June 16, 2025

PipemanRadio Interviews Change Persona at Download Festival 2025

PipemanRadio Interviews Change Persona at Download Festival 2025

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Hey, you have done too, Yes, that's true for see

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wow crazy young.

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Hello, this is pipe Man here on the Adventures pipe

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Man W four cy Radio and I'm here.

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With Change persona.

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Nice here at Download Festival. Why I know, first of

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all is how the fuck did you even get the

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Download Festival?

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Oh well, there was a form that we had to

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fill in to get onto the takeover stage and yeah,

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it's a competition and it was our drama that put

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us up. And when we got the message that we

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were chosen, we thought it.

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Was a scam. We thought it was just someone just

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trying great.

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Yeah, yeah, wasn't it like how many bands was it

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it was out of? Was it like thousands? Three hundred

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and sixty? Was that right applied? Or we're in the

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consideration process and like we got the slot and we

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just couldn't believe it when we found.

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Out, Wow, how many did they even pick at the

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three sixty? Do you know?

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Is it like six or something like us? Yeah, something along.

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That's amazing.

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Yeah, we'll absolutely gas.

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It's an insane incredible opportunity.

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Right like this is like this is like hollow ground here,

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you know, and to get win that competition three hundred

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and sixty other bands. Man, Yeah, like, either you're really

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really good or they all really really sucked.

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Oh them.

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That could be true too, but I doubt it. I

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think it's that you're really really good.

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Oh thank you.

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Yeah, I hope.

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So.

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I mean I think we just get really lucky sometimes.

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You know, well sometimes luck plays into it, but you

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still have to have skill to get the luck.

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We've had some great compliments whilst we've been here, Like

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people have been like really really bigging us up. It's

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been lovely. It's been really nice to see.

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Yeah, I want to hear about your experience here a

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download and you know, so you performed that district X right,

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that's right, Yeah, And what was that like? Like described

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to me how that felt, what it was like, how

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people reacted all that good stuff.

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Well, I was shaken through the whole thing. I don't

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know about the guys.

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But yeah, I think the thing that really stood out

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to me was after we played our second song, we

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had a slight little gap just to talk to the crowd,

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and I was just like, hello, download and everyone's like

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I was like, oh my god.

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The feedback was just absolutely incredible.

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Oh my god.

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It's like I say, it's the biggest thing we've ever done,

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and we just like have a taste for it now

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and we just want to continue this.

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Can't go back, no, no, now, you gotta get inside

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here in the arena, absolutely work your way to headline.

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Yeah, that's that's next on the list. Yeah, yeah, what's

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our best?

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So, describe your music to me as the artist, not

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a genre, but how you the artist would describe your music.

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I guess like before people have used this kind of

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description of us. They've said, if like rise Against and

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Billy Tallon had a baby and raised it in South London,

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that's changed persona. That's what we're kind of like. So yeah,

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that kind of like punk rock. A little bit of

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a rock mixed in with it too, but yeah, mainly

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that kind of fast, angry punk rock sound.

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I think I love that and I love that there's

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uniqueness of the blending because if I live bands nowadays

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that are like dialing it in with formulas, they all

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just sound the same. You need bands like you that

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are gonna use the influences but then create something unique.

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Yeah, one hundred percent. It's just I think Connor, you're

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the songwriter, aren't you. So it's just a case of

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we write what feels, what feels right and go with

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that rather than try and be pigeonholed into a certain

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and sound under a certain box. I mean you can

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probably elaborate.

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Yeah, to be fair.

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When we first sort of started, I felt that when

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I was writing music, I felt quite limited because it

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was like, you're punk rock, so you need to stay

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in this box when you write.

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Yeah, And after a while it's just like I've stop that.

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Yeah, just be yourself.

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Yeah, I just want to write what sounds good. Well,

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I like to write, and you know, and the others

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have really jeled of it as well. They really enjoy it.

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I think that's the best way to do it, because

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that's what makes you last. That's what makes you authentic.

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You can't last trying to be something you're not.

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Yeah, that's very true.

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That's why bands don't survive or breakup or whatever, because

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you start hating what you're doing because it's not your passion, or.

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You have albums where it's the same thing again and

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again and again, and you might just get burnt out

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doing the same sorts of things.

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Just you know, experiment have fun with it.

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I think, yeah, kind of like Ali when they have

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some about the music changing for bringing a rise and

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he's like, I want to write the same song over

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and over again. That's fucking boring.

