Sept. 15, 2025

Pipeman Interviews Michael Cleveland & Jason Carter at Bourbon & Beyond 2025

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Hi, you have done too, Yes, that's true.

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For see w forre you young roll.

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This is the pipe Man here on the Adventures of

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Pipe Man W four c Y Radio.

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And I'm here with Jason Carter.

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And Michael Cleveland.

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Nice here at Bourbon and Beyond.

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How's it feel, boys to be here at this great festival?

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Oh?

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It's great. We love playing bluegrass festivals. We get the

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play festivals like this with all different styles of music

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and well really a rock and roll festival.

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This is great. We're gonna have a blast.

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Yeah. Man, it's just an honor to be here.

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Man, and I want to know.

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Okay, so first of all, how do you guys originally

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get together to play together?

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What's the story behind that?

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Well, this is something we've been talking about for years

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because Jason and I've known Jason since I was about

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thirteen years old.

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Wow.

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And I met him first in I think ninety three

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when he had just started with the Dell McCurry band.

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He was always one of my favorite fiddle players, and

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later on we kind of got to be friends and

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keeping in touch more and we would run into each

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other shows and he would invite me up on stage

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with Dell or the Traveling McCurry's, and then I would

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he would sit in with my band and the twin

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fiddle thing. That just kind of worked like we never

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really seemed like we never had kind to rehearse anything.

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It would just be the thing where I really don't

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know what we're gonna do, just come up, can't do it,

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and so that rarely works out well. But I think

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I've listened to Jason so much, and we both listened

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to a lot of the same fiddle players when we

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were learning how to play. We have the same heroes

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and influences, so it makes it that much easier to

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play together. And I remember saying one time, man, what

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do you think it'd be like we actually had a

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chance to rehearse. And we have been talking about doing

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this album together for the last fifteen years. When we

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finally got it done and we're so happy about it,

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and it's dream come true to me and also a

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dream come true for me to get to play these

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shows with Jason and the great band, the players that

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we have. I will never imagine this.

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So nice, that's great, And Jason, way you want to

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add to that story from your perspective.

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I think he just hit the nail on the head, right.

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I remember Mike when I hear we first met, he

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was a little He's a few years younger than me.

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He was a little guy back then, a little kid man.

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He played wonderful, beautifully back then, but he just kept

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getting better and better, and always try to say tell

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people that I think he's the best fiddle player on

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the planet. And so getting played with him, like he said,

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we did never had a lot of time to rehearse.

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It was just kind of off the cuff, and man,

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I don't think we could have done that with another guy.

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I couldn't have played with anybody else and it turned

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out like it did. Besides Mike, I think he's the

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only only way, only person I think that we could

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I could have done.

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That with nice.

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Like he said, we listened to the same We learned

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from the same that helped pioneers of bluegrass fiddle, and

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you know, so we kind of come from the same school,

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if you know what I mean.

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So, yeah, that it definitely helps.

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And I think we liked it kind of the same

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style of music. I think we liked the same stuff.

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So it's like easy when we finally did get a

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chance to like pick out songs. And I don't know

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if we disagreed on anything.

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I don't think we ever did.

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We might, I know, like you say, I'm the best

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fiddle player in the world. Most of the licks I

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stole from you.

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I'm just trying to yours now.

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I love after knowing so you guys, knowing each other

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for so many years, the respect that you have for

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each other like that doesn't always happen in this business, right,

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you know.

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And we've been friends for a long time. Man, And yeah,

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I'm a huge Michael Cleveland fan, so I was trying

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to play like him these days.

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I want to ask you apinion of Okay, do you

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think Michael is such a great fiddle player because of

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the hearing and vision issues, because he actually like feels

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the music instead of just playing the notes.

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Man, I don't know. I think Michael is a great

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player because he lives. He's lived to be a fiddle player,

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and he's put a lot of work into this and

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he's worth day, I mean hours and hours every day

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for his entire life to be able to play. You

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can't discard that, man, I mean, not put the hours in.

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And Michael has put more in than any of us

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and it comes and you can tell when you hear

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him play.

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I love it. Yeah, Oh well, you guys are both

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like unbelievable.

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It is not the easiest instrument to play.

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What makes it not the easy, Well, you.

