May 27, 2025

PipemanRadio Interviews Punk Rock Saves Lives at Punk Rock Bowling XXV

PipemanRadio Interviews Punk Rock Saves Lives at Punk Rock Bowling XXV
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PipemanRadio Interviews a great non profit organization called Punk Rock Saves Lives at Punk Rock Bowling XXV in Downtown Las Vegas. So much love and help for all those who need it.

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Hey, you love them too, Yes, that's true.

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For see why for you you?

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This is the pipe Man here on the Adventures of

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Pipe Man W four c Y Radio, and I'm here

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with hi.

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I'm Rob Rushing from punk Rock Saves Lives.

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Nice, Well, you save lives with punk Rock saves lives

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because punk rock does. And Angela, my partner in crime

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at punk Rock Bowling, saved your life by doing your hair.

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Yeah, give me a little fresh shave just now, so

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my mohawk is uh, my mohawk is standing up a

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little better, and my head's gonna be cooler because it's

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freaking hot out here.

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I know. Right, you look like a new man. You

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look like that, like you're like one of the kids. Yeah.

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As long as I can keep my voice.

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You know, that's that's important. So for people that don't

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know what the organization does and what it's all about,

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let's hear the story.

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All right. I'll give you the quick pitch.

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We're a nonprofit founded in twenty nineteen that you tours

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with bands and festivals, encouraging punks.

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To do good things.

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Those good things fall typically into wellness and equality initiatives.

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We do a lot of marrow drives to save lives

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from cancer.

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We ask you to get your cheek swab at a show.

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If you ever match someone independently, I mean not independently,

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what's the word I'm looking for on a cellular level

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that you could possibly donate to them. They call you

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and you might can donate stem cells or marrow to

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save a life.

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We do harm reduction at every show.

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We have an awesome little box at the table every

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show anywhere, from earplugs all the way to narcan free.

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One of the big things that festivals sunscreen.

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Like literally sitting especially here today.

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I mean, I don't know about you, but if you

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woke up after walking around a festival with no sunscreen, ono.

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Not good, especially if you're like a goth, not a

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good feeling, like a pasty white you know.

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Yeah, Irish white guy whoa watch out.

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Yeah that's bad news. That's a bad combination.

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We also work deeply to try to get mental health

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resources out to people. We're building a database of mental

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health professionals around the country too. We can call in

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a crisis with someone. If someone calls us, we can

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get them to some therapy, maybe get them to see

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them that first time for free. And then they can

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work out from there and get the real tools. And

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then we even have a sober Sober Curious group if

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people need that.

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We don't preach sobriety, but if you call.

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Us and need that, we've got not only people that

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can talk to you. We just sent our first musician

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through Bradley's House, which is a rehab center built by

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the family of Bradney Bradney Noel, the Noel Foundation lead

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singer Sublime that we lost back in the nineties. Yeah,

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they saved lives from addiction in his honor.

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I just saw them last week at Rockville with Jacob

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jab I know something like that. It sounds just like him.

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It's it's okay. And what great frontman for being new.

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Oh he's been.

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He's been doing uh stuff for about two three four years.

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Phenomenal singer. Yeah, just a great kid too.

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So and does he does he set an example based

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on what happened.

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To his father. I would think he would have to.

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Yeah, I would know what I mean.

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He's he might have never actually known his father, but

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he's lived with what not only the legacy music wise

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that you know, Sublime might not be your taste, but

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they were a lot of people's taste, and that kid

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has had those expectations probably dumped on him his entire

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life totally, and he hasn't let it drown him, which

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is what's cool about.

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It's unbelievable.

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I would have never thought he would have came into

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the lineup like that.

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I really don't think he wanted to be the singer

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of Sublime at first. He wanted to He basically set

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his own thing out there and got that going, and

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then I think he got to the point where the

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legacy was ready and he was ready to try the legacy.

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And it seems great. I mean, it's nothing against Rome.

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I'm glad Rome kept Sublime alive all those years, if

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that's your thing, But having Bradley in the fold is

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like really like looking.

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At his dad, Yeah, yeah, amazing. So yeah, totally, And

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I think it's a great thing. And I think it

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might also speak to people just in general that here's

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a kid that could have ended up who knows what,

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you know, like, and here he is and he appears

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to me to be a pretty stable kid that is

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really you know, following his own dreams, not just his

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father's dreams.

