July 9, 2025

PipemanRadio Interviews BLOOD OF LIONS Hard Rock Rebirth w Purpose & Power

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Jonathan Lee of BLOOD OF LIONS – A Hard Rock Rebirth With Purpose and Power

Empires & Built For The Moment

Pipeman Radio talks with Jonathan Lee of BLOOD OF LIONS – A Hard Rock Rebirth With Purpose and Power Jonathan Lee got close to a major label deal with his band NOVUS FOLIUM and their breakup prior to signing it sent him into seclusion. After nearly a decade away from music, he returns with Blood of Lions, a project born from personal reckoning and creative catharsis.

Working with producer Cory Brunnemann and drummer Patrick Madsen, Lee crafted songs that speak directly to struggle and strength, including the singles “Built For The Moment” and “Empires (Beauty In The Ashes).”

With a newly solidified lineup featuring Joel Karschner (Mind Incision, The Crimson Red) and Dan Johnson (Red, Love & Death), the band channels thunderous riffs, soaring vocals, and stories that hit hard and heal deeper. Blood of Lions is hard rock with real emotional weight, connecting with fans who say, “This song was written for me.”

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next guest that has some badass new music and long

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awaited I must say, so, let's walk. Welcome to the show.

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Jonathan Lee of Blood of Lions.

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How are you hey, I'm doing good. Thanks for having

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me by man.

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Hey my pleasure. So ten years of seclusion, that's something

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I would do, actually and have been known to do.

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I don't know if I've done it for ten years yet,

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but I've been known to go into seclusion and disappear

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quite a few times in my lifetime for months, sometimes

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maybe a year or two at a time. You know,

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sometimes it's what you need to really like, just cut

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out all the outside chatter and clear your mind and

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bring that creativity back.

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Yeah, honestly, I feel like even though the ten years

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was really tough because I was miserable not making music,

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and that was kind of the reality that set in.

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Ten years later, it was like, that's the missing link

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I started creating again that you realize that's the missing link.

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But it was definitely one of those things where I

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needed to cut it out of my life in order

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to heal from what I experienced with the way the

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last band broke down, and also to just refocus my

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energy on things that were important to me in life,

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which was my son and you know, surrounding him with

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a healthy family. And it was just one of those

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things where I said, I can either keep pushing and

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banging my head against the wall right now, or I

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can really invest in the thing that's right in front

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of me that means the world to me. And so

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I chose to redirect my energy. And I feel like

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the music that I'm creating now is more authentic, real,

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and just emotionally charged than anything I've ever created before.

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And I find that to be true for the simple

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reason that when you're in the moment of all the

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you know, stuff going on, like you never really people

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don't realize artists don't have the chance to jump off

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the hamster wheel and really assess where they want to go.

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They know where they want to go in the very

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beginning when you're young and know nothing, and then you're

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put on this train that doesn't stop anywhere, you know,

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So sometimes you do need that reset by yourself, like

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I said before, without the outside chower and focus on

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other things so that you have the appreciation of the

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music later. And I even say not missing out on things,

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you know, cause like I was very involved in the

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music scene and then I left that scene and I

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started a family, and then I focus on my family,

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and it says the kids, you know, were grown and

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on their way, then I could go back to being

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that music person again, but with a different passion and

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a different love for it.

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One hundred percent could not align more with you. I mean,

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you're right. I mean my first trip down the musical road,

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which was a good let's see, sixteen years straight of

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making music, was I'm going to make this my career.

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This is going to happen. There's no doubt about it.

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This is what I was born to do. And that

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was the drive, you know, I felt like it was

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the passion. It was the calling. It was what I

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was built to do. I still feel that, but that's

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not why I'm doing it now.

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I'm literally doing it because I need to do it.

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I need the therapeutic outlet. I have to speak about

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the things going on in my life in an artistic

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way and deliver messages and lessons that might actually impact

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somebody else's life in a positive way. And you know, honestly,

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I'm not even doing it because I want to this time.

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It's a necessity for me, like I mentioned, but also

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my wife has pushed me into it.

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And not allowed me to stop.

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And without her and a couple other voices in my life,

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I wouldn't even have stepped into creating the first couple.

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Songs that you've heard.

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Nice.

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So it's just it's been a it's been a trip,

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my man. It's been a.

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Trip, I'm sure. And I love hearing the support that

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you're getting because that's what people need. Sometimes it's the

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other way around, and I think almost that taking the

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time out allows those people that want to support you

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to support you, because I think it's harder when you're

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in the whole mix of everything in the beginning and

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the craziness and you know now you not only do

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you need it, but I think you can handle it.

