Nov. 2, 2025

PipemanRadio Interviews AITTALA About Isolation of Ill-Gotten Gains

PipemanRadio Interviews AITTALA About Isolation of Ill-Gotten Gains

N.C. Doomers AITTALA Reveal New Music Video “Isolation” Doomed & Stoned Debuts Six full-lengths, two EPs, strong and steady since 2008. Dang. What keeps North Carolina trio AITTALA going? Sheer compulsion for music making is my guess. There’s...

N.C. Doomers AITTALA Reveal New Music Video “Isolation”
Doomed & Stoned Debuts

Six full-lengths, two EPs, strong and steady since 2008. Dang. What keeps North Carolina trio AITTALA going? Sheer compulsion for music making is my guess. There’s nothing like the experience of the real thing, despite the obscene ease and seductive sophistication of AI fakery. To hear and feel heavy music live from their minds and voices and hands of real human beings just like you – well, there’s just nothing like it. Bands with stubborn longevity like Aittala serve as an inspiration to the scene. Pick up an instrument, get to jamming, let your voice be heard.

If this is your first encounter with the band, perhaps “Isolation” is as good an introduction as any. Mysterious strumming, powerful emphatic chords, and wall-shaking disruption clears the path for soulful, soaring guitar soloing and somber Gothic intonations.

The words are relatable to everyone who has felt isolation in the wake of family breakdown, fallen idols, and the loss of true community. We are increasingly siloed into a lonely, virtual existence, housed conveniently in cages of wood and plastic and concrete, subsisting on artificial, processed, and packaged goods churned out by humanless factories. It’s a nightmare that H.G. Wells, Orwell, and Huxley hinted at but could have scarcely envisioned in its nihilistic, nightmarish reality.
Lyrics are stained with regret, lamenting a life devoid of meaning, where technology has eclipsed talent. The machine has been slowly replacing us all for generations, now accelerating humanity into the unknown. With little to believe in and reality on a shakey basis, more and more people are wondering, “What’s the point?” and losing themselves in a soul-crushing death spiral of drugs, alcohol, greed, violence, debauchery, and inevitable madness.

Born with an expiration date
Blessed with the curse you cannot escape
The taste is so bitter sweet
When you learn you’ve become obsolete

Aittala sees clearly in these desperate times, which makes their sound all the more compelling. Witness the gravity and might of “Isolation” now, as Doomed & Stoned brings you its world premiere. It comes from their new EP, “Ill-Gotten Gains’ (2025), available soon on Exitus Stratagem Records

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Hi, you love done to censure for wow for you young.

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This is the pipe Man here on the Adventures of

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Pipe Man W four c Y Radio. And I'm here

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with our next guest who has some pure new music

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and what a long history and I love that. So

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let's welcome to the show. Eric from Aler, Thank you,

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thanks for Did I do it right?

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Yeah, you pronounced it right. It's I know, it is difficult,

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it's finish, and so people in America really don't get it.

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So when I'm in Europe, people pronounce it correctly because

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I guess they just see the letters different there. Yeah,

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they're just speaking English right as a second language. They

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get it right.

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There you go. So I want to start off from

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the very beginning. So you started to saying way back

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in the previous century. Yes, and you're American, but you

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started it in the Netherlands, one of my favorite places

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in the world, by the way. And so had that

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come about that American would start a band in the Netherlands.

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Well, because I was in the military a long long

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time ago and I was stationed in the Netherlands. So

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that's how that's why I was there.

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Well, thank you for your service.

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Well I appreciate that years ago.

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Yeah, my son's been in the army for almost twenties,

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like a half a year away from retirement.

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Oh that's awesome.

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Yeah, yeah, And he never went to anotherlands. I'm gonna

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have to tell him, like, hey, idiot, why are you

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getting going to Somalia when you could have been stationed

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in the Netherlands.

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There wasn't a lot of army facilities in the Netherlands.

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There weren't Germany, though, so I'm surprised in twenty years

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he usually did. Oh he did go to Germany.

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Yeah, he was stationed there for three years. And my

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daughter and my daughter herd ex husband when they were married,

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they were in Germany for three years too. That's like that,

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that's the place everybody's got go. But he went to

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Germany a rock Kuwait, South Korea twice, Somalia a couple

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of times because he's sigh up. So they dropped him

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out of a plane and said, we'll see in six

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months and if you get caught, we don't know you.

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Good luck. Well luckily, I mean I was only in

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for five years, and I was stationed in Japan before that,

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so I had kind of a cushy wheat assignments. Plus

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I was in the Air Force and if people know

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or don't know, they call it the chair Force. Not

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quite real military, but it gets the job done. I mean,

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I was happy to be in the military. I had

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a good time.

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Hey, listen, if I always said when I was younger,

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if I joined the military, would be the Air Force,

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because I don't know, it just seemed cool.

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It is a little easier. You're not sleeping intense for

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the most part in the middle of the desert, right

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they are. They're air conditioned.

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Hey that wow, that shocks me right there, you know.

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So do you think being in the Netherlands is what

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kind of created your sound? You know, it's a different

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vibe over there.

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Well, I would say, you know, the songs the original

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incarnation of the band was playing were actually songs that

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I started writing in Japan. So I can't say it

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influenced anything in particular, just because the basis of the

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songs we started playing were written before I got there. Right,

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So the idea, you know, we were forming a band.

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Originally it was going to be like a cover band,

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and then we you know, I so it was an

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American singer. I wasn't the singer at the time, so

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I was an American singer and we had, you know,

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we were he was his wife was in the military,

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so he was over there. And then we were trying

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to you know, form a band, and initially we were

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going to do a cover band, you know, just to

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play out, and then we you know, I was writing originals,

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so we so we were like, well, let's just learn

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some of my originals as kind of a starting point,

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and then it kind of just rolled from there. And

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then we were looking for a band name, and we

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came up you know, any band. Even I feel sorry

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for bands i'd have to name a band today, but

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even back then, trying to find a band name was impossible.

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And one of them was more Big Curiosity. Somebody came

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up with and we were like, that sounds cool, but

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that sounds more death metal. So the singer just said,

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you know, hey, you know, it wasn't my idea, right,

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I didn't want to call it, but the singer was like, well,

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let's use Ila. You know, you're writing the songs and

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nobody else has that name, and so we just kind

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of went with that, and so that was the original incarnation.

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I was around about a year and a half. You know,

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then I got out of the military, and then my

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idea was, or my hope was, oh, I'm going to

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go back to the States or get back to the States,

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and I'm going to reform another version of the band.