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And I can I can see.

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I can definitely tell you that his his in Bradley's

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family have been amazing to Jacob and they're amazing people.

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So he's had, he's been able to have an amazing backsource.

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And that's not we.

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Don't all have that. No, I didn't.

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There's probably half the people out here that come from

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broken homes, if not more.

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Yeah, my idea of the help you're giving people now

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is sleeping on the floor in tell Hell and Hollywood.

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That was what I That's what I did, you know,

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and that wasn't help.

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I was honestly lucky.

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My mom and my stepfather amazing and let me be me,

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they got a little disappointed when I, you know, got

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into college and decided to go into rock and roll

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instead of in punk rock, instead of uh maybe being

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a doctor or something. Right, it's uh, but they're incredibly

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proud of me and over the last uh counting my

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time with love, hope, strength and then becoming punk rock

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saves lives.

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They they're they're really.

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Proud of the the legacy I'm trying to build and

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encourage good and I can't do any of this without

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my wife, without our I mean, you're sitting here and

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you see our amazing volunteers. Nobody here is I mean,

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we have two and a half employees in America. Our

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entire payroll is one hundred twenty thousand dollars. Wow, so

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three people making one hundred and twenty thousand. That's it

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not easy. That's what I love exceptarate.

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You know, there's so.

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Many organizations that all the money goes towards people's salaries

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and stuff. That's why I like organizations like yours.

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We didn't want it to be that way.

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My wife and I are two of the are the

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are the founders and the two that are out here

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on the road the most.

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And then we have Jay.

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If anybody remembers Larry and his Flask, amazing crazy crazy

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folk band did tons of warp tours. Jacob, I mean

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on Jamon, Jacob. We're talking to Jacob, I know, right.

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Jamon from Larry and his Flask is our behind the

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scenes employee, does all of our advancing on the tours

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and everything.

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And he's actually my stage.

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Manager here for are after shows at Hoggs and Heifer's.

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That's cool at you know, it's funny. I'm looking at

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the logo on your shirt. It's tripping me out because

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unlike you, I have not tattoos. But there was one

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I was going to get when I was a teenager,

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and that was the New York Hardcore tattoo, and.

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We definitely riffed on that.

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The hardcore scene is I'm a I'm an amazing proponent

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of PMA and you know we can go to me.

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It goes back to Joe Strummer and Bad Brands, the Alarm, everything.

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But then then the next generation you got Toby Morse,

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you got H two you know, Toby and H two

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O and bringing the pm A, Brian and the Souls,

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you know, bouncing souls always bring the pm A. Uh,

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just so many bands. I mean, my ultimate, my ultimate

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favorite band of all time is seven.

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Seconds Nice I worked for I worked.

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For The Alarm, one of my favorite bands of all

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time for basically fifteen to seventeen years.

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Yeah, and I charged about that.

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We just lost we just lost my mentor, Mike Peters

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a few weeks ago. It's been really sad, but also

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we're looking back now and starting to celebrate, celebrate what

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we did together. You know, there's there's probably five hundred

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thousand people in America and in Europe on the Marrow

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Registry because of his he wanted to find cancer on

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his terms and he fought it unbelievably for thirty years. Yeah,

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and we gave so many people a chance in that

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and we still are every day with us. That is

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our That's why we still do Marrow drives is to

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help people beat leukemia. So but to the Kevin Seconds thing,

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this is what I love about punk rock Bowling. Walking

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out of my hotel this morning to go get we

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we got up early this morning. I went I went

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to bed after working last night with Bucco nine to if.

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I went to bed at four am. I believe they

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came off stage at three thirty. It was an amazing,

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amazing experience, but uh uh, I had to get up.

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We got up.

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We had made plans with us vets here. Today's today's

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Memorial Day.

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Guys.

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It's uh you know, I'm not I'm anti war. I'm

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not anti soldier.

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I am the same exact way. Okay, I don't even

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understand why people are anti soldier. They are anti war.

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They don't choose the wars. They're doing what I'm not

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willing to do to defend our freedom and what have you.

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But they're told what to do. They're not making any decision.

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Yeah. Well, and there's another there's another way to look

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at this too.

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How many of our punk rock kids would have an avenue.

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In life had they not had the military.

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True, they maybe they didn't have the best home life,

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Maybe they didn't have any money. Maybe, and the military

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gave them a structure, gave them, gave them money, gave

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you know, if they can do a certain amount of time,

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they get the GI Bill.

