March 25, 2025

PipemanRadio discusses new album The Program with BRKN LOVE

PipemanRadio Interviews Justin Benlolo of Modern Canadian Rockers BRKN LOVE about Release of New Single "Diamonds" from Third Full-Length LP 'The Program' Out March 28th via Spinefarm.

An impromptu 2023 trip to visit a friend in Charleston, SC gave...

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PipemanRadio Interviews Justin Benlolo of Modern Canadian Rockers BRKN LOVE about Release of New Single "Diamonds" from Third Full-Length LP 'The Program' Out March 28th via Spinefarm.

An impromptu 2023 trip to visit a friend in Charleston, SC gave rise to their third studio album, 'The Program.' Justin initially planned on spending a weekend in town. That weekend turned into nine weeks, and he returned to Toronto with the bulk of the album’s material.

The album title even referenced the name of the text group for his new friends in Charleston, embedding the experience and the city in the fabric of the music.

"It was a collective of 10 people I’d never met before, and we kept using the term ‘The Program’ repeatedly like, ‘Let’s go here, because it would be good for The Program’,” he goes on. “It was cool to be surrounded by near-complete strangers, invite them to our place, and play demos. Their opinions were unfiltered and blunt—which was awesome. I was actively searching for inspiration, and I put myself out there in different situations. I was free and unchained to do anything.”

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Hi, you Love Lunt the censure, Wow, Crazy you Why

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of America. It's time for the Adventures of Pipe Man

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on W four C.

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Why do com wes Pond Beach is number one Internet

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This is the pipe Man here on the Adventures pipe

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Man W four C Y Radio. And I'm here with

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Justin from Broken Love.

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How are you?

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I'm good man, How are you?

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I'm doing great.

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My Internet's been kind of wacky today, so hopefully it

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won't be a pain in the ass during this interview.

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But but I definitely I was actually to warm up

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for the interview. This is my prep before an interview

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is listening to your newest song before the interview, to

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pump me up.

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Hey Oh Night. And it is a badass song.

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Anybody knows me knows I won't interviews unless I like

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the music. And so that's why you're here. And Man,

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Diamonds is a kick ass new single.

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Thank you, Thank you very much.

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So I want to talk a little bit about you know. Okay.

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So that's a new single coming off of your third

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full length, LP, The Program Yes, which is out this

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month via spine Form.

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So that's pretty cool. But what's even cooler is.

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The story behind this album so to speak, you know,

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and what led to this album coming out.

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So I want you to tell me, in your own words.

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A little bit about the program and how that that

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album name even came about.

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Sure, well, let's see the show version of it is.

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I basically set up shop in Charleston, South Carolina for

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w ended up being a couple of weeks. Initially, was

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only going there because one of my best friends he

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moved there, and I had a lot of time off

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after the previous album cycle for black Box and brought

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all my stuff. You know, I'm sitting in front of

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my computer. I had monitors and microphones and guitars and

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all kinds of crap, and I brought it down just

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in case. I didn't know if I was going to

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actually do anything. But you know, I can't stay away

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from my toys for too long. So I went down there,

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and after a week, I mean, I'm pretty sure the

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first weekend I got there, we had such an unbelievable time.

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He made all these friends pretty much immediately, and it

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turned into this kind of triumphant like journey like where

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I ended up just staying one more week, and one

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more week and one more week, and I started getting

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all this inspiration from these people and and this environment.

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I mean, I meant out of Canada, which some people

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may know is pretty grim and cold most of the time.

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So that change of scenery where it's kind of beachy,

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you know, it's kind of like Miami e vibes. There's

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like palm trees, you know, and all that kind of stuff.

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And it was it was in spring. So the environment

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just really shaped a lot of how I was feeling

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and kind of got me into a writing zone, should

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I say. And you know, I didn't realize I was

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writing this record until I was, basically, and I was like,

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hold on, I have like ten songs already, what the

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hell is going on? And then I realized that. I

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was like, oh, this is it. This is the record.

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And then we called our producer, Anton Delos, and we

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just booked the time that summer when he, you know,

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he was available. And you know, the name of the

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record came from it actually came from my friend. He

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was the inspiration behind it. He kept saying things like,

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let's go out tonight, let's go here because it's good

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for the program, or don't invite those people, it's bad

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for the program. And it started as this kind of joke,

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just kind of like this like little play on life.

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You know. It's like a motto for how you would

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live your life, you know, the program. And then all

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these people we were hanging out with we started this

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text group and we called it the Program, and then

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we called ourselves programmers, you know, and if we were

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liking to go and get like spicy margaritas for lunch

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or whatever, we'd be like, hey, programmers, here's what we're

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gonna be at twelve thirty. And it kind of grew

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on me in a way that you know, it came

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out of nowhere when I was like, okay, well I'm

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looking for titles and I've never named a record after

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something that doesn't have to do with a song, you know,

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so I was like, man, the program. It sounds kind

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of ominous. It's very mysterious. It could be taken very seriously.

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You know, people might be like, well that's so deep,

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when it's really just like a name for a fun

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group of people, and just you know, literally that's what

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we used it for. But it kind of became this

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cool thing, and now, you know, even with the cover art.

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I could see her in front of the cover art.

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It's like her face is falling off, you know, her head,

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and it's like, is that the programming inside of her life?

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So many things with it. And I also thought it

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was kind of funny to be like, hey man, throw

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on the program tonight. You know, we're gonna we're gonna

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watch the videos for the program or something. I feel

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like it's just a cool play on words too. So

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that's kind of my long, short version.

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And that's why I want you to tell it because

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I love the story because to me, it's so organic,

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and I think good music has to be organic. I

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think the hardest thing in artist has to do is

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a record label says, okay, you need to make an

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album and it needs to be done by you know,

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next month. Yeah, and that's not really inspirational. It's like now,

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it's just like you have to go through the motions

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to get the job done, instead of having to create

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of inspiration like you did and wake up one day

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in all science like, oh my god, I have an

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album and you didn't even program it that way.

