April 9, 2024

PipemanRadio Interviews ATER About Release of Somber

Meaning of ATER: Ater – Latin adjective

- Dull black (as opposed to niger, shining black); dark
- 2. Gloomy, sad, dismal, unlucky  
ATER is an enigmatic band that was born in Santiago, Chile in 2010, out of the mind of Fernando Bühring...

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Meaning of ATER: Ater – Latin adjective

  1. Dull black (as opposed to niger, shining black); dark
  2. 2. Gloomy, sad, dismal, unlucky
ATER is an enigmatic band that was born in Santiago, Chile in 2010, out of the mind of Fernando Bühring @fernando.ater. Originally named ¨Aeons Collide¨ to later be re-named ¨ATER¨ in 2013. The original lineup featured drummer Matias Acuña, currently of Follakzoid and guitarist Yeray Santos. ATER went on to become an international band lead by founding member, Chilean multi-instrumentalist Fernando ¨Feroz¨ Bühring.

With a new lineup and a new vision, Fernando leads the composing process of a new album titled ¨SOMBER¨, combining sounds from Black and Death Metal to Progressive and Heavy Meshuggah-inspired syncopated grooves. Pushing the boundaries of the instrumentation by bringing the tuning down to low earth-shattering frequencies, all topped with demented-sounding low growl vocals, reminiscent of bands like Septicflesh, Hate and Belphegor, plus the heavy ambience and clean sections that became ATER´s signature with the first album ¨EGS¨(for short).

SOMBER was recorded during the Covid Pandemic and was mixed by Feroz in a temporary studio in Mexico City where he was hiding during restricted times. The album was then mastered by none other than Ted Jensen of Sterling Sound (Mastodon, Gojira, Korn)

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your host, the white Man.
This is the pipe Man here on the

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Adventures pipe Man W four c Y
Radio. And I'm here with our next

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guest. Who we're in like I
wouldn't say neighboring because it's not that close,

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but we're kind of in neighboring Latin
countries because I'm in Costa Rica right

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now, and if I'm correct,
he's in Chile right now, and uh

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so, but I know we're not
that close because he's like hours ahead of

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me. But we don't have any
time zone change here. But more importantly,

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his music is badass and his band
is badass. So let's welcome to

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the show. Fernando from a Tar. Hey, thank you very much for

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having with the show pipe Man.
Oh my pleasure. So question, what's

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the weather like in Chile right now? I know we're going into fall,

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so the days are finally getting more
gray and or chiley. I get tired

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of the summer quite quick actually,
to be honest with you. See that's

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interesting because you know, you talk
to different people throughout the world. They

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have different viewpoints on things like weather. You know. So we in the

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United States, at least where I'm
from in New Jersey, like this summer

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is so short that we're bummed out
when it's over. We spend the rest

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of the year, can't wait for
summer to start again. Yeah, no,

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I totally get that. It depends
where you're from. I guess what

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you're used to, that's right.
So my question then, is is do

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you think that affects how you write
music in your opinion? That's a hard

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question to answer because I've wrote music
all over the map, to be honest

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with you, and especially for this
album, I was in different places for

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almost every song. Wow. Yeah, I did a couple two of the

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songs of the new album We're done
here in Santiago while I was visiting.

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I was living in California at that
time, so many of them are done

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in California and during different times of
the year to winter or summer. But

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I do think there is some some
influence there. It does affect a bit

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on how you're predisposed to write music, you know, and my preference is

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usually colder, colder weather. And
so what makes you prefer the colder weather?

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You know, because everybody is different. Some prefer the hot, some

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prefer the colder, some don't care
at all. What makes you prefer the

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colder? All right? I just
I feel I can be more active when

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it's cold. Like when it's too
hot, I feel overwhelmed by the heat

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and it's like I'm feel lazy.
I'm just I feel like I'm melting all

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the time. And when it's cold, and when it's cold, I feel

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more productive. I feel like I'm
able to do stuff without getting some tired

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so quick. You know, I
agree with that. And perfect example of

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that is, you know, it's
known in the northeastern United States, like

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places like New York, New Jersey, Pennsylvania, Connectut, all those states

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that during the winter, everybody's hustling, you know, and it's like,

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because it's cold out, there's two
things. One, you're not distracted by

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other things you could be doing.
Two, it does get your blood pumping.

