May 29, 2025
PipemanRadio Interviews BYZANTINE About New Album Harbingers
OJ of Byzantine upcoming full length album Harbingers, release on June 13th via Metal Blade Records. Newst Single - The unobtainable sleep. Now a five-piece for the first time ever featuring founding frontman Chris “OJ” Ojeda, alongside former...
OJ of Byzantine upcoming full length album Harbingers, release on June 13th via Metal Blade Records.
Newst Single - The unobtainable sleep.
Now a five-piece for the first time ever featuring founding frontman Chris “OJ” Ojeda, alongside former guitarist Tony Rohrbough, bassist Ryan Postlethwait, veteran guitarist Brian Henderson, and drummer Matt Bowles, with Harbingers, BYZANTINE is a crown jewel in their impressive seven-album discography. Notes Ojeda, “After twenty-five years of riding the struggle bus, we’re ready to show the rock and metal world what we’re truly about.”
The album cover, designed by mixed-media artist Ashley Hoey, beautifully depicts Irene of Athens — the mother of Emperor Constantine and the first female empress of the Byzantine Empire. This focus on a maternal ruler eloquently ties into the album’s title, Harbingers, which means “ones who usher in great change.”
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Here's your host, the pipe Man.
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This is the pipe Man here on the Adventures pipe Man.
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W four c Y Radio. Really excited about our next
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guest because when I saw one of my favorite publicists
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send over an email, I'm like, yes, I will definitely
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interview them because we're just bad ass. And so let's
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welcome to this show. Oj from Byzantine.
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How are you? I'm great man. How are you Dean?
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Do I call you Dean or.
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The pipe Man?
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You call me Dean? Off the air, pipe Man on
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the air?
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Perfect? All right, pipe Man, I am doing fantastic.
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I love it. I love it, and I have to
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say too, it's funny.
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You know.
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I should probably shouldn't say this because I own radio stations,
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but man, I've been hearing Jose and then play your
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music on Serious XM so much lately, and believe it
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or not, that's kind of how I found out about you.
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Was from Serious XM, which is kind of funny considering
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I own the radio station, but they were just playing
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you so much. And I love Jose anyway, we're friends,
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and yeah, you know, he's great up bringing great artists
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of metal into the world. Like I come from a
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time where if it played on the radio, I didn't
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want to listen to it type of thing, you know.
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But you guys have this new music. It's killer, it's
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it has what I love about. It has so many
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elements to it, like nowadays, I find metal. A lot
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of metal bands. They they have this formula and it
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was never like that back in the day. And you're
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like old school because I hear thrashing there, I hear progressive,
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I hear you know, death, I hear black belt, I
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hear all in the music. And so tell us a
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little bit about how that creativity has happened to create
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the sound that is Byzantine.
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Well, we're definitely a blender of different types of heavy metal,
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you know. We're we've been doing this thing with Byzantine
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for twenty five years. And when we start we were
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in our late twenties early thirties, so we were already
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older seasoned cats at that point. But I when we
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formed Byzantine, that made sure that all the members were
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very eclectic and songwriters of their own right, So we
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always brought in different elements and mashed it together to
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form the Byzantine sound. I feel like today we might
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lose a lot of the one trick listeners who liked
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their metal either this or that, We're gonna lose them
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because we're coming from all different angles and we've always
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been that way. When we first started, everyone said we
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sounded like a mish, like a mash of Testament, Pantera,
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Musuga and Opeth mixed.
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I could definitely see all that, and I'll even throw
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in there, I heard a little Lombardo in one of
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your songs.
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Yes, yes, So since you know, over the last twenty
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five years, we've just added and added more of our influences.
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I don't give a fuck, you know, I want to
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have a section that sounds like White Snake. Let's do it.
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So yeah, so right now it could be you could
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hear Mastaedn, you could hear Pink Floyd. But the goal
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is to make that, make it not sound forced, to
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sound like just a creative mix of four or five
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guys and luckily that has turned into the Byzantine sound.
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And I think that's cool about a lot of bands
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nowadays that do have Like you said, it's a blender,
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like when all the different band members bring something different
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to the table. Because again, to me, that goes to
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old school like Slayer. Okay, so Dave and Jeff were punks, yeah,
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and Carrie was a matter ahead and time didn't even
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know what metal was till Slayer, you know, So you're right,
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and then you just create this sound that nobody else
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can copy, you know.
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Right, right, And then all of a sudden, later on bands,
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you know, they just try to emulate that instead of
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being their own creative force. Every band that has really
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good musicians could come up with their own unique, organic sound.
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But it's really fucking hard and sometimes it takes years.
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But if you've been writing that for like twenty five years,
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twenty five years.
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Yeah, we knew, you know, pipemin right from our debut.
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and we also knew it might take us a longer
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time to break through by doing that. But if we
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was like, let's just stick the course, the music is
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the most important part of this. The live show, the merch.
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Everything else comes secondary. You know, maybe it might take
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thirty years before we break through, but you know, we
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do have our own sound and it's fun. All our
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og fans they would get mad at us if we
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became started becoming formulaic. They would they would get mad.
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So I don't blame them. I would too, you know.
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And then you know, for the first time ever, you're
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a five piece. Tell me how that happened, because you
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know that takes like a change of philosophy sometimes.
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Yeah, completely, it changes every way you look at the band,
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all the way down to like lodging, how you're going
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to get the shows, managing more. You know, you add
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another wife into the fold. Yeah, so you know, for
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twenty you know, twenty five years, I have been the
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man the mustained the hatfield. I've played guitar and sang,
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but I've always felt like I've held the band back
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to some extent because I'm an okay singer and I'm
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an okay guitar player. But when I do them both together,
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i feel like I'm not even okay. And I've always
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thought if I could just sing or just play guitar.