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It was cool. I had never written like a destination record.

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I guess some people would say, like the way bands

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used to do, you know, you would hear stories of

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led Zeppelin going to this castle and what a France

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or something, or the Rolling Stones having like a mousti

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wow recording truck and just getting up and going. You know,

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like nowadays that doesn't really happen as much because obviously

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after budget like half of what they used to be.

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But also it was just it was just kind of

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circumstantial the way it all played out. Like, you know,

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I remember one time I was writing this just one

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song on the record called Shades of You, and I

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remember we came back from a club and it was

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like four in the morning and I was like, you know,

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pretty drunk on a bed with a bass and I

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was just like playing this riff and I was like, oh,

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that's pretty cool. You know. I would record stuff like

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that because, like you said, when there was no parameters,

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there wasn't like a set deadline from the label being

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like you have to do this now, you have to

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do it by at this point, you know, and this

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is how we want it to sound. I was kind

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of free to make a record out of my own validity.

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I actually ended up telling everybody at the label or

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telling our team like, hey, I'm ready to make a record,

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so I got it. You know, it happened much more naturally,

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whereas in the past I haven't had that experience as much.

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Before it was like, we need the record by now.

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They never told me what we wanted it to sound.

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I'm very lucky in that regard. I've never had too

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many hands or too many cooks. That's good, you know,

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So that's that's pretty rare.

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I'm against that.

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So that's cool because like, all right, I have nothing

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wrong with business people. I have a problem with business

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people telling creative people how to be creative, sure, just

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like they don't want the creatives to tell them how

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to run business.

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Of course. And you know, in the music industry, as

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you know, like everybody's everybody has to say something about something.

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Everybody has to get there saying everybody's got their own ego,

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and you know they I'm not gonna knock anybody, but

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it's it's funny when non musicians try to tell musicians

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how to make music. It's like, I understand if there's

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a business aspect to it, but I would never dare tell, like,

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you know, an engineer how to build a car or something.

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Right, And I am in awe of songwriters Like, Okay,

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so I'm a writer, but I write books. And I

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wrote one song with my bro who was a musician,

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and it was pretty funny because I brought him the song.

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He's like, what the fuck is this a book?

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Yeah?

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And I said to him, I'm like, yeah, listen, they

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like I am that type of writer. I'm coming to

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you because you'll be able to turn this into a song. Yeah,

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because I won't be able to eliminate.

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A of it.

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Because he started with, you know, okay, can we take

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this out? No, that's really important, Like everything was important.

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But I think a song comes from you put a

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bunch of thought, but then you really have to like

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narrow it down and get risk stuff, which is I

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find I have a lot of offer you know, artists,

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because that must be so hard because it's all like

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your babies, and you have to get rid of some

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of it. You can't like it can't be everything you know.

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Yeah, of course, I mean you gotta be you can't

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be super precious about everything you know. And also I

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think in part a lot of what you're describing to

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a lot of that kind of falls on a great

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producer to sort of mitigate the you know, the clutter

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of it all. You know, of course, when you're the

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one making it, you know, you're too connected, maybe you

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can't see things objectively.

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So exactly.

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I think that's why it's important to have a really,

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really great producer, which we do, and he is very

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detrimental and quite literally instrumental to the project and really

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really helped kind of declutter a lot of that stuff

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and refine things.

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You know.

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Well, that's why I think it's cool like you brought

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that up, because like in this scenario, you had.

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Like a collective of people that.

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Were strangers, yeah, that you were getting the feedback from.

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And I think that's way cool because it's kind of

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hard to step outside yourself, and it's kind of hard

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to get people, you know, to give you the honest opinion.

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So strangers will be right out, they'll tell you straight

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out what they think.

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Absolutely, this is what I've been saying. You know, you've

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done a couple of these people keep bringing this out.

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It's like it's way harder to tell your close friend

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how you really feel without hurting their feelings. Right, there's

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no skin in the game between me and said person,

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I just spent it. Yeah, we might like each other.

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We're hanging out, we're having a good time, but like

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there's not like years and years of emotional dependence on

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each other, you know, so, which is much unlike you know,

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my best friend that I was staying with, because if

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you gave me criticism, it's like you got to be

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careful what you say to me because you know, I'm

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sensitive when.

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It comes to him.

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But right exactly, you know, but this person or that

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person whatever that we just kind of kind of came

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into the fold. They could be more objective. And also

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it goes both ways, like I could tell them how

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I feel and they can tell me how I feel,

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and there's like no hard feelings basically because of that.

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Yeah, absolutely, you know.

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And it's not taken the same way as it's as

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if it's from your best friend.

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Yeah, you know, it's like your mom telling you she's

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disappointed in you versus like your boss. It's like way

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more when it's your.

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Mother, no doubt, you know, absolutely.

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And I have to laugh too because you were talking about,

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you know, the program before, and you're talking about like

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like people not not like wondering what it is. And

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I sit there when you were saying that, I was

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thinking myself. Man, in the world that we live in

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right now, I could almost guarantee you most people, if

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you didn't tell them what it was, they probably all

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think it's some political conspiracy.

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Yeah, that's the thing. You can kind of go so

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many ways, like what is the program? It's like are

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we broken love joined the illuminati? You know, right?

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Or it could be like, oh, are you part of

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a program to make Canada to fifty first state?

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You never know these days, you know. So I think

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it's it's precisely because of that is why I was chosen.

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It's very ominous. It's what does it mean?

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Man?

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You know?

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And here I am telling you what it means to us.

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But people will make up their.

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Own absolutely, And I think the best even with songs,

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I think the best songs there's a serious meaning to you, artist,

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but there's a different meaning for every person listening to it.

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And if you can appeal to everybody and yourself, then

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it's a good song.

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Yeah. Absolutely, you know. I mean, you know you say

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you write books like you if you're a writer, you

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understand that you can you can mean or intentionally write

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things a certain way with a certain type of meaning

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behind it. But people are always going to take away

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their own their own meetings to everything, you know.