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To pay for college if that's what they wanted for a.

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Lot of them can buy a house because they did

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some military service. I can't fault someone if that's your

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that's your only avenue.

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Yeah.

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I hate, absolutely despise that they have to go to war,

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especially in modern times, over commercialism.

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Yeah, and that's all it is.

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And it's money now, it has nothing to.

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Do with My grandmother when I was a little kid,

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told me about this book that she read and this

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is then, you know, talking like fifty years ago, and

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she said the book talked about how every war ever

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in history was planned, A had time planned, who was

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going to win, who was going to lose, and who

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was going to get want money and power.

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Yeah, that's amazing and base drum just started kicking. So

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if we kind of muted it out on you there,

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that's the fun part about being in a music festival.

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There's the sound checks, it's you know, it's so like,

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you know, be anti war and be against the you know,

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the powers that be just advancing their initiative, but don't

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fault the kid that got stuck in the middle of it.

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And the soldier's brainwashed anyway. They think they're doing things

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for another reason than what's actually going on there.

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And you know they can be sold one path and

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send down another in one but walking completely back I'm

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good at Like, that's what's good about a conversation like this,

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as you can go in and out.

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Walking out of the hotel.

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This morning, I look over and I hear my name

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and I look over and it's Kevin second stand of there,

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and he was like really tired from doing the museum

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and playing their show and everything, and he goes, hey, Rob,

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I'm flying home, and he gave me a big hug,

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and I said, Kevin, I just want to remind you, man,

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I know you're the most modest dude in the world,

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but we're doing what we're doing with punk rock saves

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lives and trying to be the examples we're trying to

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be based on stuff I listened to you talk.

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About when we were kids.

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Nice and he's not much older than me, so I

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say we were kids. But you know when I heard

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seven seconds at fourteen, fifteen years old, that changed the world. Yeah,

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And you didn't have to be I grew up in

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the Deep South. You didn't have to be racist, you

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didn't have to be sexist, you didn't have to be

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better than someone. You could walk together, rock together, and

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and somehow here I am at fifty five, trying to

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continue that going.

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You know, I love it.

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So it's a pretty it's a pretty cool thing to

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run into your heroes and they don't let you down.

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It's true because it doesn't always happen. There's sometimes it does,

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sometimes it doesn't.

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But a lot of times it's just punk scene.

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Yeah, a lot of times this punk scene, especially punk

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rock bowling, you walk into, you walk into idols every

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day I've had I've had the dear fortune of becoming

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really good friends with Greg Norton over the last few years,

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and Husker Doo once again, you get into seven seconds,

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you get into Black Flag, you get into sst Oh

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who's there?

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Yeah, and what a great set lash.

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This guy's destroyed. It was so good. His band is

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just he's got some.

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Great You gotta see them live because justice ear music

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that doesn't tell the whole story. I mean I was

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there to witness it, and I was like, they are

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freaking good. Yeah, and just the energy.

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Yeah, I'm watching Greg just jump up and down and

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played never miss a never miss a chord on that base.

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And and Derek on drums is just you know, he

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did so many of the Social Distortion albums.

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Yeah, he's just a machine and it's perfect.

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And he's the groove in the the pocket is just perfect.

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And then they brought in the second guitar player now

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from Soul Asylum.

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Yeah, which is a weird you wouldn't think, but man.

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I was kind of shocked because I'm like, I want

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to say, when I was in reviewing them, I'm like,

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Soul Asylum, why'd you bring that in the play? And

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not for a negative reason. It's just so out in

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left field.

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You know, they were called Husker Duo Junior when they

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first came out.

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Oh, let's see, I didn't know that.

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Yeah, when they came out of Minneapolis, them and the

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Replacements kind of got pigeonholed as Huskar Doo wanna bees.

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Wow.

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They both ended up being legends in different avenues. You know,

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the Replacements. I'm one of those people that didn't believe

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in gatekeeping, and I think the Replacements were a punk band.

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I think they became incredible musicians and everything which punk

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bands can be. Yeah, well, let's still believe in the

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three courts, no waiting thing.

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Well, that's how you start, because you'll know, the beauty

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of punk rock was you could be a kid start

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a band and not know what the hell you were

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doing about. Think about how you learn over together.