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Is also the other thing.

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Yeah, you know, and it's it is an anomaly. I

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mean everybody that I tell the story too of my

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wife saying, hey, we don't have the money to to

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pay for the studio time, but book it. This is

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what you're supposed to do. God's going to provide. They're going,

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this is that's crazy, and it is right because you know,

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that's a woman who wants stability telling me, in an

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unstable environment, make a choice that could leave us even

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more unstable, because in the long run, it's.

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The right one.

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And I mean everything in me told me not the

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right decision. You shouldn't be doing this. And there's been

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you know, there have been times where I went, wow,

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that was definitely the wrong decision. We're still struggling, and

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then it turns around and there's breakthrough and you go, Okay,

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maybe I got ahead of myself. So you know, that

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support has been an anomaly that I've experienced, and I

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think many musicians and many people that have been in

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the music industry would say, usually it's not that supportive.

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Usually it's the wives or the girlfriends going, hey, if

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you don't make it by now, you're dropping this because

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this is time and money and effort and our family

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deserves you, or you know, you should put your efforts

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into something else that's actually going to have a return

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on investment. And that's just not been the case, and

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I'm super grateful for it.

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I think it's super important no matter one industry you're in.

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I even look at I could take a movie like

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Rocky Okay, and even though it's a movie, just a

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concept of it is he would have never won the

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heavyweight championship without Adrian, you know, and you know there's

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so many stories like that, and that's it's really. It

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gives you a whole different enthusiasm and motivation when you

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have that kind of support. And then you talk about therapy,

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and I always talk about how music is the best therapy,

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whether you're the artist like yourself or me the listener,

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because I mean, even the songs that you wrote now

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they mean something to you, but to the listener they

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it might mean something totally different, but still have the

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same result that therapy. And I think those couple of

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years of COVID lockdown is why everybody's so miserable and

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angry because they didn't have that outlet of music.

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Yeah, I one percent agree Again, I mean to be honest,

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I've been read in a book for I started writing

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in about six months before COVID ever hit on the

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toxicity of some of our American cultures to the family

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environment and bring development and children, and how connection is

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the most important piece of human existence. Food and water,

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safety and shelter can be provided, but if you don't

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have love and support, then you will still perish. You'll

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end up with chronic disease, mental health issues, you will

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die at some point if you do not have human connection.

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It's just facts, studies that have been done. So COVID

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and then my book I actually said I wouldn't be

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surprised if there's like a pandemic where we're isolated, for

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it to be a litmus test to see how much

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this damages people and you know, and what it causes

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in the mental health issue, and then how controllable we

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are after that, because if you're emotionally on tilt, you're

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extremely controllable, and you know you can be influenced easy.

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So you know, COVID I felt put all that on

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on steroids. It took our mental health issues and put

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them on steroids, because, like you said, people then weren't

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able to go face to face with their therapist. They

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had to do telehealth. They weren't able to see people

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face to face. They weren't able to connect with a

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crowd that feels the same thing or energy or is

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feeling that therapeutic release through music at a concert like

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they wanted to. They couldn't go gather at churches to

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build the community. It was completely destroyed.

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The one and.

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Single most vital part of our existence was taken and

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stripped away from us. And I truly believe that is

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why we're seeing a revival in rock and roll and

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metal right now. Is whenever rock and roll and metal

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has been big, it has been during angst filled times

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where there was instability and uncertainty, and COVID was the

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biggest point in anybody's life of that, I think, besides

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the wars that we were in through history. And now

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people are going, well where do I put this energy?

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Where do I You know, I can throw it on

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my therapist once a week, but I need another outlet.

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I can't just talk for an hour and that's it.

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And people are going out and metal has a revival.

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I'm watching teenage kids wear corn shirts, deftone shirts and

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you know, Slipknot shirts around the school and say that

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they love this music that I was raised on when

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I was in high school. And I'm going, wait a second,

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what's happening here? This was a bead for like twenty years,

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you know, like we were drowning in an ocean of

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music and nobody cared to throw us a life preserver,

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you know. And yet here we are with the generation

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of kids who went through COVID, who are filled with

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angst and uncertainty and instability and wondering where I place

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this energy. And rock and metal has been that revival

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that I've seen for them, and it's been beautiful totally.

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And like I go on tour and do radio coverage

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at music festivals, all the major rock metal festivals. Just

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got back from Europe from you know, Hellfest and Download

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and Resurrection Fest, and man, there is no other feeling

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like being in that crowd and the vibe and your

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one big family. That's the thing. All the problems and

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bullshit going on in the world, it doesn't even exist there.