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Yeah, just look at texting, Like how many times do

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people get into arguments over texting because there's no talent

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and tonality, so it's misunderstood.

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I definitely struggle with that. That's why I'm get on

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the phone. You got to you gotta hear the inflections

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in my voice.

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See, I love hearing that because there's so many people

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nowadays that won't get on the phone. And some things,

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like even in in work work stuff, like people email

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me and I'll and if it's something that's not like

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a simple yes now, I'll call them up and they're like,

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what's marr.

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You don't use email. I'm like, yeah, I use it plenty,

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but your question.

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Requires a verbal response period, Right, Yeah, I feel you.

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I mean, I'm also I mean, I'm I'm twenty seven

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and a lot of people in my generation and younger.

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I have four younger siblings as well. It's like I

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was kind of one of the last generations of people

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that like kind of made it right before everything went

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super digital, you know, right, like we still have flip phones,

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you know, and no Instagram like when we were in

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high school for a while, you know. But like it's

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kind of funny to see how much it's changed, especially

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with my younger siblings. It's like you have to text

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all the time, where it's it always surprises people when

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I'm like, no, you just got to call me. I mean,

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my friends even know, they just come and walk into

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my house, you know, like if you want to get

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hold of me, you can just come over, you know.

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And there's some people I know they'll never answer their

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phone ever because they just want you to text them

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or you know. I love what you're saying too, because

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one thing trips me out as somebody that is older,

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that lived in time where there was no cell phones

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and no internet and none of that. And if you

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wanted to get a girl in high school, you said,

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on the phone with them all night long.

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Yeah yeah. Yeah.

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The women I meet now, whether they're in your age

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group or my age group or anywhere in between, none

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of them like to talk on the phone. And it

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blows my mind because that's that's how I grew up,

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as like the guys didn't want to talk on the phone.

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But if you wanted to get the girl. That's what

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you had to do.

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Well. A lot of people actually get scared now if

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you call them it's like almost too strong. It's like

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putting too yeah, like too it's too forward almost, which

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is like I feel like a lot of people are

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just as scared of a they're scared of accountability nowadays,

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because if you're talking real time, you might make some

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mistakes like right they ed you know, text thing and

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now you never really I think things move a lot

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slower because of that, and uh, I just prefer to

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be direct. And it's kind of like a mantra even

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across everything from who I am and into the music

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that we make. It's like we're not a like a

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we haven't embraced a lot of the modern technology, should

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I say as a band. I mean we still record

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live like we love that these things. You know, there's

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no some of our songs. If you put up a

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click track like it will move you know what I mean.

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There's no tracks when we play live like we we

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do everything like authentic. You know.

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I love that.

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It seems like it's making a comeback to real musicianship.

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You know, it almost seems like because there's a few

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bands like you that they're kind of in that mode.

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And I'm happy about it because I gotta tell you

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some bands I see nowadays it's like, are you using

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an algebraic equation to write your songs?

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Right?

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Yeah?

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Everything has just become so much more. There's just so

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many corners you can cut nowadays with all the technology.

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And I'm not knocking on it. You know, there's so

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many ways things have gotten easier because of it. Like

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certainly the the the advantage of using in years live.

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Now practically it's practically the standard has changed the game

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in terms of like safety and being able to hear

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yourself and all that kind of stuff, and ant modeling

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and all that kind of stuff is like gotten rid

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of the need to lug around gear. Now we still

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use real lamps, you know, out of principle. But you know,

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it kind of makes everything sound the same to me

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when everybody's using the same software, the same plugins, the

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same and then now people I actually saw I think

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it was an article maybe in a loud Wire or

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something the other day there was a certain singer from

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a metal band that was like, you know, we're going

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to try to go back to being more raw. We're

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going to try to strip back so much of this heavy,

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heavy production because you know, it used to be that

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rock musicians or rock fans had such pride in rock

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because they were like, it's real music. It's right, it's

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like real musicians, you know, the playing. But with a

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lot of people be able to realize is at this

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point in time, a lot of the favorite rock bands

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are just as produced and just as slick and you know,

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as your big pop stars. You know, everything is be detected.

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The drums are basically all fake, you know, the vocals

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are autotuned to hell. Like that's kind of the standard

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you know nowadays with modern production, and it kind of

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sucks a lot of a life out of so much

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of it, you know, which is maybe why I think

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our band kind of shines through. I don't think we're

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reinventing the wheel here, but I think just based off

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the fact that we don't kind of adhere to these

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modern principles, like we stand out because we're just not.

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Do you think it's more like you're bringing back the wheel?

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You know, yeah, maybe, and there's a few bands that

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are doing it for sure, but you still don't you know,

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like I don't want to make a record that sounds

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like Zeppelin too. I love it, you know, but that's

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still like a little too dated obviously, Like obviously the

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more low end now and you can get a little

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more clarity out of things and whatever, you know, but

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there's a fine line that you can walk where where

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it can easily become very like homogenized and very just

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like h dynamically, very very static, you know, and uh,

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we're not. We're not like that. I mean, I want

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people to hear the record and see us live and go, oh,

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that's actually what they sound like right now.

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Going back to what you originally said about, you know,

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like going to a destination, I think that's part of

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what made bands like Zeppelin, the Beatles and all that great.

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It is not necessarily the destination, but the fact that

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every album was different.

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Yeah, yeah, for sure, you know variety now and it's

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to find.

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That, no doubt.

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Even some of my favorite bands, like I loved their

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first couple albums and then everything after that was just

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like just just going through the motions.

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There's nothing there, you know.

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It Sometimes it bothers me when some of my favorite

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I guess quote unquote legacy bands start putting out new

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records and they've kind of adopted that modern production kind

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of style, and I'm like, oh, now they've kind of

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just now they just sound like everybody else. Right, it

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goes deeper than that, man. I mean, it's like they

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all have the same producer, they all have the same mixers,

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they have the same engineers. They're you know, the same

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songwriters that are writing a lot of these songs too.