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Think about like a Willhelm scream and we could we

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could name twenty more.

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Day Tonight Cigar.

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They're such amazing musicians, every single one of them. And

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they're so technical, but the heart of it is straight

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up punk rock. Yeah, and that's so badass.

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Yeah. And you know, I gotta tell you too, as

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far as the punk rock scene, you talked about gate keeping.

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I was just talking about this with Angela walking in.

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You know, I moved to la from Jersey nineteen eighty,

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like that was that.

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Was the point.

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That was the time in the LA scene. That was

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the explosion and there was so much gatekeeping. Okay, so

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the first club show I ever went to in my

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life where I came out of that thing. I was like,

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oh my god, I'm never going to a real concert

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again was at the Roxy and the Sunset Strip Motley

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Crue before they had an album, when they were.

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More horror punk horror punk. Yeah.

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Yeah, they were trying to like the Roxy on fire.

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They wanted to be an Alice Cooper show exactly exactly,

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and I was like, oh my god. But then you know,

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I found Slayer, and of course all my Slayer friends

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you gotta burn your Motley Cruise ship. That ship don't

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come here.

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Slayer came from punk rock, and they will tell you that.

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Well, Dave and Jeff were punk, Kerry was metal, and

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Tom didn't even really get into metal until he got

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the Slayer, which the most.

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Which is no voice for like brutal metal. Just was

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not not a metal head. So you know, Bella Donno

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of Anthrax not wasn't a metal head.

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It's it amazes me. But I was telling this story. Okay,

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so I was a long hair. I was a metalhead.

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That loved punk, but I couldn't go to any of

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the punk shows. Like, there are bands I've seen in

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the past ten years doing my radio coverage that I've

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interviewed them, and I'm like, you know, it's like a

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dream come true for me because I was never allowed

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to go to your shows in the eighties. I'm talking

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bands like Discharge, GBH, Exploited, But.

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Those were the bands that really brought metal into punk. Yeah, exactly.

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It led to crossover, it led to dried to you know, and.

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I remember when dri I grew their hair out.

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I'm like, yes, but a lot of people were like,

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but you know what people can involve, People could be

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I I I've said this before on interviews.

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I'm sure I was a good kill. I No, I

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was a gigue.

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I'm sure I was. I never liked it, but I was.

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Yeah.

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I remember saying, that's not punk, that's not punk. I

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made fun of my wife for liking good Charlotte.

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Right.

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What I did that was a boy band. You know

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what I did the Waddie Okay, it was at Punk

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Rock Bowling, a cup club show, right before he was

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going on stage, and I knew exactly what I was doing.

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The last question I asked him before him going on

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stage was so, waddie, will you think of pop punk?

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Who did I set him off?

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Man?

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He went out on stage and he's like, pook. You know,

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I was just sitting there laughing my ass off. But

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I was that same person, Like I just brought my

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grandson last weekend at Rockville. His favorite band is Green Day.

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I brought him into the Green Day pit, and I'm

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one of those people. It was like Green Day now

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they're pop punk, but they weren't in the beginning. And

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I've gone to a couple of their live shows. I'm like,

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it's a really good live show.

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I have to admit they are really great brand, and

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I can I don't really know Mike.

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Or Billy Joe, but Trey's an awesome human man.

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Well see, and that's all that counts, right, Yeah.

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And I you know, all these years of being in

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the nonprofit version of the music world, is I weigh

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as much if a band are good people. And this

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is how I overcame gatekeeping.

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I started meeting.

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Bands because I work with a little bit of everybody

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to try to save lives. And you know, I made

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fun of you know, to my wife for loving Good Charlotte.

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Now I've I've hung with Benji, I've hung you know,

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and fucking good guys. And they are a band, right,

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and they they did the music that they liked and

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if you don't like it, you don't like it. But

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that's fine, you don't have to don't judge. And I

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feel that because I picked on my wife about Good Charlotte.

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So I can tell this story because.

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I tried to learn. I tried to evolve. And if

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that's the you know, the old thing. If we can

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all learn something every.

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Day, no doubt, and in this day and age, with

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everything going on right now, that has got to be

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the encourage.

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I think it's better nowadays that we don't have the

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gatekeeping and we were all one big happy community because listen,

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I always saw it was stupid. I'm at a Goura

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high school. There were like three metal heads, three punks,

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and we were all getting a shit kicked out of

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us by the jocks for being different. But yet we

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fought each other.