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Like when it's hot out, it's
like ugh, you don't even feel

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like doing anything exactly exactly now.
On the other hand, there's also the

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moods like you know, like in
New Jersey at least when it gets gray

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in the winter, it gets kind
of depressing, you know, post when

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you go out in the sunlight and
it's kind of invigorating. So I think

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all these things play a role,
especially in metal type music. Well,

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you know that plays a role in
the music itself, because I think the

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tone of the music kind of can
match those type of feelings and weather patterns

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that go along with those feelings.
I definitely agree one hundred percent with that.

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Yeah, I think the colder weather
makes it just sot easier. It

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like set you up for these colder
feelings and pouring them out into music.

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It is easier definitely when it's cold. Now Somber was recorded during COVID correct

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right and bring the lockdown. So
I've been saying, you know that if

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you're going to take a positive out
of a pandemic for the music industry,

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because it really kind of sucked for
the music industry, But if you're gonna

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pull positive out of it is I
think artist got a chance to jump off

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that hamster wheel of like having no
time to be creative and they're just on

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the go, go go, that
we were able to slow down and and

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I think some of the best music
ever is going to come out of that

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pandemic because it's like old school you
could sit down and create and really take

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your time to make the song what
you want to be. Did you find

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that I agree with that, although
our situation was different and it wasn't like

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the best scenario to just sit down
and make music. We were struggling with

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our personal and financial lives not a
bit, but I see what you're saying

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with other bests that were a bit
more established and were they were able to

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continue to just write music without the
time constraints of oh, I have to

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go on tour in like two months
or whatever. And some really amazing music

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has been coming out and it shows. But on our side, you know,

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two of our members that's me and
Josh, we will have to like

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move out of California and you know, looking for economic opportunities, so that

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it just delayed the whole process.
You know, we want it originally somewhere

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to be out like by the end
of twenty twenty one actually or around that

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time, maybe the beginning of twenty
twenty two. And here we are,

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you know, first half of twenty
twenty four getting ready to release it,

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and that, you know, that
answers that because here we are, twenty

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twenty four releasing it and it's kind
of like there this and the fact that

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it's called somber even that that says
something about the whole process of even making

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this album in my opinion. Yeah, yeah, So what for people that

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have never heard your music before,
how would you describe this new music,

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you know, to to where they
can get a feel of what the music's

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all about without necessarily I hate like
labeling genres. I'd like to hear when

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artists thinks of their music, how
they describe their music. Yeah, well,

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without going too much into labels,
I would describe it as probably one

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of the heaviest releases of of the
recent years, and very atmospheric, very

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dense, and very very somber,
you know, just like the title is

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actually just based on the sound,
on the overall sound of the album we

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picked, We picked it, and
then we developed the sound even further with

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the title. But I think it's
very somber, not necessarily depressing, but

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it's it's like a somber view on
the world and the reflection of that inside

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oneself, you know. Yeah,
well that's I mean, listen, that's

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real to me, and I think
music should be real and we are experiencing

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that in the world, and I
think music should reflect that. And now,

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of course I would say the new
lineup too, has created like even

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more of a vision of how your
music should be. Is that correct?

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Absolutely correct? Yeah. When when
they learned the new lineup came up together,

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we were discussing ideas of how to
present the man live and esthetically,

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as well as as many other aspects. But immediately we realized, oh,

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we're on the same page here,
like we all want to die the same

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stuff. And that's I think why
the package ended up being sort of cohesive,

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you know. And what we worked
on for the first first video that

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we presented ignis immortalis h I think
a lot a lot of that hard work

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to them because we we all agreed
on what we wanted to do and was

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awesome. That's so important too,
Like, because I've been around a lot

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of bands, like especially in the
beginning, and they're just not on the

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same page a lot of times,
and they may make great music, but

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that's when it doesn't last. It
doesn't have that long lasting. I think

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it's so important to be all on
the same page. Now that doesn't mean

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you don't have different influences, you
don't have different likes and dislikes, but

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you can work as a cohesive team
to make a finished product that everybody likes.

