July 22, 2025
PipemanRadio Blacklist Union About Up In Smoke From Slay The Dragon
Pipeman and Tony West, the Frontman of Blacklist Union, discuss they officially released their latest single, “Up In Smoke,” a powerful anthem about letting go of the past and embracing the present.
Blacklist Union’s new album Slay the Dragon is scheduled for release in September 2025 and will be their sixth full-length release. In celebration of the release.
We also pay tribute to Ozzy Osbourne and share stories since he passed away shortly before the interview.
Blacklist Union have built a reputation on their explosive live shows and unapologetically bold sound.
Frontman Tony West, known for his larger-than-life presence, took time out to dive deep into several transformative ayahuasca journeys in the heart of the Amazon, preparing for this next era of music.
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It's the pipe Man here on the Adventures Pipe Man
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W four c Y Radio. And I'm here with our
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next guest who has some killer new music. So let's
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welcome to the show. Tony West from Blacklist Union. How
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are you, good man?
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Thanks for having me. Thanks, Oh, my.
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Pleasure, my pleasure. And so I love this new single
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yet up in Smoke and the video is pre killer.
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So tell us a little bit about, you know, your
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creative ideas of making this video.
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I mean, the song's about pretty much trying to stay
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in the moment, you know what I'm saying, and which
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is not a hard thing to do. I tell my kids,
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I'm like, it's called the present because if you can
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actually stay in it, it's a gift, you know. And
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look at kids, like kids are in the moment all
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the time, like they don't have worries about you know,
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how am I going to pay this? Or what happened
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yesterday and stuff? You know what I mean? And we
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were all kids once and we all have that, you know,
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So that's kind of what that song's about. And you know,
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so much, so many songs I've written about this hideous
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relationship thing I went through and all that, and that's
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partly influenced by that. But a lot of the songs
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I don't know if you know, but like Men to
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the Jungle a bunch of times with the Shapibo Indians
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and the Amazon and Peru and so a lot of
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these songs are inspired by by those journeys and that
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you know, spiritual aspect of life.
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Yeah, I'd like to hear more about those journeys because
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they were, uh as far as I know, a big,
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big part of healing a lot of your past to
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be able to be in the present. And so I
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want to hear about your journeys with it, because you know,
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everybody has a different journey, and I'm always curious, you know.
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You know, I had a gnarly you know, childhood. I
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grew up in New York and all that and came
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to la as a teenager and like teenage runaway basically,
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and you know, I went through a lot of things
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and I lost a lot of people, man like my
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my girlfriend was killed in a car accident on the
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road and my first wife died. And then the back
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to Momo record, you know, the fourth record I wrote
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with Todd Youth, who you know, I knew him since
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I was fifteen and he was my good friend. And
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Todd did many things. He played with Danzig, he played,
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he was all I mean, he played everyone from Glenn
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Danzig to Glenn Campbell, you know, but you know, and
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he died. And when he died October twenty seven, twenty eighteen,
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I was like, man, I can't let this ruin my
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life because you know, my wife's death and my girlfriend's
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death like that shit ruined. I'm not, but it destroyed
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my life. I let it destroy my life. And you know,
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drinking and using behind that kind of shit doesn't really
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help either. But anyway, when Todd died, I was I
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had learned through a friend about ayahuasca and I started
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researching in hardcore and I found the you know, the
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grand Poohbahs so to speak of who does this, and
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it's the Shappibo Indians in the Amazon jungle in Peru.
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So you know, that's was the beginning of the deep,
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deep spiritual healing and that stuff, you know, you know,
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for the most part sober. And when I went there,
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I kept telling the Indians like, yo, I can't do drugs,
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Like I don't do drugs, and they're like, this isn't drugs, Tony,
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this isn't medicina because they couldn't speak any English, and
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and I was like, okay, and they were right. And
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you know, there's people who say, oh, I've done mushrooms
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or I've done this and that, and ayahuasca is you
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cannot compare it to anything. It truly, truly, truly is medicine,
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and it truly does take you to those other realms,
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these spiritual realms that we all know about, although we
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just forgot about because we've been so long and all
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that stuff. And so I was able to let go
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of so much sorrow. First of all, I had so
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much sorrow. You know, I knew I had sorrow, but man,
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you know, it was deep seated sorrow. And like my
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first intention, I remember, you have to have an intention
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every time you go do a ceremony, and my first
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one was to see all my people that are no
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longer here on this realm. And man, I saw all
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of them plus more.
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You know, wow.
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But the inspiration and healing and all that stuff is
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just so deeply profound and beautiful. And you know the
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Letters from the psych Ward record is all about that,
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and so is this new one coming out, Slay the Dragon.
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You know, it's all about that deep, deep shit.
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You know, that's that's pretty cool, man, because I know
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a lot of people even there's another band, and my
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mind's drawing blank right now because I'm like, I'm sure
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you know, we're doing this interview now, and Ozzie just passed,
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you know, which is.
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That's just unbelievable. You know, Ozzie is one of the
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people that saved my life as a kid. I was
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just telling, you know, or my assistant here, and dude,
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I've met him so many times and he was always
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super humble, super kind, funny as fuck without even trying
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to be like right, I just had that and you know,
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I have goosebumps. And when I found I mean I
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definitely cried when I heard the news, and but you know,
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I could tell not so much with Ozzy. I mean,
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you could see he was not well. But I saw
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some pictures of Sharon from the event and I was like, oh, God,
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he's dying and I just saw them from her, not
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even from him. You know what I'm saying. It's weird
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because that day I was practicing vocals and you usually
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sing like twenty songs. I know, Ozzy, I studied Ozzy
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like deep. You know, I could sing any Sabbath song
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man and with Ozzy, and you know, I studied him
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deep and he's such a big part of me. And man,
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there's no words. I mean, he's gone. You know. It's
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like what the fun you know?