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And that never really happened until two thousand and eight. Wow,

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But I wasn't I was always writing songs in the background,

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and I was always you know, with the intent of

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recording them someday. But my goal really at that time

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was to get into a band that was more of

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like a kiss, meaning you had multiple singers, you know,

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and so you could be a little more kind of

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dynamic and what you're doing, or you know, even like

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a night Ranger where we have two guys singing lead,

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and those bands that were more versatile that I looked

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at it. Back then, I always wanted to be in

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a band with two guitar players and a keyboard player

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and a bass player and the drummer. But you know,

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after I moved to North Carolina in two thousand, I

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was in a few bands and you know, someone were cool,

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but they'd had the same thing. I would join another

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band and was already exit that existed, and then we play,

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you know, practice, and by the time it was on

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the write and record, the band would implode. And I

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just got kind of tired of that. After three times

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I think that I was in those situations and I said,

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I'm just going to focus on my stuff and you know,

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just have my resurrect ititla again. And so we've been

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kind of steady since two thousand and eight.

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Nice, you know. And it's funny. We were talking about

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my son because he's home. Bass has been Fort Bragg

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for his whole career, so he's in Vietnam.

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I'm about hour away. So I've played in Fayteville many times. Right,

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That's part of our music scene in this area is Fayetteville.

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I would imagine. So, hey, did you know okay? Because

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I do, uh, I do coverage a whole bunch of festivals,

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but at all the Danny Wimmer festivals, there's a band

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that plays that is a constant, you know, changing of

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the guards I speak. But it's it's an army band.

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That's a job in the army. I told my son,

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you're a schmuck. You took this job. You could have

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had a band man.

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But every every branch has a band like that because

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I remember, long story short is when I was in

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the Air Force, I had one job and I didn't

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like it, so I kind of failed out of the

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school on purpose. But I was looking at the job choices,

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and they actually had a job that was lighting and

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sound for the Air Force band. But what they do

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is they just have this thing called MWR. You might

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be familiar. It's Moral Recreate, Moral Welfare and Recreation, and

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so they have sort of this thing where MWR will

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put on these shows and sometimes the military bands will

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travel around. Sometimes you can do it as a temporary duty,

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meaning they'll take you out of your regular job. And

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then I knew a woman who was a really good

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singer and they took her out of her regular job

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because she's saying so well, just so she could tour

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the different military bases. But then you have kind of

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the main musicians and you'll see that like when you

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watch a football game or something. They have the guys

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in the military, you know, playing the regular what we

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think is a marching band stuff, you know, but they

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also have a rock band ironically, so where they'll play

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more modern music or more you know, kind of rock

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based stuff. So people who are Lucky who are really

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good musicians. You know, if you like being a musician

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and like serving your country and getting a decent paycheck.

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It's not the greatest, but you know that has a

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way to do it.

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Yeah, you know this band they play at all the

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Danny Wimmer festivals, which are basically metal and hard rock festivals,

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and I'm like, man, they if I knew they had

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that way back, Glenn, I would join the Army.

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Well, you definitely got to be a real good musician,

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like sight reading, and even if you're just playing well

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maybe for metal or something or more rock based, still

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take a little lesser educated musician. But you know, I

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kind of had an interest in the Air Force band,

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but I wasn't quite the virtuoso. I couldn't read and

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write music or you know, things like that. So I'm

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just a dumb metal guitar player. I tell people I

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play metal because I'm not good enough to play anything else.

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Because if you know you're a musician, you know basic

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rock stuff. I mean, it can't get complex with you know,

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scales and stuff. But most people who play metal guitar

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aren't probably good at any other type of music.

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Well, you know, it's funny because you mentioned scales, and

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when I was playing guitar as a teenager, I quit

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playing guitar because I was sick of having the practice scales.

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I'm like, just let me play man, how this ship's

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boring me?

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Well, but those are the skills you know that you

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developed to help you get right.

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You're a dumb teenager. You want it tomorrow, you don't

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want you don't think of, oh, I may have to

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learn the basics first. You know, I can't just get

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up and be Eddie van Hallen.

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Right. Well, I'm surprised you didn't switch the bass, because

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that's what most frustrated that guitar players do, is like, ah,

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this stuff's too hard. I'll switch the bass, because you know,

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that's even easier to play rocks in eric eighties where

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you're just riding a or the e and you're not

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really doing too much involved musically unless you're like, you know,

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a Geezer butler, which don't seem to exist much anymore.

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Those types of really good musicians on bass.

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Or I talk about a lot with people that are

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bassist Paul McCartney because he was a guitarist that had

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to play bass because there was already three of them

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playing guitar, so he drew the show straw.

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And he's a really good bass player, though. I mean,

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there are people who can play bass. There are guitar

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players that play bass or that you can tell, and

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then there are real bass players. So I mean, and

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up to my own horn, because I play a bass

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on a lot of the material. I don't mean to,

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but it seems like by the time we're going to

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record something, we don't have a bass player. Again, for

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whatever reason, bass players are the flakiest people, but I

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get a lot of compliments. They're like, Wow, it's a

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really good bass line. Who wrote that bass line? You know,

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because I try to do something complimentary to the guitar

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and not just play the root note, which is sort

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of the Black Sabbathy Geezer Butler kind of thing where

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you're you know, you're really carrying the song below the rhythm,

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but not just copying the rhythm.

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Right totally well. And I have the utmost respect for

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people like you that will play both instruments, because you know,

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it is kind of difficult, I think, even in your head,

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like to switch zones from guitars to bassis to whatever

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else you play. You know, it's like a different mindset

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or a different brain part of your brain and you

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have to kind of switch it.

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are virtuosos on several instruments, wind instruments, string instruments. It's

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like to me similarly, it's almost like speaking other languages.

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I've tried to learn other languages and my brain doesn't

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function that way. I don't get it, Like I was

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pretty good at Japanese, but I did. I had to

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think about it. Like there are some people either they

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have the capacity or they were born, you know, into

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different cultures where they had to learn Spanish or French,

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can just switch on and off. Like to me, that

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would be like playing guitar and then going and play

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like clarinet, like right right things. But they're just brain

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just because like oh I'm holding the clarinet now, now

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I can play a clarinet or I think clarinet's this.

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With And I played a bunch of instruments and sucked

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at all of them, probably because I didn't perfect any

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of them. So I was just fuck messing up on

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all of them, right, And you know, speaking languages, I

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get what you're saying, because, like I speak Spanish. I

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took seven years of Spanish. But when I'm not using it,

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I'm not good at Like I got Costa Rica a lot,

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and after I'm there for a while, then it starts,

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it starts coming back. But you have to think in

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the language you're speaking. And I think that's the same

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maybe with instruments too, Like if you're sitting there in

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your head and trying to translate everything from English to

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whatever language, you're not gonna be fluent no matter what.