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Yeah, no, absolutely, and then the songs that they're making

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is fantastic.

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Yeah, so more power to them.

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And it doesn't mean they didn't do the other stuff,

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but they already did the other stuff. And if you're

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an artist, you want to grow, you want to evolve,

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and as you learn your craft, war you are experiment

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with other things. That's what keeps you interested.

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I think also just allows you to gain skills.

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Yeah.

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Just yeah, as you grow, like you've said, it's just

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like if you stay in a narrow little box, you

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only learn within that small little area. But then when

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you start getting influences everywhere else, go oh yeah, like

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that's how they do that, and that's how they do that,

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and you can really incorporate that into what you do

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and just continue to gain knowledge.

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Yeah, Like, if you're a punk rock band, how do

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you learn the fourth chord? If you don't expand.

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We have now.

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Yeah, it was very like powercord, power cord, power chord.

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One thing I love you.

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Status Quo actually have an album that's called in Search

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of the.

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Really as funny as well then, because it's true why

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it's three chords, it's because punk was basically developed so

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people that didn't know how to play music could be

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in a band. But then you learn how to play,

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so then you have to play the fourth chord because

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you only learn the three chords. Absolutely, oh man, that's great.

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What does he want to say?

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Yeah, I mean if we just stuck to a formula

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and done what we're quote unquote supposed to do, but

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we just sound like everyone else exactly. I think we've

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got a unique sounds and I think that's maybe why

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we were picked to do takeover in the first place.

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Another advantage we've got we're just making from school. We

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decided to start a Band's at wage Werry fifteen sixteen,

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and you're still friends and it's just stuck and we

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haven't killed each other yet, which is nice.

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Yet it's rare that that happens too, you know that,

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especially when you start out in school. You know how

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many people are even friends with their schoolmates?

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You know, absolutely, yeah, there's so many people that just

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drop off at your life. I think, like you've said

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quite a lot, is we're friends first, Yeah, and then

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we're in a band after and that connection has just

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allowed us just to continue being a band just because

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we love to do it.

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We love each other.

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Yeah, that's the one jevity right there.

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Yeah.

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I think that's why, Like when we started out, there

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were so many other bands on the same circuit that

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a year or two in would kind of drop out

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stop being a thing. I think because we've always had

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that foundation of the first thing as we're friends first

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and bandmate second. That's what's allowed us to It's like,

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what sixteen years now, we've been going. That's what's kind

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of kept us going and not to fall apart like

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other bands eventually do because they.

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Or they started hating each other and you can tollly

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tell even if they stay together, Like I love watching

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being on stage where they're having fun, they're fucking around

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with each other because then you know they're a family.

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Well at the end of the day as well.

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Like, the one thing that everyone needs to remember is

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when you're playing music, it's also about having fun. It's entertainment,

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yeah right, and you're also entertaining yourself.

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And if you're not having fun, how am I having exactly?

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It all?

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Reflects you can tell, like you say, you see bands

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are just sort of there for a paycheck maybe or

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they're just there just to fill the gap, and it

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really reflects on the show, I.

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Think, or you end up like James addiction exactly.

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Yeah.

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Oh man, that's insane. But that's what happens when you

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drive force it. There's a reason they didn't play for

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many years. Don't force it. You have to be friends first,

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like you guys are smart.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

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That just keeps the glue together, right, that keeps everything together.

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You have your foundation now because you have that friendship totally. Yeah,

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and just well your oyster after that, right.

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That's right. I love your tattoo with the cassette tape.

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Oh thank you.

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There's not many people in your age group that would

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want a cassette tape tattoo. Yeah. Man, I've had a

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lot of cassettes that look just like that and or

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that I had just spliced together. And okay, so for

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those of you don't know what I'm talking about, he

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has a cassette tape tattoo, but that has the tape

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part out of the cassette tape all twist it up

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and any of you that ever had cassette tapes you

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look at and you know exactly what's happening there.

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It's good. Yeah, the cleff was a nice idea, I think.

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Yeah, I just I love, you know, physical media generally,

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and yeah, there's just something about a tape. It just

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feels good to open and look at and feel and

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just slightly in the it's wild, right, And luckily I

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don't have to get my pencil in and start rewinding

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it right right right.

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I'm a little bit after.