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I somehow said all together, right, Yeah, I played.

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A bunch of sports, but I was the weird skater

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kid in the popular I'm all that too.

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Like it was it was weird because I liked metal too,

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and I'm you know, I I'm I went to high

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school from eighty four to eighty eight, and punks and

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metal heads were not supposed to like each other.

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Yeah, And I went and I lay to eighty four

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was high school for me.

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And I liked both musics me too, you know, And

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I didn't know why everybody couldn't get along.

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And I'll even go step further. Like one of my

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bros he plays in a few punk bands now to

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this day, but he was a metal head first. And

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I found this album at his house one day that

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he was hiding from all of us, and I pulled

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out him, like what the fuck is this? To this day,

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it's one of my favorite all time ever albums. It

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was Adam and the ens Kings of the Wild Frontier.

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What a fucking amazing album, right, you did say it.

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You could say it is a fucking amazing. But I

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gave him so much shit, like what was this new

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wave bullshit? But it was punk, like I love that

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jungle punk, like I love bow wow wow. There the

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drums in it.

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I always, as you noticed already, I threw the alarm

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into I would say and The Alarm were called Class

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Junior when they came out right, that was the disc

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Even Joe Strummer dissed them, you know, But then Joe

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Schummer later on admitted, I actually really liked the Alarm's music.

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Well, this was just being a punk speaking of in Maine.

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That there's somebody I've interviewed a few times now who

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were now friends, and she's been here at Punk Rock Bowling.

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She was a new waiver and so I said to

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her in her interview in one of our interviews, once

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I got friendly with her, I'm like, you know, back

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in high school, I'm gonna say something I never said before.

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I wasn't allowed to like you, but I really did,

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and now I'm here forty years later to admit it.

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And it was Josie Cotton.

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Oh Josie, and.

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What a great human being she is, you know. But

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it's like back in the day was so fucking stupid.

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Oh their new wave don't like them, you know in

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the metal community. You know, it's and then here's a

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good one, good story, you know, posers on Melrose. So

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I wanted to get my spikes there. Back in the day,

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metal heads weren't allowed to go there. Okay, so I

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got I recruited my punk friends. I'm like, hey, and

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they were friends with the owner. And this is a

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story I was just telling. Outside. I'm like, bring me

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a poser. That's where I want to get my spikes.

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And so we go there. Thirty seconds i'm there, the

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owners pull my friends aside and my friend comes over me.

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He goes, we need to leave, and I'm like why.

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He goes, I'll tell you outside, we need to leave

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right now. And he told me outside, He's like, since

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we were friends with the owners, they gave us some courtesy.

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And he came and talked to me and said, listen,

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I'm gonna give you a curzy. You better get that

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long hair here within thirty seconds or we're gonna kick

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his ass. And that's how it was. It was stupid

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because the music was so close, but.

467
00:24:38.079 --> 00:24:41.160
It, you know it. We all have to evolve, we

468
00:24:41.200 --> 00:24:41.960
all have to learn.

469
00:24:42.039 --> 00:24:44.319
We have to and if you don't like it, you

470
00:24:44.319 --> 00:24:46.759
don't like it, but don't diss on someone else for like.

471
00:24:46.799 --> 00:24:50.799
It, no doubt. And I used to get offended even

472
00:24:50.839 --> 00:24:53.960
though I am one two, because I like also like

473
00:24:54.039 --> 00:24:57.359
hippie music and stuff. They always called the long hairs,

474
00:24:57.400 --> 00:24:59.640
the metal heads, hippies, and we would be like, we're

475
00:24:59.680 --> 00:25:01.559
not fucking hippies, you know.

476
00:25:01.839 --> 00:25:04.640
We still get the nihilists, you know, side of punk

477
00:25:04.680 --> 00:25:09.079
when they they come into our booth and punk.

478
00:25:08.920 --> 00:25:12.400
Rock saves lives. This is bullshit, you know. And I'm like,

479
00:25:13.359 --> 00:25:15.920
I don't care, Like, if that's the.

480
00:25:15.880 --> 00:25:17.759
Way you feel, we'll probably save their life.

