PipemanRadio Interviews James Baker About Rebirth of RORSCHACH TEST

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And I'm here with our next guest. And man, I am excited about

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this because there's some cool new music
and it's got a really good meaning to

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it, and I want to talk
about the record label and a lot of

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things. So let's welcome to the
show. James Baker for more shocks tests.

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Sorry can thanks so much for having
me today. Yeah, my pleasure.

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And so first I just want to
talk about you know, it's been

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a while since you guys have been
around, and you've been doing a lot

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of other things in the meantime.
They're helpful to humanity in my opinion.

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So tell us a little bit about
your journey getting to this point to this

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new music. Well, when things
fell apart in two thousand and two.

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It's really no secret to the you
know, the fans, and pretty much

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everyone knew what was going on.
And I'm only going to speak for myself.

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But I was in the midst of
an immense battle with substance use disorder,

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and so the first matter of business
for me was to regain control of

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myself and to get clean and to
get sober. And so I had to

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take a long break. And it
was a long road, with many different

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attempts and this and that and different
treatment methods, and finally I have found

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relief for myself in life. And
upon finding that relief, I decided that

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there was really nothing better for me
to do than to try and help someone

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who was like me, who was
still suffering. And so, you know,

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I took it as far as I
could. I actually went to college

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again and got a degree in behavioral
health. You know, if you know

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anything about my history prior to becoming
a musician, I was ordained as a

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Protestant minister, and things did not
work out with the church and me when

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I was a young man. But
much later in life, that ordination,

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that seminary degree that I had turned
turned out to work into a position as

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a hospice chaplain in Phoenix, which
has just been some of the most trans

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transformative moments imaginable in my life.
Spending the last few days and hours with

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people who are on their way out
of this life experience, it really helps

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you gain perspective on what's valuable and
what isn't and so I've just been very

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great to have that going on in
the background. I've always wanted to bring

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rorshock tests back, especially after especially
after getting clean and sober, because I

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wanted to share that aspect of the
message of my personal life with the fan

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base that we have. It's important
for me to let them know that as

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as hopeless as it may seem,
or as far down as you may have

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gone, no matter how hard you've
hit the ground, there is hope and

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things can change. And so,
you know, I kind of had that

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in my heart, and then all
of a sudden, just all the right

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elements for a comeback came together.
The narcoleptic Goddess handed me some lyrics,

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which you know, man, I
just had to write a song to them.

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By the way, that's the first
time I've ever accepted lyrics from someone

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else. Nice. Oh, maybe
that's what you learn too, right,

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Yeah, oh yeah, definitely so. And then running into Michael Bolenbach of

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full Well Recording Studios in Phoenix.
You walk into this studio and it's it's

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like a museum of the recording industry. It's got all sorts of analog stuff,

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but he also has the most modern
and up to date digital stuff as

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well. And I knew I was
home when I walked into that studio.

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And working for him as an engineer
and assistant producer was a young man by

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the name of Colby Peoples, and
we were in the process of tracking fall

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In the song, the single that
we just released, and Mike said,

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you know, yell, let Bobby
have a whack at that guitar line's let's

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And I said, oh, he
plays guitar and Mike said yeah. And

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I was just thinking to myself,
well, I better be be polite here,

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you know, you know, it
is his studio, and I understand

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he's trying to help the kid out
and whatnot. So yeah, I said,

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okay, sure, let's let's hear. Let's hear what your idea is

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on it. Kobe and I had
not gotten hills up and down my spine

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like that since I worked with Jeff
Loomis, you know, just absolutely mind

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blowing talent, not only on the
guitar, but also with all the new

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digital recording devices there are and software, you know, digital workstations. He

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knows all that stuff like the back
of his hand. He's forgotten more about

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digital recording than most people have ever
learned. And he's still a young man.

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So all the all the elements came
to get the other at once,

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and I thought, wow, we're
not just going to record a song here,

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We're going to do an album.
And everyone agreed, and so we

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you know, we filmed a video
for the song to just kind of come

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out of hiding and say hey,
we're active again. It's a real thing,

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and we're really excited about releasing the
full length LP, which has the

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same title as the single, Fallen
in October October thirty first of this year.

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It'll be out. I love that
it's gonna be out on Halloween.

