Jan. 14, 2025

PipemanRadio Discusses Roadie: My Documentary with TJ Hoffman

TJ Hoffmann is the Owner and creative Director of Iron Sound Productions.

Unapologetically indie, “ROADIE: My Documentary” spans the 20 year career of roadie turned Filmmaker, TJ Hoffmann as he takes you behind the scenes and on the run with...

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TJ Hoffmann is the Owner and creative Director of Iron Sound Productions.

Unapologetically indie, “ROADIE: My Documentary” spans the 20 year career of roadie turned Filmmaker, TJ Hoffmann as he takes you behind the scenes and on the run with rock-n-roll road crews.

Filmed in a handful of countries over the course of ten years, "ROADIE" begins as a quest to find out why anyone would want to become one but over time another narrative is discovered as TJ, the man behind the camera is forced to confront his inner demons.

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Hi, you have done to censure. Wow for you.

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Young wacome of America.

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It's time for the Adventures of Hipeman. I'll te you

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four c Why do com list pomp Beats is number

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one internet radio station. Here's your host, the light Man. Yeah,

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questions probably, Yeah, we're just a little bit. Give me

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a quick synopsis of your day when you get to

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the venue. Okay, I got a serious like, I mean,

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not lying, like what my day consists of what I do.

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This world of that victory Man is this little bubble.

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We can do whatever we want.

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And there's lots of times.

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Where we did.

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The touring world went from a bunch of outlaws to

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totally professional. Everybody's replaceable in this business unless your name's.

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On the ticket. Well sex dog sex sex. When people go, oh,

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you're a roadie, I go yes, but it's not quite

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what you think of this.

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You know, they don't get the glory. But these shows

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wouldn't happen without these guys.

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This is pipe Man here on the Adventures pipe Man

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w four CY Radio. And I'm very excited about the

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next guest for many reasons, but one of the biggest

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reasons is I got this email about the documentary, and

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I was like, now, that's an interview I want to do,

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because that's got to have some really cool stories. Because

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if you're gonna get the best stories, it's gonna be

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from the roadies. So let's welcome to the show, TJ. Hoffman,

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and let's talk about your documentary or my documentary, but

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it's yours, so it's not mine.

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How you doing today, Piper?

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Hey, how's it going?

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Awesome? Thanks?

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So first of all, tell me what how the first

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time you ever rodi? How did that happen?

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Oh? Geez, you know, it was kind of more or

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less some friends of mine, we're working for a local

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band in Jersey, and there was a club, actually a

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couple of clubs at the time, but they had a

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lot of gear. They had like double Marshall stacks, big

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refrigerator cases, and they needed help getting the gear up

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the steps. So more or less was teach, can you

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come help us lug these things up the steps, muscle

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them up and you get to drink for free, and

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then after the show just help them help us carry

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it down. And it was a pretty decent club. It

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was eighties, it was hair bands, it was a lot

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of girls and free beer and I was in.

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So I'm a Jersey boy. Which club was it?

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So it was a club called Sneakers.

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In the day, I remember. I remember that North.

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Jersey and then that led to like Studio One, Cricket Club,

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Birch Hill Club in Ay. You know, it was the

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whole you know, East coast, Central Jersey circuit at the time.

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So here's a trip. Okay. So I grew up. I

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was born New York, grew up in Jersey till nineteen

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eighty when I was about to enter high school and

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my dad comes to me and goes, pack your bags.

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We're moving to California in three days, and so we did.

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And then funny, after high school, I went back to

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Jersey to go to Rutgers and because I missed Jersey

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and and then I'm manager of this place on Route

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nine called Harrows and so yes, I'm very familiar with

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the whole Old Bridge scene there too. But it's interesting

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because for me what happened to me was the first

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show I ever went to in a club in my

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life was at the Roxy on the Sunset Strip. Had

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to be eighty maybe eighty one, and it was Motley

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Crue Wow before they had an album. There wasn't even

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an album yet.

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Cool.

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And I remember going into this club to watch this

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show and I'm like, oh my god, I'm never going

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to a real concert ever again. This is the best

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shit ever.

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Yeah. Yeah.