481
00:25:17.799 --> 00:25:21.240
Yeah, and I'm like, walk home, you know, and they

482
00:25:21.960 --> 00:25:25.599
you know, I'm not violent in any way, but I'm

483
00:25:25.640 --> 00:25:29.160
not a small guy. And I do have the luxury

484
00:25:29.240 --> 00:25:36.240
of having resting Henry Rowlins's face, and I can I

485
00:25:36.279 --> 00:25:39.160
can look mean when I'm not smiling, and I might

486
00:25:39.240 --> 00:25:40.839
be the happiest guy in the world.

487
00:25:40.880 --> 00:25:41.920
But if.

488
00:25:43.240 --> 00:25:45.960
Sometimes you can just cross your eyes and look mean

489
00:25:46.039 --> 00:25:47.680
and they'll walk away.

490
00:25:47.480 --> 00:25:47.960
Well, you know what.

491
00:25:48.000 --> 00:25:49.519
I don't throw a punch, but.

492
00:25:49.720 --> 00:25:51.680
Well you know what I pull off because I'm a

493
00:25:51.759 --> 00:25:54.160
small guy. So I'm the guy that'll go up to

494
00:25:54.279 --> 00:25:56.720
six foot four, four hundred pounds dude and look him

495
00:25:56.720 --> 00:25:58.720
dead in the eye, and I will kill you right

496
00:25:58.759 --> 00:26:02.680
where you stand. They're like, this dude must be fucking crazy.

497
00:26:02.759 --> 00:26:04.359
Let's be crazy. I'm backing down.

498
00:26:04.480 --> 00:26:08.480
Exactly, and then the pit Okay, like, I hate the

499
00:26:08.480 --> 00:26:10.160
big dudes that go in the pit and try to

500
00:26:10.240 --> 00:26:12.640
hurt and main people, because that's not what it's about.

501
00:26:13.200 --> 00:26:15.759
It's a release of aggression and a therapy.

502
00:26:15.599 --> 00:26:18.839
No doubt, and my uh, you know, my little bike,

503
00:26:19.079 --> 00:26:22.279
I'm gonna fuck that dude up because I'm gonna come

504
00:26:22.319 --> 00:26:25.039
around and I'm gonna lunge down like Mike Tyson, come

505
00:26:25.119 --> 00:26:27.000
up with elbow and be on the other side of pit.

506
00:26:27.079 --> 00:26:29.519
You won't even know what hit him, but only because

507
00:26:29.519 --> 00:26:31.880
he's going and try to take out little people like

508
00:26:32.240 --> 00:26:34.000
pick on somebody your own size.

509
00:26:34.440 --> 00:26:37.799
Crowd crushers and stuff like that.

510
00:26:38.000 --> 00:26:39.279
There's no place for it.

511
00:26:39.559 --> 00:26:39.720
Now.

512
00:26:41.839 --> 00:26:44.279
I get the release of.

513
00:26:44.359 --> 00:26:50.839
The the newer hardcore fans that do the I don't

514
00:26:50.839 --> 00:26:52.559
know karate or whatever it is.

515
00:26:52.640 --> 00:26:53.400
Oh yeah, I hate.

516
00:26:53.440 --> 00:26:54.400
I don't like it.

517
00:26:54.519 --> 00:26:57.319
I feel like I'm gonna get kicked in the face.

518
00:26:57.680 --> 00:26:58.599
I don't like it at all.

519
00:26:59.000 --> 00:27:03.319
But I get what they're doing right, and good on them.

520
00:27:03.480 --> 00:27:04.200
Just don't hit me.

521
00:27:04.960 --> 00:27:07.519
Here's what I think the pit's all about, and always have,

522
00:27:08.359 --> 00:27:10.920
Like you were saying, it's therapy and it's a healthy

523
00:27:10.960 --> 00:27:12.880
way to get an aggression. If it weren't for the

524
00:27:12.960 --> 00:27:16.480
pet pit, i'd probably be in jail for kicking somebody's ass. Yeah,

525
00:27:16.559 --> 00:27:20.880
and a perfect example, so you mentioned in Narkhan. So

526
00:27:21.359 --> 00:27:26.119
my oldest grandson. Last September, I was at a festival,

527
00:27:26.559 --> 00:27:30.880
got a phone call, he passed, He odeed.

528
00:27:31.240 --> 00:27:33.640
Yeah, with where we're fighting against.

529
00:27:33.519 --> 00:27:37.359
With Narkhan on the table next to him, Like because

530
00:27:37.400 --> 00:27:40.920
you know a a they think they have it under convern.

