Aug. 2, 2026
Wacken Festival and Beyond: Jeff Plate Reflects on Sabotage’s Endurance
In this episode of The Adventures of Pipeman on W4CY Radio, Jeff Plate, drummer for the legendary band Savatage, sits down for a candid conversation at Wacken Open Air Festival. The interview covers the band’s triumphant return to the stage after a long hiatus, their resilience through tragedy and lineup changes, and what makes Savatage timeless. Jeff Plate also shares personal stories about joining the band, their dedication to the fans, and the unique musical identity that sets Savatage apart in the world of heavy metal.Main Topics Covered
- Performing at Wacken in extreme heat and how the band manages challenging weather conditions
- The evolution and enduring legacy of Savatage since the mid-1980s
- Coping with band tragedies, including the loss of Chris Oliva and Paul O’Neill
- The significance of playing without John Oliva and receiving his blessing to keep Savatage’s music alive
- The reunion process, respect for the musical legacy, and adapting live performances
- The unique sound of Savatage in the context of modern genre-blending in metal
- Personal anecdotes from Jeff Plate on joining Savatage and early career memories
- The discipline and respect needed to keep delivering high-level performances for fans
- Reflection on how the band's identity and music continue to resonate powerfully with audiences after decades
- Jeff Plate discusses performing during severe heat at Wacken and how he manages as a drummer by staying hydrated and enduring through the set 00:35. He shares that this tour has consistently had "blistering hot" shows 00:56.
- He reflects on how the energy and commitment of festival fans give the band additional motivation, regardless of the weather 01:31.
- Jeff Plate recounts the many changes and losses the band has faced, including the deaths of Chris Oliva and Paul O’Neill, but highlights the unwavering support of their fans 03:13.
- He emphasizes that the current reunion is less about the individual members and more about honoring the timeless music created by John and Chris Oliva and Paul O’Neill 03:44.
- Jeff Plate shares that John Oliva's blessing was critical for the reunion and that he remains deeply involved in the band's creative process, even if not present on stage 04:43, 13:53.
- Adaptations include adding two keyboard players who can also sing, ensuring that all musical parts and vocals are properly covered live 06:14.
- The conversation touches on the proliferation of metal subgenres and how Savatage’s sound stands out as truly unique, resisting industry trends and staying emotionally resonant 08:00, 12:02.
- Jeff Plate rejects the idea of trying to copy successful formulas, crediting their lasting impact to authenticity and innovation 10:41.
- Jeff Plate recounts how a set of unlikely coincidences, including meeting Zak Stevens and the impact of the grunge movement, led to his invitation to join Savatage 17:35.
- He remembers feeling shocked and honored by the opportunity and describes his approach of working hard, respecting the band, and seizing the opportunity 19:25.
- Jeff Plate describes the increased discipline that comes with age and the expectations of today’s audience, especially in an era where every performance can be recorded and shared instantly 15:06.
- He stresses the importance of respecting both the band’s legacy and the fans, ensuring every performance reflects their high standards 15:49.
- "You just have to endure it… you get on stage and perform. It is what it is." — Jeff Plate 00:35
- "The fact that John gave us his blessing to come out here and do this… speaks worlds to John's love of the fans and love of the music." — Jeff Plate 04:43
- "Nobody else sounds like Savatage… the emotion that the fans feel from this music and these lyrics, it’s just unbelievable." — Jeff Plate 03:50
- "If you try to sound like somebody else… you’re only going to go so far. So here we are all these years later." — Jeff Plate 10:41
- "We've had some moments already on these, during these tours that have just been phenomenal. And when you got thousands of people out there singing… grown men crying when we play Believe, I mean, if that doesn't affect you and give you a sense of purpose, I don't know what will." — Jeff Plate 16:01
- "You got to treat yourself with respect, treat your bandmates with respect, treat the origins and the whole entity itself being Savatage with respect." — Jeff Plate 16:59
- Savatage Official Website: [No link provided in audio]
- Trans-Siberian Orchestra: Mentioned as a parallel band where members have also performed 05:08, 14:38
- Wacken Open Air Festival: [No link provided in audio]
- Hellfest: Noted for a busy press conference and memorable shows 05:20
- The iconic “S” logo of Savatage and its impact on fans 21:45
- Jeff Plate reflects on the joys of being “new again” with the band’s recent return and seeing multi-generational fans connect with the music 14:17, 12:18
- Advice to musicians: Have fun, respect your craft, and don’t chase trends—let the music be your legacy 16:37
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Hi, you love then too, censure.
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See wow, crazy young.
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This is the pipe Man here on the Adventures pipe
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Man W four C Y Radio, and I'm here with
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Jeff played from Sabotage Nice here at Vadkin. Oh my god?
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Can you believe how hot it is here? How you
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guys play in this weather? That's what I want.
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Well, you just gotta have to endure it, honestly.
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I mean, I mean me being the drummer, I just
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try to hydrate as much as I can throughout the day.