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So it's like this little world, you know, especially that's

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kind of like monopolized the whole thing. And now all

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these bands you know that are in the top ten

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at any given time, most of the time, it's the

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same group of guys that are that are working on

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it behind the scenes, which is why it sounds that way.

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And you know, we kind of do everything ourselves. We're

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kind of more self sufficient. I write most of the songs.

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Me and my producer aunt Tommy write a lot of

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songs together, and we try and you know, and break

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free from the and yeah, some some people call us

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like a classic rock sounding band, and I don't think

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that's true because I don't think we sound like a

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CDC or Aerosmith or anything.

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And I don't think so either like, listen to your music,

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I think it sounds fresh.

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Well, thank you, I appreciate that.

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You know.

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It's like, because I'm with you, somebody that's been listening

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to music for my whole life. Like there's a lot

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of bands nowadays, I'm just like, yeah, that just sounds

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like every other band. And to your point, you know,

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people don't think of that. If every band's using the

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same producer, of course it's going to sound the same

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because that producer has their way and they're you know,

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their their mark. You know that that you recognize. And

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if you go back to even the eighties, Okay, the

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metal bands as an example, in the eighties didn't all

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sound the same.

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Not even close.

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Yeah, And now, like I used to be the type

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when the older generation would say it all sounds the same,

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I'd be like, you don't know what you're talking about. Yeah,

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and Fracts doesn't sound anything like Slayer. Sorry, you know,

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and maybe it does to them, but in reality it doesn't. However,

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you could name five metal bands right now that all

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sound exactly the same.

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I mean, you know, you're preaching at the choir, Like

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I have a few friends that are into a lot

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of the super modern metal, hard rock stuff. It's not

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particularly my thing. I mean sometimes I find things that

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I enjoy, but it's like I'm kind of over a

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lot of the kind of like genty sort of overly

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heavy things, like how much heavier can we get? You know,

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especially again with modern production, you could you could detune

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your guitar with a plug in, like a full two

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octaves down if you want, you know. And it's just

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at that point it's not even like notes to me

456
00:22:58.839 --> 00:23:01.720
right now. It just and it's cool. It's heavy listen.

457
00:23:01.799 --> 00:23:04.279
I know, I understand why people enjoy it and you

458
00:23:04.319 --> 00:23:06.039
can mosh around and have a good time to it.

459
00:23:06.079 --> 00:23:10.079
But like especially with rock radio, and I mean maybe

460
00:23:10.079 --> 00:23:13.440
more so in America than Canada, Like a lot of

461
00:23:13.480 --> 00:23:16.960
the modern rock on radio in America is like kind

462
00:23:16.960 --> 00:23:18.400
of just metal, you know.

463
00:23:19.000 --> 00:23:19.720
I know, it's weird.

464
00:23:19.880 --> 00:23:21.559
It's weird to me as I grew up at a

465
00:23:21.559 --> 00:23:24.480
time where the metal bands I like, I like them

466
00:23:24.480 --> 00:23:27.519
because they didn't play on the radio. So it's like

467
00:23:27.759 --> 00:23:31.680
really weird to me that a metal band should have

468
00:23:31.960 --> 00:23:33.839
radio music.

469
00:23:35.160 --> 00:23:38.279
It's like this weird turn like active rock. You know

470
00:23:38.319 --> 00:23:42.359
that people, It's like it's kind of just it's like

471
00:23:42.519 --> 00:23:45.319
radio metal is what I like to call it, you know.

472
00:23:45.880 --> 00:23:48.920
And no, I guess in a way I see it

473
00:23:48.960 --> 00:23:51.160
as like a modern version of like hair metal or something,

474
00:23:51.200 --> 00:23:53.839
because I understand, you know, Rat and Motley Crue and

475
00:23:53.839 --> 00:23:56.319
all this that was metal in a way. You know,

476
00:23:56.880 --> 00:23:59.279
it was certainly heavier than like thirty eight Special or

477
00:23:59.319 --> 00:24:03.799
like ariop Wagon or something like that. You know. But

478
00:24:04.640 --> 00:24:07.279
I'm kind of getting a little exhausted with that kind

479
00:24:07.319 --> 00:24:13.000
of thing. And it's funny too, how growing up metal

480
00:24:13.039 --> 00:24:15.839
core was kind of like really bustling when I was younger,

481
00:24:15.880 --> 00:24:19.279
Like that was a lot of what was popular when

482
00:24:19.599 --> 00:24:21.519
in terms of like modern rock when I was like

483
00:24:22.440 --> 00:24:24.640
an early teen or something like that. How it's all

484
00:24:24.759 --> 00:24:27.160
kind of coming back, you know, like everything's kind of

485
00:24:27.319 --> 00:24:29.839
cyclical in that sense. And now it's like we're back

486
00:24:29.880 --> 00:24:33.279
to metalcore and and the gent thing kind of and

487
00:24:34.079 --> 00:24:37.440
you know, I mean, I'm not saying again that we're

488
00:24:37.480 --> 00:24:39.799
reinventing the wheel. Some would say, Okay, we're just like

489
00:24:39.920 --> 00:24:42.720
kind of like Worldblood or like you know, Jack Whitey

490
00:24:42.880 --> 00:24:45.480
or you know, I've heard I've heard it all, you know,

491
00:24:46.200 --> 00:24:53.359
But there's something about really a real band playing that

492
00:24:53.480 --> 00:24:53.880
I think you.

493
00:24:56.359 --> 00:24:58.559
Know, one hund.

494
00:25:00.359 --> 00:25:04.160
You know, listen, hate to throw shade and I won't

495
00:25:04.200 --> 00:25:07.599
say who, but if you're going to cancel a gig

496
00:25:07.759 --> 00:25:11.559
because you don't have your laptop.

497
00:25:11.359 --> 00:25:12.400
Yeah, it's ridiculous.

498
00:25:12.839 --> 00:25:16.400
Yeah, I mean, like play.