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And then you walked out of that club and you

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walked up with them, like a whole entourage of the

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fans that were there, and you went up to the

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Rainbow and I was like, I don't know, thirteen fourteen

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and I'm hanging out at the Rainbow with Motley Cruze

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and with Lemmy and Ron Jeremy.

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And as you can imagine, the women that were in

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that in that night.

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Absolutely absolutely so that was stripped for me. You know, ironically,

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there's a club with the Roxy in New Brunswick, That's true.

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And I went to I went to high school in

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New Brunswick and one of my first shows that I

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paid attention to and really got into it was Billy

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Idol and it was at this Rutger Student Center and

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I believe that was eighty five or eighty six, and

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that was my first shock to wow, this is pretty

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fucking cool.

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Right. And then, as you know, and maybe a lot

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of people don't know that are listening or watching like

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I ended up after that show, like going to the

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Sunset Strip all the time, or the Troubadour or the

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country club in Resida, and I would just like offer

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to help and be roadie, just just to be there

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and to go backstage, and like, like, there's so many

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things that I probably don't remember, because you know what

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they say, if you were in the Sunset Strip in

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the eighties and you remember remember it, you weren't really there,

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but it was like, you know, it was so cool.

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I went to Metallica one of their first shows ever

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in la like probably their first like real show ever.

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Same with Slayer, but the Metallica one sits out in

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my mind. I've told the story before, but I think

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it's very apropos for this is so I'm saying out there,

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and the guitarist gets off stage after playing and comes

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up to me, introduces himself and starts talking to me.

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In hand to me, it's business card and it said Metallica,

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Power Metal, Dave Mustain And the next thing I knew,

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me and all my friends were headbanging to Whiplash at

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their house and partying all night long.

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Awesome. That's a great story.

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You know, yes, and I'm sure you have ten million stories.

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That's why I wanted to do this interview, because the

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Roadies definitely have the stories, and then the whole journey

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of your whole career to this day, and then to

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come out with this documentary. I think it's amazing. Now.

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I appreciate that, you know, started as a more or

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less an unscripted type of series that we were pitching

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in the LA scene going back fifteen years or so

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ago already, and I music, television, legal, licensing, the whole

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thing kind of would bang heads constantly, and I had

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a I had a shelf that idea for a little while,

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and in the meantime, I decided if all the footage

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and all the work and money that I put into it,

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I just started to build the documentary. And what I

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wanted to do was paint a picture. And I was

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kind of want to be that Michael Moore type of

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investigative guy that goes to a venue and come follow

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me and let's go see what's going on, you know,

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peek behind the curtain. And as my interviews progressed and

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the story evolved and my story, a lot of my

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footage that I had from the eighties and nineties were

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placeholders as we were, you know, building the timeline of

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the film, and my producer, my editor, Andy Stroll, and

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a couple other guys saw it and said, this is

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the way to go, you know, more TJ in the story.

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And I didn't want that at all. So it evolved

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to what is now my documentary, which you know, as

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you know, in the film business, other things take left

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and right turns constantly. Yeah, just like the music business does.

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And this is the best that I could do at

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the time with what I have. And that's it.

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And you know, I gotta say, like one of the

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things I thought was really cool because it is like that,

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like unlike the debauchery that I experienced when I was

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a teenager of the roadie backstage life. Man, it's such

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a professional industry now. And I thank god you weren't

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there filming me, because I don't want any record of

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anything that went on from at least nineteen eighty to

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nineteen eighty five. Yeah.

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Yeah, the you know, I made this film starting with

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my friends and family and peers in the business. They

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trust me with the camera. I mean, I very easily

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could have made a really smutty film probably made a

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lot of money, but i'd I'd never be involved in

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the music business again. I'd lose a lot of friends,

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and that's not what this was about. So I got

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the trust of my friends and family on the road,

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and they introduced me to other people and more professional

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techs and roadies and tour managers and people in the business.

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That evolved to getting to the level and the access

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that I did. So without that, I don't think I

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could have made this film because nobody really wants to

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hear just my story about me being a punk kid

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from Jersey, carrying you know, cabinets up drinking beer and

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then getting clean on the road, and then you know,

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trying to tell my story. It's not that interesting. But

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the whole encompassing roadie profession I think people are are

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interested in.

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Yeah, because I don't think a lot of people even

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really know what that entails. You know. I think, as

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Eddie Trunk put it, they're like the most important people

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to make the show go down.