531
00:27:41.079 --> 00:27:43.119
You can't Narkhan yourself, right, And.

532
00:27:43.039 --> 00:27:45.680
That's what he was thinking. That's what he was thinking.

533
00:27:45.799 --> 00:27:49.400
But you know, so then you know, I left the

534
00:27:49.440 --> 00:27:53.359
festival and then it was riot Fest when it happened,

535
00:27:54.079 --> 00:27:56.960
I'm sure I was there, and so I left. I

536
00:27:57.039 --> 00:28:01.079
came back for the last day for Slayer. The funeral

537
00:28:01.200 --> 00:28:04.920
was definitely was there. Yeah, the funeral was the day before,

538
00:28:06.079 --> 00:28:09.440
And I just went into that Slayer pit and let

539
00:28:09.759 --> 00:28:12.200
all of my pain out and left it in the

540
00:28:12.240 --> 00:28:15.599
pit because it is it's not about hurting anament people.

541
00:28:15.640 --> 00:28:17.839
I hate that, Like, you don't go in there.

542
00:28:17.680 --> 00:28:21.000
To hurt at jostling around and getting it and next

543
00:28:21.119 --> 00:28:23.680
ingon it might be lifted up above the crowd. You

544
00:28:23.839 --> 00:28:27.680
might be if someone I mean, we we preach and

545
00:28:27.720 --> 00:28:30.519
we even have a shirt. It's you know, the rules

546
00:28:30.519 --> 00:28:33.799
of the pit. If someone falls down, we picked them up. Yeah,

547
00:28:33.839 --> 00:28:36.400
And that's a motto for punk rock, Safe lives. But

548
00:28:36.440 --> 00:28:39.119
we didn't come up with it. It's it's been there forever,

549
00:28:39.319 --> 00:28:42.160
but it's true. Yeah, And why is it not a rule.

550
00:28:43.000 --> 00:28:43.880
It's a rule of the pit.

551
00:28:43.880 --> 00:28:45.359
Why is it not a rule in life?

552
00:28:45.480 --> 00:28:45.720
Right?

553
00:28:46.119 --> 00:28:49.880
So, if you see someone down, help them. That's why

554
00:28:49.920 --> 00:28:50.960
we try to get so.

555
00:28:51.000 --> 00:28:53.039
Much narcan into the scene.

556
00:28:53.680 --> 00:28:56.640
If somebody's got it in their pocket and somebody collapses.

557
00:28:56.880 --> 00:28:58.799
It doesn't have to be someone at the punk show.

558
00:28:59.000 --> 00:29:01.440
You could be walking to your hotel and.

559
00:29:01.400 --> 00:29:06.000
There's a poor, unfortunate soul on the ground and if

560
00:29:06.000 --> 00:29:08.799
someone didn't take five seconds to give them narcan, they

561
00:29:08.880 --> 00:29:09.440
might be gone.

562
00:29:09.640 --> 00:29:11.400
Yeah, or you.

563
00:29:12.359 --> 00:29:14.680
And you know, not all of them want to be saved.

564
00:29:15.039 --> 00:29:18.960
I mean obviously, but let's let's do our best to

565
00:29:18.960 --> 00:29:19.640
do what we can.

566
00:29:19.960 --> 00:29:22.559
But they may have wanted to be slaved ten years

567
00:29:22.599 --> 00:29:24.559
from now when they realize they did one.

568
00:29:24.599 --> 00:29:28.119
Now, there's so many people that would tell you that

569
00:29:28.359 --> 00:29:30.200
I thought I would be dead at twenty seven. I'm

570
00:29:30.200 --> 00:29:32.240
sure glad, I'm not right.

571
00:29:32.480 --> 00:29:33.960
You know, I never thought I was gonna make it

572
00:29:34.000 --> 00:29:34.759
past thirty.

573
00:29:35.039 --> 00:29:36.680
I mean, we all in this.

574
00:29:37.519 --> 00:29:42.839
You know, musicians and punk rockers, metal heads, we all

575
00:29:42.880 --> 00:29:45.440
say that and we probably did a lot of damage

576
00:29:45.440 --> 00:29:47.559
to our bodies when we were that young, and we

577
00:29:47.680 --> 00:29:49.319
all are living with it now.

578
00:29:49.400 --> 00:29:51.240
I mean, I've been on my feet for.

