Aug. 29, 2024
PipemanRadio Interviews Drummer Tommy McKinnon
Drummer Tommy McKinnon
Derelict - The Escapist
2024 album, 'Versus Entropy'
Current Drummer of DERELICT / AKURION / CONFLUX
Bruce (cat) loves the sound of the drums
Take some zany and serious journeys with The Pipeman aka Dean K. Piper, CST on The...
Drummer Tommy McKinnon
Derelict - The Escapist
2024 album, 'Versus Entropy'
Current Drummer of DERELICT / AKURION / CONFLUX
Bruce (cat) loves the sound of the drums
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This is the pipe Man here on the Adventures pipe
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Man W four c Y Radio. And I'm here with
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our next guest, who is an amazing drummer. And there's
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some great new music we're going to talk about. So
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let's welcome to the show. Tommy McKinnon. How are you.
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I've good. How are you fight man?
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I'm doing great. First thing I want to say right
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off the bat before we talk about anything else, because
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this is the most important part, is why does Bruce
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love the sound of your drums so much?
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I've been trying to figure it out. Yeah, yeah, I
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was under the understanding that kats have an accute sense
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of hearing. But he's always been a music cat. And whenever,
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even if I practice on a practice bet, he's always
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sitting right by. And then when I drum sometimes he's
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he's on the chair behind me. You just nap him.
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I love it.
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Yeah, I don't know. I just think he likes the
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vibes and maybe when I'm I'm playing, I'm really relaxed,
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you just exit.
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Maybe it almost feels like to him like purring when
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when the beating of the drums is happening.
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That's possible. Yeah, I'm not sure, but he loves it.
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So there you go. There you go. And I had
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to bring it up because I saw that and I
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was like, that's definitely interview material that probably nobody else
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would bring up. All right, yeah, there you go. And
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my daughter she has two cats, and I'm sure if
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I call her up after an interview, she'd be like, yeah,
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I know, my cats would be running for the hills.
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But that well, see that, and I think, but though
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the running from the music, I think that may be
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like a representative of her. Maybe. You know a lot
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of times are animals they share our personality.
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Oh totally.
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So what I want to see next is like you
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guys do a TikTok where Bruce is playing the drums
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with you.
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Yeah, I have to figure out how to make that.
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That'd be funny, right.
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That would be totally funny. So let's talk about this
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badass new album by Derelic uh Man that first of
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all you're drumming. I'm old school, you know, like from
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the beginning of all this stuff, and you're drumming reminds
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me of like my favorite drummers in the eighties that
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were starting this whole type of music.
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Well, that's funny you say that, because you know I've
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been I've been listening to death metal pretty much since
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the beginning as well. Right, So I think that the
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first time I head back to East Side Legion, I
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must have been nine years old. Wow, So I kind
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of you know, I grew up mostly listening to like
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hair bands and rash metal whatever, everything from the semities.
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But you know, I, you know, I was always a
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moded angel path uh you know, suffocation type fan. And
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definitely when I was coming up as a player, you know,
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late nineties and after, Like I I listened to all
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those guys, right they've called us and Gino lind and
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Nicky d is like if the heavy that all Nickid
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is definitely a guy like I learned a lot of
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King Diamond songs when I was learning how to play.
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There you go.
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So that's all that's all in there, And for me,
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it's like, well, these guys have been around forever. They
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made records that sold and that are still praised. So
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for me, it's like, well, there's the school, right if
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you wanted any better teacher. And then eventually, you know,
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even as I went all tour and all that stuff,
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I ended up touring and meeting up with a bunch
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of those guys having a chance to exchange you know,
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you know, a few words or spent a few weeks
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on the road, and so it all kind of came
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to g better eventually, and it's part of who I
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am as part of my playing.
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You know, It's funny because I played drums for nine
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years as a kid until until like high school, and
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then I met, you know, a bunch of the old
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school drummers, and I was at shows. I'm like, yeah,
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I fucking suck. I'm yeah. I was like, I'm looking
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at these guys and I'm gone mad. There's no way
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I could drum like that, And you guys gave me.
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It's funny because you kind of gave me a little
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trigger of trauma with the practice pad, because I remember
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my dad would never get me a drum set till
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like way later. So I went for years only playing
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on practice pad and freaking hated it.
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Yeah. Yeah, it's kind of a brutal one for children,
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you knows. For me, my practice, I didn't even have
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a practice add on soil later, Like I started out
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just with a kit, you know. I basically just wanted
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some to beat on that wasn't going to hurt anybody.
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And my first practice bat I was using my bed,
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you know, and I had this blanket that had little
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squares on it, so I used the squares for like
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target practice or whatever. Anyway, that's cool.
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That's a cool technique right there. I like that, you
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know what.
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It's It's just something before coming into drumming when I
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was about fourteen fifteen, I didn't really know anything else.
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I was in into sports, I was in into anything,
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and then when I found that out, it was just everything,
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you know. It was all my attention was focused on that.
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And then you brought something before that would never you know,
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during the eighties, we would never say both things in
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one sentence, where we would mention hair metal and thrash.
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The come to that. Okay, check this out back in
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the day, you've probably seen this, maybe two. So if
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anybody wore Motley Cruise shirt to a Slayer show in
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LA back in the day. You would take the shirt
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from the kid, throw it up to Tom and he
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would burn it on stage.