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That, but yeah, I just I did that. By the way,

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did did fun? No? But what was even less fun

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was I had Blizzard of Oz on a track, oh wow,

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And I had to take a match book you remember

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what those things are? Have you ever seen one? Because

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like they don't really exist anymore. And you had to

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put under the tape in the machine because otherwise it

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would be like cray really weird.

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Because I put my tape in the other day and

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it was doing that, and I was like, what the

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hell is going on? I pressed because there's it's like

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a double cassette player, and I pressed pause on the

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other one that had nothing in it.

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Then it all came back to life.

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Look at that, and I was like, what happened? See that?

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And that's what life was like. It's like, shit just

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s fucked up and you're like, what the hell? And

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then here was the most of name part. Okay, it

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was you had four you had tracks. Four tracks. It

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would fade out in the middle of a song to

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change tracks and then fade back in. So if I

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some chance, you can find something on YouTube or somewhere

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that has mister Crowley from an eight track literally in

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the middle of mister Crowley, it does that, and that's

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fricking annoying.

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It sounds very annoying.

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I can't listen to the whole song, yeah, because there's

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no way to. It's like that was a way. It's

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wild so fun, I know, right, Yeah, So the cassette

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tapes were a step up from that, you know, but

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then like on your arm when it started eating your cassette,

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Oh my god, that was not fun.

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I did have another type that got eating. I was like,

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all fantastic, Yeah, here we go again, right yeah.

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Plus I come from the tape training days, Like we

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didn't have Spotify. We we had there was like a

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little magazine Ze black and white paper magazine and you

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rode in and they would send you a cassette tape

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and like, I still have Metallica's demo tape. You can't

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tell what it sounds like at all because it was

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recorded over fifty times because to tell where you just took,

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somebody got one recorded, another one sent in. That's how

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the tape train went. So by time you got it,

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it was like nothing. It was like, wow, kill them

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all well, time fantastic, you know, right.

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I like remember taping songs off the radio as well,

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right in the day, and you'd be like they're poised

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to just waiting for the like the precise movement to

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start and the like you walk over the track and

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you'd be like, this is the best part.

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Man. I remember back in the day there was n

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L a station that had They used to play live

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concerts and you would record them. So you had a

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bootleg tape, but it wasn't bootleg because it wasn't the

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actual live show. It was on the radio you were

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taping it from. I see, yeah you can. I mean

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maybe you could do that now. You put something on Spotify,

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connect your Spotify to your cassette player and record it

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onto cassette. Yeah, why not that's what you should do

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for your next album, all right, okay, and then you

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could sell the cassettes. I mean metallicasknew this album, they

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sold cassettes. COVID brought back cassettes. Did you know that?

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But he had the shortage of the final and they

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couldn't get the vinyl out, so they start. So many

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bands were making cassettes from the COVID shortage of vinyl.

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I've just noticed as well, go into shows checking out

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the merch beef, Like there are so many more bands

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selling cassettes now. And I think there's like a real

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nostalgia about it as well. Like people, I think you

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grow up in this era, you don't.

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Have physical media as much.

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even had CDs or whatever, they now see things like

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cassettes and it's suddenly cool because it's retro.

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I think the kids are missing out of luck, because

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like when I was a kid, you bought an album,

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let's say an album it was with cassettes too, with

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Cee these two, and you would just listen to a

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whole album while you read the lyrics that came with

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the album. You didn't have to google it, and there

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would be sometimes prizes in there, like you could get

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who's playing behind us?

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Was a bullet sounds like it could be billet.

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So that's gonna be your background for your let we go.

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You know, that's a pretty good background. But yeah, I mean,

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and then you would just look at all the artwork

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and some of them would come with booklets, and like

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it was just a whole sensory experience that kids today

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did not experience. So that's why they do track track

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track track track.

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Yeah.

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I think also as well is have it, Like you say,

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having the book looks to go through and just you

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can feel a bit more of a connection to the

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band or the music that you're listening.

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White you're connected to it and you feel like you're

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getting your money's worth.

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Two absolutely, And I think like the other thing, it's

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almost lead now because like the streaming way of doing things,

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people just want singles, they want individual tracks. Like we

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grew up from a generation you'd listen to track one

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all the way through to track ten. That's not such

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a thing anymore. So like even for us strategically, like

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our last album, Perfect Fate, world you can find on

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Spotify everywhere else. But we've done that like typical album

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style ten tracks or however many it was. But our

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next release we're going to do, We're going to start

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recording again in September. We're kind of having a rethink

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and we think maybe we released in smaller batches but

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more often because that whole listen to track one through

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to track ten thing isn't what kind of listeners are

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doing anymore, which is a shame.