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Don't it's got a bow. Well that's one thing. You

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got to figure out how to use the bow for

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one thing, and then you don't have frett so you

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have to feel the notes and be able to hear

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it to get your intonation. And I have a buddy

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of mine that says it it takes four years just

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to become a bad fiddler. But Mike even had it

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when he was a kid. He had something. But he

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even when we first met, I know, he put a

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lot of hours in from then and he's really studied

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the music. He's really studied and worked at his playing.

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So that's man, you nice hard work pays off.

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It's sure does especially and it's in this straight.

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You love it?

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Yeah, yeah, right, well.

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That's the point, right, And listen, just like anything, practice, practice, practice,

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that's it too.

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It's it's like if you love something like this. We

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were both fans of this music, and like I'm sure

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with Mike and I know for me. I was listening

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to something today and there was a tune come on

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and I remember that being like my favorite tune as

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a kid, one of my favorite fiddle tunes, and it

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come on today and I was riding down the road

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on my way here, and I had I kind of

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had that same feeling as that what I did when

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I heard it as a kid, and it's like, I

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don't get tired of it.

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Yeah, I love hearing that. That shows the true passion goes.

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This business can beat.

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You down after many years, and if you're still feeling

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the way you guys do, that shows the true passion

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for the music.

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Yeah.

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Period.

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Yeah.

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Now, what would you say about Jason about what makes

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him great? What makes him what you think is one

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of the greatest players?

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Well, a lot of the same things. The thing that

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I always liked about Jayson's playing, there's a lot of

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things to like. And I can hear all the fiddle

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players that I like in what he does when he plays.

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I hear Benny Martin, I hear Vassar Clements, I hear

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Kenny Baker and all that, Bob Higgs and Dale Potter

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and pretty much all of them. Then I hear Jason Carter.

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Jason has an intensity to the way he plays where

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that's like our buddy Jeff, Like says man, when Jason

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starts playing and singing, it's like I'm here and I'm

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gonna play and sing you into the ground, like I'm

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taking no prisoners.

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It's just like and that's.

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What I've always liked. That's the players I've always loved

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to listen to, is the ones that just get after nice.

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I love it, man, It's funny. It's I fiddle is

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usually a backup instrument. And speaking of playing with that

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kind of intensity, what he's saying he does that he

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doesn't to me, he does it better than anybody. And

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he Mike, besides, this band can.

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Pull more volume than it.

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Yes, but he he runs his own band and he

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leads his band, and it's usually the leader of the

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band is a guitar player or a rhythm instrument or

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something like that. For the most part, that's who you're

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leaning on. And for somebody to be able to have

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that intensity in their fiddle playing like what Mike does

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and he leads his own band, it's pretty strong.

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Man. It's well.

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I listen to your guys songs and yeah, there's serious

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intensity there.

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I actually love to.

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I live in South Florida and right down the street

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from me there's a park and every weekend there's a

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live bluegrass band that plays all the time in the park,

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just a chill hang out. Because that's why I think

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of when I think of bluegrass, hanging out on the

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porch and just jamming.

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Some of the greatest bluegrass fiddles and fiddlers that ever

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lived came from Florida.

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Well there you go, see that.

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Why it's Aubrey Haney.

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Yep.

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Nice. Now I want to give a little education to.

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Listeners because I learned something your song vamp in the Middle. Now,

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without knowing what that meant, I had assumptions of what

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that meant that were like dead wrong. Tell them what

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that means. Because I learned what it meant. Afterwards, I'm like, wow,

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I learned what it was, so i'd do it vampires

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or something.

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The fiddle and vampires, I know, right, yeah, no, no, no,

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except for tonight.

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Sure, But now I think it.

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I think vamp in the middle is actually the rift

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in the middle of the song, Like there's a line, Well,

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I wrote this song with a vamp in the middle

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and instead of another vocal line, the fiddle kind of finishes.

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Its alves nice.

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And it's that riff that Harder refers to as a

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vamp in the middle.

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And where did that come from? Do we know where

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calling it a vamp.

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Wrote that song?

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Yeah, I don't know. Sometimes people so just vamp on

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that cord, just kind of yeah.

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Because that's why I learned, is it is a fiddle thing,

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like vamp is a fiddly.

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I've heard musicians use the term to play other instruments,

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and it can be a way to describe something.

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It's like, Okay, we're gonna kick it off, and.