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You have to actually like think in that language. And

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then you were in the Netherlands. To me, Dutch is

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one of the hardest languages. In fact, all the people

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I know there too, they're like, yeah, most Dutch people

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can't even speak it properly.

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Right, Well, here's the thing about Holland, right, or you

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know the Netherlands, however you refer to it officially, it's

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the Netherlands. But I was lazy. I was a lazy American.

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But all Dutch people speak English. They learned five languages

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in school, right, because they're Dutch English. Because they're next

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to the UK German because they're next to Germany, Spanish

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because they go on vacation in Spain, and French because

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they're near France, and so you know, it's ingrained into

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their brain. And you know, in Japan, nobody, if you

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went off base, nobody spoke English. I mean, Japanese people

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rarely speak you'll find anybody else speak a little bit

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of English. But in Holland, the Netherlands, anybody speaks English,

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especially younger people would be more fluent. And funny enough,

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I had a guy, he was the manager of the

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band when I was there, pseudo manager, but he spoke

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English so well. One time we were at a music

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store and then he was speaking to me in English,

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and then he spoke to the guy in Dutch the

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music store, and the guy at the music store thought

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he was an American who spoke Dutch. Wow, oh dummy,

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I'm Dutch. But he told me the way he learned English,

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this is kind of funny. The way he learned English

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is so fluently is from watching then the nuances of English,

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you know, and those little things like sarcasm. People really

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have a problem with that. Aren't American or really learned English?

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Is he watched nine o two one zero at Dutch

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TB and then he watched the Chuck Willery's Dating Game.

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So that's why that's so funny.

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That's how he honed his English skills to be a

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perfect English speaker. Well when he was speaking English, because

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if you spoke to him, you wouldn't know he was Dutch, right,

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he didn't have that accent.

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Wow, that's amazing man. And you know, it's funny that

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you mentioned that because a lot of Europeans, I know,

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they watch a lot of English television so they can

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get better at English because our language is difficult because

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there's so many rule rules that don't that you break

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exceptions to the rule, you know, like instead of the rule.

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So it's like I feel like if I didn't have

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that as my native language, I wouldn't understand most Americans,

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especially like you're talking about certain things like sarcasm, Like

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you cannot explain sarcasm to somebody.

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get it right. It's so nuanced and double on time.

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We have so many double entendres, right, and it can

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be just inflection using a word, and how you inflect

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it changes the meaning totally, totally.

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So now in twenty twenty five, you have this new

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EP coming out, Ill Gotten Games, right, that's so descriptive

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of today, by the way, I love that title. And

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so what's different Now? What do you think has evolved

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for you as a songwriter, musician, band, et cetera.

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I mean, I would say over the years. Initially, like

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when I was younger and was writing songs, I was

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more influenced. I was young, so it was the late eighties,

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so the more Metallica e thing. You know, everybody love

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Metallica if you play guitar, and so I would say

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my songwriting was more influenced by Metallica, and I was

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more of a storyteller, kind of sometimes overbloated lyrics of

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a story, Like I would think of a story like

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a main character in my head, I would write a

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story around it. But then as I got older, as

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I'm getting older, and the songs would be super long too,

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write you know, Metallica type things five six, seven minutes.

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And now I understand being older, I sort of turned

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in from a turned in evolved from like early Metallica

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to black album Metallica. But you know I say that

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in more editing of the songs, shorter songs, songs that

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get to the point faster and less about storytelling but

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more about themes. Yeah, the theme of the song is

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this not necessarily here's the eggs Zac story and a

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little more obscure with lyric writing and not so obvious.

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So I think that's how it's evolved. And you know,

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I would say we were more The music was more

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regular heavy metals so to speak. I don't know what

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to describe it, but now we're more the iles sound

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is more doomy. A lot of people have called this

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eclected doom, which I think is cool, cool, uh descriptor

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so I kind of go with that. I mean, I

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just call it heavy metal, but our metal. But people

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love to call like the all the sub sub genre.

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Out there nuts right. It strives me so nuts. When

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I go on tour and I do coverage at these festivals,

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one of the things I do to be funny is

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during the interview, I'll have the band if they were

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going to design their own genre for just their band,

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what would they call it? Because it is that ridiculous

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nowadays that there's so many sub and micro genres that

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Jesus like every band has its own genre pretty much.

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Right well, And I'd say I don't know if any

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I've never heard of any of the band say they're

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a collectic doom. So the income that came from a

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guy that originally I heard it from a guy We

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were doing some stuff in Europe, a little tour, and

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the tour manager I was talking to him. He was

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just like, I think you guys are like a collectic.

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You're not quite doom, but it's doomy stuff. So I

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think a colectic doom. And he was a German guy,

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so I thought I was a good description. Then a

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couple other people over the years I just ironically said

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it as well, and I said, Okay, I like that

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eclectic doom kind of thing.

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I do like that. That's a cool like if you're

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gonna make a new genre name, I think that's a

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cool one. It just sounds cool. I think people too.

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It leaves a little to the imagination where people are

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getting like, well, what would that be? Let me go

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listen to it?

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Right, And it's especially prevalent in our new single that's

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out now from Ill Gotten Gains called Isolation.

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Yes, tell us about that too, because that name to

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me now I might put a different mean to it,

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which is what a great song would be that has

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a shitload of meaning to me.

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That song, well, I mean, I don't really have some

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magical story other than I thought it sounded cool, Like

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I was just you know again, I write more obscure

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now and I just write. I hear phrases, and I'll

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jot down phrases and then when I start to put

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them together and sort of themes to create songs. I

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don't know where I heard it, but I heard ill

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Gotten Gains. I was like, I got to use that again,

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and so they just kind of evolved from there. As

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you know, the title track is ill Gotten Gains. And

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you know, I don't really have a good story around

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I wish I was trying. My brain was kind of

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like what can I create? Look, it just sounded cool,

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like every you know, what are ill gotten gains? Well,

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there are things that people acquire in nefarious ways, you.

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Know, I think it all gotten gains and isolation just

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describes the last five years of our world.

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Yeah, you know, some of it is you know again

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the theme theme themetrically, No, that's not the right word.

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You know. The themes are about those kinds of things, right,

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the carryover from COVID a little bit, but you know,

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basic stuff about you know, what's going on in the world,

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you know, influenced by that things you see on the news.