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Maybe we would, it would make the band better. So
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the opportunity arose to ask back in our original guitar player,
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Tony Roarbaw. He was on the first four albums and
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he was very instrumental in developing the Byzantine sound. A
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lot of it comes from him. So we asked him
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to come back, and we retained the guy who took
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his job. So now both of them are in the band,
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which is very unique. Normally you bring the old guy back,
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you kick the.
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New guy out right.
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Yeah, I'm a I'm like, I'm like married to my
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new wife but now banging my old wife at the same.
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Time, so you're like polyamorous.
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Now, yes, I love it. So And the funny thing
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is is that hindo or guitar player now and Tony
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they're great friends. So it just it just made uh
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just made sense. And now I get to like connect
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with the crowd, point at people, drink a beer if
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I want. You know, right, we're gonna give it a whirl.
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June sixth in Brooklyn is our first show where we
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get to play as a five piece. So I'm excited.
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I'm excited to see what happens.
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So, and it's interesting you said Mustaan and Hatfield because
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like I was at you know, their first show ever,
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like Dave Mustaine came out out and handed me his
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business card. It said Metallica power Metal Dave Mustanine because
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there was no such chance thrash yet whoa. So they
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were considered power metal. But what's interesting is is that
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when Megadeth formed, and this comes from Dan Spitz, who's
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a really good friend of mine, he told me he's like,
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he's like, Mustaine was like, how do I sing? Yeah,
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And that's how he developed that sound because he Dan
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was like, you know, just talk like acting, and that's
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what Dave does. And then Heatfield he was he was
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the front man, but he wasn't the front man he
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is today. Like he was like really shy back in
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the day, so he wasn't that out front front man
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at one point. Okay, I have a trivia question for you. Okay,
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at one point, what drastic change was James looking to do?
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That kind of correlates with what you were talking about
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singing and playing guitar at the same time.
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Uh, he wanted to bring in John but from Armored Saint.
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I am so impressed, Like that thank you that you
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gave right off the bat with that usually by trivia questions,
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a lot or so get it. And they love that
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because it's like, but how many people would really know
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about John Bush?
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Cheers, cheers, Oh my god.
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That's so great. And then you know, and and James
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wanted to focus on the guitar, and somebody too that
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I played drums, I played guitar, I sang thrash mellow,
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I sucked at all three. But I can ever imagine
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singing and playing guitar at the same time. To me,
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it's like rubbing your head and belly at the same
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or whatever. We used to Yeah we were kids, you know, Yeah,
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it would be so hard to me to focus on
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one or the other.
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It's like it's it's extremely difficult. And you know, as
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you will know you've you've listened to our band. You
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know that our music isn't four on the four floor.
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There's different time changes, there's my sugar style poly rhythms,
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so there's a lot of times where I'm singing in
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a different time signature that I'm playing, and that it's
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extremely difficult. So I uh, sometimes I mess around with
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practice and I'll try to have conversations while we're playing
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with our other guys, and they'll they'll be like, don't
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talk to me, I'll mess up, you know. But uh,
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you know, I just think that maybe I could be
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a better front man and and have a better live
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show experience if I can just connect with the crowd.
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So we're gonna give it the whirl. Uh. But that
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does not mean that I won't put the I won't
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ever put the guitar on. We might do a three
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guitar thing.
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I can see that too. Yeah, your latest single, I
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could see three guitars of that like that gave me,
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gave me like a dream theater vibe.
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Yeah, we always have harmonies and some cleans and ethereal
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stuff going on. So I might pull the guitar out
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and be able to play that stuff live. Four it
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would have been removed.
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Yeah, yeah, totally.
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Yeah, we'll try it.
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So what was that one moment in time in your
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life where you it just hit you like a brick
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wall that this is what I need to do for
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the next twenty five years or however long.
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To be honest, when it came to metal, I was
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in junior high and I was I spent the night
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with a friend of mine who had a broken down
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bus in the back of his yard and he would
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go back there and smoke weed. And I went back
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there to smoke cigarettes with him, and he had a
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walkman and played me, uh, disposable Heroes. First time I'd
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ever heard Metallica, and I was like, I couldn't compute it.
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I didn't compute it because I had grown up in
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the musical family. I literally had Twist's sister and wasp
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uh and Ossie posters on my wall. But that is
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a world of difference from disposable.
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He wrotes, Right, Well, you know it's funny you should
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say that. And by the way, I used to hang
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out with Chris Holmes at the mall.
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Oh my god.
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And but what's wild about that is it is so true.
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and it got picked up by all the wirehouses because
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in my interview he said, I don't really think Black
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Sabbath was metal. I think who started metal was Metallica? Interesting,
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and he was describing.
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The metallic sound of it.
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Yeah, yeah, that that that that guitar, you know, that
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is the Metallica sound. And even you know, it's funny.
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I listened to James nowadays. Aint talks about, like you
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said recently, how they play Seek and Destroy at the
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San Jose Sharks games. But they play he says, they
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played an old version, and I hate how I sound
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in that, Like I'm a much better singer now, but
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I loved his voice back then. That voice that was
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like what made the difference in metal, Like he had
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this voice that was just unreal, right, you know.
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Yeah, it was u to me, like when I first
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heard it. Like Master Puppets is well produced, it is
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executed absolutely precise in the studio, but when I first
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heard it, it was the first time I had heard
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anything that almost felt like it was falling off the
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rails right, just so hectic and so metallic. You know.
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Wasp was heavy, Wasp was evil, but it wasn't like
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net breaking, right and exactly. Yeah, that that right there,
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I was like, I gotta get out of this bus
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