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It's a shame.

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It is a shame. And you know why they or

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not because they don't have to pay for this shit. Okay,

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I'm a teenager. My money, I'm scraping together like pennies

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to make sure I had enough money to buy the album.

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You make sure that you listen that whole album many

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times to get your money's worth, and so you don't

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respect free Who cares. I'm not losing anything from it.

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Some of my favorite bands came from that because I

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didn't like the music at first, but I listened over

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and over and I'm like, your on you exactly, and

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they don't have the experience.

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Now, I think it's because you also just don't really

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have a choice. Yeah, right, choice is limited. So, like

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you say, if you use the money that you scraped

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up to buy an album, you're like, not the best album, but.

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What else are you gonna listen to?

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Exactly?

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So you're just gonna keep repeating, repeating, and go, actually,

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you know what, He's growing on me. And the music

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does do that. I think a lot of music out there,

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if you don't like it to begin with, if you

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kept on listening, it would grow on you.

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Perfect example, there's one album totally unpopular opinion that when

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I first heard the first time, like oh this sucks,

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and now it's like one of my favorite albums ever.

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And that's Back in Black by ac DC. Oh yeah

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right album, yeah right, But at first I was like,

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what the fuck is this? I just threw my money away,

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you know, And that I think it's part of the experience,

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you know. And yes, nowadays you have exposure to many

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more artists and may moraors can put music out there,

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but that loyalty to the band and that like really

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loving music, Like anybody gets in the car with me,

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every song that comes on the radio, I know every

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lyric and my kids will be like, how do you

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know the lyrics? Because I listened to shit over and

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over again while I had the lyrics in front of

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me and just kept doing it over and over and

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over and over again. Absolutely, you know whereas I wonder

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if you ask kids today there listen spa by how

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much of the lyrics besides the main like chorus line,

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would they know the actual lyrics.

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To all the song name?

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Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, because you're just like, oh, it's

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just some one mixers in my pocket.

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I've just got headphones on. I'm not looking at what

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I'm listening to.

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Like the maddest thing for me.

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I went to see Bring Me to the Horizon in London, like,

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I know, in the winter, like half a year ago whatever,

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and bad Omens were supporting, and I was like, oh,

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I don't know who bad Omens are. And then as

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they were performing, I was like, oh, no, wait, I

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know this one from Spotify. And then they're doing other

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three or four songs, another one come up and I'd

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be like, I know the chorus of this and everything,

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and it's because it's just an algorithm that throws this

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thing at you periodically.

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And I finished that set and I was like I

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knew like six.

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Of their songs right, and yeah, I went into the

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gig like I don't know who they are. I'll check

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them out. And that's that's the crazy thing about streaming.

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I was there first of all, and I was with

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some of my and Incubus was playing, and every single

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song they played, Oh, I didn't know this was them.

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Oh that's what you're saying. I know this was them.

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I know this was them.

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I had the exact same thing with Incubus. I really

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love the bands, but I'll listen to a song, I'll go,

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what's this called? I do the exact same thing.

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Yeah, see, there you go.

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We live in the shuffle generation.

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Now, totally totally. Now, how do people reach out to

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you on socials on the web by your merch because

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they can't listen to my show? And let's say buy

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merge because then you can't play anymore?

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Absolutely, you know.

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I mean we're on every social it's change persona apart

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from YouTube, which is changed persona band. Now we've got

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merch on our website, change persona dot com and that's

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got updates and and.

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It's key to stress because everyone gets our band name wrong.

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It's change not changed. There's no d Everyone's like, oh,

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you're changed persona. No, no change that type of it's

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changing person person some other kind of variation on our banding. Yeah,

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change persona.

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Yeah, and you know what, it does make sense to

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me because I'm like thinking that would be a good gimmick.

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Like somebody said something you change persona, Like you're telling

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them to change their persona, but just say it like that,

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you know, it could be like a new thing.

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Yeah, I mean that was kind of what the band

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name was kind of about. It was a case of

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kind of like a middle finger to people who change

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who they are depending on who they're with to get.

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The reaction they want and like Lanning like that. Yeah,

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and it's like you should just be.

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Your authentic self, don't change who you are to fit

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in just like if people don't like you, that's fine.

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Yeah. And you know what, it's the same it's music.