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You know, you get on stage and you and you perform.
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You just do what you do. But I mean, it
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is what it is. And honestly, Vakin, I believe is
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the sixth show.
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On this tour that we've had so far.
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Every show has been blistering hot, so we're kind of
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used to it right now, right, And I gotta tell
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you it's interesting. I don't know if it was the
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year you were at Hellfest, but there was a drummer
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I can't remember which band that literally passed out from
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heatstroke during the set. I don't doubt it. I don't
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doubt it. I mean today, today, I think we're going
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to look out. I mean the weather right now is
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this is very hot here, humid, but it looks like
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it's going to break this evening right before we go
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on stage, so that'll be a nice break for us
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and the audience. I mean, they're I give these festival
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fans so much credit for showing up and hanging in
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there and doing what they do all day long and
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all weekend long. So it's gonna be a great show tonight.
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I thought, you know, Hotter Call, it doesn't matter. We're
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gonna go out there and do our thing.
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There you go.
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And it's funny because I always talk about drummers playing
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like you experienced a heat, probably more than anybody on
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stage because you're just constant. Yeah, but you know the
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guys down front, they're all moving around too, So there
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you go. It doesn't take a whole lot too. I mean,
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the saving greats I have is that I'm sitting down,
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I guess right right. But the other guy, I mean,
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Johnny and Chris are all over the place, Zach is
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moving around a lot, Al Al's you know, he hunkers down,
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and between myself and Al and Johnny Lee, our job
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is to go up there and just be the tightest
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rhythm section possible nice for this band, and that's really
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our main job.
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But the performance part just kind of comes along with it.
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So and you kind of get in the zone anyway.
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It's like, it's not till you get off stage till
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you give your self permission to feel like shit from
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whatever was ailing you on stage. These people didn't pay
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good money to see me up there, you know, being miserable.
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I'm gonna go and have a great time.
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And I mean for myself, you know, I dreamed of
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doing stuff like this when I was a little kid.
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Here i am. This has become my career.
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But for sabotage in general, the band started in the
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mid eighties, went through a number of challenges, a number
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of member changes. You know, the Haull of the Mountain
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King Band really kind of set the standard for the future. Honestly,
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the Guta Ballet Band more changes. He got tragedy losing
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Chris Aliva. We lost Paul O'Neill nine years ago. You know,
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it's like this band has been through a lot, but
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through all of this, the fans have stuck with us,
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and they could not be more excited to see this
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band and hear this music on stage and it's you know, this, this,
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what we're doing now isn't necessarily about us.
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It's about the music.
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Yeah, you know, John and Kris Olivia wrote some of
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the most enduring hard rock, heavy metal, progressive you call
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it what you want to, but those guys, along with
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Paul O'Neill, created something that has stood the test of time.
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There's nobody else that sounds like sabotage. Nobody else, mind,
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I don't want to say nobody else, but the emotion
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that the fans feel from this music and these lyrics,
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and it's it's just unbelievable.
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And the fact that we are.
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The fact that we are out here without John yeah,
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you know, which is which is truly unfortunate. He he
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just physically can't be here right now. But last year,
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actually almost two years ago, when this thing became a
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reality that we were going to do this. You know,
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I give John all the credit in the world for saying,
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all right, my guys are going to go out there
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and do this. This music needs to be heard by
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the fans. They deserve to hear it. Myself, along with
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Al and Johnny and Chris and Zach, we've all been
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here for over thirty years, I've been here for thirty
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two years. It's we are the members of Sabotage, you know.
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But the fact that John gave us his blessing to
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come out here and do this, I mean, I think
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that speaks worlds to John's love of the fans and
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love of the music, because you know how it is
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when you when you fall off the scene for a while, people.
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Start to forget you.
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Yeah, And we did not play for close to twenty
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three years up till last year. Two thousand and two
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was our last official tour so to speak. We did
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Vowkan here in twenty fifteen, but that was also with
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the Trans Liberian Orchestra. Having said all that, the fans
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have just been more than welcoming and have loved every
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minute of these shows.
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So it's great.
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Well, I saw that.
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Personally from two viewpoints at Hellfest as a fan out
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in the audience that's been a fan since the eighties,
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and at that press conference, like your press conference was
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probably the busiest press conference I've seen at Hellfest in
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all the years I've done it.
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There is a.
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Real joy in people that we're out here playing again,
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but there's also this curiosity. It's like what the hell
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is this band going to be like now? You know,
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without John being there. That was the big question mark.