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I don't like to write direct things anymore. Like I said,

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I like to keep it kind of high level, and

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it leaves more the interpretation to the listener to listen

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to the lyrics and say, well, this is what I

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got out of it. And you know, it's funny how

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people quick story of from a long time ago. I

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had a song and somebody found it on the internet

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and we were talking to I don't know, I don't

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even know how we got in contact. But she told

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me I was wrong because she said, oh, your song

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is about this. I can't remember of the song. And

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I said, well, no, well, I said, that's a great interpretation,

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but just so you know the writing process, you know,

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here's the story what was in my head at the time.

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And then she said, no, you're wrong. I said, wow,

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I mean, you tell the guy who you know made

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the hot dog. I know it's in the hot dog,

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but if he if you taste different ingredients, that's fine.

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But to tell the guy who made the hot dog

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his recipe.

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I know, right, you used.

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I thought that was just kind of funny. I said, well, okay,

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I mean you're a listener. You can you can have

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anything that you want be the the you know, be

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the meaning of that song.

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Yeah. And you know, I think that's where you're smart

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in your songwriting now, because I think the key to

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a good song is as a specific meaning to you.

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But that doesn't mean it's the same meaning to other people.

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And when they put their own interpretation to it, they

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can kind of you know, they connect to the song,

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you know, opposed to like this other story you're talking

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about that person saying you're wrong. Well, first of all, yeah,

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you're right. What an idiot just to be blunt? You know,

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how could you be wrong? You're the author? Okay, But

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you know if that person took a different approach to it,

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like oh wow, I didn't think of it that way.

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I had this way of thinking, and then it's like, well,

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that's the way a good song should be. I interpreted

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as the listener the way I want, But that doesn't

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mean it discounts what the songwriter was actually meaning exactly.

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And if you're good at writing songs, or if you're

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conscious about it, you write songs that are more timeless

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and not reference certain you know, whatever's currents in vernacular

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at the time, and you know, I think that comes

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across better. I mean, you know, I love some rap

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and hip hop, but you know they'll always still win

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certain references and you're like, oh, that's specific to this year.

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But if you write a good song, it's timeless and

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it doesn't lend itself to any time period. And then

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a good example is the last EP. We had another

445
00:24:04.720 --> 00:24:08.359
EP out earlier this year in April called Machines, and

446
00:24:08.400 --> 00:24:11.119
that was all songs I had written in the nineties.

447
00:24:11.240 --> 00:24:13.400
It was like four songs, and I thought, Okay, those

448
00:24:13.400 --> 00:24:14.920
are good songs. I want to put them out, but

449
00:24:14.960 --> 00:24:18.359
as a collection, which kind of shows the evolution of

450
00:24:18.400 --> 00:24:21.279
the songwriting. Because if you listen to Machines back to

451
00:24:21.359 --> 00:24:24.319
back with Ill Gotten Gains when it comes out in November,

452
00:24:24.640 --> 00:24:28.079
you know, you'll definitely hear two different styles of music.

453
00:24:28.519 --> 00:24:31.480
But we had some good reviews that came out, you know,

454
00:24:31.519 --> 00:24:33.799
when they listened to Machines, but they said, you know,

455
00:24:33.880 --> 00:24:37.559
even though these songs were written in the nineties, you know,

456
00:24:37.559 --> 00:24:40.200
they still sound current or they could be written current,

457
00:24:40.319 --> 00:24:43.799
They could be current in you know, listening to them now,

458
00:24:44.160 --> 00:24:47.000
you wouldn't know when they were written, because you know,

459
00:24:47.400 --> 00:24:51.240
they're not specifically written enough where you go like, oh,

460
00:24:51.279 --> 00:24:54.599
that's automatically you know, from nineteen eighty five or whatever.

461
00:24:55.160 --> 00:24:58.000
See. I love that you mentioned that, because I talk

462
00:24:58.039 --> 00:25:01.720
about a lot too nowadays that it's so weird to

463
00:25:01.759 --> 00:25:07.000
me that songs in the eighties are so relevant today

464
00:25:07.039 --> 00:25:09.039
in two twenty five. But all you'd have to do

465
00:25:09.160 --> 00:25:11.480
is change some of the names in it, you know,

466
00:25:11.599 --> 00:25:15.279
and like if those names maybe were left out back

467
00:25:15.319 --> 00:25:19.000
then they would be more timeless. Like you take songs

468
00:25:19.079 --> 00:25:23.880
like that were about Reagan could easily substitute Trump in there,

469
00:25:24.359 --> 00:25:26.599
you know in some of the songs. You know, not

470
00:25:26.720 --> 00:25:29.240
that they're the same person, they're the same politician, but

471
00:25:29.960 --> 00:25:33.599
similar things, you know. So if you like kind of

472
00:25:33.680 --> 00:25:36.680
left the name now, people kids today would be like,

473
00:25:36.799 --> 00:25:39.599
oh my god, that's how's that song about today? It

474
00:25:39.680 --> 00:25:42.880
was written back in the eighties, right. Well.

475
00:25:42.960 --> 00:25:44.599
The problem with the eighties though, when you listen to

476
00:25:44.640 --> 00:25:48.200
a lot of eighties middle in particular the production right

477
00:25:48.279 --> 00:25:52.279
the gated snare is a dead giveaway. And this I

478
00:25:52.279 --> 00:25:54.640
don't know why they didn't record well in the eighties

479
00:25:54.640 --> 00:25:56.799
because that was for some reason. You know, you listen

480
00:25:56.839 --> 00:25:59.400
to some seventies albums, or you listen to Back in Black,

481
00:25:59.400 --> 00:26:01.680
you're like, oh my god, that album sounds so huge,

482
00:26:02.039 --> 00:26:05.240
even like well, Mutt Lang, you know, also did High

483
00:26:05.240 --> 00:26:08.000
and Dry by Death Leopard, But some of the albums

484
00:26:08.039 --> 00:26:10.400
were so big sounding. And then the eighties came and

485
00:26:10.440 --> 00:26:12.519
I don't know what the style of production happened. It

486
00:26:12.559 --> 00:26:16.559
went to garbage because you had these all these compressed

487
00:26:16.640 --> 00:26:19.559
drums and terrible guitar sounds. For the most part. I mean,

488
00:26:19.559 --> 00:26:22.920
there's some albums that stand out, but that eighties really

489
00:26:22.960 --> 00:26:25.960
suffered from production issues. And then the two thousands or

490
00:26:26.039 --> 00:26:30.160
late nineties when they started brickwalling everything and mastering, that's

491
00:26:30.200 --> 00:26:32.160
another time period. You listen to it and go like

492
00:26:32.359 --> 00:26:36.160
that sounds like crap because they brickwall mastered it because

493
00:26:36.160 --> 00:26:38.000
they thought it had to be as loud as possible

494
00:26:38.000 --> 00:26:40.599
with no dynamics. And I think people were getting away

495
00:26:41.039 --> 00:26:45.640
kind of from that now, so things are hopefully things

496
00:26:45.640 --> 00:26:46.799
will be more timeless.