499
00:25:17.079 --> 00:25:20.400
I come from a time where David Lee Roth was

500
00:25:20.480 --> 00:25:23.119
up on stage forgot the words, ain't talking about love,

501
00:25:23.559 --> 00:25:26.559
screamed the three hundred thousand people, I fucking forgot the

502
00:25:26.559 --> 00:25:27.920
words and they all cheered.

503
00:25:28.279 --> 00:25:32.759
Yeah, like that happens at our shows. It's like, that's

504
00:25:32.799 --> 00:25:36.640
that's part of the experience, you know, doubt, no doubt.

505
00:25:37.599 --> 00:25:40.640
The basic prerequisite to be a professional musician is you

506
00:25:40.680 --> 00:25:46.200
could play your songs, you know exactly, you know, I

507
00:25:46.279 --> 00:25:48.160
understand I have to be sympathetic to a lot of

508
00:25:48.200 --> 00:25:51.960
bands that Like, again, with modern production, the way it's

509
00:25:51.960 --> 00:25:55.119
afforded us to basically layer one hundred tracks on a song,

510
00:25:55.240 --> 00:25:57.119
you might want to go crazy and make your song

511
00:25:57.160 --> 00:25:59.839
sound as big as possible, and then, you know, because

512
00:25:59.839 --> 00:26:01.920
of budget reasons, you don't want to hire a third

513
00:26:01.960 --> 00:26:04.599
guitar player, or hire a keyboard guy, or hire a

514
00:26:04.640 --> 00:26:07.720
percussionist or whatever. Like I understand it. I'm sympathetic to

515
00:26:07.839 --> 00:26:11.480
the to the you know that claim or that that

516
00:26:11.559 --> 00:26:16.119
way of playing. But I'm just kind of sick of

517
00:26:16.160 --> 00:26:19.960
like producer music, you know, sound like bands anymore. It

518
00:26:20.039 --> 00:26:22.799
sounds like a producer, like much like the pop world

519
00:26:22.799 --> 00:26:25.240
where a producer builds a track and then you know,

520
00:26:25.279 --> 00:26:27.119
the singer comes and they write a song or add

521
00:26:27.160 --> 00:26:29.519
some vocals to it. But like everything in pop is

522
00:26:29.599 --> 00:26:31.839
very producer based, and rock has kind of become.

523
00:26:32.000 --> 00:26:35.920
That, you know, totally and look at it here in

524
00:26:36.039 --> 00:26:39.640
radio podcasting. It's like I tell my clients that do

525
00:26:40.000 --> 00:26:44.559
shows on our station, It's like, yeah, get ready your script,

526
00:26:45.359 --> 00:26:47.799
get rid over production, just get on there and have

527
00:26:47.839 --> 00:26:49.720
conversations because that's what people want.

528
00:26:50.400 --> 00:26:55.000
Yeah, it's real and it comes through. It's like especially live,

529
00:26:55.400 --> 00:26:58.960
you know, because I personally believe that if you're going

530
00:26:59.000 --> 00:27:00.839
to play shows and you're just going to play the

531
00:27:00.839 --> 00:27:03.960
record through the tracks, you know, you're kind of ripping

532
00:27:04.000 --> 00:27:07.519
people off. There used to be a time where I'm

533
00:27:07.559 --> 00:27:09.839
sure you you know, like back in the day, like

534
00:27:10.559 --> 00:27:13.400
you would lose your whole career over getting caught, you know,

535
00:27:13.440 --> 00:27:14.920
if you were lip syncing or something like that.

536
00:27:17.319 --> 00:27:18.319
Perfect example.

537
00:27:19.240 --> 00:27:23.759
You know, nowadays, not only is it the standard, it's encouraged.

538
00:27:24.279 --> 00:27:26.599
Oh my God, it's like they.

539
00:27:26.519 --> 00:27:29.599
Would almost prefer you to do that. It just becomes

540
00:27:29.680 --> 00:27:35.039
so so commonplace that we've kind of forgotten about the

541
00:27:35.079 --> 00:27:38.079
idea of just playing, you know. And I couldn't tell

542
00:27:38.079 --> 00:27:39.880
you how many tours we've been on. We're the only

543
00:27:39.920 --> 00:27:42.920
band that doesn't play the tracks, you know. And uh,

544
00:27:43.279 --> 00:27:47.039
it's kind of disappointing in a way because I don't

545
00:27:47.079 --> 00:27:49.039
want to fake it. I don't want to give, you know,

546
00:27:49.160 --> 00:27:52.920
people a inauthentic experience. I want people to get their

547
00:27:52.960 --> 00:27:54.559
money's worth, you know. I want them to have a

548
00:27:54.880 --> 00:27:58.000
real experience that's that's unique to that night, you know,

549
00:27:58.079 --> 00:28:00.279
Whereas when you see it five nights in a and

550
00:28:00.279 --> 00:28:02.359
they're just playing tracks every single night, it's the same

551
00:28:02.440 --> 00:28:05.960
thing every single night, you know, of last they're not

552
00:28:06.000 --> 00:28:07.160
playing right.

553
00:28:07.680 --> 00:28:10.039
And you know, it's funny because I do. I go

554
00:28:10.119 --> 00:28:12.640
on tour and I do coverage at radio festival, at

555
00:28:12.720 --> 00:28:15.519
music festivals all over the US, UK and Europe, and

556
00:28:16.640 --> 00:28:19.519
you know, it's interesting, even the bands that I love,

557
00:28:20.559 --> 00:28:23.200
I'll be at a festival at the end of festival

558
00:28:23.319 --> 00:28:27.119
season and I've seen the band like ten times already,

559
00:28:27.799 --> 00:28:31.160
and I'm predicting what they're gonna I'm saying what they're

560
00:28:31.200 --> 00:28:32.720
gonna say in between songs.

561
00:28:32.920 --> 00:28:34.480
It's like that scripted.

562
00:28:35.160 --> 00:28:38.359
Yeah, And like you gotta give credit to bands like

563
00:28:38.400 --> 00:28:42.960
The Grateful Dead that never had the same set ever

564
00:28:43.480 --> 00:28:48.559
and they just played, you know, and and whatever happened happened.