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Definitely. Yeah, I think it's
key, you know, to have

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everyone in the in the boat sort
of like push it to the same you

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know, on the same on the
same direction, because otherwise it's just so

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hard to to get anything accomplished.
Really, things take longer. And when

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you have the energy of three people
that are pushing towards the same thing,

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yeah, it's way better. Oh, no doubt about it. And so

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tell me, is there one moment
in your life that that's when you knew

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one hundred percent this is what you
wanted to do. Yeah, for sure,

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it was very early on, to
be honest, this is like I

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never had it pretty much. I
never had any doubts that I wanted to

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be a full time musician. And
and then I'm being a looser step and

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now I'm like kind of like shooting
for my music career. But I think

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it was when I was about eight
years old and my mom had one of

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his like happy old friends come home
to visit, and he sat down on

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my little brother's like like kids size
drum set and he destroyed it, basically

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like play play at all primal,
I believe John the Fisherman or something like

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that. And I was like blown
away, and I was immediately hooked on

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Primuss and hooked on on music and
drunking and everything. I knew then that's

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what I need to be doing for
forever. You know, I knew that

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I wasn't about eight years old when
that happened. Wow, I love it.

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See I love hearing stuff like that
because I think that is when it

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starts, when you're like young and
you first get exposed to music, and

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like, I've had experiences along the
way that you know, only other people

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like us could understand. You know. It's like it's even the thing when

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I talked to people even though I
went to high school with and they're like,

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yeah, I used to like metal, And my answer is, well,

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then you never liked metal, you
know, there's not a used to

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like maybe it was your fad for
a little while, but you know,

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I think it's something that's like kind
of ingrained in you. And I mean

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music is the best therapy out there. I know. During the pandemic,

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I kept telling people, I don't
care if somebody gets on stage, some

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kid with a recorder, if it's
a live show, I need to go,

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you know, because I think there's
just something about diving into music,

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especially heavy music, that gets you
kind of like in this zone. And

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a lot of people think it's depressing, but it's the exact opposite. Yeah,

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I one hundred percent agree, because
I'm also obviously a huge metal fan

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and like some of my favorite bands
and albums have actually helped me pull out

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there some very dark moments in my
life. Yeah, and I totally relate

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to what you're saying, And yeah, I think it's wrong when people judge

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it saying yeah, I don't know, that's depressing or that's aggressive or whatever.

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You know, Like I understand that, but when you actually give it

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a chance, it might stir up
those darker feelings than you But that's also

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helping you kind of like chewing them
up and like processing them, you know,

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and they're not looking there anymore,
so it helps you release it.

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That's how I see it. That's
why I look at the mosh pit.

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Man, it's a healthy way to
get aggression and stops you from you know,

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kicking somebody's ass out on the street, you know, and you're having

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fun while at it, you know, releasing a lot. It's great,

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no in camaraderie, Like that's one
thing. People that have never been to

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a metal show don't realize the family
and the camaraderie and there are no outcasts

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there. And I think that in
and of itself is great therapy. And

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I think a lot of people that
don't understand they really don't listen to the

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lyrics. Maybe they can't make out
the lyrics or you know that when you

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really understand the lyrics of a lot
of songs, it's what people think it

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is on face value. Absolutely,
that's so correct. Yeah, it gets

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a lot of judgment. But just
like you said, metal is is like

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a big old family and people are
very you know, friendly and polite one

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to another for the most part.
And that's a worldwide thing. You will

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see the same traits in metal heads
here in Chile as well as in Brazil,

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as well as in Germany and everywhere
where I've been and been to a

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metal show has been the same experience. And I laly yep, I do

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too. So now how do our
listeners join your family and connect with you

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on socials, on the web,
get the new music, check out merge,

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tour day. It's all that good
stuff. Sweet. Yeah, so

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yeah, please keep an eye out
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album coming out April nineteenth. Obviously, you can find us on Instagram is

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where we are most active, and
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then on YouTube we have a lot
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us there at at their Metal.
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it. We'll pop on there and
what else. We have our brand new

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website after dot cl very short url
there and yeah, that's about it.

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We are about to announce a tour
in Latin American countries, so keep an

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eye off for that. That's that's
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our family. I love it,
and I love that your album's dropping on

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April nineteenth because that's my oldest daughter's
birthday. You're like the second interview in

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a week that something was dropping on
her birthday. So that's pretty cool.

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That's great, awesome, So any
final words you want to leave our listeners

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with that we haven't covered already that
you want them to know about the band

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and your music and anything that's upcoming. Yeah, I keep an eye off

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for tours and please go watch our
latest music videos. We put a lot

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of hard worry into them. And
thanks for tuning in and please check us

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out well. Thank you for making
us great music and thanks for being on

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the Adventures of Pipe Man. I
love it. Thank you, Pipeman,

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I appreciate it. Thank you for
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w for CUI Radio.