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And then as to your point, Okay, So I wasn't

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able to make it for back to the beginning. So

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I watched a live stream not the same, and it

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was cool and all, but it wasn't I could imagine

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what I would have been feeling like there opposed to

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just watching it, you know. And then to your point

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with the kids, it's like, oh my god, I can't

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believe all these kids are sitting there singing Sabbath and

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Ozzy songs like I mean, listen, I got introduced to

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Sabbath when I was, you know, like in seventh grade

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or like back in like the set in the late seventies,

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you know. And to see kids now in twenty twenty five,

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like tearing up because it's Ozzie's last show, that just

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blows my mind.

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It's wild and I I love seeing it because it

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shows that the music that we're creating in this genre

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is absolutely doing what we've always thought it could do,

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which is having a timeless and lifetime impact on people

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for generations to come. And I've always described it to

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people like I analyze everything. I'm an overanalyzer in my

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brain is constantly working and I'm always looking at what's

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the pattern, what's the you know what's really underlying, And

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you know, I took a look at this and I'm like,

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why is it metal and rock that's revival right now

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amidst all this chaos and this uncertainty and instability. And

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you know, there's tons of music, tons of music that

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affects you. But pop is on the decline. You know,

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R and B and hip hop around the decline. Country

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and rock are on the rise. Why and I went, man,

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They're just so much more raw and real with what

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you write about. And then when it comes to rock

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and metal, I don't think there's another genre of music

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where every single emotion or feeling or experience can be

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talked about and it's never judged. You can feel joy

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through metal music. You can feel disdained through metal music,

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you can feel hatred through metal music, you can feel

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love through metal music, and that can all be in

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one song, with the yeah delivered and the dynamics of

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that song and the way that the vocalists delivered those melodies.

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So it's I feel like it's the only genre that

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gives you that landscape of wide open freedom of emotional delivery.

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And that's just kind of what I've boiled it down

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to and.

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I even go to the point of like, there's no

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better place the lecto of all your negative emotions.

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But in the pit, oh man, it was the most

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healing thing in my life Maschwitz when I discovered them.

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So my cousin was eight years older than me.

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He was a big punk rocker, like ghetto punk or

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got a punk stuff in Los Angeles in the in

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the hard rock and punk scene in LA in the nineties,

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and so it was flurish in the nineties. I mean

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we had everybody, we had No Effects and Bad Religion

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and and you know, Good Riddance and all these bands

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that were just blowing up in this punk rock scene.

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And there was a lot of California punk rock and

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hardcore being thrown in there. So he would take me,

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as an eight year old two of the shows and introduce.

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Me to these things.

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And so at ten, I got my first mash Pit

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at a Bad Religion concert. And I was a pretty

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strong kid, and I always liked the challenge. And I

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saw the biggest, baddest, most muscular dude in there, and

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we went straight at each other like bull rushed each other,

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and he rocked my world and my cousin went over

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and he picked me up and he looked at the

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guy and he goes, okay, now me and you go,

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and they went at each other and they rocked each

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other's world, hugged it out, and then they both grabbed

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me in the center and a three man piece went

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around the pit and I went, WHOA, this is amazing.

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We can actually like be physical with one another and

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get our anger and our angst and our hurt out

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on one another towards one another. But we understand that

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it's healthy. We're not doing this to hurt each other.

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And if we did hurt each other, we loved each other.

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We picked each other up and we said, hey, bro, sorry,

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let's go get you some help. And then we went

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back in the pit. But it was the most healing

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place for me because there was so much turmoil and

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trauma and abuse and aks going on inside of my

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home that that mosh pit was where I could literally

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let out the moms that was angry and hurt and

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wanted to just roar. And I'll tell anybody who who's

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going through it, you know, any teenage you know, young

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man or even young woman who's going through it. If

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you want to release your anger. Yeah they have, you know,

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they've got these anger or rage rooms nowadays, right, but

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there's nothing, nothing compares to amash pit because.

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Yeah, it's real, man, and it really does stop you

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from going out in the real world and hurting somebody.

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Yeah, and you get love on the back end of it.

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You don't just get left with Oh I just released

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all this negative energy and broke a bunch of stuff.

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Okay, now what do I do with it?

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Right, somebody goes, hey, bro, I see you, and you're

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You're amazing and you're worthy. I'm gonna love you, bro. Yeah,

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all that rage and anger I saw on you. Thanks

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for letting it out here. We appreciate you, We love you.

