PipemanRadio Interviews EKOH about NEW SINGLE MAYDAY

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and I'm here with our next guest
who First I really dig his new

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song, but I dig the whole
concept of his music. So let's welcome

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to the show. Echo, how
are you? What's up? Dude?

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Thanks for having me Man appreciate here. I'm glad to be here. What's

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going on? Oh my pleasure.
And the reason I said what I just

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did is because I saw that basically, your fans have labeled you as heart

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pop and I love that. Yeah, me too, especially because I don't

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think I'm savvy enough to have come
up with that on my own. So

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it's actually pretty cool. It is
a really cool label. If you could

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have a label, I mean,
I hate labels, but if you gotta

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have one, that's the one that
have. Yeah, there's anybody. I'm

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pretty against all labeling with everything,
So to have to put a label on

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myself, it would have to be
something that really rains true with me,

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and that one absolutely does. So
I'm pretty lucky to have, you know,

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really dedicated and I'm just kind of
close knit that really cares and really

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digs into what I'm about and kind
of connects with it in their own way

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and then take it and build their
own communities and their own slang words and

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their own terminology and make their own
stuff. And it's really cool. Really

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just for me to be a part
of what they're doing is really awesome.

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And you know what else I love
about it is Okay. So, first

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of all, it says a lot
about your fans of what they think of

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you for them to come up with
that, and that they really from based

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on what I saw about you,
that they really understand who you are as

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an artist. You know, like
sometimes fans they don't they just like the

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music, they don't really get what
the artist is all about. But it's

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like it's almost like they get you. Yeah. I think that's kind of

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like, uh, I mean,
that's the byproduct of if you're honest in

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your music and you write your own
music and you put the time and effort

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into you know, there's nobody with
their hands on this other than me,

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and so everything that comes out is
you know, made by me, and

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you know I have my hands in
everything, and so if you're watching it,

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it is authentic, you know.
And if you're authentic with everything they're

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writing, and you're being honest in
your lyrics and you're really putting yourself out

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there, people will relate. And
that's one thing I've kind of learned more

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about songwriting in general is I used
to think to relate to a broad audience

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you need to speak in broad terms, you know, you need to you

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know, brush and broad strokes.
But the one thing I've learned more and

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more the more I do this is
that the more specific you are to your

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own story, somehow, the more
relatable you've become to more people because it's

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not necessarily even about the details,
it's about the feeling. Yeah, And

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because they can tell you're being real, Like, it's so easy, at

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least for me to tell if an
artist is just you know, plugging in

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some formula or if they're just being
real. Yeah. I mean it's easy

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to kind of phone it in sometimes
if you want to, and in a

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world where you know, not even
not even trying to phone in, but

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there's a lot of people that don't
you know, write their own songs or

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write their own music, or they're
being influenced by you know, a label

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or producers or whatever it may be. I've tried my best throughout my career

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to kind of cut out the noise
and just listen to myself and only make

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what I want to make, and
only make what I like. And yeah,

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it's it's it's a weird thing.
I think it's more of a service

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to the fans to not try and
make what they like. Mm hmm.

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I've also found, you know,
like when you try to please people,

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you're always there's always people you're not
gonna please, Like, you're never gonna

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please everybody, so you might as
well please yourself and then your people will

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come. Yeah, and that that's
one hundred percent man. And you know

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the success of if you find success
in trying to please others, it's not

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even as gratifying. You know,
it doesn't feel was good because in the

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back of your mind, you know
I did that. I wasn't being one

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hundred percent true. It's so much
better if it's like, Okay, this,

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I wrote exactly what I wanted to
write, how I wanted to write

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in and said what I wanted to
say, and it connected. And that's

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a special feeling. I love that. You know. What I also love

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about the label that you have,
because I'm so anti label, is that

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when your fans, especially give you
a label, that that's if you were

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to call it, quote unquote a
genre, it's your genre. It's not

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like being part of a genre.
It's just being you. And like I

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go on tour and I do coverage
of music festivals, and one of the

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funniest things we do when I do
interviews on site is that because I hate

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the genre labels and boxing artists in, I'm like, well, if you

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were to come up with your own
genre that only your band was in,

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what would that genre be Because that's
the only way you're really able to be

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an artist and express yourself, opposed
to oh my god, you know,

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like they're not playing something that I'm
used to hearing like you should be able

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to play whatever you want, you
know. Yeah, so that's a question

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you actually ask people. Yeah.
Absolutely, It's so fun too, because,

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like you know, nowadays, there's
so many subgenres micro genres that it's

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kind of getting ridiculous. And I
find that a lot of artists they have

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to go by this like formula.
I call it an algebraic equation to make

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their music, because God forbid they
should just stray a little bit off the

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road. People are like, oh, oh, sellout poser, blah blah

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blah or whatever they want to say, and all the gatekeepers come out and

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say shit. And to me,
like, being an artist means experimenting and

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doing what makes you feel good no
matter where you go with your music.