497
00:26:47.119 --> 00:26:50.279
I think kind of reasons is somebody that was totally

498
00:26:51.079 --> 00:26:54.880
immersed in the eighties metal scene, like I was that

499
00:26:55.200 --> 00:26:59.200
slayer in Matawica's first shows ever, you know. And you know,

500
00:26:59.720 --> 00:27:02.920
I think the way we were and I think the

501
00:27:02.960 --> 00:27:07.519
bands were appealing to us is all we wanted was loud,

502
00:27:07.559 --> 00:27:09.960
heavy and fast, the heavier and the faster, and we

503
00:27:10.000 --> 00:27:13.039
didn't really give a crap about sound quality, at least

504
00:27:13.599 --> 00:27:15.519
the attendees, the teenagers.

505
00:27:15.680 --> 00:27:15.920
You know.

506
00:27:16.079 --> 00:27:19.519
It's like, oh, you know, there's some songs I listen

507
00:27:19.599 --> 00:27:22.880
to now that absolutely love back then and I still

508
00:27:22.960 --> 00:27:28.319
like him, but I'm like, oh, wow, that production is horrific,

509
00:27:28.559 --> 00:27:31.480
you know type of thing, you know, But I think

510
00:27:31.519 --> 00:27:34.519
it was on purpose. Perfect example I like to bring

511
00:27:34.599 --> 00:27:42.359
up is Hatfield. Okay, his voice. I love his original voice.

512
00:27:42.720 --> 00:27:45.759
He hates it. He hates it because he said, like

513
00:27:45.839 --> 00:27:49.119
he says, they play Seeking Destroy at the San Jose

514
00:27:49.359 --> 00:27:53.319
Sharks games. He goes, why don't they play the remastered

515
00:27:53.359 --> 00:27:56.279
one instead of the original one. I didn't even know

516
00:27:56.359 --> 00:27:59.400
how to sing then I sucked. Now I know how

517
00:27:59.440 --> 00:28:01.799
to sing, you know, type of thing. And then, in

518
00:28:01.880 --> 00:28:04.559
reference what you're talking about, the Black album me and

519
00:28:05.000 --> 00:28:07.920
you know, the hard tour, Metallica fans like the twenty

520
00:28:07.960 --> 00:28:11.880
five of us from the beginning when that album came out,

521
00:28:12.000 --> 00:28:16.519
we were all like posers, sellouts, fuck then blah blah blah.

522
00:28:16.559 --> 00:28:19.640
But meanwhile, the reason Metallica is one of the biggest

523
00:28:19.680 --> 00:28:23.599
mel bands ever now is because of the production of

524
00:28:23.640 --> 00:28:26.839
that album. It might be that the songs are good,

525
00:28:27.440 --> 00:28:30.200
they are good. I love the songs, but the production

526
00:28:30.359 --> 00:28:31.599
value was so much better.

527
00:28:31.680 --> 00:28:35.319
To your point, true, So I think we can thank

528
00:28:35.359 --> 00:28:38.519
Cliff passing Away for the Black album because I don't

529
00:28:38.519 --> 00:28:40.799
think Cliff would have let them, you know, become what

530
00:28:40.880 --> 00:28:45.240
they became. Unfortunately, no, they wouldn't, but you never know, right,

531
00:28:45.400 --> 00:28:47.160
I was just in fact I read it. I was

532
00:28:47.240 --> 00:28:50.759
just telling I had an opinion that had Metallica not

533
00:28:50.920 --> 00:28:54.319
met Cliff and stayed on the kill them All kind

534
00:28:54.359 --> 00:28:58.119
of trajectory, they would have just been another Testament or

535
00:28:58.240 --> 00:29:00.640
another you know exit.

536
00:29:00.720 --> 00:29:02.640
Totally totally right.

537
00:29:02.720 --> 00:29:05.599
Cliff made them what they were what they became, because

538
00:29:06.519 --> 00:29:09.319
Kill Them All and Ride the Lightning are two different bands, right,

539
00:29:09.799 --> 00:29:11.480
There's no way you listen to those back to back

540
00:29:11.519 --> 00:29:14.119
and go, well, those are the same exact guys who

541
00:29:14.119 --> 00:29:16.319
wrote the album, because it's not it's Cliff coming in

542
00:29:16.400 --> 00:29:19.359
and making them more melodic. But that was sort of

543
00:29:19.480 --> 00:29:21.839
you know, their shift and I don't even think they're

544
00:29:21.839 --> 00:29:23.680
really they keep calling them the big one of the

545
00:29:23.680 --> 00:29:25.960
Big four. I don't even think they're a thrash band.

546
00:29:26.440 --> 00:29:29.720
Not anymore really, And I'm a total thrash metal head.

547
00:29:29.759 --> 00:29:37.079
But there's some thrash songs, you know. But originally it's

548
00:29:37.160 --> 00:29:40.599
funny because originally they were considered power metal, which makes

549
00:29:40.640 --> 00:29:43.359
me laugh too, because Kill Them All Days was not

550
00:29:43.519 --> 00:29:45.839
power metal, but there was no such thing as thrash.

551
00:29:46.279 --> 00:29:49.039
But to your point, me and my friends when Ride

552
00:29:49.039 --> 00:29:52.480
the Lightning came out, we always said, if you took

553
00:29:52.559 --> 00:29:54.880
fight fire with Fire and brought off of Ride the

554
00:29:54.960 --> 00:29:57.160
Lightning and put it on Kill Them All, and took

555
00:29:57.240 --> 00:29:59.039
Jumping the Fire off of Kill the Mall and put

556
00:29:59.079 --> 00:30:01.440
it on Ride the Lightning, Kill Mal's the best band

557
00:30:02.599 --> 00:30:06.079
record ever, you know. And that's what we say back then.

558
00:30:06.519 --> 00:30:09.519
So that's to your point, because that's probably the least

559
00:30:09.640 --> 00:30:13.720
melodic of all the songs on Ride the Lightning and

560
00:30:14.920 --> 00:30:18.559
Jumping the Fire is the least thrashy of all the

561
00:30:18.599 --> 00:30:19.519
songs on Kill Mal.

562
00:30:20.359 --> 00:30:21.799
Yeah, yeah, i'd agree with that.