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There was no intent of placing John. You can't replace
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John's vocals or his keyboard playing. His personality is bigger
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than life, you know, right, So we decided, how do
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we take the five of us supplement that and make
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this as good as it can be. So we hired
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two keyboard players that can both sing very well. Now
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all the vocals like stuff and Chance Hourglass, Wakeham Magell
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and all that stuff is covered, and a lot of
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the keyboard stuff that John could handle one part, you know,
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maybe not the other. Now we can play both parts
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at the same time. The band truly sounds amazing and
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it's just here again. It's all out of respect for
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the music. When we got into rehearsals last year, we
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kind of had a very strict rule. It's like, Okay,
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we've been playing these songs for a long time, and
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a number of them have kind of veered away from
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the original recordings. So we had to go back and
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relearn some of the songs that we'd already been playing,
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you know, hundreds of times, and myself in particularly like
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Edge of Thorns, there was just a couple thing is
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in Deedja Thornes I could not not do until about
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eight times doing the song. He was like, Okay, now
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I'm actually playing the part correctly. But hey, you know,
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like I said before, the music, the lyrics, the emotion
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behind this band in this you know what this all
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is is really what this is all about. And we're
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just thrilled that the fans are still with us. Yeah,
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and I gotta say, giving you the blessing tells me
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he's a true musician and is about the music. There's
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so many in this industry are about the ego, and
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that proves there's no ego. We've been hearing this ever
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since two thousand and two. The fans have wanted us
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to return. However, you know, in some form or another,
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they've been beating that drum for years and John knows that.
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I mean John, We're all very aware of what Sabotage
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is and the uniqueness of it. I don't know how
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many interviews I've done where I've asked, you know, particularly you,
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is there another band that sounds like Sabotage. No, that's
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the point, and I think that's also part of the
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times then too because I talk about now in metal
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that a lot of bands are so many subgenres micro
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genres that it's almost like an algebraic equation. They put
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this formula to making a metal song, and back then
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it was all new, so everybody was experimenting, and so
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you did get that uniqueness. And I remember the first
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time I ever heard you guys, and I liked a
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lot of bands, I was like, man, this is freaking good,
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and mainly because it wasn't the same as anybody else. Yeah,
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when I joined the band in ninety four, I remember
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going down to Florida and meeting John and Paul. They
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were working on a handful of Rain record and introductions
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were made, We did photos, We hung out for a
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couple of days, and I remember Paul distinctly saying, Okay,
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now go home and learn everything.
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And I did.
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And once I started digging into that Bad catalog, it's like,
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all right, there's Dungeons, there's sirens, there's power the Night,
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the Bad. You start getting into some of the you know,
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preleade to madness and then gutter ballet and Street says,
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like Jesus, there's some really interesting music here, and it
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isn't just in your face metal, right, there's some real
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emotional symphonic stuff going on. It blew me away because
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I really wasn't aware of that at the time. It
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was just it was MTV and I knew of I
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knew of Gutter Ballet, and I knew Haul of the
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Mountain King. And then of course Zach Stevens, who I
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worked with in Boston once he got into Sabotage. He
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did the Edge of Thorns record, and I remember myself
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and my guitarist Matt Leff listening to the album going, man,
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you know, good for Zach, this is awesome. Zach sounds great,
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but holy shit, that guitar player is unbelievable. And Chris Oliva,
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the more you start listening and hearing the stories and
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watching the videos, it's just a shame he was taking
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so soon, you know. And there's nothing that I could
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do about it. I wish I met that guy. I
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would love to have been able to work with him.
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I think it would have been fantastic. But here again,
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that combination of John and Chris and Paul O'Neill, they
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created something that was heading in a direction that nobody
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else was. And maybe they were, but not they didn't
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sound like that when grunge came around and completely knocked
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everything off the rails. Yeah, Sabotage kind of laid under
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the water and kind of cruised along and did its thing.
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And that's hey.
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It's one thing I learned about Paul O'Neil through all
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the years I worked with him, as like, believe in
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what you're doing, stick to it, and just go for it.
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flavor of the day, you're only going to go so far.
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So here we are, all these years later.
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There's a band in recent years got very, very popular,
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very quick. I won't mention who they are, but they
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sounded exactly like exactly like this other band. They said
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they didn't, but even the lead singer of that original
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band said come on. And it's nothing to always get
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you when they questioned these bands and they're like, oh,
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we've never listened to them, it's like, oh, come on, right,
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got really popular really quick. I think more from a
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nostalgia viewpoint. But now you don't really hear about them. Yeah, yeah,
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you talked about it, all the subgenres and everything, and
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music now. You know, there are so many different types
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of pop, different types of jazz, country, metal, progressive rock
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and all some of it kind of you know, is
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over into each other. But here again, the writing style,
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the sound of Sabotage, Paul's lyrics, it just connected with people.
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out here, and now that we've been gone this long,
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it's ironic that we're almost like new again, right. You
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know a lot of the other bands that we've a
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lot of our peers have been out there every year
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or every other year doing tours, and hey, you know what,
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we're just gonna We're just gonna take it as it comes.
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get back on stage and play in front of these audiences.
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the popularity of the band, you know, at the at
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the Hole Way Ground, like probably the biggest metal festival
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in the world. Yep, you know, so yes, it absolutely does,
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because how many bands go on that long of a
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hiatus and come back and it's like they were never gone.
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mentioned earlier the band has been through so many different lineups,
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the five of us. When we got together for the
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