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Yeah, Yeah, And that was part of my goal I

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set out to do this, is to really paint a

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pictures so when people pay that money one hundred, two

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hundred and even at festivals now where it could be

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over thousands of dollars to go see a show. They

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have a little better understanding that. You know, it's just

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not the band making millions of dollars, the production aspect

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of it. And these guys are true professionals that earn

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their pay, you know, every single show. You know, these

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tours start months and months before the first concert per

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se in a in a venue or at a theater,

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and you know they're they're leaving their families and wives

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and everything way earlier than the actual in the first show.

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So it's it's a profession that's not for everybody. And

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I wanted to give them accolades and uh and and

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humanize the profession as well.

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And I love that because it is a profession. It's

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a lot of hard work without a lot of accolades.

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And nowadays, okay, like thank god it's professional because what

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went on way back in the eighties probably wouldn't survive

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today because there's no record labels just throwing like millions

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of dollars at these bands to go party, you know nowadays,

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So it's like me, it really did change the image

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of the music and the industry, and I think that's

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pretty cool.

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Yeah, that's another reason that I wanted to tell my

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story of getting clean and getting sober on the road.

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You know, a lot of these guys that have great

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stories and did battle some demons on the road. You know,

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there's still they're still in the business, they're still working,

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so to come out and say that it might have

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tainted some of their future work, right, So I kept

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it as professionals I can with those people, and I'm

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not afraid to tell my story. It's just part of

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my life now. And I hope through this film it

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would paint a picture of the music industry but also

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people that might be struggling about, you know, recovering and

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overdoing it, whether in the music business or not. I

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hope that maybe I could help them a little bit

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as well.

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That's amazing And as we can see in the back

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my background here, you have got received like not only

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you know, mentions of awards, but actually won awards, and

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there's quite a few. So that's pretty amazing. How did

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that feel?

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Yeah, No, that's it was great. So a lot of

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those awards and festivals were for the trailer also, so

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the very first trailer that we did it was kind

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of a mix between the the unscripted series that I

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was producing and the film any interviews. We just threw

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all the stuff together. So I was trying to get

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some some financial help right in the beginning, right, and

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it just took off and it was it was well received,

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and you know, after you get a couple of mentions

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in film festivals or screenings, you know, I started getting

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the calls and then it was okay, I got to

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finish this film. People really want to see what's going on.

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And it was released about five years ago. We debuted

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at the Garden State Film Festival in Asbury Park and

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it won for Best Documentary Homegrown from a Jersey Filmmaker.

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And from there I just entered it in a couple

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of more again with the with the idea of trying

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to get it noticed, because what I really wanted this

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film to be was the pilot episode for a recurring

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series to continue to follow these guys on the road,

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because it's it's it's really interesting, and it's it's pretty

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easy to do from a music guy making a series

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or a TV show, you know, in the Hollywood scene,

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as opposed to a Hollywood guy jumping into the music scene.

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It's always, uh, it's always a difficult thing to take

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direction from.

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Hey listen. It's no different than like when I do

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all these festivals as and I hear other press people

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there that I can totally tell or not metal heads

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when they're interviewing metal bands, and I'm like, man, if

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I were in a band right now, I'd want to

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slip my throat.

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Yeah, I know nothing about the band. They're just there.

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They wanted they got the free pass for the weekend,

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and they're just kind of hanging out. Yeah, I'm with

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you on that.

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That's that's frustrating, right, you know, especially in this genre

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because like it's a passion. We're a family. Like I

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love when people say to me, Okay, I'm fifty eight

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years old, and when people say to me I used

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to like mettle, I'm like, then you didn't like metal,

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Like metal is not something you used to like. It's

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a thing that's in you that never leaves you no

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matter where you head in life.

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That's true. That's true. And the same thing with punk

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rockers and kids and and all that stuff. It's it's

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in your blood.

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No doubt. And that's another thing too. What I am

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really happy about today is I was a long hair

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in the eighties that wanted to go to punk shows

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and couldn't because you'd get your ass beat just you know.

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And it's funny because, like like a couple of years

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ago at Hellfest, I was interviewing Discharge and like, I

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loved you guys my whole life, and this is the

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first time I got to be in one of your pits,

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you know, you know, because you just couldn't do that then.