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That's so perfect. Yeah, definitely. So yeah, That's why I wanted

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to tell a story because I love
hearing stuff like that. You know,

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you're this part of me is radio
personality, but there's another part of me,

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motivational speaker, personality and yeah,
you know, that whole thing of

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you know, no matter how bad
it gets, that that there's still a

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chance and that there's you know,
there can be light at the end of

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the tunnel is such a big thing
for me because you just never know when

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things are going to change, and
you know, sometimes it takes certain,

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I don't know, certain magical things
to happen, kind of like what happened

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with you, just you know,
your whole story of starting one way,

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leaving that, but then it's coming
back later to show you see, there

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is a reason that you went that
route to begin with. And yeah,

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I mean being a hospice chaplain.
Ah, that's like one of the hardest

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and most rewarding things you could do
as far as I can. I'm concerned,

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you know because, like you said, you know, you're seeing people

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at their last moments and that's hard. But then you're getting these revelations from

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people because listen, we all grew
up this way. You're like, what's

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important in life till we realize how
unimportant everything we ever thought in life was

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important? Right? Yeah, absolutely, And when I took the job,

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I really didn't know what to expect, but it has been such a gift,

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you know, to hold the hand
of someone who may have questions,

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may have fears, may have regrets
that they want to clear up. And

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this amazing transparency suddenly happens when someone
knows they're they're on their way out.

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There's an honesty like I've never seen
before. There's no reason to put up

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pretenses or false identities or any of
it anymore. Yeah, and I thought

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to myself after being with the first
patient that left this world, you know,

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this is how human beings should be
living their entire life experience. Yes,

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but we as a motivational speaker,
you probably know this. The most

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hardcore prisons that a person can wind
up in are those that we construct within

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our mind. And you know,
especially when it comes to things like suicidal

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ideation, which is something that this
album and rorshach Test really wants to raise

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awareness on with this album because regardless
of the fact that it's not so much

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in the news anymore, it's old
news, it is bigger. It's a

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bigger problem in America and the world
that it's ever been before. Yeah,

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and I don't think the pandemic helped
that very much. It just kind of

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threw gas lean on the fire.
And if you've ever been in that situation

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or you know someone who has,
you know, you get into this mentality

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where you just feel so trapped in
the idea that everything is hopeless, that

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there's no way that whatever mess you're
in could unravel, there's no way whatever

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the situation is could get better.
And then if just someone, anyone,

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offers you a different perspective, it
can change, just like that, absolutely.

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And so you know, one of
the main things that we want to

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really emphasize in releasing this album that's
coming out is if you're feeling like that,

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do not hesitate to reach out and
talk to somebody, because just that

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that conversation could completely change your life. Yeah, no doubt. And then

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you know, different people experience it
different ways, and so there there's some

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kind of coping tools, and a
lot of times people don't know what these

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coping tools are, and it could
be anything that could trigger them to think,

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wow, maybe there is hope,
you know, and that's the key,

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Like what you said, they're in
such a dark place that there is

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no hope that they think that the
better way is out. And you know,

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it's funny, I have my own
coping tool that I'm not saying everybody

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should use like I said, everybody
has their own what works for them.

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But my thing has always been,
even if I was in the darkest places

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of my life, what if it's
worse then what do I do? That's

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something I've always like said to myself. When I get to that really dark

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place, I'm like, yeah,
but what if it's worse, then what

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do I do? And that's really
that those are the words for me that

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bring me back to you know,
hope so to speak. Right, Yeah,

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I can agree. I can remember
sitting in different kinds of meetings that

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were recovery oriented and listening to people
stay over and over again, something to

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the effect of, I know that
if I go out one more time,

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if I if I use one more
time, or I drink one more time,

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that's it. I'll be dead.
And I would always think to myself,

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if you're lucky, if as the
fact of the matter is is that

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there are things that are worse,
you know there there is continuous patterns of

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addiction that people get themselves into which
there is no escape. It's just over

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and over and over again, a
revolving door of pain. And people talk

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about hitting bottom well, every time
I would hit bottom, you know,

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the ice would crack and I'd fall
down another ten levels. You know,

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it's always possible to go lower to
your point. But you know the thing

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is is as quickly as things can
can get bad for someone, they can

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also get good. Instantly things change. And you know, the main thing

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that has helped me as a musician
and as a fan of music is when

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I listen to my genre of preference, whether it be industrial metal, gothic

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country, whatever it might be,
I try to find kinship with those who

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are singing about the subject matters that
align with my life experience. And I

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do that because in listening to them, I realize I'm not alone. Yeah.

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I've had a lot of people throughout
the years tell me that that's how

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they felt when they heard our albums
Unclean and Peace Minus One and Self Will

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Run Riot. They realized that there
were others who felt like them, who

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had been through things like them,
and it caused them to grab on to

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hope in that moment because the thought
came into their head, Wait a minute,

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I'm not alone. There's there's lots
of people that feel like this.

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James Baker like this, So yeah, and so you know, I would

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hope also as an older guy now
hopefully with a few more life lessons under

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his belt, a bit more maturity. I don't want to just stop with

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identifying the problem and saying, you
know, life hurts, it sucks,

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blah blah blah. I want to
go on from there and start talking about

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solutions too. And I don't want
they want to get me wrong. This

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album's not going to be with sunshine
and the power of positive thinking. You

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know, I believe in that sort
of stuff personally, absolutely, But the

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subject matter of the album is UH
is going to create that bridge of empathy

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for those who listen where they realize, wow, you know there are others

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who feel like me. And now
we're dealing with almost a third generation of

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Worshock Test fans. I does that
blow your mind? Or what we had

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someone to ask me, when are
your T shirts going to be ready?