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What happened in the eighties they change the persona of

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these metal bands to make them hair metal, and it

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killed the metal scene.

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Yeah, it's a massive shame, isn't it. Yeah, tot, And

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like you say, the more that you just do what

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you want to do, the more exciting things can be

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in the more interesting things easier and easier.

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Yeah, although that being said on the whole hair metal thing,

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I'm super excited to see Stell Panther because they're like

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the Mariady of that hair metal thing.

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Wait wait wait is the funniest shit ever. Have you

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seen them before?

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Not live, but I've listened to them Alaya.

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Everybody that hated hair metal as an artist is in

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the crowd loving it.

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Yeah.

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Like I've sat stood next to Cory Tailor while he's

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watching like I wasn't with him. I was just standing

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there watching him and he was so into it. Like

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you're the singer of Slipknot and his hair metal parody

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you're in love with And it's like everybody, like the

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heaviest people in metal love Steel Panther.

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Yeah. That's just so good at what they do, are though.

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They just perfectly like parody it whilst also kicking us

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at the same time.

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Right, totally. You know, it started out like a joke

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and it's become they're like one of the biggest pants

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out there. It's so funny, and that's the hair metal

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even I can handle.

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Yeah, right, I think.

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That's also the interesting spin on things that you can

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do right when you want to do something you want

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to do, and just like, you know, not take self

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so seriously, totally have fun.

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That's the key.

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People.

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If you're not having fun in this industry, it's the

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wrong industry because there's a lot of shit. Yeah you know,

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so the only payoff is having fun.

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Yeah, absolutely, and you're.

468
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Not making money so there's not that benefit either. So

469
00:22:25.839 --> 00:22:30.599
just have fun, whether you're the musician or the audience. Well,

470
00:22:30.640 --> 00:22:33.440
that's what it's about. Yeah. I also think that we

471
00:22:33.519 --> 00:22:36.359
need to with all this unrest in the world, we

472
00:22:36.440 --> 00:22:40.079
need to have one music festival that the whole world

473
00:22:40.319 --> 00:22:44.400
is required to go to because that will cure the

474
00:22:44.440 --> 00:22:47.319
whole world's problems. Forget everything else we're trying to do.

475
00:22:48.200 --> 00:22:51.440
Like when at a festival, are there people that aren't

476
00:22:51.519 --> 00:22:54.519
loving each other? Being a family and you're all different,

477
00:22:54.599 --> 00:22:58.160
there's no outsiders, we're all the same, nobody's judging anybody,

478
00:22:58.160 --> 00:23:00.960
nobody gives a shit what's going on, and you're just

479
00:23:02.240 --> 00:23:05.519
at peace with everybody. Yeah, it's all we're all piece.

480
00:23:06.000 --> 00:23:08.440
That's the way to solve it, wor old Piece is

481
00:23:08.519 --> 00:23:10.400
one big music festival.

482
00:23:11.079 --> 00:23:13.960
Yeah, And with that, that's the reason I come here

483
00:23:14.000 --> 00:23:16.000
every year. That I've been coming here every year since

484
00:23:16.039 --> 00:23:19.880
twenty eleven, the reason being it's, you know, it's the

485
00:23:19.880 --> 00:23:22.839
best festival there is in the UK by a mile,

486
00:23:23.359 --> 00:23:26.559
and for five days you forget all the crap that

487
00:23:26.599 --> 00:23:29.039
you've got going on at home everything, and you just

488
00:23:29.079 --> 00:23:31.119
in a field having fun with loads of other people

489
00:23:31.200 --> 00:23:32.200
are doing the same.

490
00:23:32.000 --> 00:23:35.920
Thing and the best therapy ever, it really is, people

491
00:23:35.920 --> 00:23:39.240
wouldn't be so pissed off. I think the reason everybody's

492
00:23:39.279 --> 00:23:42.200
all pissed off is because we had two years without

493
00:23:42.279 --> 00:23:44.960
live music and no outlet to get it out.

494
00:23:45.240 --> 00:23:47.759
That was a real difficult two years, no doubt it

495
00:23:47.799 --> 00:23:48.279
really was.