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Oh that's funny. Wow, that's amazing. I never heard that
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one before, but I'm not surprised, right you know, Well,
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you know I heard like guys in Quebec City getting
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punched in the head for wearing spandex and stuff like that. Yeah,
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you know, I came up. I came up in the nineties, right, so,
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like I'm born in the eighties, but you know, I
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came around all that stuff a little later. So it
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was kind of like grunge was already pretty big by
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the time I found out about King Diamond, you know.
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So for me, it was just anything from nineteen seventy
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one or even like sixty six, you know, like deals,
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Let's uplone, anything from led Zepp to so Morbid Angel
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was just one stream of you know. You know, I
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lived in a small town and I had a CD
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player and a tape deck, and for me, it was
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just one big progression, you know, And I saw I
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just listened to everything depending on the mood I was.
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I just loved electric guitar and solos, and you know. Yeah,
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it's just that's physics.
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It Yeah, it's funny. You should say that too, because
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I was just talking about that in the last interview. Okay,
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So recently I interviewed John Lodge from The Moody Blues
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and I said to him, I'm like, you know how
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I know about your band because I had a brother
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that was eleven years older than me, and I rifled
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through his albums and I used to steal his albums
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and yours is one that I stole, and he goes, Yeah,
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thank god for older brothers, or we'd have no fans,
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because that's how we got our fab base.
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Yeah. Yeah, yeah. I didn't have an older brother, but
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my my, my best friend growing up did have an
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older brothers into everything, and they had like a whole
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box of you know, cassettes, and so I eat, I'd go,
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I'd bring him virgin tapes that he would make me
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mixes and shit, and that's how I got into all
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that stuff. Yeah whatever, Yeah.
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And I'll tell you too. Okay. So before there was
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a such thing as thrash and before there was such
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lance hair metal, I saw a Motley Crewe at the
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Roxy nineteen eighty. I think it was before their album
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came out, and they were not glamb at all. They
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weren't they weren't glamb at all. They were like horror punk,
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right it was. And that's really so you talk about
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the progression, I went that through that same progression. I
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went from like the old school rock, which is all
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you had, and then you had like the Bridge Invasion
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and may you know, the Made in the Priests, and
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then we started to have the the other bands that
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weren't thrash yet, weren't hair metal yet. It was just
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LA bands, and Molly Crue was like the heaviest band
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there was in LA until those first Metallic en Slayer shows.
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But you know, it's interesting because we should have all
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gotten along, and I'm so happy that now, in twenty
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twenty four, old metal heads can get along.
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I think that that's a long's that was a long
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week coming, you know. Yeah, And there's a flea culture
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shift that happened over the last like ten years or so.
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We're gate keeping is just not really happening anymore. You know.
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I hated it.
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That happening exactly, I think, yeah, yeah, yeah. For me,
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it was always uh, you know, openness and just having
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a good time, you know, But uh yeah, I don't.
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I don't know, like I in the tech de years,
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was doing a lot of touring, the scenees already like
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like a lot more female and dance. You know, there's
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a lot more fusion, you know, kind of bills where
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we would have metal core with debt metal and you know,
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everything in between. So it's for me, it's more about,
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you know, are these guys cool to hang out with her?
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Not right exactly, you know, And I used to think it.
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It used to have to hide stuff, Okay. So it's
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like I remember when I started getting into sleigh, my
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friends were like, Okay, we're gonna have to burn all
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your Montley cruise. Shit. I'm like, you're not burning it, No, yes,
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we are.
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You know.
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And and then people would say, yeah, in reference to
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what you're saying about females, that yeah, the only females
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in metal are are in hair metal, and they're not females.
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You know.
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You know, but I can tell you now, I think
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the most badass metal heads a lot of times are females.
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You know.
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You take people like Ginger Ginger or you know, Courtney
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from spirit Box or you know New Year's Day, or
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I mean there's Butcher Babies. There's so many that I
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can name that. Man, I don't know.
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I yeah, I think.
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Yeah, and oh and you're gonna you're gonna hate this.
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I saw a Merciful Fate at the Troubadour in the eighties.
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Oh, I wish I only saw a guy in Uh
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the last tour, the the Never they never made it
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through Canada.
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So oh yeah, the last one, God bless the last
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one Merciful Fate played at. I think it was Hellfest.
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I'm trying that. I was at that they played at.
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But uh yeah, but Vancouver when the when the odd
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new album comes out in a couple of years there.
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Yeah, and see I think your new album here.
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Uh.
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That's why I'm bringing all this stuff up because it
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does give me old school vibes, like the talent behind.
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Because one of the things I find nowadays is there's
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a lot of metal bands that just sound exactly the same,
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and yours just gave me the vibe of old school
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where you know you were in the same genre, but
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nobody sounded the same, you know. Possessed Dark Angel Slayer
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exis they all did not sound the same. You could
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tell them apart easily. I could know a Possessed song
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in like three seconds max.
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because we're all over the place now, but we're all
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originally kind of a band for Montreal sounds very Montreal,
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like criptopscener Raxes, you know. So there was always a
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big melting but there of like New York death metal
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with thrash, you know, and like a little bit of
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New School, but just I would say more it's like modern, right,
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It's not like trending new school. It's more like a
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modern touch to it. Yeah, but they're great guys to
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work with.
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I love the combining of genres, like the blending genres,
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which we couldn't do back in the day. I think
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it just makes better music and a more unique sound.
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