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I want one for my grants,
my grandson wants what. Yeah, you

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would never think of that, go
way back into the beginning. But something

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you said, I really love too, because okay, so, as somebody

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that has always listened to dark music
myself, people kind of got confused of

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how somebody that was a power of
positive thinking person would listen to music like

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that. But to me it's just
as powerful too, and music is some

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of the best therapy. And one
of the things, like you said,

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is knowing somebody else like especially if
you're somebody that has had their own trauma

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but also uses the power of positive
thinking kind of you don't put that image

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out there that attracts people that are
going to be thinking the same as you.

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But the music you attract is what
happens. So the music can speak

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to you without you having to feel
like you know, you're venting or dumping,

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and you can just relate to it
and can be so helpful. I

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think it makes a well balanced human
being to have all sides. And you

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know, like you said, if
you've been an addict or you've been around

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addicts, otherwise you may not understand
both. My parents were high functioning,

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high class addicts and serious addicts,
you know, and serious mental illness.

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And so I got something out of
that by being the observer of that and

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experiencing that and being part of that, and they get something out of it

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by being there themselves. But anybody
else, it's like funny, while I

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was young, I used to say, Yeah, I could never meet a

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woman that came from a family that
had no mental illness and no addiction stuff,

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because they would never understand and you
could tell them stuff and they would

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think you're making it up. You
know type of things you know. And

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so that's the best thing about music
and your type of music. And what's

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great is you can tie it all
together. You can die in the beginning

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of your career. But now Ty, now coming back with this new music,

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like you said, you're not getting
rid of the gothic dark part of

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it. You're just adding your journey
into it so that people can relate and

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they can get hope from the fact
that you're on the other side and they

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can be too. Yes, absolutely
very cool. So tell everybody how they

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can reach out to you guys on
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new video because it's a really cool
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so. Bes WAYA is probably just
to go to our website which is www

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dot rorshoktest dot com and that's spelled
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h t e s t dot com. Our league tree is there, which

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will take you to Facebook YouTube Instagram
the other channels that are set up there,

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and that's also where you get the
latest news. The release is going

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to be October thirty first, but
there'll probably be another couple of singles coming

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out prior to that release, so
definitely go to the website and keep yourself

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informed and real quick. I know
we're kind of running out of time,

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but also look for unlabeled artists.
This is an exciting new I'm not gonna

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call it a label, but I'm
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really gonna unveil in twenty twenty five, and the concept behind it is to

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empower musicians who are members of the
club here who may have a diagnosis of

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mental health or substance use disorders,
and unlabeled it's going to help them find

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a pathway to earn a living and
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offer. So basically, what we
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the community who are artistic with the
right people to help them bolster their career

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and make a living doing what they
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artist. So we're really excited about
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it later, Yeah, I do
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It's kind of like what I think
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were saying what you're saying that it's
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so because the oxymoron, the fact
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I love that, you know,
it's serving a purpose that I think the

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music community and artists so neat,
and you know, it is very very

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cool. So I love it.
And man, it's amazing that we have

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people like you, you know,
and that's what means all about. You

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know, there's a lot of gatekeepers
out there that a lot of times like,

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oh, they should just stick to
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a pulpit to say what they got
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of course they should, because first
of all, artists suffer a lot

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through a lot of things. Second
of all, if they have that voice,

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why not use it to help others? Like there's other people like you

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said, like there could be one
lyric in your one of your songs that

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could change somebody's life or make them
feel like that person gets it. You

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know, it's you'll get this one. One of my favorite song lyrics of

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all time, just because I think
it's so ultimately brilliant is by bringing me

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to Horizon and it's you can't drown
my demon. I can't drown my demons.

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They know how to swim. And
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damn, that's me right there.
Yeah, definitely, Well, yeah,

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we're we're looking forward to the release
and playing some shows and and saying

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hi to everyone again and saying hello
to do all the new fans out there.

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And I can't say thank you enough
Dean for having me on and uh,

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you know, let's let's do this
thing. Let's let's uh, let's

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create continue to create awareness about the
issues that really matter in our lives personally

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and as a community. And I
appreciate your part in doing that as well

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well my pleasure and anything you got
you need. And because what you're doing

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is certainly, you know, even
though you're not, you know, doing

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what you originally set out to do, you're definitely doing somebody's work, whether

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it's God or anybody else. You
are doing the work help human beings and

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giving us entertainment with great music at
the same time. So for that,

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I thank you, and thanks for
being on the Adventures of pipe Man.

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Thank you for listening to the adventures
of Pipemin. I'm w for Cui Radio.