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It's just different. I mean, until you experience it, you

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don't know. And my dad, oh my gosh. The first

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time I took my dad to a metal show was

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at the Roxy and we went to see seven Dust

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I think was playing This is back in like early

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two thousands.

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I believe that's who it was.

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And I told him, I said, hey, I'm gonna jump

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in the mosh pit, and he's like, what those guys

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are like way bigger than you. I'm like, no, you

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don't understand. I've been doing this since I was ten.

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I'm nineteen. Now, this is your first show with me,

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like trust me. And I went in and I went

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around a couple of times, and my dad saw guys

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slam me pretty good and me slam him back. And

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then we kept going and my dad jumped in the

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pit and he went after the guy he went and

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like slammed the guy really hard. And I pulled my

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dad aside and I said, hey, you only do that

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if you understand the rules. You don't get to be

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angry at that guy for him hitting me. We were

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hitting each other out of love. You were hitting him

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out of retaliation. I need to He's like, but he's

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going to hurt you. He's way bigger than you. He's

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not going to hurt me. And if he does, he's

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going to pick me up and he's going to love

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on me and he's going to take me to get

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some help. You don't understand the dynamics of a machri pit.

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Let me show you how healthy this is. And my

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dad has been a very angry person in his life.

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He's never dealt with his a lot of his issues,

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you know, until probably maybe he's dealing with him recently.

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We're estranged right now. I don't know, but he never

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really dealt with him. There's a lot of anger and

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rage that came out, and so he got to experience

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something that I was using as a tool to help

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release that, and it opened his eyes, I think a

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little bit to go, Wow, there is something really healthy here.

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And I wish that I would have realized this when

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I was younger, because I'm sure he could have really

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used it with everything he went through as a kid too.

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Yeah, people don't realize, you know. They look at this

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and they look at Oh, we're just a bunch of

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mean people fighting each other, and they have no clue

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what it's really all about. And me, I have the opposite.

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Like my dad obviously wasn't going to a mosh pit

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like you know, and I went My first club show

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ever was at the Roxy, but it was in like

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eighty eighty one and it was Motley Crue before they

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even had an album. When there's like horror, they were

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like horror punk. They weren't clam yet, you know. And

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I just remember going to that club show and thinking myself,

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oh my god, I'm never going to a real concert. Ever. Again,

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it's it's that whole feeling that you can't really describe

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to people, and it's this community that you become a

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part of. And I took my son in his first

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mash pit, and then I took two of three of

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my grandchildren into their first mash pits.

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Wow.

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Yeah, and it got progressively stronger, like so my son's

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first mashpit with Slip Knot when they were opening for

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Metallica Tattoo the Earth Tour, and then my grandson his

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first mash pit was August Burns Red. Okay, so you know,

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as time went on, things got a little more brutal,

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but they only look brutal from the outside. From the inside,

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it's the same thing.

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Yeah, yeah, it really is.

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You know.

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It was actually really cool too to see the video

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you brought a Metallica of Jason Momoa.

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Yeah yeah, yeahitting in the pit, and it.

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Just shows you nobody on any level is you know,

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is protected from trauma or whatever they helt and utilizing

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that moshpit as a release. I guarantee you he needed

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that just as much as every Oh.

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The smile on his face, he could totally tell. And

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I actually shared one of those videos on my Facebook.

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I'm like, man, I would love to be in the

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pit with Jason Momoa, I actually said with Aquaman because

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I'm like, how cool would that be to be in

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the pit with Aquamand.

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Yes, yeah, and he's a big dude too, you know.

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And it's just but that was like, for me, that

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was really beautiful because you haven't really seen a celebrity

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jump in with society in such.

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A raw form like that.

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Yeah, and it just showed you everybody needs healing. That's

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what I felt like the message was there, like everybody

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at every level needs healing. But I don't think people

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that if they don't understand a mosh pit, then they

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don't understand that image.

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No, And there are idiots that go in there thinking

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it's about going into hurt main people. And I've literally

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watched them go to I've been part of it too,

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of them going down like you were taking down, no

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doubt about it. And yeah, I always laughed because I

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was always the little dude. But that's the person you

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gotta be scared of in the pit because those big

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dudes they like use how they're big and stuff, and

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me I would just come flying around, get down the

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enticon lunge and lunge up with the elbow and be

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on the other side of the pit before the dude

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even knew who hit him, you know, And that isn't

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our thing. It's like I remember being being a teenager

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and it was always the little dudes in the pit.

