PipemanRadio Interviews Fear of Water About Systemic feat Aaron Nordstrom of Gemini Syndrome

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who is some badass new music.
And I have to say, like,

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it's pretty incredible. I'm always like
in awe and you guys are gonna

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laugh, but he's like a one
man band. Okay, but he's going

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to talk about the type of one
man band because it's not what you think.

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And you know, you know,
it's amazing. I'm always in awe

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of people that can do this without
like nine people, you know, or

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without a whole bunch of people and
just make such incredible full music. And

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so I'd like to welcome to the
show Dave from Fear of Water. How

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are you? I'm good man,
how are you? Thank you for having

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me? Oh I'm doing great,
and uh yeah, let's start off right

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there from the one man band thing, because uh, you know, we

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were talking off the air and you
were saying something and I was thinking it

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as I was saying it, and
this picture of my say, when you

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say one man band, a lot
of people think like the guy the like

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busker on the street corner with like
an accordion and a kick drum on his

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back and symbols between his legs and
a harmonica in his mouth, and he's

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doing everything simultaneously. You know,
it's not even close to that, but

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it's it is when you look at
the industry in my genre and you think

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about the number of like multiple member
bands who are each kind of you know,

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specifically focused on their individual instrument and
their craft, all making music together,

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versus how many Trent Reznor, Dave
Grohl, Clint Lowry types, Wolfgang

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van Halen types are out there.
And the thing is is that like with

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those four people that I mentioned,
they they're like super well established and they're

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they're you know, Wolfy is literal
like hard rock royalty, and all these

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guys are incredibly talented and have like
a career behind them and an established band

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and a label. So I'm like
coming at it from their perspective without any

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of the benefit of like a famous
family or coming from a famous band.

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But I have that skill set where
I've just I've literally dedicated my entire life

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to becoming just doing everything I can
to master my craft out of many instruments

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and the process of recording and production
as possible. There will always be people

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better than me, and I've definitely
found through navigating one of the many pitfalls

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of being in a creative endeavor is
keeping your ego in check. And you

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know, jealousy and inferiority complexes certainly
plague many people in any artistic endeavor,

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and a lot of it has to
do with the fact that, like,

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if you want to live off of
what you're doing, you have to like

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put yourself out there and that comes
with judgment, that comes with an inevitable

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level of like comparison, either certainly
from potential fans and consumers. There you

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know, there's no one out there
that's like, I like every band ever,

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right you have you're attracted certain things, and then once you find a

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genre like, Okay, I like
hard rock music, You're still probably not

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gonna like every single hard rock band, And then when you narrow it down

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to even like fifty bands, you're
still gonna have like your top ten or

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whatever. So like to enter that
space. As an unknown like I am,

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I can't help but have a certain
degree of I need to compare myself

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to my peers. But thankfully I've
been of the mindset my entire life of

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like there's always going to be people
better than me. And it's also worth

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noting that like talent is unfortunately not
I'm not gonna say the most important thing,

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but it's certainly not a make or
break. I know some incredibly talented

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people who will never leave their basement
or will never find any sort of commercial

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success. And frankly, there are
some incredibly popular bands that are have a

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average level of talent, but they
well in other areas in terms of like

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having a commercially viable product and image
and label support and everything. So you

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know, it's I've I've seeing people
who are more talented than me just inspires

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me. Every time I go to
a show. As soon as I leave

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that show, I want to go
home and pick up a guitar because,

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like fuck man, I am energized
and inspired by the way so to be

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like playing in the same sandbox as
like when you look at the SMR top

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fifty. For the last fourteen weeks, my one of my current singles,

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Codependent Parasites featuring Elia Soriano of Non
Point has been charting for almost four months,

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and it started at like number forty
eight, and it every single week

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has climbed up, up, up, up, up up up, And

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last week it hit number ten and
I'm literally up there with Shine Down,

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Popper, Roach, Bad Wolves,
Foo Fighters, Nickelback, Metallica, Blank

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twenty two. All of these huge
bands with huge fan bases, all have

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major label support, all are on
octane. And then there's this like guy

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you've never heard of out of Texas
who's making music all by himself and is

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now doing it with like known,
you know, established, relevant featured performers,

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And that is really this. You
know, I've been doing this really

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my entire life, but the last
couple of years have really been dedicated to

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this strategy of continuing to be this
one man band, and that that is

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like my brand. It's a big
point of differentiation for me, and it

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is like what I want to be
known for. But every song I'm doing,

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have been doing, and will be
doing the foreseeable future, will be,

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you know, no album releases.
It's all going to be individual singles

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trying to cover as much of a
range within rock music as possible while still

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being you know, completely identifiable as
Fear of Water music. But every single

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song is going to have a featured
performer, and I'm also going to really

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strive to have quite the variety of
featured performers as well, ranging from the

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mellow electronic side of rock to the
rip your face off metal. I've already

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been working with men and women.
I want to work with the older generation

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of music and these new upcoming bands. I find myself kind of in the

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sweet spot in the middle there,
and it's been really exciting, man.