565
00:28:48.599 --> 00:28:51.160
And I got to think, as a musician, that's gotta

566
00:28:51.200 --> 00:28:53.319
be a lot more fun than doing the same shit

567
00:28:53.400 --> 00:28:55.359
every night. That's why I give credit to Bring Me

568
00:28:55.440 --> 00:28:58.359
to Rise. And you were mentioning Melchor. I was thinking

569
00:28:58.400 --> 00:29:01.519
about that because they got a lot of shade right

570
00:29:01.559 --> 00:29:04.559
now for switching up their music. But like I give

571
00:29:04.599 --> 00:29:08.119
them kudos. Listen, you're experimenting doing you as an artist,

572
00:29:08.160 --> 00:29:12.079
and you're going in all different areas and hey, to me,

573
00:29:12.680 --> 00:29:14.759
that's what it should be. And Allie said in an interview,

574
00:29:14.759 --> 00:29:16.640
why do I want to write the same song over

575
00:29:16.680 --> 00:29:17.319
and over again?

576
00:29:18.000 --> 00:29:21.960
Absolutely? It's it's I don't think there's any wrong with

577
00:29:22.000 --> 00:29:24.880
that at all. Like we should progress as artists. And

578
00:29:25.000 --> 00:29:27.519
you know, I'm sitting here, I have a candle of

579
00:29:27.599 --> 00:29:30.079
prints right here, and it's like, what better example of

580
00:29:30.119 --> 00:29:34.119
a guy that just kept reinventing himself. Every single record

581
00:29:34.200 --> 00:29:37.000
is completely different, and you're building a body of work.

582
00:29:37.160 --> 00:29:38.920
You know, it's like, if people want to listen to

583
00:29:38.960 --> 00:29:42.039
that version of your band, they can. You know, I

584
00:29:42.039 --> 00:29:44.440
don't think it's alienating your audience. I think you're just

585
00:29:44.759 --> 00:29:46.880
only a guy like Bowie or something like that. It's

586
00:29:46.880 --> 00:29:49.640
like these people were just pushing the envelope again and

587
00:29:49.680 --> 00:29:51.559
again and again. Now I me it was to say,

588
00:29:51.599 --> 00:29:54.119
you know, a band like ACDC, some would say have

589
00:29:54.200 --> 00:29:56.480
been putting out the same records for thirty or forty years,

590
00:29:56.519 --> 00:29:59.680
but there's only a few of those that could just

591
00:29:59.680 --> 00:30:02.279
get away with it, and it's just right a single time,

592
00:30:02.359 --> 00:30:04.400
you know, like I don't want a CDC to change

593
00:30:04.480 --> 00:30:06.799
every time I hear an ACDC song. You know, they

594
00:30:06.839 --> 00:30:09.200
put out a few records since I've been a kid,

595
00:30:10.160 --> 00:30:11.480
it's always fucking awesome.

596
00:30:12.519 --> 00:30:16.519
Yeah, that's a difference, so they can pull it off.

597
00:30:16.759 --> 00:30:19.400
And then you know, you take artists that you know,

598
00:30:19.480 --> 00:30:21.920
bands want to hold on to their first albums.

599
00:30:22.119 --> 00:30:24.000
You know, the fans want them to.

600
00:30:23.960 --> 00:30:27.599
Stay that way, but what good artists would want to

601
00:30:27.640 --> 00:30:28.519
stay a beginner?

602
00:30:29.279 --> 00:30:33.359
Absolutely, and it's kind of why you know, our third

603
00:30:33.440 --> 00:30:37.119
record sounds a little different than our first two, Like

604
00:30:37.759 --> 00:30:39.640
I don't want to keep doing the same thing. You know,

605
00:30:39.680 --> 00:30:42.440
we were experimenting with like more R and B elements

606
00:30:42.440 --> 00:30:44.960
and funk and even a little poppy at times. Like

607
00:30:45.000 --> 00:30:47.160
it was just it had to do something. And I

608
00:30:47.200 --> 00:30:51.359
feel like it's your duty as an artist to not

609
00:30:51.599 --> 00:30:54.279
give the people exactly the same thing every single time. Like,

610
00:30:54.319 --> 00:30:56.319
if you want to listen to this era of Broken Love,

611
00:30:56.359 --> 00:30:59.880
you can, but the third record especially has to be different.

612
00:30:59.920 --> 00:31:01.880
You have to get a little more muitious.

613
00:31:01.839 --> 00:31:04.079
You know, and you have to you have to get

614
00:31:04.119 --> 00:31:07.000
better at your craft, Like why would you not want

615
00:31:07.039 --> 00:31:09.799
to get better and then getting better your music is

616
00:31:09.880 --> 00:31:12.119
going to change because you know what you're doing more.

617
00:31:12.720 --> 00:31:16.519
Yeah, I mean, you know, everybody I think at the

618
00:31:16.559 --> 00:31:19.319
time was shocked when like nineteen eighty four came out

619
00:31:19.359 --> 00:31:21.519
with you know, Van Halen. You know, there's all of

620
00:31:21.519 --> 00:31:23.799
a sudden, there's like keyboards and shit, you.

621
00:31:23.720 --> 00:31:28.039
Know, but rush rush.

622
00:31:27.119 --> 00:31:29.400
Yeah, rush start a keyboard era, you.

623
00:31:29.359 --> 00:31:32.559
Know, right, And you know, I hate to say it,

624
00:31:32.599 --> 00:31:34.680
I am one of those people that I didn't like

625
00:31:34.759 --> 00:31:36.839
when they went to that, but I do give them

626
00:31:36.920 --> 00:31:41.640
credit for going to that because you can't stay raw forever.

627
00:31:42.079 --> 00:31:46.519
If you're that kind of musician and you know, listen,

628
00:31:46.960 --> 00:31:49.279
of course you want to experiment if you're an artist,

629
00:31:49.279 --> 00:31:50.119
that's the whole key.