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So I love how it's come like this the way

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I always thought it was stupid back then because the

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metal heads and the punks, at least in LA we're

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always getting you know, picked on and bullied and beat

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up at school. But yet we were against each other.

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We should have banded together. And it's the same kind

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of similar attitude type of music. So I love that

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here in twenty twenty five, we're all one big, happy family.

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Whether you're hardcore punk metal doesn't matter.

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Yeah, And I think you see that, you know, at

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a lot of the festivals I remember, and you know,

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nineteen ninety nine were I was with Agnostic Front and

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we're playing the smaller stages. But you know, Eminem was

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on that that year Black Eyed Peas. The eclectic mix

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of music, you know, to just to cross pollinate different

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genres was amazing, and I, you know, I think that

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you know, mister Liman did an amazing job in those

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early years of really getting the youth and the kids

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involved in you know, the skateboards and all that stuff

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with you know, and crossing over to different types of

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music for these kids. It was brilliant. And yeah, you said,

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fast forward twenty twenty five. The music really keeps a

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lot of us together, and people really drop a lot

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of the bullshit when it comes to seeing a band, right.

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It brings us all together.

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No doubt. It's so funny. Like just a few days ago,

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Bonneru promoters sent me, you know, stuff for covering it

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and the lineup, and I'm looking at the lineup and

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I don't do Bonneroo because not my like. I won't

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interview bands that I don't like. Okay, that's just dumb.

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My job is to promote it. If I don't like it,

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I can't promote it. So I looked under it. I

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looked at the list. Megadath. I'm like Megadath at Bonnerou.

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That says it all.

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Right there you know, great, that's great.

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I mean you would never imagine then, you know, all

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the Dandy Wimmer festivals here is masterfully like combining genres

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and putting bands together. And then you go to these

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festivals and there's like one hundred thousand people and nobody's

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an outsider. We're all one big family. It doesn't matter

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what we like.

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Absolutely and it goes. That's the same thing with the

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road crews too. A lot of these guys will bounce

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around from from you know, from jazz to some R

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and B and work for many different bands. And that

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another thing too, that just keeps us all together as

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one family. You know. Yeah, there's never a broken bond

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when it comes to music.

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So tell everybody how they can reach out to the

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website socials where they can watch the documentary all that

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good stuff. It's pretty much on everywhere you can watch it.

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Yeah, it pretty much is these days out you know.

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Roadifilm dot com is the website that'll link you to

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all the avenues of where you can watch it. Facebook

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and Instagram is Roadyfilm, and Amazon the easiest way to

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see it right now is on Amazon freeb Nice.

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What would you say is your favorite piece of feedback

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that you got from somebody on this documentary.

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Wow, that's a that's an interesting question because I do

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get a lot of feedback. Very rarely do I get

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something negative.

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I think that's shocking in twenty twenty five, to tell

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the truth, that says a lot about how great it is.

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Yeah, I wanted to be I wanted to I wanted

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to be honest with myself and with the profession. And again,

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you know I said in the movie, I did it

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for a long time, but I did it part time.

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You know, there's guys that spent their whole life out there.

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Those are the guys that really deserve it. But those

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guys that I think maybe could have made a better

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movie and maybe told some things that I missed, can't

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do what I did because they're outworking, right. So I

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got the thank yous from a lot of peers in

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the industry, other roadies and texts that said thank you

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for giving us a light because I can't do it.

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I have to work right. Their tours are ten eleven

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months year. They go home and they want to just

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focus on the family when they're home, so they don't

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have the time. So I think the best you know,

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reward that I got for making this film was just

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that of other you know, real professional roadies and texts

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thanking me for what I was doing, which you know,

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I still get goosebumps to this day with some of

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these guys who were my idols as a roadie. Uh,

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you know, thanking me. So that was pretty cool.

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See, I love it. I was getting goosebumps just here

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and you say it, so I love that. You know,

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what would you say, is there any story, good or bad,

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crazy or not that sticks out in your mind most

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of your whole life? In this music area.