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Like, it's really cool to see
how people have responded. And when I

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say people, I mean like people
on streaming sites. Codependent Parasites has you

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know, across the streaming sites almost
a million combined streams. It debuted on

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Octane in December. Like I said, it's been charting on FM stations across

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the country, getting hundreds of radio
plays every week, a huge social media

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response to it. The non point
community has really embraced it. Again for

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a guy that you may have never
heard of before, and I'm okay with

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that, Like, I get that
that doesn't challenge me. I'm not like,

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you know, you're fucking loss that
you don't like I get that you

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don't know me. I don't have
the apparatus behind me to ensure that you

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know who I am, and I'm
keeping a positive mentality about that that there

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this it's like my journey is kind
of proving that there is still a pulse

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in running through the veins of independent
music and artists. There's still an opportunity

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to break through without the conventional structure
behind you. It's not easy. I

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can't stress enough how much I've been
grinding it out to get to this point,

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and I still have so much work
to do and so much to accomplish.

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But if you told me even five
years ago that we would be sitting

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here right now having this conversation about
the success of my recent music and knowing

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the music that I have coming out
on the horizon, I would not believe

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you at all. So it's even
what can happen in one year? You

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and I were talking off the air
about this, But in twenty twenty two,

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I went out on tour with Nothing
More, and Nothing More was opening

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up for the headliner. In this
moment, the band that was opening up

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for Nothing More was this little known
English group of guys called sleep Token,

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and they shared a tour bus with
us, They shared a trailer with us.

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You know, they had like a
five song set. It was totally

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bare bones. You know, it
was early enough in the set that like

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not even half the people who were
coming that night were at the show.

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And one year later, they are
selling out their North American tour in minutes.

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You know, They're headlining Radio City, Music Hall and Red Rocks and

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I think they had they beat Metallica
last year in terms of streams like the

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passes growing and most popular bands on
the planet, and that happened in one

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year. So it's very easy to
fall into the trap, especially someone like

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me who's like I'm going to say
later in life. Once your past year

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like twenties, you start getting this
feeling like, oh I missed it,

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Like I missed the train. It's
like you have to get a ton of

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the bands that I like now have
guys who are in their forties and fifties,

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but they've also been doing it for
they've aged into those eras, but

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started in their twenties. So like, once I got out of my twenties,

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I was kind of like fuck,
I didn't make it like I need

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just time to go get a desk
job. And it's been really encouraging to

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see that there's just still this possibility
that it's this sounds cliche, but it

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really is never too late. It
just matters how you're you're ready to evolve

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and go with the flow and roll
with the punches. Yeah, man,

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it's it's It's been an interesting journey
so far, and I I feel like

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I'm on the precipice of some really
incredible shit. I just don't know exactly

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what it is, but I'm very
open to whatever the universe throws at me.

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See. That's way cool. And
one thing I've noticed about today,

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okay, as somebody who is old
school, you know, and like,

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I do coverage at all these festivals
and conference and concerts now, and what

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I'm always in awe of is all
these kids and teenagers that are there to

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see bands like Metallica and Slip not
like people that are my age, you

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know, Like because I remember I
was at Metallica's first show ever, and

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you would never have a fifty some
odd year old at a Metallica show back

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then in the eighties. Okay,
yeah, but and even like on that.

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The flip side of that is that
I was so blown away that I

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want to say it's either Master Yeah, Master of Upets. Master of Puppets

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re entered the charts, the radio
charts decades after that album came out because

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of its placements on Stranger Things,
And this whole generation is like Metallica,

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I've never Oh, are these guys
new? It's insane how the ubiquity of

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other forms of entertainment now can completely
revitalize art from the past. But also

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that also means that I could create
this enormous boon for artists who would otherwise

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never be on someone's radar. So
like, there's there's something very exciting about

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that. And Metallica is a great
example of how it's become this like multi

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generational. I mean, they're the
biggest metal band in the world. But

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it's just it is really cool how
something like that is not defined by a

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decade and a generation. And I
want to see more of that moving forward,

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for sure, And it blows my
mind. Or the biggest in the

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world because I saw him when there
were twenty five of us in the club,

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you know, it was like who
knew? And evening with Dave,

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Dave Mustain and Cliff. Oh well, you want to know a story about

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that. It was actually before Cliff. It was with Ron mcgoverney. It

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was with Ron mcgoverney. And I'm
at this show and this dude gets off

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the stage and he just comes over
and starts talking to me and he hands

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me his business card and there was
no such thing as thrash metal yet,

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that term had not come about yet. Yes, the business card says Metallica

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power metal, because they were power
mental for a minute, I had business

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cards. That's great, Dave Mustaine. It was Dave Mustaine handing me his

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business card. Fu. Yeah,
man, Like it's just and then like

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yesterday, Okay, so there's a
bunch of festivals I cover here in the

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US and UK and Europe, and
two the festivals had announcements yesterday that I

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do and I was fucking blown away, Like I again, it's the news

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of the world right now that Slayer
is rewriting. Okay. I was at

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their first show ever too, and
they're my favorite band in the world,

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and it's like I couldn't believe,
Like these dudes are my age a little

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older, and the whole world is
flipping out that they're going to be playing

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at riot Fest and Louder than Life. It's like, it blows my mind

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that you would think dudes in this
stage of life could command that or look

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at Ozzy like kids still love Ozzy. I had Ozzie's Blizzard of Oz on

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eight track tape. Hell yeah,
man, I think that there's something very

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encouraging about that, especially during a
time because if I was a pests,

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I would come back at you and
be like, are you aware of the

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state of music on TikTok and people
are making literally forty five second long songs

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ow to work the algorithm, Like, it's cool to know that what we're

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talking about is very much so encountering
force to the dumbing down of art as

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well. That's exciting to me.
I can't believe you brought that up because

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it kind of blows my mind.
Like I was even talking to somebody a

