once again. I didn't even know

668
00:33:10.759 --> 00:33:14.079
you were here for four times until last night. And

669
00:33:14.079 --> 00:33:18.359
then I'll tell you what I really love too. You're

670
00:33:18.400 --> 00:33:20.960
playing and then all of a sudden you went into

671
00:33:21.000 --> 00:33:25.960
that drum solo. Nobody does that anymore. That was badass.

672
00:33:26.119 --> 00:33:29.240
Actually have a thirty minute drum solo, but the guys

673
00:33:29.240 --> 00:33:31.440
in the band aren't really fans of drum solo. So

674
00:33:33.240 --> 00:33:35.519
I used to play it at the end, and kind

675
00:33:35.519 --> 00:33:37.200
of my theory was, you know, it's like the end

676
00:33:37.240 --> 00:33:39.880
of the show, so any extra energy I had, I

677
00:33:39.880 --> 00:33:42.839
can pump it in, you know, and do this amazing thing.

678
00:33:42.839 --> 00:33:44.759
And Timshall, you can't do the drum solo at the

679
00:33:44.839 --> 00:33:47.440
end of the.

680
00:33:46.279 --> 00:33:47.599
Show because people get.

681
00:33:47.440 --> 00:33:49.359
Bored, they'll start leaving and stuff, And I go, well,

682
00:33:49.400 --> 00:33:51.400
they're going to leave anyway. It's the end, right, So

683
00:33:52.240 --> 00:33:54.319
now I do it after Black Machine.

684
00:33:54.039 --> 00:33:57.279
And well, I dug it, so you can tell him

685
00:33:57.319 --> 00:33:59.759
that no drum solo needs to stay in.

686
00:34:00.119 --> 00:34:00.920
Yeah, I love it.

687
00:34:01.440 --> 00:34:04.680
The other joke is, sometimes, you know, we're playing and

688
00:34:04.720 --> 00:34:06.839
if someone breaks a string, you know, like a bass

689
00:34:06.839 --> 00:34:10.360
string or guitar string or something, then that's my cue

690
00:34:10.599 --> 00:34:12.239
because I you know, I'm a drummer. I always want

691
00:34:12.280 --> 00:34:13.800
to do a drum solo. You know, I want to

692
00:34:13.800 --> 00:34:17.280
play cow bell, you know, hit my gong whatever, you know.

693
00:34:17.719 --> 00:34:19.880
On our last couple albums, there was like a joke

694
00:34:20.800 --> 00:34:22.920
and goes, look, you have one song you can do

695
00:34:22.960 --> 00:34:25.880
the cow bell on, and I'm like, why can't I

696
00:34:25.920 --> 00:34:27.280
do it on all eight songs?

697
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Like more cow bell?

698
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I love it so but you know, I just wanted

699
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to say, playing here at Hell's Heroes amazing. I'd like

700
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to plug another festival because the last time we played here,

701
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we went on and played this festival in Tulsa, Oklahoma,

702
00:34:40.960 --> 00:34:44.960
two minutes to Tulsa, and it's as amazing as Hell's Heroes,

703
00:34:45.840 --> 00:34:48.840
but it's not that well known, and the promoter guy's

704
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so cool, and it's at a place called Caine's Ballroom

705
00:34:51.360 --> 00:34:54.119
that Mountain played at a bunch of famous people. Matter

706
00:34:54.119 --> 00:34:56.960
of fact, backstage, in the manager's office, there's a hole

707
00:34:57.000 --> 00:35:00.800
in the wall where Sid Vicious punched his nice and

708
00:35:01.159 --> 00:35:03.199
so what they did they hung a frame around the

709
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hole in my all of life with the thing on there.

710
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So if anyone gets a chance, they got to go

711
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check out two.

712
00:35:08.440 --> 00:35:09.280
Minutes to Tulsa.

713
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But I also want to thank you know, a record

714
00:35:12.000 --> 00:35:15.039
company in Metal Blade Records, all the guys here at

715
00:35:15.480 --> 00:35:18.639
you know, Hell's heroes, but also the members of my band.

716
00:35:19.039 --> 00:35:22.719
You know, Jarvis, he got us back together armand stepped

717
00:35:22.719 --> 00:35:25.280
in when a couple of the guys you know had

718
00:35:25.280 --> 00:35:28.000
some health issues and had to leave. And Tim are

719
00:35:28.000 --> 00:35:30.239
an amazing singer, you know. Just being able to share

720
00:35:30.320 --> 00:35:33.519
the stage with people that you know, I consider my

721
00:35:33.599 --> 00:35:36.199
metal brothers is like an honor for me. And to

722
00:35:36.239 --> 00:35:38.800
share the stage with all these other incredible acts, it's

723
00:35:38.840 --> 00:35:39.840
just fucking awesome.

724
00:35:40.199 --> 00:35:42.599
I love it and tell everybody too how they can

725
00:35:42.679 --> 00:35:45.559
reach out to you guys. Buy your merch because they

726
00:35:45.559 --> 00:35:47.519
can't listen to my show if they don't buy your merch,

727
00:35:47.519 --> 00:35:51.000
because that's the only way get to the next gig nowadays.

728
00:35:51.559 --> 00:35:55.760
Well, we're on band camp indy merch. You can go

729
00:35:55.800 --> 00:36:03.079
to the Metal Blade website. Also we have a Facebook Instagram.

730
00:36:04.199 --> 00:36:06.239
You know, I won for myself personally, but then we

731
00:36:06.320 --> 00:36:08.960
have band ones, you know, so as you can find

732
00:36:09.039 --> 00:36:11.960
us pretty easily. You know, we're we're not hiding anywhere,

733
00:36:12.039 --> 00:36:14.119
even though we're hiding in Plainside.

734
00:36:14.519 --> 00:36:17.239
I love it and I'm so glad that you were

735
00:36:17.280 --> 00:36:20.000
here at Hell's Heroes. And thanks a lot for being

736
00:36:20.039 --> 00:36:21.239
on the Adventures of Pipe Man.

737
00:36:21.559 --> 00:36:24.760
Hey, it was an honor, and thank you for let

738
00:36:24.880 --> 00:36:25.840
me talk about the band.

739
00:36:26.639 --> 00:36:31.679
This is Robert Gorvin, the drummer of Surathungle and I'm

740
00:36:31.679 --> 00:36:37.599
here with the Pipe Man W four CY Radio.

741
00:36:40.760 --> 00:36:45.840
Thank you for listening to the Adventures of Pipemin. I'm

742
00:36:46.239 --> 00:36:49.000
w for CUI Radio.