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Yeah, I mean, I couldn't
agree more man. And I think a

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lot of that comes down to labels, you know, pushing people. It's

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easier to sell something that is just
this one thing. It's like, if

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you know what this is, it's
in this box, we can sell this.

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Yeah, And that's always been my
issue with labels as being like,

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well what are you. I'm like, I'm just me, man. You

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know, if I want to make
a rap song, you know, because

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that's how I'm feeling that day,
and that's how I feel I can best

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express the message I'm trying to get
out is through this medium. I'm going

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to do that. If if I'm
feeling like, yo, let's I want

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to make some heavy shit, let's
let's go hard on, you know,

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make a sound like holding your head
or hurt myself or something like that,

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I'm like, that's how I can
get out what I want there. And

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then it's like, Okay, well
we want you to do more of this,

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and my head's always like I can
only make what I can make.

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If that makes it, Oh yeah, that makes total sense. And I

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think that's where artists today, I
think, in some ways are a lot

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luckier. Everybody talks about the negativity
of things like Spotify and TikTok and all

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that and not having the record labels, but as somebody that was very involved

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in the music scene on the Sunset
Strip in the eighties and seeing what these

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record labels did to these bands,
it's like, thank god, artists like

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you can just make their own music, because that's what destroyed genres and destroyed

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bands was the record labels doing that. Yeah, it becomes commercialized and it's

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you know, investors, and it's
all these people that aren't creatives, you

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know, judging the trajectory of an
artistic medium. It's like, how can

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you How are we letting this happen? When did the power come out of

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the hands of the artists and the
creators and go into the hands of just

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the people making decisions with money that
should not be making these decisions. It

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is a detriment to the genre,
to the medium, to the art for

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these people making these decisions. And
it's not everybody. There are people at

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labels that know what they're doing and
have an artistic vision, but it's hard

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to have that for twenty artists under
your belt anyways. And you know it

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now, that's why you see the
resurgence of all these random genres that we

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thought were dead or weren't cool anymore. It's like, no, they were

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always cool. It's just we only
saw what labels were pushing to radio,

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and so we are a slave to
whatever gets put in front of our faces.

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And now when it's like, oh
you can like whatever you want again,

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yeah, now people are like,
oh shit, I have control to

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like what I like. I don't
have to like only what's put in front

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of me. Let's go. That's
one thing I love about Europe when I

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go over to Europe to cover festivals
there is because that's exactly actly what happened.

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There were bands that I thought were
gone and dead for like ten twenty

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years, and I'm like, oh
my god, they were just in Europe

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all this time. You'll see that
a lot with like especially like underground hip

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hop acts like that I grew up
listening to. There was like this is

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like the punk rock of hip hop
back in the day where it was like

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you know, Jedi mind tricks and
already the Ruggyman and artists like you know,

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styles and beyond, artists like this
that don't even tour the US,

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but they go over to Europe and
absolutely crush right, and you're like,

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yes, okay, I'm I'm glad
there's an audience. I knew it was

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somewhere and it's like this is where
it's at, Like I should live here,

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right. You know. It even
holds true for people like me and

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press or doing coverage at all these
music festivals and shows because I do them

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all over the US, I do
them in the UK, I do them

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in Europe. And Europe and UK
they still treat press as if they were

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actually press, whereas here it's like
they're trying to eliminate all the in the

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individual press so that they can control
the narrative just like everything else. Yeah,

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I mean that it's unfortunate. You
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think was that last year we did
a festival out in Finland, and yeah,

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it just felt like going back in
time a little bit, and it

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was just, you know, the
vibe is so cool and the fans are

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so appreciative, and not that they're
not in the US, but it's just

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a very different energy. Yeah.
It's also a different feeling when you know,

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English isn't somebody's first language and there
and they're singing all your words and

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you're like, no, right wild. Yeah. I always think, man,

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that must feel so good as an
orus. These people can't even you

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know, have a conversation with somebody
in English, let's say, but yet

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they're singing every lyric of your song
and they know what it means. Yeah.