579
00:29:53.440 --> 00:29:58.119
Probably sixty hours the last three days and it's only

580
00:29:58.200 --> 00:30:01.960
we got two more to go, and uh man, I

581
00:30:02.000 --> 00:30:05.119
wish my knees didn't feel like they do. But you

582
00:30:05.160 --> 00:30:09.920
know it's but I wouldn't change a minute of every

583
00:30:10.319 --> 00:30:15.440
every scar, every every broken rib, every whatever.

584
00:30:15.559 --> 00:30:20.279
You know what I mean, It's not you can't. We've

585
00:30:20.319 --> 00:30:22.720
all like that's part of this learning thing.

586
00:30:22.799 --> 00:30:27.279
I was talking about getting getting hurt or releasing something

587
00:30:27.400 --> 00:30:29.440
or falling and breaking your hand in a pit or

588
00:30:29.799 --> 00:30:32.759
something like that, getting in getting in a fight with

589
00:30:32.839 --> 00:30:35.400
some Nazis or you know what I mean, and you

590
00:30:35.480 --> 00:30:39.119
might get hurt, but you'll be starting from it eventually.

591
00:30:39.440 --> 00:30:42.279
Well, my best bro who also passed away like the

592
00:30:42.400 --> 00:30:49.000
year before, we used to say, like in the later years,

593
00:30:49.039 --> 00:30:51.559
like remember when you used to get into those fights

594
00:30:51.559 --> 00:30:53.440
that you knew you were going to get your ass kicked,

595
00:30:53.480 --> 00:30:56.640
but you did it anyway, and that that live is

596
00:30:56.720 --> 00:31:00.319
really what you did. Like I, especially my side, I

597
00:31:00.359 --> 00:31:02.279
went into plenty of fights that I knew I was

598
00:31:02.319 --> 00:31:05.240
gonna get my ass kicked, but I did. Anyway, is

599
00:31:05.279 --> 00:31:07.519
this Billy Betts and the maid Men. I think zell

600
00:31:07.640 --> 00:31:09.039
Yeah a wonderful new.

601
00:31:08.920 --> 00:31:12.680
Band from Atlanta. Guys, go check out these kids. I

602
00:31:13.079 --> 00:31:16.359
think since it started, we probably should goes up it. Uh,

603
00:31:16.480 --> 00:31:20.720
please come check us out at every festival. We're trying

604
00:31:20.720 --> 00:31:23.400
to be just at about everything. We tour with a

605
00:31:23.440 --> 00:31:26.359
lot of amazing bands anywhere on the spectrum from bowling

606
00:31:26.440 --> 00:31:30.880
for Soup to We've toured with Basside, We've toured with.

607
00:31:32.359 --> 00:31:35.400
Matt Gutties, We've toured with Voodo, Ghost Gos, We've We.

608
00:31:35.519 --> 00:31:38.519
Try to tour with every type of genre, every type

609
00:31:38.519 --> 00:31:41.359
of music and do some good. And you can always

610
00:31:41.359 --> 00:31:45.920
find us at punk Rock Saveslives dot Org. Reach out,

611
00:31:46.559 --> 00:31:49.519
let's do let's do some good together. If you need help,

612
00:31:50.039 --> 00:31:51.400
we'll do our best.

613
00:31:51.160 --> 00:31:51.799
To help you out.

614
00:31:52.000 --> 00:31:54.880
I love it. I love what you do. I love it.

615
00:31:54.960 --> 00:31:58.480
I love what you do, and you guys really are

616
00:31:58.759 --> 00:31:59.599
saving lives.

617
00:31:59.799 --> 00:32:00.759
We're trying.

618
00:32:00.839 --> 00:32:03.400
So thank you for having us and I can't wait

619
00:32:03.440 --> 00:32:05.920
to hear this and hopefully.

620
00:32:06.720 --> 00:32:07.640
You pick someone up.

621
00:32:09.160 --> 00:32:12.799
And I hope we got enough message out there that

622
00:32:12.960 --> 00:32:15.319
you can change a lot more lives. And thanks for

623
00:32:15.359 --> 00:32:16.960
being on the Adventures of Pipeman.

624
00:32:17.759 --> 00:32:18.079
Cheers.

625
00:32:19.759 --> 00:32:24.559
Thank you for listening to the Adventures of Pipeman on

626
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