563
00:30:23.079 --> 00:30:28.519
And so I think you evolve as a musician like

564
00:30:28.640 --> 00:30:32.920
you have. You know, It's like I was one of

565
00:30:32.960 --> 00:30:34.839
those people while I was young, But then you get

566
00:30:34.839 --> 00:30:38.880
older and realize, like your favorite bands, you don't want

567
00:30:38.880 --> 00:30:41.960
them to stay garage bands even though you think you do.

568
00:30:42.440 --> 00:30:46.119
Like if you have respect for the musician, because the

569
00:30:46.240 --> 00:30:49.240
musician learns their craft more, and if you were playing

570
00:30:49.279 --> 00:30:52.319
in twenty twenty five the exact same way you were

571
00:30:52.680 --> 00:30:56.400
in nineteen ninety one, how much did you learn about

572
00:30:56.440 --> 00:30:58.240
your craft and how much did you evolve?

573
00:30:59.000 --> 00:31:02.079
That's why double edged Sword because bands that we love

574
00:31:02.200 --> 00:31:06.279
and Metallica is a great example, who likes really anything

575
00:31:06.319 --> 00:31:11.440
After the Whack album and Load and reload, they're okay,

576
00:31:11.480 --> 00:31:16.319
but then at saying anger and then they you know,

577
00:31:16.440 --> 00:31:18.319
you don't listen. You don't go like, wow, I can't

578
00:31:18.319 --> 00:31:20.880
wait to hear them play a song off seventy two

579
00:31:20.920 --> 00:31:24.799
Seasons or Hardwired for Self Destruction right when.

580
00:31:24.599 --> 00:31:27.559
You just Hardwired, that's a thrash that should be un

581
00:31:27.640 --> 00:31:28.160
kill them all.

582
00:31:29.039 --> 00:31:31.799
But I'm just saying in general, Yeah, there's a time

583
00:31:31.920 --> 00:31:35.119
period that your band has a shelf life and you

584
00:31:35.559 --> 00:31:37.559
whether it be because you were in high school during

585
00:31:37.599 --> 00:31:40.519
that time, or you're in your twenties or whenever, there's

586
00:31:40.559 --> 00:31:44.079
always seems to be a cutoff that says your favorite band,

587
00:31:44.599 --> 00:31:47.599
if they have new material, it's probably not going to

588
00:31:47.640 --> 00:31:49.039
be as good or you're not going to give it

589
00:31:49.119 --> 00:31:52.119
as the chance you should, even though it could be better.

590
00:31:52.200 --> 00:31:54.920
I could be way better than their first album. But

591
00:31:55.279 --> 00:31:59.440
because your life identified like my life identified, you know,

592
00:32:00.400 --> 00:32:03.279
you know, up to the really up to the black album, right,

593
00:32:03.319 --> 00:32:04.880
and that's where I really like them. I mean, I

594
00:32:04.880 --> 00:32:07.559
think Death Magnetic was pretty good, and I still listen

595
00:32:07.599 --> 00:32:09.880
to that. But if you're gonna give me a choice

596
00:32:09.880 --> 00:32:13.319
of Death Magnetic and Ride the Lightning or Master Puppets,

597
00:32:13.359 --> 00:32:15.319
I'm gonna go back and listen to those. And that's

598
00:32:15.319 --> 00:32:18.000
what people want to hear live. So bands are in

599
00:32:18.000 --> 00:32:22.039
this weird situation in general. Right. Of course, I'm not

600
00:32:22.240 --> 00:32:25.160
in a band that's famous enough to be pigeonholed yet,

601
00:32:25.200 --> 00:32:27.640
and I probably never will be because it's the reality

602
00:32:27.680 --> 00:32:32.119
of today's Internet culture. And you know so many bands

603
00:32:32.119 --> 00:32:36.119
out there. But you know, any band that comes out,

604
00:32:36.160 --> 00:32:38.599
they're just gonna be stuck in a rut at some point.

605
00:32:38.680 --> 00:32:40.799
And I don't want to say they're gonna be a

606
00:32:41.000 --> 00:32:43.960
nostalgia act, but people are going to hear you play

607
00:32:44.039 --> 00:32:46.279
the songs that they want to hear you play, they

608
00:32:46.319 --> 00:32:48.920
don't want to hear. Oh there's the new album and

609
00:32:48.960 --> 00:32:51.519
it's you know, take a piss break kind of songs

610
00:32:51.519 --> 00:32:53.319
that people will put that like, oh yeah, I'm glad

611
00:32:53.319 --> 00:32:55.160
they play new songs, so I could, you know, go

612
00:32:55.240 --> 00:32:58.319
use the bathroom, which is a sad thing, right, because

613
00:32:58.319 --> 00:33:00.960
you're a fan, you should like everything or give it

614
00:33:01.000 --> 00:33:03.440
a chance. But sometimes people just like I just want

615
00:33:03.480 --> 00:33:06.359
to see the first three albums, and that's it.

616
00:33:06.359 --> 00:33:10.079
It's so true because to your point, even specifically with Metallica,

617
00:33:10.240 --> 00:33:12.519
like I could listen to Kill Them All every day,

618
00:33:13.160 --> 00:33:17.640
no matter what, you know. But other albums, like you

619
00:33:17.680 --> 00:33:21.079
said passed the Black album, I like a couple songs

620
00:33:21.119 --> 00:33:24.119
on it, but I won't listen to the album per

621
00:33:24.160 --> 00:33:27.640
se regular I'll listen to those songs, or like with

622
00:33:27.759 --> 00:33:31.319
seventy two Seasons, which there's good songs on there. But

623
00:33:31.519 --> 00:33:33.759
when it first came out and they had that thing

624
00:33:33.839 --> 00:33:36.599
in the movie theaters, I decided to go because like,

625
00:33:37.400 --> 00:33:40.880
they're in my top five for you know, for forty

626
00:33:40.960 --> 00:33:44.839
five years, you know, And I went to this thing

627
00:33:45.519 --> 00:33:48.400
where I was like, what, you know, they played the

628
00:33:48.480 --> 00:33:53.319
whole album and I was bored, Like and for me

629
00:33:53.440 --> 00:33:57.599
to say I'm bored with Metallica. That says. That says

630
00:33:57.599 --> 00:33:59.599
a lot. And it's not that there weren't good songs

631
00:33:59.599 --> 00:34:03.599
on there, just it's not that that same feeling like

632
00:34:03.680 --> 00:34:04.880
whiplash gives.

633
00:34:04.599 --> 00:34:08.079
You real because you're not you're not fifteen anymore discovering

634
00:34:08.119 --> 00:34:10.800
it for the first time. Right, You're not a virgin anymore.