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That's that's one of probably one of
the most like culture shock and also

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just like whoa moments is going that
far away just knowing that your music can

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get that far. And I mean
that's you know, more of a testament

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to you know, the Spotify is
and the tiktoks that you know a lot

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of people do have negative things to
say about. It's like, well,

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how are you going to do that
before? Before this? Because that that

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puts the hand the power back in
the hands of the artists where we can

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make something like that happen on our
own and that's incredible. Yeah, totally.

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So the new single maybe I love
the concept of that because I kind

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of I can relate to it too. So maybe you could tell the listeners

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your story behind that song. Oh
man. I mean, may Day is

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a song for me that's been kind
of years in the in the making.

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It's a song about being unable to
open up and be vulnerable. A lot

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of my problems I've noticed in personal
relationships or in you know, romantic relationships

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tend to be my inability to open
up and be vulnerable and to really let

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somebody in and tell somebody what's really
going on with me and be authentic and

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let you see the parts of me
that I'm afraid that you're going to judge,

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and tell you the thoughts that I
have that might feel stupid, and

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you know, if I'm insecure or
not feeling confident or all these kinds of

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here I'm scared or things like this, or all these things that I hold

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in and instead of talking about it, you know, and especially if you're

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in a romantic relationship, your partner
probably knows right, you know, they

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can sense it, and we'll ask
you know, what's going on, tell

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me what's going on there? Just
one should open up. But once you

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open up and instead just pushing it
down and pushing it down. And there's

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always the moment when everything comes to
the service, whether it's you know,

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self destructing in a way with like
substances, or or just making stupid decisions

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or doing things that are a detriment
to yourself. And by the time it

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comes out, whether it's a lie
that gets found out or you know,

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hurting somebody, by that point it's
too late to open up. But also

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by that time it's the easiest to
open up because everything's already out in the

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open. And when everybody, when
somebody finally knows everything, it's so much

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easier to open up. And I've
noticed why am I closest to my relationships

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right after one of those moments,
right you know, that's a good that's

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some good enlightenment right there, because
some people they don't they don't even think

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of that part of it. Yeah, I think it was like, why

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do I feel closest with the people
I'm with right after chaos, right after

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something terrible happened? And it's really
because then everything's out in the open.

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I can be vulnerable. It's like
you now see all of me and you

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accepted it, so I feel safe
and now I can talk about these things.

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But and then and then the cycle
happens again, and it's like,

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you know, may day, the
fucking ships go going down, and now

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I'm finally ready to open up,
you know, but it has to it

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has to come crashing down first.
That's why I totally relate to this song

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too, because, you know,
growing up for me, you know,

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guys aren't supposed to do that and
express their feelings and just deal with it,

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you know. And the thing is, I always talk about, as

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funny as you say, romantic relationships
because now at this stage of life,

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I'm like, I need to find
the person who knows the me inside my

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head because nobody in the world knows
that person. You know, and especially

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when you're an artist like you or
you know, in the public eye,

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people think they know you, but
they don't, you know, and you

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know, most it's like you're always
living in a facade, you know,

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because yes, part of you is
out there and that is part of you,

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but that and there's another part of
you that nobody ever gets to experience

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or see, because, like you
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you know, society dictates oh blah
blah blah blah blah. You know.

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And I think it's great that you
made a song like this so people can

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see the message, get the message, and maybe future people can change and

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not have to bury that because nothing
good happens from burying that crap. No,

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not at all, man. And
I agree with the you know,

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can I find someone that I can
let really know the person that's that's up

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here, because I feel, you
know, you're like if I told you

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everything I was thinking, you be
like, what the fuck are you?

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Okay? You know all the way. But to be able to find someone

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it's like, yeah, that I
can be completely authentic with that you can

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let see all of you is a
very it's a very risky endeavor. To

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to kind of make you know,
it's not easy to you know, let

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somebody know all these parts and be
open, and it's just so uncomfortable,

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you know, and especially you're right, you know, being being raised,

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you know, uh, with the
with toxic masculinity and and all these things

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of not opening up or you know, not being sensitive or whatever it may

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be that there's things that are ingrained
in us that you can't do this or

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can't do that. And I remember
I was watching that was that movie Ironclaw,

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you know, and it's like horrible, horrible series of events that happens

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with this family. I'm just like, this is just toxic masculinity on a

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mass scale of like all these guys
that were unable to open up and just

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say what's going on? And uh, you know, you push it down