630
00:31:50.200 --> 00:31:53.599
I think, Yeah, I mean you have every right to

631
00:31:53.920 --> 00:31:58.000
and I don't think I don't think you should consider,

632
00:31:58.559 --> 00:32:01.599
you know, what people want or expect from you as

633
00:32:01.640 --> 00:32:05.000
an artist's I have to walk, I think definitely, Like

634
00:32:05.079 --> 00:32:07.279
you don't want to disappoint people, for sure, but like,

635
00:32:07.880 --> 00:32:10.839
if you're considering what the audience is expecting from you

636
00:32:10.880 --> 00:32:12.519
all the time, then you're not making the music for

637
00:32:12.559 --> 00:32:13.440
yourself anymore.

638
00:32:13.960 --> 00:32:17.160
And it's that and they'll see it. It's transparent in

639
00:32:17.200 --> 00:32:18.160
my opinion.

640
00:32:18.240 --> 00:32:20.119
How could you get up on stage every single night

641
00:32:20.160 --> 00:32:21.880
and sing songs you don't believe in, Like, if you

642
00:32:22.480 --> 00:32:25.960
believe in it, it'll come through. And maybe you're you know,

643
00:32:26.119 --> 00:32:29.039
you're fans of your previous stuff won't come along with you,

644
00:32:29.079 --> 00:32:32.160
but you might make new fans because of that change.

645
00:32:32.240 --> 00:32:33.240
And they'll come back.

646
00:32:33.279 --> 00:32:36.039
And I'm I'm a perfect example that who went to

647
00:32:36.079 --> 00:32:39.079
Metallica's first show ever and when the Black album came out,

648
00:32:39.160 --> 00:32:43.519
I was like, fucking poser, sellouts and fuck you And

649
00:32:43.559 --> 00:32:46.839
they're still my favorite band all these years later, one

650
00:32:46.839 --> 00:32:49.880
of my favorite band, and they've built a huge catalog.

651
00:32:49.920 --> 00:32:54.160
It's like you know. One of the advantages of listening stuff. Basically,

652
00:32:54.759 --> 00:32:56.680
you know, by the time I started getting into all

653
00:32:56.720 --> 00:32:58.960
these old rock bands, their careers were not over, but

654
00:32:58.960 --> 00:33:01.839
they just stopped putting out new albums. Is I can

655
00:33:01.880 --> 00:33:04.200
then go back and go, Okay, I added these twenty records.

656
00:33:04.319 --> 00:33:06.720
I like these ones, you know, and I'm still play

657
00:33:06.880 --> 00:33:09.079
for life. I'll still see them every single time they

658
00:33:09.079 --> 00:33:10.000
come around.

659
00:33:10.039 --> 00:33:12.880
But I know, when I'm listening with Alica, I like

660
00:33:12.960 --> 00:33:15.640
Master Puppets, Ride the Lightning, you know, and Justice for

661
00:33:15.759 --> 00:33:19.359
All is like my era, you know, yeah, or like

662
00:33:19.440 --> 00:33:22.160
I know with Kiss, I'm a huge Kiss fan. I

663
00:33:22.279 --> 00:33:24.519
like seventies Kiss era, you know, and then I like

664
00:33:24.559 --> 00:33:27.279
Revenge in the nineties, you know, like you.

665
00:33:27.319 --> 00:33:30.240
Can like I remember I was a huge Kiss fanatic,

666
00:33:30.319 --> 00:33:33.200
and I remember when Dynasty came out, and I'm like,

667
00:33:33.400 --> 00:33:37.119
what the hell because they were like the anti disco

668
00:33:37.240 --> 00:33:40.480
band and now they were disco and you know, but.

669
00:33:41.440 --> 00:33:45.240
People loved it, you know. And that's the point.

670
00:33:45.279 --> 00:33:51.680
It's like, sometimes your fan base will change, but the

671
00:33:51.720 --> 00:33:54.119
old school people will still be your fan base, even

672
00:33:54.160 --> 00:33:56.680
if they act like jerk offs like I did with Metallica.

673
00:33:57.240 --> 00:34:01.880
When you know, you come back, but you can't just

674
00:34:01.920 --> 00:34:04.240
always appeal to your garage fans.

675
00:34:05.160 --> 00:34:08.960
And and you know, nowadays two more than ever, people

676
00:34:09.039 --> 00:34:12.320
and listeners and musicians are just way less precious about

677
00:34:12.400 --> 00:34:13.480
genre anymore.

678
00:34:13.840 --> 00:34:15.440
I love that. It's amazing.

679
00:34:15.519 --> 00:34:17.960
Yeah, it's amazing now because, like like you said, back

680
00:34:18.000 --> 00:34:20.079
in the day, when Kiss put out Dynasty, it was

681
00:34:20.159 --> 00:34:22.559
like a shot in the foot or you know, or sorry,

682
00:34:22.559 --> 00:34:24.559
I just a shot in the face of like every

683
00:34:24.639 --> 00:34:26.519
rock fan. How the fuck did they go? Disco this,

684
00:34:26.519 --> 00:34:29.920
this and that and the other. Nowadays bands are doing

685
00:34:30.119 --> 00:34:33.440
I mean, look at the like a band like sleep

686
00:34:33.480 --> 00:34:37.320
Token or yeah, like if you know, Hardy is like

687
00:34:37.360 --> 00:34:39.320
guys like that, It's like, what is how do you

688
00:34:39.320 --> 00:34:41.840
even describe this? And that's kind of what's amazing about it,

689
00:34:41.920 --> 00:34:44.039
you know, you could like I was just listening to

690
00:34:44.119 --> 00:34:47.000
a podcast with Wolfgang van Halen and Billy Corgan and

691
00:34:47.639 --> 00:34:50.599
Wolfgang and Billy Corgan joked about like opening for Taylor

692
00:34:50.679 --> 00:34:52.760
Swift and Wolfgang was like, actually I like Taylor Swift

693
00:34:52.840 --> 00:34:54.679
and it's like you can just do that now. It's

694
00:34:54.719 --> 00:34:56.400
not nobody gets mad.