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And I had an idea just like you too, like
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just everything and even now I'm thinking of all the
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different things and it all makes sense. And I said
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years ago before he was even ever sick. But when
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you know, Sharon kept trying again to retire, I'm like, man,
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if he retired, he would probably pass away because he
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loves the stage and the whole. He loves all of
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it so much, you know. And you know it's funny.
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I went a similar pack to you, because you know,
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I grew up in Jersey. I was born New York.
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One day, not in nineteen eighty, my dad comes up
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to me, he goes, pack your bags. We're moving to California.
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In three days.
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Wow, And so where California did you move to?
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La?
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So?
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I lived that whole metal scene, the Sunset Strip, Troubadour
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Country Club. First first club show I ever went to
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in my life was Motley Crue before they even had
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an album, when they were like horror punk, and he
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was at the Roxy and they were trying to burn
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the Roxy down to bring Satan in and I'm like,
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oh my god, I'm never going to a real concert ever. Again.
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That's the greatest thing I ever saw, you know, type
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of thing, you know. And then I did go to
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what was it, I think it was eighty two. I'm
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trying to remember which year, but New Year's Eve Ozzie played.
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I think it was the Forum, and I told my
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dad I was sleeping over my bro's house. He told
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his parents he was sleeping over my house, you know,
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the typical thing. And we went to Ozzy show. It
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was with Randy Rhodes, like a few months before he died,
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so I got to see Randy and then weirdes thing happened.
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We get home and I'm living in like Lakeland, Duro
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and Agra and I'm at the bottom by the lake.
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So my parents went and my dad wouldn't see us
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and stuff, and my next door neighbor comes out. She
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sees us with all the Ozzie swag on, and she goes, hey, boys,
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were you just at the Ozzy concert? And we're like yeah,
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and we're like, oh fuck, we're in trouble now. And
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she goes, wait there, I'm gonna get my husband, and
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so we're like, oh crap. Husband comes out, brings us
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up to the house. He had a studio in the
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house wall to walk to set tapes. Turned out he
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was Azsi's promoter. Nice like it was like wild And
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then I did I had a history class at a
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Gora High that the only project we had to do
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was an oral report on anything anybody and I did
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mine on Ozzie and gun A. So the Ozzie runs
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deep here too.
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Yeah, there's just no words, dude.
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Oh I don't even know.
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But really it actually does. I mean, my heart hurts,
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actually you know what I mean, because he has so
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much for me, you know, and so many others. I mean,
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everybody that was so loved, like he was loved dude
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for all his kookiness and all his stuff, like he
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was just accepted in love, like that's a beautiful thing, you.
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Know, totally, Like who would ever imagine, Like even you
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think about him even lasting as long as he did,
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who would Nobody would have ever imagined he lasted as
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long as he did, that all the Shenanigan that he
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got involved in. But I think I know right.
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I love the one story where there was protesters at
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his concert and he was wearing a dress and a
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wig and he got into the crowd and was protesting
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with them, and ship.
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Like, that's so oddsy too, man, Like, it's just so amazing,
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And even right down to the end with the sense
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of humor, you're talking about how funny he was. Like
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I'm sure he saw when Sid proposed to Kelly, but
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before he got it out of his mouth, I was
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he's like, you know, fucking marrying my daughter, Like right
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to oh man, so wild. But I love your concept
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of your music and using that Hyauasca journey because it's
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kind of like music is the best therapy there is
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in my opinion, And so now you're taking everything to
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me that started to heal you and put it into
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your music so we can all heal too.
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That's exactly right, dude, And I love you these last
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two records have really hit harder, way harder than our
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previous things, because everything's a frequency and a vibration, you know,
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and and and people don't know exactly why it might
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be hitting them harder, but it's true. Like my my
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friend calls it medicine music, you know, therapeutic. And the
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way I write shit also for myself, is the reminders
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on how to deal with things, you know what I mean, Like,
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you know, I'm not floating away like Gandhi, and you know,
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the staying in the moment thing is practice just like music,
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just like yoga, you know what I mean. And some
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moments are easier than others and so forth.
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But well, I'm also I'm an evational speaker and I'm
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a firm believer. Like it's it's not easy to be positive,
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like you don't just wake up and you're like that,
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it takes work, you do. It's much easier to be negative,
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you know. For sure.
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Listening to this dude, doctor Joe Dispensa. Have you heard
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of him.
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I've heard the name, but I haven't heard his stuff.
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Amazing dude, Like it's basically rewiring your brain, like you know,
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someone like me who grew up in this abuse verbally abusive,
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physically abusive, you name it, you know home as a child.
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That stuff sticks in your brain, man, like, yeah, told
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you know what I'm saying, Like, you know, I told
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bad things about myself as a kid, and like believed
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that stuff. And I remember one time, you know, this
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therapist was like, you know that's a lie, right, So
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it's love that she's like, I remember, I went to
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say something and I cry because no one ever said
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that to me before. But you know, yeah, it's rewiring.
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This dude, doctor Joe Despense is really great. He talks about,
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you know, rewiring in the power that we have. And
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it's funny because all the things he talks about I
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discovered on my own in the Ayahuasca ceremonies too, you
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know what I mean. And again again, we all know
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these things, but we just forgot, you know, yeah.
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Most yeah, well that's what happens. You know, you go
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through life and all this shit is thrown your way,
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and yeah, you do kind of forget because you get
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caught in the darkness sometimes, right right.
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Yeah, And it's not easy to get out sometimes either,
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you know.
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No, not at all.
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People never do you know kills them.
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Yeah, exactly, which it's a blessing that you found. I
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