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for long enough and it's You're right, there's nothing. Everything you bury deep

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down will eventually grow, oh you
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it never grows into anything good.
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did you ever see the series Dexter? Yes? Okay, so I kind

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of related to Dexter because he had
four relationships in that series. The first

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one he could only be good Dexter
because that woman would never understand his dark

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passenger, so he always had to
hide that dark passenger. And then the

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second woman, he could never be
good Dexter because she wanted only the bad

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boy, so God forbid anything he
did would be good. She went like

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that third one was temporary because of
a situation. But Hannah McKay was the

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key because Dexter could be everything he
was with her and there was no judgment

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and he could finally be one hundred
percent himself. And then he lost the

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urge to kill people because he could
be one hundred percent. And I think

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that says it all. Yeah,
it's a huge it's a huge thing.

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And that is like, you know, the idea that I am not every

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piece of me, I'm all the
pieces, you know, because there there

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is you know I do have especially
when you when man, I hate saying

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like, when you're in this business, it feels very like pretentious, but

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you know there is a piece of
this that is very put out for the

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world social media, you know,
put on a face, sell your stuff,

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you know, it just it becomes
that because you want people to see

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the art that you've made, and
there is a certain way to get your

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art to people the way that they'll
be able to see it with algorithms and

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stuff like that. So there is
a piece of that game you do have

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to play in a face you do
have to put on to get the art

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that you care about to people so
that they can see it. You know.

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So there is a piece that you
have to put on for and then

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there's a piece you have to put
on when you're around, you know,

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if you're playing live shows. And
then there's the piece when you're just at

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home with your dogs and you have
to go pick up dog shit in the

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backyard. All human being, there's
all these different pieces, and you know,

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having one bad day or having a
good day, neither of these is

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my full identity. It's an encapsulation
of it all, and it's hard to

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remember that there is that is the
whole person, is all of it instead

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of just the little moments. Totally. Now, I also want to talk

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about the special show you did on
the ninth of February, because there were

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two things I thought were really cool
about that. Considering I have like I

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think thirty pairs of Vans nice,
I was totally like, well, that's

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really cool. Vans will be on
site, give it away free swag,

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and then you could get in by
just wearing vans like that'd be perfect,

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get in everywhere. And then more
importantly donating to Music Cares because what a

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great, great thing for helping.
What a great charity organization, And you

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know, I think it's something that's
so seriously needed now more than ever,

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because there's so much mental illness in
the music industry now and there's so much

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help that's needed. So I think, not only is the organization way cool,

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but it's way cool that you did
a show that donated money to that

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organization. Yeah, I mean,
that whole thing ended up being on you

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know, on every side of it
was so fulfilling and it is so cool

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to see and very just it was
very moving just to see the whole thing

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because we've been doing this thing with
you know, of signing vans. I've

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been doing that for maybe three years
now and we've signed thousands of pairs of

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vans, and it's a it's a
big part of the community that you know,

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my fans have built is is wearing
vans the shows and getting them signed,

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you know, while I'm performing and
making their own and bringing them to

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shows. And meet and greets and
stuff like that. So it's always been

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such a huge piece and we've always
tried to get Vans attention. Every maybe

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I would say like every quarter,
we would make a video of all the

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highlights of us signing and we tag
Vans, and it was always just like

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a, well, just throw another
one out and nothing's going to happen.

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They never reached out, and I
was just like just kind of, you

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know, resigned to the fact that
it's not going to happen, but we're

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not going to stop doing what we
do. And so the fact that they,

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you know, reached out and took
some interest and asked and we're curious

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about what we're doing, and at
that point we just kind of hail married

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in. We're like, okay,
well, let's do a free show.

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If we're wearing Vans, let's you
know, make this something cool for the

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fans. Because at the end of
the day, for us, it really

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comes down to, you know,
how can we make this a cool fan

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experience? Yeah, and and and
make something you know, unique for people

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to be a part of. And
once you know, we're like, okay,

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we can make it free, but
what do we do for people aren't

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wearing vans. And I've always been
a big you know, warped tour and

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so I know what Kevin Lyman does. And I've known about Music Cares for

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a long time, especially during the
pandemic. The Music Cares is doing and

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I think it's incredibly important. And
like you said, I think it's very

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important now, not only because of
the amount of you know, how mental

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illness is actually being you know,
a light shed on it, but there's

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more artists now than there ever have
been. I think that that's a part

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of you know, social media and
being able to do it independently. So