695
00:34:56.440 --> 00:34:58.559
Oh yeah, and I come from the time and a

696
00:34:58.639 --> 00:35:02.519
gate keeping bullshit, and it's like it was so finite

697
00:35:02.559 --> 00:35:04.119
like I was a thrash metal head.

698
00:35:04.159 --> 00:35:05.679
You can't listen to anything else.

699
00:35:05.920 --> 00:35:09.079
That's it, you know, and it's such just a stupid

700
00:35:09.119 --> 00:35:13.559
I've interviewed people nowadays that I was fans of in

701
00:35:13.599 --> 00:35:17.440
the eighties, but I never admitted it, and so I'm like,

702
00:35:17.480 --> 00:35:19.239
I tell them on the interview now, I'm like, you know,

703
00:35:19.800 --> 00:35:22.079
I'm glad I could admit now that I really liked you,

704
00:35:22.079 --> 00:35:25.920
because that fucking gate keeper shit was bull Okay, it's bullshit.

705
00:35:26.000 --> 00:35:28.719
And you know, there's two types of music, good.

706
00:35:28.639 --> 00:35:31.239
And bad, right exactly.

707
00:35:31.679 --> 00:35:33.679
So it doesn't really matter what you like. I don't

708
00:35:33.679 --> 00:35:37.079
think people should be afraid or embarrassed or you know,

709
00:35:37.239 --> 00:35:39.039
to try things that are new or get into things

710
00:35:39.079 --> 00:35:41.119
that aren't normally in their world. I think when I

711
00:35:41.199 --> 00:35:44.000
was younger, I was definitely more closed minded, and I

712
00:35:44.039 --> 00:35:45.519
was like, it has to be rock. It's always got

713
00:35:45.519 --> 00:35:47.000
to be rock, but it has to be old rock

714
00:35:47.039 --> 00:35:49.480
because new rock is not real rock, you know, right,

715
00:35:49.800 --> 00:35:53.119
I am probably twenty years after I started listening to

716
00:35:53.199 --> 00:35:56.480
rock music, you know, making modern rock music, and now

717
00:35:56.519 --> 00:35:59.639
on this record, even additing some disco flavor or like

718
00:35:59.719 --> 00:36:02.119
some flavor that I never thought I would do, you know,

719
00:36:02.440 --> 00:36:05.719
when I was a kid. But you know, the possibilities

720
00:36:05.719 --> 00:36:08.239
are endless nowadays and people are receptive to it. So

721
00:36:08.280 --> 00:36:10.400
it's it's a it's actually a really really great time

722
00:36:11.000 --> 00:36:12.679
to be a musician in a lot of ways.

723
00:36:13.000 --> 00:36:19.239
Well that's the program, right, So tell everybody how they

724
00:36:19.280 --> 00:36:21.519
can reach out to you guys on socials, on the web,

725
00:36:21.599 --> 00:36:25.360
how they can get the new album and tour dates

726
00:36:25.400 --> 00:36:26.320
and all that good stuff.

727
00:36:26.880 --> 00:36:30.159
Well, you know, we're on Instagram and Facebook and Twitter

728
00:36:30.320 --> 00:36:31.679
x whatever you want to call it. It's all just

729
00:36:31.840 --> 00:36:35.559
at Broken Love Music. Our website is just Brokenlove dot com.

730
00:36:35.599 --> 00:36:39.320
Everything is on there as well. We're on Spotify, Apple Music, anyway.

731
00:36:39.320 --> 00:36:41.039
You can find music where they are. We're on YouTube.

732
00:36:41.480 --> 00:36:43.199
You put in broken Love, you spell it the way

733
00:36:43.199 --> 00:36:46.639
we spell it. Be ourcad very stupid, but we're kind

734
00:36:46.639 --> 00:36:50.920
of committed to it. Now you'll find us, So just

735
00:36:51.239 --> 00:36:53.079
keep an eye in and ear out, and now you know,

736
00:36:53.239 --> 00:36:56.480
maybe we'll come. We'll come to a to a city

737
00:36:56.519 --> 00:36:57.840
near you at some point.

738
00:36:58.280 --> 00:37:01.320
Nice. Any other last words you want to share with

739
00:37:01.360 --> 00:37:02.519
the listeners.

740
00:37:05.039 --> 00:37:07.679
Thanks for listening to me yapp for a while. I

741
00:37:07.719 --> 00:37:09.920
appreciate being here. If you're a fan of the band,

742
00:37:09.960 --> 00:37:12.400
thank you for sticking around and be impatient with us

743
00:37:12.440 --> 00:37:14.199
while we're you know, it's been a while since you

744
00:37:14.199 --> 00:37:18.719
put up some music and uh, you know, stay true

745
00:37:18.719 --> 00:37:20.800
to yourself. Don't let anybody tell you what to do.

746
00:37:21.559 --> 00:37:24.800
Who cares that, and stick with the program.

747
00:37:24.960 --> 00:37:28.039
Stick with the program. Stick with the program, no doubt.

748
00:37:28.360 --> 00:37:31.039
And it is it is. It was worth the wait.

749
00:37:31.519 --> 00:37:33.559
So everybody, definitely you have to get the album one

750
00:37:33.599 --> 00:37:36.800
of Drops because it is definitely worth the wait. It

751
00:37:36.880 --> 00:37:40.639
is the program for your life, So get the album.

752
00:37:40.920 --> 00:37:43.199
Thanks a lot for making us great music and thanks

753
00:37:43.239 --> 00:37:44.679
for being on the Adventures pipe Man.

754
00:37:44.960 --> 00:37:49.239
Thanks for having me. Thank you, Thank you for listening

755
00:37:49.440 --> 00:37:54.920
to the Adventures of Pipe Man on w for CUI

756
00:37:55.480 --> 00:37:56.400
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