496
00:23:49.039 --> 00:23:51.519
It was like really hard for us to try and

497
00:23:52.000 --> 00:23:54.400
stay relevant, stay in people's minds, and that at that

498
00:23:54.440 --> 00:23:56.799
point in time because before we were gigging every week

499
00:23:57.200 --> 00:23:59.039
and then it comes to COVID and we were just

500
00:23:59.079 --> 00:24:01.920
trying to do like just videos of us miming along

501
00:24:02.000 --> 00:24:04.400
to songs and stuff like, just because you've got to

502
00:24:04.480 --> 00:24:05.920
keep putting the content out there. You've got to try

503
00:24:05.960 --> 00:24:07.440
and stay relevant. But how do you do it when

504
00:24:07.480 --> 00:24:10.319
you can't gig, when you can't leave your house and

505
00:24:10.519 --> 00:24:11.279
the live.

506
00:24:11.119 --> 00:24:14.480
Stream shows are not a live show, It's not the

507
00:24:14.559 --> 00:24:15.680
same feeling not the same.

508
00:24:15.680 --> 00:24:18.359
You can't get the same atmosphere not watching on a screen.

509
00:24:18.519 --> 00:24:18.960
You can't.

510
00:24:19.240 --> 00:24:21.279
That's just it's not a day between watching something on

511
00:24:21.319 --> 00:24:22.799
a screen and actually being in.

512
00:24:22.920 --> 00:24:27.599
The bigging through the band. It's like, how do they

513
00:24:27.960 --> 00:24:31.240
do it without a crowd that's interacting with them?

514
00:24:31.559 --> 00:24:34.079
Yeah, that to me, that's a Nuneare you feed off

515
00:24:34.119 --> 00:24:34.359
of it?

516
00:24:34.440 --> 00:24:37.119
Like you said earlier? To tie it all together, it's

517
00:24:37.200 --> 00:24:39.680
like when they yelled back at you, it's like, oh

518
00:24:39.799 --> 00:24:40.480
my god.

519
00:24:40.359 --> 00:24:42.559
There's no better feeling. You can't get that through a screen.

520
00:24:42.680 --> 00:24:46.440
No, absolutely, So what else do you want to tell

521
00:24:46.440 --> 00:24:48.960
the lizards that they need to know about what they

522
00:24:49.039 --> 00:24:53.759
need to get from you? To our days, anything that's

523
00:24:53.799 --> 00:24:54.240
going on.

524
00:24:54.480 --> 00:24:58.480
We're playing kinkson upon Thames in London, fighting Cox on

525
00:24:58.599 --> 00:25:02.839
June the twenty first, so it's coming up quick. But yeah,

526
00:25:03.079 --> 00:25:05.000
Flying Cocks are such an amazing venue.

527
00:25:05.200 --> 00:25:07.039
We played a few times. You have a good time.

528
00:25:07.480 --> 00:25:11.079
Also doing Rebellion Fringe that's on.

529
00:25:10.799 --> 00:25:11.839
The tenth of August.

530
00:25:12.440 --> 00:25:15.200
Yes, we're doing that one, and we're also hoping while

531
00:25:15.200 --> 00:25:17.440
we're recording in September as well, we've got new music

532
00:25:17.480 --> 00:25:20.759
coming nice, so we're really looking forward to that and

533
00:25:20.839 --> 00:25:21.680
George has one more.

534
00:25:21.920 --> 00:25:25.039
Yeah, we're also playing a punk festival in Uxbridge, just

535
00:25:25.039 --> 00:25:29.400
outside of London on the twenty seventh of September as

536
00:25:29.440 --> 00:25:30.799
well as like an all day thing, so that.

537
00:25:30.759 --> 00:25:32.799
Should be cool. But yeah, just I guess keep an

538
00:25:32.839 --> 00:25:35.000
eye on our socials. So it's like we.

539
00:25:35.000 --> 00:25:39.000
Said at Change Persona, everywhere on all platforms pretty much.

540
00:25:39.240 --> 00:25:41.440
And yeah we've got some new music dropping scene.

541
00:25:42.039 --> 00:25:46.119
Love it you guys, fucking rock. Glad you were here

542
00:25:46.240 --> 00:25:49.240
at download and thanks for being on the Adventures of

543
00:25:49.279 --> 00:25:49.720
paint Man.

544
00:25:49.880 --> 00:25:51.880
Thank you very much for having us. I really appreciate it.

545
00:25:51.960 --> 00:25:52.880
Thank you, you got it.

546
00:25:52.920 --> 00:25:55.440
Thanks having us on the show. Thank you, Thanks very much.

547
00:25:57.880 --> 00:26:02.680
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548
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