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There's there's so many. It's so blessed and fortunate to

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have experienced what I've experienced. So I, you know, started

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in like the Big Hair I worked for bands, you

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know it was. They were called American Angel They started

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about the same time skid Row did, and they were

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neck and neck for a long time. And then you

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know the story skid Row Doc McGhee and they blew

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up and American Angels stayed in New Jersey and then

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that that kind of imploded. So I saw the metal

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the eighties big hair bands. Then I went to work

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for Mod and Billy Milano right right, over to that

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kind of metal core. You don't have to say anything

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more to Billy Milano, right, he was managing the Elastic Front.

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So then I got to go work in the hardcore scene.

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So I was at CBGB's and the Wetlands and all

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the Lower East Side clubs, and then right to the

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festivals in Europe and I got probably I got a

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whole movie of stigma stories. I could tell you stories

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about any stigma. And then I got working for skid

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Row in ninety nine. They were another called another band

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at the time. And then Snake Rachel and Scottie and

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got a drummer and Johnny Sollinger and we were the

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opening slot on the Kiss tour in two thousand, so

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I went right to Arena rock. So that chapter has

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a bunch of stories, you know, and a lot of

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that I was. I was drinking and drugging during a

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lot of those years. I did a lot of it's sober,

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so it was back and forth. So every tour, every

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you know, venue, every different parts of the world that

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I've been to has a great story.

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Yeah.

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Again, I'm just so blessed and fortunate that I got

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to travel the world. You know, I did I guess

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I got paid because I did bring some money home,

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but it was it was nothing. I didn't even care

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about the money as much as I wanted to just

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be out there and experience life on the road with

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the band.

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Yeah, and it is. It's not cut out for everybody,

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but for the people it is cut out for, it's

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freaking amazing. Like my youngest daughter, I'll bring her sometimes

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to festivals and after the first day, halfway through the

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first she'll be like, Dad, I don't know how you

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do this. Every weekend I'm done, and I'm like, I

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don't know how. I don't you know. It's like right now,

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I'm about to go out and do coverage on ship

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Rocked in a few days. But I've been in the

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off season and I'm kind of like Jones, and I

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don't think I've left my house like most of the month,

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because you know, you know what that feels like.

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Absolutely, And I'll see it on ship Rocked. I'm part

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of the team out there, so I do it every year.

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It's it's it's it keeps me, you know, engaged in

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the scene. And a lot of my friends that not

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only play on the boat but are on the same

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crew of year after year, and towards the end of

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my touring career, you know, I was working for Ignite

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out of Orange County and we were planning tours around

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our vacation time. So it was you know, a festival,

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a couple of clubs, and then Brett would say, we

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got two days off in Vienna and or you know,

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a day off in Paris and we're going to the

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Louver and he worked it in where it was it

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was fun. And when you're touring with a band who

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is your friends, it's it makes it so much easier

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to go away for two, three four weeks at a time.

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So I was I was really blessed to be a

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part of that as well with those guys, and uh,

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there's there's just nothing like it in the world.

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Yeah, I mean, and it is important that your friends

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because like you, spending twenty four to seven on the road,

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you better be really close.

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I said in the movie, you can't. You can't be

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a punisher, you know, especially on a tour bus, you know,

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across America or you know, you go wherever, even in Europe,

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it's it's tight close quarters and your your home is

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a bus and you have to get along with people

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and adapt, and nobody wants to be that guy on

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the road. And I've spent a lot of time, you know,

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interviewing different other texts and roadies, and I would sacrifice

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musical skill or roady capabilities for somebody that I could

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really live with and get along with that didn't, you know,

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drive everybody crazy, and not only me but the band.

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If you have a guy who's just doesn't get along

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with people and is miserable or got problems at home

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or whatever, is always complaining, nobody wants that on the

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team and you know that they gotta go.

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Yeah, I wouldn't want that, not even for five minutes.

459
00:26:38.200 --> 00:26:39.119
Yeah, exactly.

460
00:26:40.599 --> 00:26:43.400
So I have a trivia question for you. Oh boy,

461
00:26:43.680 --> 00:26:46.440
I do this a lot, and it is kind of fun,

462
00:26:47.200 --> 00:26:51.359
and so I'm going to use a little jersey in

463
00:26:51.440 --> 00:26:54.440
it and a little music in it. So I went

464
00:26:54.480 --> 00:26:58.160
to this show at the We used to call it

465
00:26:58.200 --> 00:27:03.640
the pig Pen, but arts Dock Playpen. Okay, that's right.