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few months ago about how they have
changed how songwriting is done because of the

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attention span of half a goldfish that
people have now, So instead of the

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old school of have an intro and
then a verse, then a chorus and

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a second verse and a bridge solo, third verse, chorus. Now it's

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like they eliminate the bridge, eliminate
the solo, eliminate the intro, two

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versus one chorus. That's it.
And I'm like, man, that's not

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musicianship, that's just a form me
a lot. It's like I called you

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an algebraic equation instead of music,
and the reality is just to be Devil's

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advocate is that the formula works in
terms of if you want to if you

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want to achieve certain metrics, the
formula works both with artists. You have

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like the Nickelback effect where there's videos
out there there that literally takes the three

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song files of I'm gonna forget the
names, but it's like how you remind

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me someday and something else and layers
them on top of each other and they

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they're literally the same song in terms
of right intro verse one chorus where the

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solo is. It's the same key, it's the same bpm. You can

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do that with the vast majority of
number one country songs every year for the

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last fifteen years. Like, it
literally works. And that's interesting that you

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bring that up because I'm I'm at
this interesting threshold where like, let me

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start this by saying that there's a
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I don't listen to that and be
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so just out of principle, I'm
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lot of as long as it's like
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good product and it's doing what it's
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capable of enjoying it. And there
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That being said, I hold myself
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because I've been this one man band
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My metric for success or at least
satisfaction has been I, personally, Dave

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Perry, need to love this fucking
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much so that I could listen to
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it as an instrumental and get a
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everything else past that is just icing
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is there one other person who can
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or connect lyrically to what I'm talking
about in the song. That's amazing If

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commercial success comes from that, incredible
but that's like not my focus. And

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while it's interesting how those worlds come
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and the next guy that I'm working
with have all worked with like awesome bands

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and all have many number one hits
signed, you know, penned to their

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name, which means I have many
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formula with the guys, the fucking
magicians who are like they And it's not

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just the it's not just like structure, it's literal like melodic choices. It's

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let's use these plugins, let's use
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want to sound like bring Me the
Horizon, you can go to the bring

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Me the Horizon guy and he'll you
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Bring Me the Horizon song as possible. I am very specifically not on that

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path to the point of having like
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with, and that's part of like
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process. I want someone to challenge
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my creative vision because I'm trying to
find that sweet spot of being undeniably fear

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of water and maintaining what I view
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artistic integrity, but still having something
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It's great if other people like enjoy
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like, if you ask me to
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say, and this is this is
overgeneralizing, but like if Periphery made three

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and a half minute long songs that
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musicianship that like a guitar player listens
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man, like anything any part,
I want any musician who plays any

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instrument to listen to my song and
get kind of that like stank face of

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like oh shit, that was like
a sick riff as opposed to so many

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of those bands out there that are
very well recorded and produced. But it's

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literally three chord rock and that's not
me. So you will hear and more

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so, you've heard systemic like it
right off the back. It has these

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like orchestral, weird syncopated elements to
it that you are just not getting in

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other music. I'm bringing a lot
of progressive metal and rock elements into what

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I'm doing, but positioning it in
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minute way. You know, if
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there's variations and almost everything, like
almost every course and every verse is going

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to have some sort of there is
no like copy and paste aspect of what

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I'm doing, and that's really important
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everything past that is it will be
refined to be, you know, like

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it can it be shorter? Can
it be more succinct? Is there a

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better hook that we can do?
But at its core, it's really important

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to me that it is. I'm
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blame artists who do you get a
certain creative output for it. It's entirely

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possible that I will suffer commercially career
wise for that, But I'm prioritizing my

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individuality and my points of differentiation,
my own creative satisfaction over trying to sound

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exactly like bring me the Horizon.
I'm not saying that I'm better than these

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other bands, but it is really
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So that's kind of something I offer
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like I'm telling you that I'm trying
to give you something unique and different within

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a very well and oversaturated category of
music. And I love all of what

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you said in many for many reasons. Number one, because I am old

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school. I'm from the day of
the gatekeepers, and I thought it was

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such fucking bullshit to be blunt.
Like I remember the first club show I

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ever went to was Motley Crue before
they were a hair band, when they

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were horror punk at the Roxy,
before they had an album. And then

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I went to Slayer and all my
friends are like, you got burn all

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your Motley Cruese shit, you know, because you can't listen to Slayer and

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Motley Crue, and you know,
and you had to be like if you

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were a Slayer, you had to
be Slayer, if you had to be

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if you were there, whatever you
were, you had to stick with that

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and nobody let you out of that. It's just like listen when Metallica did

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the Black album, me and those
other twenty four people that were their diehard

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fans are like, fuck, those
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They sold out, okay, and
it was stupid because they're still one of

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my favorite bands this day. You
also read my mind because another one of

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my favorite bands is Bring Me the
Horizon. And one of the things about

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Bring Me a Horizon that they have
done and they've caught a lot of shit

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for, is they just make the
music now that they want to make and

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they don't give a crap what anybody
says. And when Ali was interviewed,

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he's like, why do I want
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again? I get that if you're
an artist, that's got to be boring

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as shit if you're making the same
song over and over again. So the

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whole point is you experire. That's
what a musician is. You experiment.

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When I was younger, I played
drums, I played guitar. I sucked

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at both. I also sang thresh
mellow. I probably sucked at all three.