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It wasn't the bullies. The bullies were the ones we

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were probably, and we were mostly taking our anger out

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on in the pit, like release an't there because of

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the bullies outside. And you didn't find those bullies in

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there except once in a while. But when those bullies

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came in there, they weren't the bullies there.

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Nope, nope. And I experienced that a couple times.

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You know, you saw people who were literally there to

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be violent and to genuinely hurt somebody and thought that's

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what it was about. And you would watch everybody in

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the mash pit just kind of eye contact, no words,

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said yep, it's time. This guy seems to be taught

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a lesson, and they teach him a lesson and he

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gets up and he's rocked and he's like, what the

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hell just happened in my life? And we all go

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we love you, dude, but knock it off, yep, and

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the boundary set and the healthy lives on, and it

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moves on. And now we've got another person that goes, WHOA.

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This community is awesome. Because I was doing something wrong,

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maybe I didn't know it. They put me in my place,

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they told me they loved me afterwards, and now I'm

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a part of that community.

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That's yeah, that's that's what the whole world needs right now.

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I have said a lot recently that in order to

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solve all the world's problems, we just have to have

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one big metal festival that everybody's required to attend and

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that will solve all the world's problems. That we can

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all love each other again instead of the bullshit we're

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having now, I'm in bro right.

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I have not heard it but that way.

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But man, I'm not going to argue that one one

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bit because when you think about it, it's like people

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that have never been don't know what they're missing out

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on and when they do experience it. Like I'll be honest,

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my wife had never listened to hard rock or metal

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music until about a year ago. Her first show was

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Stained Breaking Benjamin Daughtry and Lakeview Nice, and you know,

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I was supposed to sign and go on tour with

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Breaking Benjamin twelve years ago, and we lost that deal

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because we broke up on tour four days before we

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were going to sign with Cameron Strang and Warner Brothers,

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and Breaking Benjamin's one of my all time favorites. And

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so this was my first time getting to see them live.

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Because I was so busy with my own career, I

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never actually got to go out to experience their tours.

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So I was in tears for a couple of the

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songs because they meant so much to me. And I

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looked over my wife and she's just mesmer And my

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wife says five to one, blonde, petite, just sweetest pie woman,

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Like I call her my butterfly because she's just such

455
00:24:08.680 --> 00:24:13.680
a soft, sweet woman. And literally like turned to me

456
00:24:13.799 --> 00:24:15.160
after the show and said, that was one of the

457
00:24:15.279 --> 00:24:16.880
best nights of my life, literally.

458
00:24:16.680 --> 00:24:17.920
Top nice life.

459
00:24:18.519 --> 00:24:21.519
And I was like, what, like rock and metal show.

460
00:24:21.400 --> 00:24:23.640
Your first time ever, You've never even jumped into this

461
00:24:23.799 --> 00:24:26.680
music like that is one of the top five nights

462
00:24:26.680 --> 00:24:27.039
of your life.

463
00:24:27.079 --> 00:24:28.599
She's like, I've never felt anything like it.

464
00:24:29.680 --> 00:24:31.240
I love when they get converted.

465
00:24:31.519 --> 00:24:34.599
You know, it was, and it's wild because I just

466
00:24:34.680 --> 00:24:37.200
didn't think with her that it was going to happen

467
00:24:37.279 --> 00:24:40.720
because she's such a soft delivery. But you know, she's

468
00:24:40.759 --> 00:24:42.680
been through a lot too. She needs an outlet too,

469
00:24:43.200 --> 00:24:45.279
she needs a place where she can feel like this.

470
00:24:45.799 --> 00:24:48.160
You know a lot of times when we're in a relationship,

471
00:24:48.240 --> 00:24:50.759
we throw our crap on each other. Yeah, I think

472
00:24:50.880 --> 00:24:53.440
this is where this has helped me. I get to,

473
00:24:54.079 --> 00:24:56.160
you know, throw some of my crap into music, and

474
00:24:56.240 --> 00:24:58.480
hopefully she can utilize music as a place where she

475
00:24:58.519 --> 00:25:00.640
can throw some of her crap into the mumusic and

476
00:25:00.720 --> 00:25:02.839
it doesn't have to be thrown onto us under each other.

477
00:25:03.000 --> 00:25:05.039
And you know, it makes a healthier relationship in the long.

478
00:25:05.039 --> 00:25:06.839
Run if you have an outlet like that, no doubt

479
00:25:06.839 --> 00:25:09.720
about it. And that's where you know, these two songs

480
00:25:09.759 --> 00:25:14.039
that you just dropped, That's why I think it's better

481
00:25:14.119 --> 00:25:17.599
than anything you probably ever did, because it's raw, it's

482
00:25:17.759 --> 00:25:22.799
real feelings. That's what hard rock, rock metal is about.