466
00:27:03.920 --> 00:27:07.279
I lived right by the like right by there, and

467
00:27:08.400 --> 00:27:11.599
at the time I didn't know what I know now,

468
00:27:12.279 --> 00:27:18.720
but there was this band playing there and their name

469
00:27:18.799 --> 00:27:23.680
was Soft White Underbelly. Wow, do you know who that

470
00:27:23.759 --> 00:27:26.839
band is. I do not.

471
00:27:27.160 --> 00:27:30.960
You know, there was a lot of touring bands in

472
00:27:31.000 --> 00:27:34.079
that time. You're like, Edgar Casey was a great cover band.

473
00:27:36.039 --> 00:27:40.039
Xenon came out of that. So I think you're leading

474
00:27:40.079 --> 00:27:42.640
towards that this the name of this band was an

475
00:27:42.759 --> 00:27:45.000
undercover name for a major act.

476
00:27:45.519 --> 00:27:49.720
You are right, And so it was their original name

477
00:27:49.799 --> 00:27:52.079
when they first started, and then they changed it to

478
00:27:52.119 --> 00:27:55.400
the name everybody knows them by. And I didn't even know.

479
00:27:55.440 --> 00:27:58.119
And I walked in there and I heard this song.

480
00:27:58.200 --> 00:28:03.920
I'm like, oh my god, it was Blue Oyster Colt.

481
00:28:04.640 --> 00:28:07.480
Oh wow. See I never would have guessed that right.

482
00:28:09.200 --> 00:28:12.160
And then down here in South Florida, at this girl

483
00:28:12.160 --> 00:28:15.759
who's dating and there's this place down Fort Laurdell. It's

484
00:28:15.799 --> 00:28:20.680
called Cheers, and they have what's called scaraoke there, which

485
00:28:20.720 --> 00:28:24.400
is like punk metal karaoke, but they have live bands there.

486
00:28:24.880 --> 00:28:26.799
And so she's outside the club one night and she

487
00:28:26.839 --> 00:28:31.599
calls me up and she's like, man, there's this Maiden

488
00:28:31.759 --> 00:28:35.400
cover band. They sound exactly like them. And then she

489
00:28:35.559 --> 00:28:38.240
walked in and she calls me back. She's like, it's

490
00:28:38.279 --> 00:28:43.039
fucking them. Oh wow. Because Nico has a restaurant here

491
00:28:43.079 --> 00:28:46.440
in Boca and so before they would go or iron

492
00:28:46.480 --> 00:28:50.279
Man would go out on tour, they would go play

493
00:28:50.759 --> 00:28:54.839
a show like that, and there's some pseudonym as you know,

494
00:28:55.759 --> 00:29:01.359
and it's like this place was smaller and the Troubadour

495
00:29:01.680 --> 00:29:06.119
or CBGB's or Lamor's or any of those places, and

496
00:29:06.160 --> 00:29:09.039
they were playing there, but you wouldn't know. You would

497
00:29:09.079 --> 00:29:12.119
just of course again it'd be like, oh my god.

498
00:29:12.880 --> 00:29:15.440
That's great for the band, that's great for press. It's

499
00:29:15.480 --> 00:29:17.440
a nightmare for the roadie. I'll tell you that.

500
00:29:17.599 --> 00:29:20.680
I'm sure it is. I'm sure it is. And I

501
00:29:21.119 --> 00:29:23.559
tend to think with the bands maybe they kind of

502
00:29:23.640 --> 00:29:27.799
like it because it's our only like connection back to

503
00:29:27.880 --> 00:29:31.680
old times playing clubs and having that intimate thing going on.