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But my dad when I would be
experimenting on the guitar because I wanted

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to make like cool sounds, and
he's like, you give that up,

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you suck, and I'm like,
you don't get it. I'm not trying

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to sound like anybody else. I'm
trying to create a sound and create something

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different. And that that's why I
think you're doing And I gotta tell you

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you have all these cool guest appearances
on your songs, and I think that

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adds to that because they're all different. So that means every song is gonna

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be kind of different if you're bringing
another element in which, by way,

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the picture behind me the new song
systemic. I have a question for you.

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The whole time we've been sitting here
talking, I didn't think about why

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I saw it before, but I'm
looking at it, okay, and I'm

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going, hmm, is that Aaron
that is standing me? They are in

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the picture. No, so this
is the first time I've told this story,

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and I'm confident that he would not
mind me talking about this. So

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so no, that's not that's just
that's purely an illustration. I work with

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this guy, Ryan Barrier. This
guy actually like grew up with Corey Taylor

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in the suburbs of Des Moines and
has close slipknot ties and is very active

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in both the photography world and graphic
design world. Him and I got paired

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up and he's done a lot of
my photo shoots and has designed all of

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my cover art for like the last
several songs. Really love working with him,

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so he created this thing. He's
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When I can work with someone who
is a master of the craft and

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I can, I would like to
think that I'm pretty good with words and

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articulating myself and I and I know
what I'm not good at, so like

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I'm definitely I'm fucking terrible at design. But if I have a vision in

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my head, I am able to
articulate it succinctly and in a very descriptive

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as well, and answer your questions
and give like actionable feedback. And when

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I work with someone who's able to
be like got it, Like I'm gonna

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do exactly what you told me,
that's a there's a huge value to that,

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yes, and both the from a
sonic standpoint, all of the producers

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I've worked with have been really great
with that, and Ryan has been really

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great with that visually. So this
image is very much so reflective of what

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I wanted and we were able to
concept on that together. But that is

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a totally digital that's not a real
human. He did a really great job

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of putting that together this song.
When I wrote this song, I've been

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a Gemini Syndrome fan from the from
the first album. I'm very attracted to

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not only like good in my mind
good music, because good music good songwriting

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is good songwriting. On top of
that, if you do have some sort

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of unique point of differentiation, I'm
very attracted to that. I think part

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of the reason why I like bands. I'm a kid of the nineties,

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I like I love Smashing Pumpkins and
Eddie Vedder, Eddie Vedder or sorry Pearl

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Jam and Smash Pumpmins. Eddie Vedder
and Billy Corgan have very unique voices that

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are an acquired taste too many and
probably wouldn't sound super awesome if you took

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them out of the context of the
bands that they're known for, but they

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have this like unique flavor that I
really like. So anyways, I think

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Aarin very much So has a unique
flavor. Again, in an industry,

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especially in modern times, that you
have bands who are dying to sound exactly

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like bringing the Horizon because in their
mind it means success and acceptance within a

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category and a fan base, which
again no judgment, but not the path

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that I'm on. And I've always
felt that Aaron very much So has sonically

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not done that, and like,
if you haven't seen him before, he's

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just a very unique looking individual.
Well that's why I thought it was him,

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because of a suit even I believe, I don't want to talk out

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of school, but I believe he
is albino. So there's just a visual.

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He just looks unique, and he
sounds unique, and he's I think

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he's a musical savant. But anyways, when I was writing this song,

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before i'd even ever met Aaron,
I was envisioning Aaron in my mind for

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this song, and I was fortunate
enough to get introduced to him. I

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sent him the song. He really
liked it, but as he dove deeper

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into the lyrics, he's like,
A I'm gonna be honest with you,

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like, if we're going to be
in a creative endeavor together, I need

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to if I'm going to have my
name attached to this, I need to

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be at the very least okay with
it, let alone, you know,

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proud of it. And he is
a I would say, you know,

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everything I say from this point for
is just my opinion. I'm not like

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officially speaking for him. But he
is a spiritual guy. I would not

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subscribe that to any sort of established
religion or text or anything like that.

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But he is a spiritual being,
and the song specifically is about it was.

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I started writing the song the day
that Roe V. Wade was was

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overturned. And the song in and
of itself is not taking a political stance

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in terms of like a party affiliation, but it is very much so making

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a statement about the you know,
objective abuse of organized religion, specifically Christianity

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within our political system to put forth
an agenda that frankly targets and victimizes those

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who don't subscribe to your faith.
And when you have elected officials whose job

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it is to specifically like represent the
electorate everyone, like a Republican's job is

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to also represent the Democrats. They
were just the one that was elected.

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A movie becomes so partisan that it
has also become parts. It's become such

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a team sport that it's been about
like, not only am I not going

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to represent the opponents, I'm going
to fuck the opponents. And I think

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that regardless of your this should be
regardless of your faith. This is textbook

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like separation of church and state.
If you are using your faith and your

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religious doctrine to determine what fifty percent
of our population can and cannot do with

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their body again, regardless, I'm
not saying that Christianity is wrong. I'm

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saying, as it relates to our
country and our political system, that is

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by definition, by the founding Father's
intention, fucking wrong, and it is

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becoming more and more normalized, and
it's disgusting, and that is a This

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is a I mean, there are
many examples of this, but that is

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a monumental example of it. So
it's about using that religion as a weapon,

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which, by the way, is
maybe one of the least christ Like

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things that I can think. There's
so many layers of iron that are woven

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into the abuse of Christ's teachings to
ostracize and punish people who are not,

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you know, true believers and are
not on the same team as you.