635
00:34:10.559 --> 00:34:13.280
There was a time when you had virginity to certain things,

636
00:34:13.719 --> 00:34:15.719
and then you lost it, and then you get kind

637
00:34:15.719 --> 00:34:17.159
of used to it and you're like, well, this is

638
00:34:17.199 --> 00:34:20.440
still good, but it's not as good as I remember

639
00:34:20.840 --> 00:34:23.679
when you're still trying to chase the dragon and get

640
00:34:23.679 --> 00:34:26.960
that feeling again. But it's also them changing as well,

641
00:34:27.000 --> 00:34:31.039
where I don't think their thrashy stuff feels as organic.

642
00:34:31.519 --> 00:34:34.719
And for some reason they have Metallica. Sorry Metallica, they

643
00:34:34.719 --> 00:34:37.599
have the shittiest guitar tone, which I don't understand. It's

644
00:34:37.639 --> 00:34:40.519
not it's so thin for some reason, I don't know why,

645
00:34:40.760 --> 00:34:43.880
Like they got the best money production. You think the

646
00:34:43.920 --> 00:34:47.480
guitars are to be the best sounding metal guitars ever,

647
00:34:47.599 --> 00:34:50.119
like the Black album guitar sound, and then I listened

648
00:34:50.119 --> 00:34:53.199
to it and go like it doesn't sound the guitars

649
00:34:53.239 --> 00:34:56.440
just don't like even the new Judas, the newer Judas

650
00:34:56.440 --> 00:34:59.880
Priest album whatever, Shield that was really good. I had

651
00:34:59.880 --> 00:35:03.400
a great guitar sounds, and I'm like, just you know,

652
00:35:03.480 --> 00:35:06.599
you have the ability and the money to have the

653
00:35:06.679 --> 00:35:10.159
production that you want, and it just sounds meh when

654
00:35:10.199 --> 00:35:11.639
it comes to the guitar sounds.

655
00:35:12.039 --> 00:35:15.719
Yeah, it's weird too, right, Like you would think, like

656
00:35:15.760 --> 00:35:18.480
you're saying, if they had all kinds of money to

657
00:35:18.559 --> 00:35:21.079
spend on it, that you would get the best production

658
00:35:21.199 --> 00:35:22.280
and the best sound ever.

659
00:35:22.880 --> 00:35:24.000
They need Bob rock back.

660
00:35:24.719 --> 00:35:30.519
There you go. That's the key right there. And so

661
00:35:30.599 --> 00:35:33.000
tell us what else you got coming up? You got

662
00:35:33.000 --> 00:35:37.119
the album drop in November here, well the EP album

663
00:35:37.320 --> 00:35:42.760
I call everything albums, yeah, and anything else moving forward

664
00:35:42.840 --> 00:35:46.199
that people have to look for for you guys, I think.

665
00:35:46.039 --> 00:35:49.880
That's November twenty second it comes out. There's gonna be

666
00:35:49.920 --> 00:35:52.360
a video for ill Gotten Gains coming out that day,

667
00:35:52.400 --> 00:35:55.920
a lyric video. Another video is already in that can

668
00:35:56.320 --> 00:35:59.679
for I can't even think of the song. One of

669
00:35:59.679 --> 00:36:04.239
the others songs is gonna come out in December, oh

670
00:36:04.280 --> 00:36:07.239
ever after and then we're gonna be shooting another video

671
00:36:07.719 --> 00:36:11.599
in December it'll come probably come out in February, so

672
00:36:11.639 --> 00:36:14.719
we'll have like four videos from a five song EP.

673
00:36:15.920 --> 00:36:17.440
You know, they're just fun to do, and you know,

674
00:36:17.480 --> 00:36:20.159
the two videos are ill gotten gains and ever after

675
00:36:20.360 --> 00:36:24.760
our lyric kind of animated videos. That guy did a

676
00:36:24.800 --> 00:36:27.440
really good job, so you know, look out for those,

677
00:36:28.039 --> 00:36:30.599
you know, and we just it took us two years

678
00:36:30.719 --> 00:36:33.000
basically to find a permanent bass player. We had been

679
00:36:33.119 --> 00:36:37.159
using a filling guy for a while because we wanted

680
00:36:37.199 --> 00:36:39.639
to find the right permantent guy. And you know, the

681
00:36:39.679 --> 00:36:41.719
filling guy was too busy because he's in some other

682
00:36:41.760 --> 00:36:44.119
bands and so you know, we played shows here and there.

683
00:36:44.159 --> 00:36:47.280
But about a couple of months ago we finally and

684
00:36:47.320 --> 00:36:50.119
we haven't announced him yet, so pretty soon we're gonna

685
00:36:50.119 --> 00:36:53.199
be taking pics next week in November, and we're gonna

686
00:36:53.199 --> 00:36:57.079
be you know, finally officially posting welcome to the family,

687
00:36:57.119 --> 00:36:59.559
to the new guy. So and then then we can

688
00:36:59.559 --> 00:37:03.280
start booking regularly. So so hopefully in twenty twenty six,

689
00:37:03.679 --> 00:37:05.440
you know, will be a lot busier. We had played

690
00:37:05.480 --> 00:37:08.440
like a handful of shows that came to me and

691
00:37:08.480 --> 00:37:11.760
then you know, the people reach out to me and say, hey,

692
00:37:11.800 --> 00:37:13.719
can you play the show, and so we were able

693
00:37:13.719 --> 00:37:16.400
to do you know, probably five in the last two years,

694
00:37:16.719 --> 00:37:19.559
which isn't a lot. But again, we wanted to find

695
00:37:19.559 --> 00:37:22.800
the right bass where it's yeah, when you're when you're older,

696
00:37:23.119 --> 00:37:25.360
you just don't want a guy, you just don't want

697
00:37:25.360 --> 00:37:27.280
to hang out with a guy just because you want

698
00:37:27.280 --> 00:37:28.960
to find some of the gels. And we found a

699
00:37:29.000 --> 00:37:33.519
perfect guy, same age bracket, same background. Like he came

700
00:37:33.559 --> 00:37:35.159
in and I was like, oh, this guy, this guy

701
00:37:35.239 --> 00:37:38.079
is the guy, right, So it works, and it makes

702
00:37:38.159 --> 00:37:41.280
it so much easier when somebody has a similar background

703
00:37:41.360 --> 00:37:45.679
and similar thought processes to work in. And it ironically

704
00:37:45.719 --> 00:37:48.760
he's learned all the songs the way they were originally

705
00:37:48.960 --> 00:37:51.199
played on the album, and I'm like, oh my god,

706
00:37:51.199 --> 00:37:54.360
I haven't heard that baseline like that since I wrote

707
00:37:54.400 --> 00:37:57.360
it and recorded it, because he's taken the time to

708
00:37:57.400 --> 00:38:00.920
actually learn the material. Because I give bass player's leeway

709
00:38:01.000 --> 00:38:02.960
like hey, just play, you know, let's play what you want.