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There's a verse in a chorus and then it goes

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to be in you vamp for a while, all right, So.

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It's just I guess, a broad musical term.

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Yeah, I guess. So I didn't even know that.

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I don't know.

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Yeah.

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I think you're probably right for sure.

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So hopefully everybody ends at the same time.

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That's all. That's always what we thrive for.

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I just say somebody says vamp on this, and I

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and then I think, I just hope I'm doing the

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right thing all these years too, right, right, I have

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the wrong thing, the right way is there's a song

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in that. Yeah, there's a new song right there, right

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way there, it is there, it.

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Is there you go, Jason, give you credit, there you go.

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You could give me for that for sure.

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Right, we'll write that one this weekend.

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In I love it.

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And so what else you fifteen percent? That's a lot

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for just coming up with him? Oh no, no, no,

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we gotta go back up to twenty.

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Oh come on, you were negotiating down.

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I got to learn some better negotiating skills.

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I love it.

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So tell everybody how they can reach out to you

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guys on the web, social media or whatever. Find your music,

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find your live tour dates, all.

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That Cleveland Fiddle at Jason Carter Fiddle. That's our website.

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Is that your website takes carterfiddle dot com.

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I think it is.

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Yeah, yeah, that's my Michael cleveland Fiddle dot com. And

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everything on socials is just our name and the word fiddle.

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Nice.

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And so if there was no fiddle, then what instrument

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playing guitar.

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I like it.

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If I'm well, I record a lot at my house,

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so it kind of keeps me playing fiddle. But man,

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when I'm just playing for the hell of it, I

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end up just like playing rhythm guitar along with like

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usually a live bluegrass show nice, and I just love

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I just love playing rhythm guitar. That's probably my next favorite.

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Yeah, all right, how about you, Jason.

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I would probably say the same thing. I started off

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on guitar, and I like to play rhythm guitar and sing.

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steel guitar just because of it.

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It's hard too.

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It's a lot of like fiddle. You have a lot

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of moving chords, and.

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You're crazy enough to play steel guitar.

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I'm crazy enough to attempt it right.

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It is hard.

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It's very hard.

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I don't think I could ever get one in tune.

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So the first time I did Bourbon and Beyond, I

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interviewed Lark.

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And Poe I before they got big.

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play that steel guitar, Oh my god, I was like brilliant.

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She was brilliant and one of my best friends. He

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was the original lead guitars for the band Anthrax, the

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metal band Amtracks. He started playing steel guitar like in

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recent years, and he was just telling me.

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It's hard, Like I play lead guitar.

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And that thing is hard, you know, So more power

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to you if you play honestly.

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I think when people if they talk, if it's if

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they when they say it's hard, or I think any

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of it's hard. It depends on how good you want

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to get.

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And how much you dedicate to it to practice.

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I played guitar when I was younger, but I didn't

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practice enough, so it was hard and I sucked, you.

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Know, and want to get dark.

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So ain'tthing exciting that you want to talk about that's

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coming up?

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After Bourbon and beyond.

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one in Flagstaff at the Picking in the Pines Festival,

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and then Monday we're at the Musical Instrument Museum in Phoenix,

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and that's a neat place to play. Man, It's just

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where musicians can nerd out look at all these instruments exhibits.

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And then right after that is the International Bluegrass Music

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Association's World of Bluegrass convincing Chattanooga, Tennessee.

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It just moved.

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This will be the first year of Chattanooga and we're

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playing the awards show on Thursday.

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Yeah, and then wow, that will be playing.

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The festival on Saturday.

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Nice.

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And the first one you said, the picking in the

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park was going in the pines and the Pines Okay, yeah,

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I automatically assumed that was a bluegrass festival just by

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the name.

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It's like a great name there, but it's primarily a

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bluegrass festival. It's a great name like that was brilliant

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to come up with that.

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That's cool. I love it.

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You guys have a final words you want to leave

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the listeners with, Man, thanks so much for having us.

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Yeah, thanks, and thanks for listening to us. Get on

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out to Urban and Beyond.

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Yeah, and thank you guys for being like such amazing

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musicians and being here at Bourbon and Beyond.

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Thank you man, Thank you you guys.

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Thanks for being on the Adventures of Pipe Man.

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Yes, sir, thank

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You for listening to the Adventures of Pipe Man on

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