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And you're basically subscribing Christianity as the
official religion of the United States, and

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you're saying, fuck separation of church
and state. I'm on a holy mission.

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I'm you know, it's I have
a problem with all of that.

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So with Aaron being a man of
faith, you know, he taught me

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about what his faith is rooted in, and it's more of it has like

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pagan roots in the idea of Christ
is actually more of like a universal concept

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and not specific to like Jesus Christ
and the Man of Christianity and the Son

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of the Christian God. And he's
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that as like, we literally went
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decided who would sing what, and
but we came from a place of like,

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I don't know if I'm comfortable with
this. And then once we actually

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like workshopped it a bit and we
had like really direct, frank conversations about

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the meaning of the song, he
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anyways, I'm all of that as
I'm saying that, like for him to

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be the literal cover of the album
would be a big step for him,

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because he started off with like,
I don't know if I'm comfortable with this

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song, and I've already had like
you know, the song's been out for

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a couple of weeks and it's gotten
a really good response. It's getting picked

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up by playlist, it's being sent
out to all of the FM stations that

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have been supporting Codependant parasites. So
we still hopefully we'll start getting airplay next

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week. Gotten overall a very good
response, but I've definitely already gotten an

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initial wave of complete strangers telling me
that I'm going to go to hell and

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this is clearly like the Devil's work
through this music, and that I you

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know, it's it's kind of proving
so point. Yeah, it's very very

406
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stupid. Again, if you want
to want to part this song, like

407
00:30:17.200 --> 00:30:21.279
key part of the song is that
the like what our country is based on,

408
00:30:21.400 --> 00:30:25.240
and what the men and women who
gave their lives to defend democracy and

409
00:30:25.680 --> 00:30:30.920
American values and everything. They fought
for your right to express yourself religiously and

410
00:30:30.920 --> 00:30:33.160
believe in your God, just as
much as they fought in my rights to

411
00:30:33.240 --> 00:30:40.519
believe and know God. Yeah,
and Founding Fathers. Escape that ship.

412
00:30:40.599 --> 00:30:48.279
That's literally escape that ship what that
literally faced death and just one made one

413
00:30:48.279 --> 00:30:52.119
of the most harrowing journeys a human
could make, you know, crossing the

414
00:30:52.200 --> 00:30:56.000
ocean and going into the amount of
the lengths that these people went through to

415
00:30:56.200 --> 00:31:02.240
escape not only religious persecution but religious
doctrine. In just the way that a

416
00:31:02.599 --> 00:31:07.319
community and a civilization is governed and
ran and evolved. As it's just the

417
00:31:07.359 --> 00:31:11.559
direction that we're taking. I'm not
saying that it doesn't happen on both sides,

418
00:31:11.559 --> 00:31:12.799
but it's a little bit more dominant
on one side than the other,

419
00:31:14.119 --> 00:31:19.640
and it should be rejected across the
board. And your faith absolutely has no

420
00:31:19.839 --> 00:31:26.480
place in making decisions about our entire
almost four hundred million population, which is

421
00:31:26.519 --> 00:31:30.640
inclusive of it could be fellow Christians, it could be Athists and exhaustis,

422
00:31:30.720 --> 00:31:36.279
it could be of religions that you
think are actually like apocryphal and in direct

423
00:31:36.400 --> 00:31:38.519
you know, spitting in the face
of your God because you have the right

424
00:31:38.519 --> 00:31:41.680
God, of course, and everyone
else is wrong. And even within Christianity

425
00:31:41.920 --> 00:31:45.920
there are sub sects who disagree with
each other. It's like, you guys

426
00:31:45.960 --> 00:31:48.200
can figure that out on your own. In the meantime, we're all living

427
00:31:48.200 --> 00:31:51.880
on the same set we all have
the same government, we're all living by

428
00:31:51.920 --> 00:31:56.759
the same set of laws. So
how fucking dare you spit on the intentions

429
00:31:56.799 --> 00:32:02.160
of the Constitution and our founding fathers
and just throwing away separation of church and

430
00:32:02.200 --> 00:32:08.160
state and basically making the proclamation of
we are a nation founded on Christianity,

431
00:32:08.160 --> 00:32:13.839
and of course our laws at everywhere
from the state to federal level should be

432
00:32:13.880 --> 00:32:19.559
based on Christian beliefs and teaching It's
like it's powerfully fucked up, and I

433
00:32:19.599 --> 00:32:24.039
felt very you know, political music
can be trite or purposely divisive, and

434
00:32:24.079 --> 00:32:28.440
this is not like fuck Republicans or
anything like that. This is a This

435
00:32:28.519 --> 00:32:31.480
is a universe. This is a
universal concept that I believe anyone who actually

436
00:32:31.519 --> 00:32:37.839
believes in. Yes, Yes,
it's an American ideal that I feel people

437
00:32:37.920 --> 00:32:42.480
should be on board with. So
have you heard Have you heard the newest,

438
00:32:42.519 --> 00:32:45.759
most ridiculous shit that I just saw
the other day that in the state

439
00:32:45.799 --> 00:32:52.640
of Texas there try and pass a
bill to get rid of all guidance counselors

440
00:32:52.640 --> 00:32:58.440
in school and replace them with chaplains
that you don't need any education to be

441
00:32:58.960 --> 00:33:02.440
a guidance count or they don't need
any anything, They just need to be

442
00:33:02.519 --> 00:33:07.880
a chaplain and like, so they're
gonna deal with these suicidal teens and teens

443
00:33:07.880 --> 00:33:13.960
that have all these issues and there
their solution is going to be to pray.