504
00:29:32.200 --> 00:29:34.359
Yeah, you know, Motley just did those couple of days

505
00:29:34.359 --> 00:29:37.400
at the Whiskey, you know, bringing it back, and uh

506
00:29:38.359 --> 00:29:41.640
I I went through all the phases. So I saw

507
00:29:41.680 --> 00:29:44.839
the club scene. You know, I've been in VFW halls

508
00:29:44.880 --> 00:29:48.400
and played for the seventy five kids, and then you

509
00:29:48.400 --> 00:29:52.799
know Lowlands in Europe and rock am Ring and all

510
00:29:52.799 --> 00:29:55.440
these Dynamo, the big giant festivals where it's one hundred

511
00:29:55.480 --> 00:29:59.279
thousand plus. Yeah, there's nothing like the intimate shows where

512
00:29:59.279 --> 00:30:02.240
you're no doubt really part of the crowd and you

513
00:30:02.240 --> 00:30:05.319
know you're getting beers thrown at you, you're that close

514
00:30:05.359 --> 00:30:07.759
to smell their breath type of thing. You know.

515
00:30:08.359 --> 00:30:12.680
Yeah, totally like that. So is there anything else you

516
00:30:12.720 --> 00:30:16.000
want to let the viewers and listeners know before you

517
00:30:16.079 --> 00:30:18.119
go that we haven't covered already?

518
00:30:18.640 --> 00:30:21.319
Oh jeez, I you know. I think that if you're

519
00:30:21.559 --> 00:30:24.480
curious about the profession, or you're not sure, or you're

520
00:30:24.480 --> 00:30:28.759
a little bit curious about me, go to Amazon. It's free,

521
00:30:29.359 --> 00:30:31.079
and after seven minutes, if you don't want to hear

522
00:30:31.119 --> 00:30:33.480
my mouth, you can always just change the channel.

523
00:30:34.680 --> 00:30:36.759
Let me tell you something, They're not going to change

524
00:30:36.759 --> 00:30:41.240
it after seven minutes. It's an amazing documentary, and I

525
00:30:41.319 --> 00:30:45.000
love the inside view that you give that nobody has

526
00:30:45.079 --> 00:30:49.839
really given before, and giving all the important people that

527
00:30:50.119 --> 00:30:53.680
a voice that really don't usually have a voice. They're

528
00:30:53.880 --> 00:30:57.559
they're the behind the scenes people that make it all happen.

529
00:30:57.599 --> 00:30:59.880
Without them, there are no shows.

530
00:31:00.599 --> 00:31:03.000
That's true. That's true, and I think there's a lot

531
00:31:03.000 --> 00:31:05.480
of these bands will be the first to admit that

532
00:31:05.559 --> 00:31:08.079
and give kudos to their crew.

533
00:31:08.400 --> 00:31:12.319
They work hard, absolutely, and that's why I thank somebody

534
00:31:12.400 --> 00:31:16.240
like you, because you've made it possible, and people like

535
00:31:16.279 --> 00:31:19.519
you have made it possible for all of us to

536
00:31:19.759 --> 00:31:23.559
enjoy live music. And to me, live music's the best

537
00:31:23.599 --> 00:31:27.920
therapy there is. And so thank god we have everybody

538
00:31:28.160 --> 00:31:33.960
that's involved in a live show from wherever part they are.

539
00:31:34.920 --> 00:31:38.640
And thank you for making this documentary because I gotta

540
00:31:38.680 --> 00:31:43.319
tell you, it's amazing, and I think everybody will more

541
00:31:43.440 --> 00:31:47.000
appreciate all that goes into a live show and maybe

542
00:31:47.039 --> 00:31:48.240
stop bitching about it.

543
00:31:49.000 --> 00:31:52.680
Yeah we lis. I appreciate your time and for having

544
00:31:52.680 --> 00:31:55.440
me and letting me, letting me talk my shit here

545
00:31:55.480 --> 00:32:00.160
a little bit. Much appreciated, Piper always, and I'll are

546
00:32:00.200 --> 00:32:02.920
you on ship Rocked Yes see you in a couple

547
00:32:03.200 --> 00:32:04.039
next week. Wow.

548
00:32:04.559 --> 00:32:07.400
Yeah, it's not not even a week like we're leaving

549
00:32:07.440 --> 00:32:08.359
this coming weekend.

550
00:32:08.880 --> 00:32:12.359
Yeah, that's right. Who goes fast there it is. Thank

551
00:32:12.359 --> 00:32:17.039
you so much, my friend, you got it. Cheers. Thank

552
00:32:17.079 --> 00:32:22.359
you for listening to the Adventures of Patemn on w

553
00:32:23.000 --> 00:32:25.000
for c u I Radio.