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there's so many more artists now.
There is so much more pressure as an

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artist because there are so many more
artists and the output you have to have

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is so much greater. And with
social media being a piece of that,

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there's even more pressure and there's even
more nuance to the problems that you can

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face as an artist and the mental
gymnastics they have to learn how to do,

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and the pressure and all this kind
of stuff. And none of us

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have health insurance, right, so
because you're chasing a dreaming, you want

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to do this kind of stuff.
And I meant a lot of people don't

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have health insurance, that have regular
jobs. So how important it is to

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support an organization like that, to
me is a no brainer. So the

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fact that we were able to support
that organization and Vans ends up coming out

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and a lot of the fans that
came out to the show, you know,

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a lot of my fan base don't
have you know, I mean,

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and it's not even just my fan
base. A lot of people are struggling

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right now with financially you know,
it's hard. You know, concert tickets

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are not cheap. Buying merches and
cheap, getting a babysitter, getting gas,

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parking, all the kind of stuff
that goes into a night of going

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to a show is not cheap.
And so a lot of the people that

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came out to that show weren't even
wouldn't have been able to come to a

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show if it wasn't free. And
so the fact that they were able to

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come to a show and Vans also
goes, hey, we see you,

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and we see what you're doing and
we support you too. It was like

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a group of people that we're told
like, you're important. I love it,

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And to me, that's the most
important thing as a fan or as

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a human being told like, hey, you're important. Don't forget that.

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I just because you can't afford tickets
to a show doesn't mean you don't deserve

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to go to a show, doesn't
mean you're not important, doesn't mean you

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shouldn't have cool shit, Like we're
going to show you that you are important

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and we're going to give you a
good time on us. And that was

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a cool thing. And the fact
that Vans showed up and then Vans picked

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up the check for music cares.
They're like, we're going to pick up

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the check and pay for it,
so everybody got into show free and if

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you didn't have a pair of Vans
put up the money for music. It

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was just such a cool thing all
around. And it was by far one

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of the most fulfilling experiences I've had
playing a live show ever. It was

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really really fun. Oh, I
so love hearing that. It's so amazing

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because I even think nowadays, I'm
like, I don't even know how teenagers

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go to shows. I went to
shows like almost every day of the week,

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but it was like two dollars for
a ticket, five dollars if I

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wanted a T shirt, you know, and you could scrape the change together

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to go to a show. I
don't even know how teenagers do it nowadays,

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to be honest, neither do I. Man, It's it's definitely different

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now than I used to go to
free shows and parking lots, and those

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were the best I can right,
I can't remember the last you know what

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free show has happened, you know? Or Yeah, tickets just used to

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be twenty bucks if it was like
a really big bill, you know,

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twenty twenty five dollars. Now tickets
are forty five dollars, seventy five dollars.

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It's a lot. Yeah, totally. So let's tell everybody how they

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can reach out to you on the
web. Connect you on socials. Check

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out your new single may Day,
plus all your other music and everything you

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got going on. Yeah, you
can find me on all social platforms.

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It's all at Echo Music. It's
e koh music everywhere, Echo on all

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music platforms, YouTube, wherever,
wherever you listen to music, you can

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find me. Nice any final words
you want to leave our listeners with,

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Oh, man, that's that's I
don't know. I just I mean,

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thank you, man, I just
thanks for tuning in and listening. I

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appreciate anybody who you know is open
minded and willing to give our music a

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shot and listen to something. Maybe
if it doesn't, it might not necessarily

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feel like it's in the genre that
that you normally play around in or listen

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to music in. I hope that
you can relate to the substance, you

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know, sometimes even more than the
genre, because that's that's kind of what

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we're all about. I think it's
so important in me, even myself,

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Like I'm a metal head and a
punk and I dig your music. So

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genre mean crap, Okay, I
mean I grew up on metal, punk

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and hip hop, like underground hip
hop, which when I was growing up

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was like punk rock right exactly,
you know what I mean. So I

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moved from punk rock straight underground hip
hop and was like, this is fuck

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the system. We're doing it on
our own. DIY like we'll say what

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we want, go against the grain, like say it how it is.

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It's like, this is where it's
at. It's the attitude, it's the

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man, it really is. I
do believe that, So I appreciate that

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compliment. Man, thank you anytime, and thanks for giving us such great

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music and great message, and thanks
for being on the Adventures of pipe Man

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anytime, dude. Thank you,
Thank you for listening to the Adventures of

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Pipe Man on W for CUI Radio.