444
00:33:14.359 --> 00:33:17.240
I mean, like, come on, yeah, it's exact same.

445
00:33:17.400 --> 00:33:21.160
So I live in Austin, Texas, so I'm very acutely aware of these

446
00:33:21.200 --> 00:33:24.240
laws that are being pushed through.
There's also legislation that's already been improved,

447
00:33:24.240 --> 00:33:28.400
and it is moving forward in terms
of like having funding put to it that

448
00:33:28.680 --> 00:33:36.000
all public schools will have this like
designated statue of the Ten Commandments position,

449
00:33:36.079 --> 00:33:38.359
like there's going to be at this
uniform statue of it of the Christian Ten

450
00:33:38.400 --> 00:33:43.319
Commandments in front of all Texas public
schools. Like this is fucked. So

451
00:33:43.440 --> 00:33:45.599
like the super Bowl, this happened
the last couple of years too. But

452
00:33:45.640 --> 00:33:50.839
the the CEO of Hobby Lobby,
who is like a devout Christian so much

453
00:33:50.920 --> 00:33:54.400
so that it is reflected in his
company policies. Employees of Hobby Lobby are

454
00:33:54.440 --> 00:34:00.880
not like he somehow because of the
I'm I'm forgetting the name of the legislation.

455
00:34:00.960 --> 00:34:07.960
But within our lifetime this this federal
lag I put through that corporations are

456
00:34:07.159 --> 00:34:15.559
people, and is so the personal
beliefs of a corporation are federally protected,

457
00:34:15.599 --> 00:34:21.440
including the religious beliefs. So Hobby
Lobby is able to exclude any sort of

458
00:34:21.440 --> 00:34:25.280
birth control coverage from their healthcare plans
for their employees because it directly conflicts with

459
00:34:25.320 --> 00:34:30.760
their corporate religious beliefs, which is
so I believe it's the Citizen the Citizens

460
00:34:30.840 --> 00:34:37.320
United Act truly truly truly fucked.
Anyways, that guy puts in hundreds of

461
00:34:37.360 --> 00:34:42.599
millions of dollars for Christian advertising,
and in the Super Bowl this year,

462
00:34:42.679 --> 00:34:45.519
as with other years, they have
had like big epic spots which they've spent

463
00:34:45.760 --> 00:34:50.519
like tens of millions of dollars on. And there's two you know that basically

464
00:34:50.599 --> 00:34:52.880
it's like a recruitment ad. And
there's two things I want to point out

465
00:34:52.880 --> 00:34:58.159
about that. One, those tens
of millions of dollars, again from a

466
00:34:58.199 --> 00:35:04.480
christ like perspective, could have helped
so many people in need instead of thinking

467
00:35:05.000 --> 00:35:08.480
it's Christian like your christ, Like, why aren't you putting that money towards

468
00:35:08.519 --> 00:35:13.519
the poor homeless people that needs shelter? Yeah? Yeah. And then the

469
00:35:13.559 --> 00:35:19.239
second thing. The second thing is
is if uh so the punchline of that

470
00:35:19.400 --> 00:35:22.960
ad is Jesus wash his feet.
It was about being like, Jesus isn't

471
00:35:22.039 --> 00:35:25.920
raffle or whatever. If that exact
same commercial existed, but it was talking

472
00:35:25.920 --> 00:35:31.039
about Mohammad instead of Jesus. In
an air during the Super Bowl, people

473
00:35:31.079 --> 00:35:37.639
would lose their fucking mind that this
is, Oh, you're you're forcing through

474
00:35:37.639 --> 00:35:40.000
Sharia law And I can't believe that
my children saw this, And I was

475
00:35:40.039 --> 00:35:44.360
like, dude, are we all
in the same country right now, Like

476
00:35:44.400 --> 00:35:49.000
this is incredible to me. That's
why I'm in Costa Rica right now.

477
00:35:49.079 --> 00:35:53.760
Well, yeah, I have to
escape the madness over there, like when

478
00:35:53.800 --> 00:36:02.360
I'm on the off season, because
I live in Okay and it's I think,

479
00:36:02.440 --> 00:36:07.880
more insane than Texas right now,
you and you know here here's the

480
00:36:08.000 --> 00:36:14.840
latest. Okay, so parents in
Dade County where Miami is, I have

481
00:36:14.920 --> 00:36:20.639
to sign a permission slip to allow
an African American author's book to be read

482
00:36:20.639 --> 00:36:27.079
in class. Like what the fuck? Yep? Yeah, and again,

483
00:36:27.079 --> 00:36:30.519
I think it's very easy to conflate
a conversation like this. Uh uh.

484
00:36:30.000 --> 00:36:36.079
Maybe someone of devout Christian faith could
listen to this and immediately think that we

485
00:36:36.119 --> 00:36:40.280
are we are saying that they can't
be Christian or they I don't think I'm

486
00:36:40.320 --> 00:36:43.119
not. I don't want to speak
for you, but nothing. What I'm

487
00:36:43.159 --> 00:36:46.119
talking about is saying that like Christianity
should be banned or those people should not

488
00:36:46.159 --> 00:36:51.639
be able to talk about Christianity.
Do you think that's what Jesus was teaching

489
00:36:51.800 --> 00:36:54.639
or meant. I mean he was
a rabbi. Okay, so like come

490
00:36:54.719 --> 00:36:59.880
on, and this is these are
teachings, not to have Christianity or the

491
00:37:00.039 --> 00:37:06.920
bib. Well, these are teachings
out of Hitler's playbook that there are many

492
00:37:07.000 --> 00:37:10.480
objective things that you can point to
that verify what you just said. And

493
00:37:10.519 --> 00:37:15.039
it's become a political trope to be
like, oh, everyone, you know,

494
00:37:15.079 --> 00:37:16.599
if you don't like someone, you
call them a racist, and if

495
00:37:16.639 --> 00:37:20.519
oh, you know, Trump's immediately
a Nazi because he said X y Z.