483
00:25:22.960 --> 00:25:26.799
It's talking about real things like you're mentioning pop like

484
00:25:27.960 --> 00:25:30.000
when things are going on the way they are in

485
00:25:30.039 --> 00:25:32.079
the world right now, who wants to listen to some

486
00:25:32.200 --> 00:25:35.640
bubblecum stuff that has no basis in reality, you know,

487
00:25:35.920 --> 00:25:39.759
And so I love that you not only have the support,

488
00:25:40.319 --> 00:25:44.720
but have had the time to really, you know, get

489
00:25:44.799 --> 00:25:48.200
that creativity where you could just be real instead of

490
00:25:48.319 --> 00:25:51.279
just writing a song, but writing something that means something.

491
00:25:52.160 --> 00:25:55.000
Yeah, I mean, and I've always written about my life.

492
00:25:55.000 --> 00:25:56.880
I've always tried to be real in my music. But

493
00:25:57.119 --> 00:26:01.279
there's just difference now because I'm not, you know. And

494
00:26:01.519 --> 00:26:03.119
sometimes when I was writing in the back, I'd be

495
00:26:03.160 --> 00:26:05.200
writing about something that happened. But I'm like, let's frame

496
00:26:05.279 --> 00:26:08.079
this in a way that, you know, even though it's

497
00:26:08.119 --> 00:26:11.920
about this relationship that was unhealthy, Let's frame it in

498
00:26:12.000 --> 00:26:14.480
a way to where I write these lyrics with metaphors

499
00:26:14.519 --> 00:26:16.799
that somebody can take a message from it that maybe

500
00:26:17.039 --> 00:26:19.160
isn't about that. And so I kind of focus on

501
00:26:19.200 --> 00:26:21.240
them because that's what music does, even when you don't

502
00:26:21.279 --> 00:26:25.200
mean for it too right, And I've curbed my writing

503
00:26:25.279 --> 00:26:27.799
now to where I'm just going to go with whatever

504
00:26:27.920 --> 00:26:30.599
comes out. I'm going to be so raw and speak

505
00:26:30.680 --> 00:26:35.279
my truth that you can't say that it's not authentic.

506
00:26:37.039 --> 00:26:40.440
I mean, I'm letting people know about the last eight

507
00:26:40.559 --> 00:26:42.640
years of my life and some struggles that have come up.

508
00:26:42.680 --> 00:26:45.000
We talk about you know, the first song built for

509
00:26:45.079 --> 00:26:48.000
the moment is about being you know, why my music

510
00:26:48.000 --> 00:26:49.839
career didn't work out twelve years ago? And why write

511
00:26:49.880 --> 00:26:52.119
now is the right moment. I mean, I'm more mature.

512
00:26:52.359 --> 00:26:56.599
I can handle the pressures of it better. I you know,

513
00:26:57.039 --> 00:26:58.680
I'm not going to make the mistakes that I did

514
00:26:58.759 --> 00:27:00.680
back then, or I probably will if I would have

515
00:27:00.720 --> 00:27:04.039
got signed it as a late twenty early thirty year old. Yeah,

516
00:27:04.559 --> 00:27:08.119
my focus is different. And you know, these songs are

517
00:27:08.240 --> 00:27:11.440
just we're talking about sexual abuse that has come up

518
00:27:11.480 --> 00:27:13.880
through therapy over the last few years that I totally

519
00:27:14.000 --> 00:27:16.079
blocked out of my mind. You know, there's songs about

520
00:27:17.319 --> 00:27:20.440
you know, about a night where just being raw, I

521
00:27:20.480 --> 00:27:22.519
put a barrel in my mouth and I was, you know,

522
00:27:22.680 --> 00:27:24.559
seconds away from pulling the trigger and I had to

523
00:27:24.599 --> 00:27:27.200
have a moment where I was ripped out of that.

524
00:27:27.319 --> 00:27:29.200
And that's the closest the Devil's ever going to get

525
00:27:29.200 --> 00:27:31.480
to taken me out. And you know, all these things

526
00:27:31.559 --> 00:27:34.200
like I just want, like I want people to know

527
00:27:34.759 --> 00:27:36.640
out there that are struggling with some of this stuff

528
00:27:36.640 --> 00:27:39.279
that they're not alone, because it's alone in it before

529
00:27:39.440 --> 00:27:41.079
and I think we all do in the moment and

530
00:27:41.160 --> 00:27:42.759
I think we all feel the pressure like I don't

531
00:27:42.799 --> 00:27:44.279
want my shit to land on somebody else.