710
00:38:03.320 --> 00:38:06.039
It's the root notes, and he took the time to

711
00:38:06.039 --> 00:38:09.039
actually learn some some of the more intricate stuff and

712
00:38:09.079 --> 00:38:12.079
I was like, oh, that's awesome. So yeah, so that's

713
00:38:12.119 --> 00:38:14.679
that's kind of what's coming up right, new EP new video,

714
00:38:14.800 --> 00:38:17.800
I mean release of the EPE new videos. Pricey U

715
00:38:17.800 --> 00:38:20.119
is playing out more so that's that's our goal.

716
00:38:21.000 --> 00:38:22.800
There you go. Well, I hope I see you at

717
00:38:22.840 --> 00:38:25.599
the DWP festivals in twenty twenty six.

718
00:38:26.039 --> 00:38:27.960
Okay, I don't know what those are, but I hope

719
00:38:27.960 --> 00:38:28.440
we see here.

720
00:38:29.039 --> 00:38:30.519
They're the big US ones.

721
00:38:30.880 --> 00:38:33.199
Oh okay, well that is that the production company.

722
00:38:33.639 --> 00:38:39.599
That's yeah, DWP, Danny Wimmer, he does Aftershock, Louder than Life, Incarceration,

723
00:38:40.800 --> 00:38:43.039
Sonic Temple, Welcome to Rockville.

724
00:38:43.719 --> 00:38:47.239
Okay, well, we probably won't see you there, but we're

725
00:38:47.280 --> 00:38:50.760
playing at two in the afternoon on the Wednesday before

726
00:38:50.800 --> 00:38:55.679
it starts on Friday or something.

727
00:38:55.920 --> 00:38:59.679
You never know. You never know. We've had bands that

728
00:39:00.320 --> 00:39:03.480
these festivals that actually crashed, like the old School Punk

729
00:39:03.519 --> 00:39:06.000
thing crashed the festival and played in the parking lot,

730
00:39:06.039 --> 00:39:08.760
and then Wimmer saw him and instead of kicking them out,

731
00:39:08.800 --> 00:39:12.960
he put them on stage the next day. Yeah, you

732
00:39:13.079 --> 00:39:15.360
never know. So I'm putting the vibe out there for you.

733
00:39:15.599 --> 00:39:17.199
Okay, I'm accepting it.

734
00:39:17.679 --> 00:39:22.440
There you go. Well, tell everybody how they can reach

735
00:39:22.440 --> 00:39:25.280
out to you guys on the internet on socials, get

736
00:39:25.280 --> 00:39:27.559
the new album and drops all that good stuff.

737
00:39:28.360 --> 00:39:30.000
Well, I mean it's going to be in all the

738
00:39:30.039 --> 00:39:34.039
regular places, right Spotify, any streaming service, it's gonna be everywhere,

739
00:39:34.639 --> 00:39:37.079
you know, wherever you get your music. As far as

740
00:39:37.159 --> 00:39:41.360
getting a hold of us, you know, it's a I

741
00:39:41.519 --> 00:39:43.760
T T A L A. I mean, hopefully you'll have

742
00:39:43.800 --> 00:39:46.480
some links with this, you know, but really, you know,

743
00:39:46.480 --> 00:39:51.480
we're Itler Music on you know the big ones like YouTube, Instagram, TikTok,

744
00:39:53.119 --> 00:39:59.360
Facebook and if anybody uses Facebook anymore. Butler Music is

745
00:39:59.400 --> 00:40:02.079
our ore us her name. And if you go to

746
00:40:02.119 --> 00:40:05.480
Eitler dot com, you know you'll find our website, even

747
00:40:05.480 --> 00:40:07.000
tho I don't keep it up to date as much,

748
00:40:07.039 --> 00:40:09.480
but you know you can find their basic links off there.

749
00:40:09.599 --> 00:40:12.920
So that's you know, the usual places that people can

750
00:40:13.119 --> 00:40:15.239
easily find us. But make sure you spell it right

751
00:40:15.280 --> 00:40:17.480
because if you misspell it a little bit, it's going

752
00:40:17.559 --> 00:40:19.880
to redirect you to Attila, which.

753
00:40:19.840 --> 00:40:21.880
I was gonna just say that was the one that

754
00:40:21.920 --> 00:40:22.760
went in my head.

755
00:40:23.719 --> 00:40:25.920
Well, and that's what we get mixed up with Attila.

756
00:40:26.519 --> 00:40:29.280
And actually, if you go to Metal Sucks and look

757
00:40:29.320 --> 00:40:32.400
at their archives, they did a story about Eitler versus Attila,

758
00:40:32.880 --> 00:40:37.079
and their conclusion with was both bands sucked equally, and

759
00:40:37.119 --> 00:40:42.000
I was like, Okay, I'll accept that.

760
00:40:42.000 --> 00:40:45.440
That's funny. Well, see, now you should do a tour

761
00:40:45.760 --> 00:40:49.199
like Contact Fronds and do a tour with both bands.

762
00:40:50.800 --> 00:40:53.440
Well, they are a little a lot different and they've

763
00:40:53.440 --> 00:40:56.800
they've definitely changed their sound over the years too, so

764
00:40:58.079 --> 00:41:00.079
I was surprised that they're still around, but they're I

765
00:41:00.400 --> 00:41:02.679
think they're more of an electronic death metal man. Now,

766
00:41:03.039 --> 00:41:04.760
you know, they don't seem to have as many people

767
00:41:04.760 --> 00:41:07.599
in the band anymore. But we digress. You know, we

768
00:41:07.639 --> 00:41:10.079
want to still talk aboutlaw as we're closing.

769
00:41:09.719 --> 00:41:14.639
This out, no doubt, no doubt. So aler get the

770
00:41:14.719 --> 00:41:17.760
album or you can't listen to my show exactly.

771
00:41:18.239 --> 00:41:20.159
He's gonna hold he's gonna hold you hostage.

772
00:41:20.360 --> 00:41:23.280
That's right. Well, thanks a lot for making us great

773
00:41:23.400 --> 00:41:25.599
music and thanks for being on the Adventures of pipe Man.

774
00:41:25.840 --> 00:41:28.119
Well thanks pipe Man, appreciate it. Hope to be back.

775
00:41:30.239 --> 00:41:34.360
Thank you for listening to the Adventures of pipe Man.

776
00:41:35.000 --> 00:41:38.480
I'm w for CUI Radio.