496
00:37:20.679 --> 00:37:23.320
But there are like a literal objective
tactics that you can point to that

497
00:37:23.400 --> 00:37:31.000
were textbook moves by the Nazi Party
to establish dominance and then eventually let up

498
00:37:31.039 --> 00:37:37.280
to the Holocaust and doing things like
book bands and doing things like specific like

499
00:37:37.360 --> 00:37:43.719
doing like a Muslim travel band where
you're specifically saying the people of a specific

500
00:37:43.760 --> 00:37:47.880
faith are not allowed to come into
this country, or specifically identifying entire groups

501
00:37:47.920 --> 00:37:52.639
of people of a sexual orientation and
limiting their rights, what they can and

502
00:37:52.679 --> 00:37:55.519
cannot do, where they can and
cannot go, what they can and cannot

503
00:37:55.519 --> 00:38:00.000
be called, and then saying who
you can and cannot read and what cannot

504
00:38:00.039 --> 00:38:05.360
be taught in school is like,
these are all deeply problematic things that are

505
00:38:05.360 --> 00:38:10.199
being sold through to our country in
the name of patriotism and protecting our children.

506
00:38:10.440 --> 00:38:14.880
When if you just again you look
at the parallels between the tactics of

507
00:38:14.960 --> 00:38:20.119
dictatorships and fascist regimes, and again
I'm not prescribing this to a party,

508
00:38:20.159 --> 00:38:22.280
but if you just look at it's
happening in a certain area more than others,

509
00:38:22.519 --> 00:38:27.400
we should all universally have a problem
with this, and those two things

510
00:38:27.440 --> 00:38:30.800
can coexist. You can be a
devout Christian who loves the Lord and wants

511
00:38:30.800 --> 00:38:35.559
the best for everyone and not believe
in other religions and hate sins and all

512
00:38:35.599 --> 00:38:38.280
of that, and you can also
be a huge proponent of democracy that is

513
00:38:38.360 --> 00:38:43.639
representative of four hundred million people of
the melting pot that we are in the

514
00:38:43.679 --> 00:38:49.360
variety of backgrounds and immigrants and natives
alike. Those things can coexist. But

515
00:38:49.400 --> 00:38:52.239
we're getting further and further away by
treating all of this like a team sport.

516
00:38:52.800 --> 00:38:57.639
And how about we can just be
frickin human beings that care about other

517
00:38:57.719 --> 00:39:00.639
human beings, regardless of what they
believe, regardless of what they are,

518
00:39:00.840 --> 00:39:07.719
as long as they're not intentionally hurting
anybody. Then people should be individuals and

519
00:39:07.719 --> 00:39:12.360
be human beings and you should care
for them equally. Okay, totally agree,

520
00:39:13.039 --> 00:39:15.800
and that's why we need music.
That's why we need your music because

521
00:39:15.920 --> 00:39:22.039
music is the ultimate uniter in a
time now where we're so freaking divided.

522
00:39:22.840 --> 00:39:27.000
I go to a music festival with
one hundred thousand people and these these problems

523
00:39:27.079 --> 00:39:31.440
don't exist there because music is the
ultimate uniter and that that's what I love

524
00:39:31.480 --> 00:39:36.280
about. What you're doing in your
music is badass. And you know,

525
00:39:36.679 --> 00:39:40.960
I love that you're even uniting the
music community by bringing all these guests together.

526
00:39:42.159 --> 00:39:45.599
And like they're talking about, you
know, before the interview, we're

527
00:39:45.639 --> 00:39:51.760
talking about too, like one of
my favorite vocalists is good is doing a

528
00:39:51.800 --> 00:39:57.079
song with you, Heidi, And
you know, so it's just and these

529
00:39:57.079 --> 00:40:02.559
are people that you know, although
within the same genre, they're so fundamentally

530
00:40:02.639 --> 00:40:07.320
different. The people that you're working
with and their sound is so different.

531
00:40:07.719 --> 00:40:12.440
And to me, that's what makes
your music cool because you know, you're

532
00:40:12.440 --> 00:40:15.480
not writing the same song every time, number one, number two. There's

533
00:40:15.519 --> 00:40:22.159
a lot of diversity in the music
and musicianship. That's the key, going

534
00:40:22.199 --> 00:40:24.480
back to what we were saying earlier. To me, that's the key is

535
00:40:24.599 --> 00:40:30.960
musicianship and people like you, quote
unquote one man band That's what I've always

536
00:40:30.000 --> 00:40:36.239
found is that's where you find out
the true musicianship. And also when you're

537
00:40:36.280 --> 00:40:40.199
bringing these other people like there's no
ego involved, Like you mentioned Gorole earlier.

538
00:40:42.159 --> 00:40:47.280
Okay, Gorole had no ego about
Taylor Hawkins being drummer, Okay as

539
00:40:47.400 --> 00:40:52.039
one example, you know, and
he has no ego to begin with.