532
00:27:44.880 --> 00:27:46.519
Well fuck that, that's what music's about.

533
00:27:47.000 --> 00:27:49.799
Yeah, we're we're letting your shit land on us, and

534
00:27:49.920 --> 00:27:52.240
we're letting our shit land on you. And we're sharing

535
00:27:52.319 --> 00:27:54.720
the shit and we are carrying it together and we're

536
00:27:54.960 --> 00:27:57.839
releasing it together, and we're loving each other through it.

537
00:27:58.160 --> 00:27:59.920
And I just I mean, I don't know any of

538
00:28:00.039 --> 00:28:02.000
their place but metal or rock where that happens.

539
00:28:02.759 --> 00:28:06.279
Well, that's what I love about this new music and

540
00:28:06.480 --> 00:28:09.000
I look forward to a lot more of it. Tell

541
00:28:09.079 --> 00:28:12.279
everybody how they can check out the new songs, check

542
00:28:12.319 --> 00:28:16.400
out everything you got going on, and you know what

543
00:28:16.599 --> 00:28:19.680
else we could look for on the horizon awesome.

544
00:28:19.799 --> 00:28:22.519
Yeah, So anybody who's interested in checking us out, you

545
00:28:22.599 --> 00:28:25.759
can find us on our socials at Blood Alliance Music

546
00:28:25.839 --> 00:28:30.920
on Instagram and on x and on TikTok, and then

547
00:28:31.039 --> 00:28:33.759
it's just Blood of Lines on Facebook. We've got our

548
00:28:33.799 --> 00:28:36.359
website which is blood alions dot com. All of our

549
00:28:36.400 --> 00:28:41.880
stuff is on every major music streaming platform, so Apple Music, Spotify,

550
00:28:43.160 --> 00:28:47.160
all all the platforms there. And then we will be

551
00:28:47.880 --> 00:28:50.839
releasing a third single here coming up very shortly with

552
00:28:50.960 --> 00:28:53.359
a full length music video. We've got a special feature

553
00:28:53.599 --> 00:28:57.359
on that with an artist that is part of Il

554
00:28:57.440 --> 00:29:01.720
Nino and also had his home side project that was

555
00:29:01.759 --> 00:29:03.400
pretty successful.

556
00:29:02.880 --> 00:29:05.519
And just a really great friend of mine.

557
00:29:05.559 --> 00:29:08.359
And you know it was was sitting in his house

558
00:29:09.000 --> 00:29:11.119
talking about the premise of this song and he went, Man,

559
00:29:11.160 --> 00:29:12.839
I feel that too, and I went, well, let's write.

560
00:29:12.640 --> 00:29:13.119
It together, bro.

561
00:29:13.480 --> 00:29:14.200
You know nice.

562
00:29:14.680 --> 00:29:15.920
It's that community that came in.

563
00:29:16.079 --> 00:29:18.480
So with this next song and this next music video,

564
00:29:18.519 --> 00:29:20.279
you guys are going to get to see, you know,

565
00:29:20.440 --> 00:29:23.039
kind of an image out there of all the struggles

566
00:29:23.039 --> 00:29:25.240
that we're all kind of going through and probably can feel,

567
00:29:25.680 --> 00:29:27.960
and two guys that are doing it and writing about

568
00:29:27.960 --> 00:29:29.319
it that just want to connect.

569
00:29:29.039 --> 00:29:29.519
With you through it.

570
00:29:30.160 --> 00:29:33.359
So that that song is going to be released here

571
00:29:33.440 --> 00:29:35.240
probably in the next four weeks in the music video

572
00:29:35.319 --> 00:29:39.799
in about six weeks. It's called New Devils, And I'll

573
00:29:39.839 --> 00:29:42.319
tell you what, man, that's the song. That's the one

574
00:29:43.000 --> 00:29:45.960
where I think it's going to capture people and they're

575
00:29:46.000 --> 00:29:48.000
gonna go, well, what is this that this guy's doing.

576
00:29:48.200 --> 00:29:50.880
Like the other two songs, we feel them, they're really good,

577
00:29:50.960 --> 00:29:53.839
but what's going on now? This is this is a

578
00:29:54.440 --> 00:29:57.920
next level and you know, I'm excited to to do that,

579
00:29:58.039 --> 00:30:00.400
and when it comes to live shows. Right now, we're

580
00:30:00.480 --> 00:30:02.759
we're just focused on getting this product out to people

581
00:30:02.839 --> 00:30:06.319
and seeing how it's received. Me and the guys are

582
00:30:06.880 --> 00:30:10.480
getting together later this year to start writing the second

583
00:30:10.519 --> 00:30:12.920
album as we're releasing the singles for this first album

584
00:30:13.559 --> 00:30:16.759
and and kind of get ready to do our live

585
00:30:16.839 --> 00:30:21.720
performance stick next year. Probably at the earliest, we'll probably

586
00:30:21.759 --> 00:30:24.720
play a launch show later this year, but our goal

587
00:30:24.839 --> 00:30:26.880
is to let this let the music speak for itself

588
00:30:26.960 --> 00:30:30.799
this year and then write out the live shows and

589
00:30:31.039 --> 00:30:34.799
hopefully some of those festivals. You know, God willing Danny Wimmer,

590
00:30:35.799 --> 00:30:38.160
you know, likes what he hears and we get thrown

591
00:30:38.200 --> 00:30:40.839
on some festivals and we start kicking it off that way.

592
00:30:40.920 --> 00:30:44.640
You know, we do have a special collaboration that we're

593
00:30:44.640 --> 00:30:46.960
going to be doing here shortly in the next couple

594
00:30:46.960 --> 00:30:48.839
of weeks. I can't release that either. It is with

595
00:30:49.000 --> 00:30:52.200
a very very big name. Him and I are going

596
00:30:52.240 --> 00:30:54.599
to be writing a song together for Blood Allions and

597
00:30:55.039 --> 00:30:57.960
super excited about that. It's one of my my music

598
00:30:58.000 --> 00:31:01.160
idols and dreams to one of the guys that I've

599
00:31:01.240 --> 00:31:03.880
mentioned that I saw live and you know, I have

600
00:31:03.960 --> 00:31:07.480
played with live. So it's just it's surreal the way

601
00:31:07.559 --> 00:31:12.160
that this time, all this is happening, and go for

602
00:31:12.240 --> 00:31:14.400
the moment, man, It's just it's it's the moment. And

603
00:31:14.559 --> 00:31:18.279
so I would appreciate if anybody out there that's listening,

604
00:31:18.720 --> 00:31:21.319
if you guys were inspired or you you you know,

605
00:31:21.400 --> 00:31:23.720
connected with any part of this conversation, please go check

606
00:31:23.720 --> 00:31:26.000
out the music. If you hate it, I'm not going

607
00:31:26.039 --> 00:31:27.759
to be offended. Please let me know that too, because

608
00:31:27.759 --> 00:31:30.319
I always want to be better. But you know, maybe

609
00:31:30.319 --> 00:31:32.799
you guys feel something and we can stay connected for

610
00:31:32.839 --> 00:31:36.240
a lifetime and you know, heal together. So yeah, check

611
00:31:36.319 --> 00:31:39.960
us out. Really looking forward to another conversation with you,

612
00:31:40.039 --> 00:31:41.200
bye man. This has been awesome.

613
00:31:41.880 --> 00:31:46.000
Yeah, absolutely, and hopefully we can have one in person

614
00:31:46.079 --> 00:31:47.880
at Danny Wimmer Festival next year.

615
00:31:48.319 --> 00:31:48.640
Let's go.

616
00:31:48.920 --> 00:31:51.920
Brother would love that and really look forward to that.

617
00:31:52.079 --> 00:31:54.119
So I'm just gonna say that's gonna happen. We're gonna

618
00:31:54.119 --> 00:31:55.079
put it out there there.

619
00:31:55.119 --> 00:31:57.400
It is, put it out there and I know it well.

620
00:31:57.519 --> 00:32:01.039
And thanks for all you do for the commune, you know,

621
00:32:01.240 --> 00:32:03.799
by putting your heart on the line in your music

622
00:32:04.000 --> 00:32:06.240
and it is the best therapy ever. And thanks for

623
00:32:06.359 --> 00:32:07.720
being on the Adventures of Pipemin.

624
00:32:08.119 --> 00:32:11.000
Hey, thanks for having me. Really appreciate it and it's

625
00:32:11.000 --> 00:32:12.599
an honor to be here. So we'll talk to you

626
00:32:12.720 --> 00:32:13.079
my friends.

627
00:32:13.119 --> 00:32:18.880
Man, thank you for listening to the Adventures of Pipemin

628
00:32:19.519 --> 00:32:22.960
on w for CUI Radio