540
00:40:52.079 --> 00:40:54.039
He's like one of the coolest dudes
in rock and roll, you know.

541
00:40:54.639 --> 00:40:59.199
And we need more of that,
not just in music, but just in

542
00:40:59.320 --> 00:41:02.280
America in general and people, you
know, you want to make America great

543
00:41:02.320 --> 00:41:07.679
again, make people actually give a
shit and the zero fucks given attitude.

544
00:41:08.280 --> 00:41:13.519
I really can't stand like you should
give a shit. You should you should

545
00:41:13.599 --> 00:41:16.119
about other people, You should give
a fuck, and you shouldn't be such

546
00:41:16.159 --> 00:41:20.519
an asshole. And that, you
know. That's why I learned here in

547
00:41:20.559 --> 00:41:23.400
Costa Rica, their thing is pure
a beta. It doesn't matter what you

548
00:41:23.519 --> 00:41:29.000
believe, what you think. Everybody
is nice to you, gracious to you,

549
00:41:29.599 --> 00:41:32.159
help you all this stuff. And
I'm in a third world country.

550
00:41:32.199 --> 00:41:38.039
But let yet the leading country in
the free world is acting like Nazi Germany.

551
00:41:38.599 --> 00:41:40.840
I was. I definitely wanted to
bring up that. So I've been

552
00:41:40.880 --> 00:41:44.320
I'm familiar with to pure beata've
been to Costa Rica, and the third

553
00:41:44.360 --> 00:41:50.239
world country thing is I wish it
was mandatory for all American young adults or

554
00:41:50.280 --> 00:41:57.280
adults to leave the country for two
weeks. When you it's very, very

555
00:41:57.360 --> 00:42:01.079
easy to be at a level of
ethnocentral where you just think the whole world

556
00:42:01.159 --> 00:42:06.880
is like America or wants to be
like America. And that's a bad trap

557
00:42:06.920 --> 00:42:10.679
to fall in. So that's coupled
with if you need to see abject poverty

558
00:42:10.719 --> 00:42:14.840
and suffering up close, you need
to go to a place like the Dominican

559
00:42:14.880 --> 00:42:20.280
Republic and see that there are these
billion dollars all inclusive resorts and literally writes

560
00:42:20.599 --> 00:42:25.599
outside of those gates with armed guards
is mounds of trash and people living in

561
00:42:25.760 --> 00:42:31.360
actual like shanty favelas and roaming packs
of dozens of dogs, and like these

562
00:42:31.440 --> 00:42:36.199
resorts throw out enough food to feed
the country every single day. Like you

563
00:42:36.239 --> 00:42:38.320
need to understand that that is the
dynamic of enormous portions of the world.

564
00:42:38.400 --> 00:42:43.440
You also need to understand and accept
that there are countries who are better than

565
00:42:43.440 --> 00:42:47.519
America in many metrics, in terms
of like their healthcare system or literacy or

566
00:42:47.599 --> 00:42:52.400
drug addiction or teen pregnancy or suicide
rate or whatever like, and that's a

567
00:42:52.440 --> 00:42:58.480
good thing we should aspire to learn
from them. And I've had that experience

568
00:42:58.519 --> 00:43:01.480
by a way, because I've had
two heart attack surfing, one in Hawaii,

569
00:43:01.880 --> 00:43:07.159
one in Costa Rica. The one
in Hawaii caused a second heart attack

570
00:43:07.199 --> 00:43:13.280
because the medical shit was shit.
They charged me four hundred thousand dollars Costa

571
00:43:13.360 --> 00:43:17.320
Rica. My insurance company would not
give them approval to do a procedure to

572
00:43:17.360 --> 00:43:22.400
save my life because it takes seventy
two hours of their bureauca and bureaucrack bullshit

573
00:43:22.719 --> 00:43:27.960
to approve the claim. So Costa
Rica put me in their social security system

574
00:43:28.000 --> 00:43:31.119
as if I was a citizen and
treated me one hundred percent for free.

575
00:43:31.440 --> 00:43:37.920
Yet we're talking about people that are
living like with death around them every day

576
00:43:37.960 --> 00:43:42.880
trying to come to our country,
and we're making a big fucking deal about

577
00:43:42.920 --> 00:43:45.719
them, like there's some criminals.
Yet I go to a country like this

578
00:43:46.239 --> 00:43:51.280
and they're gonna treat me one hundred
percent for free and I'm not a citizen.

579
00:43:51.760 --> 00:43:54.840
And I'll tell you to your point. You know, I grew up

580
00:43:54.880 --> 00:44:00.440
being my age. You know you're
told, oh, don't leave them America.

581
00:44:00.480 --> 00:44:04.000
It's scary out there. And I
remember the first time I went to

582
00:44:04.079 --> 00:44:07.119
Europe, I was like, what
the frick were they talking about? I

583
00:44:07.199 --> 00:44:12.960
felt more free over there than I
did at home, and I just looked

584
00:44:12.960 --> 00:44:16.599
like I call it the big lie
because like we're you know, and people

585
00:44:16.639 --> 00:44:22.400
of my generation and generations before never
did a lot of them, never did

586
00:44:22.480 --> 00:44:24.559
leave the country, so they don't
know. They only know what they're being

587
00:44:24.679 --> 00:44:29.599
told and what they're being fed.
But you're right, there's a lot of

588
00:44:29.599 --> 00:44:31.960
great countries out there. There's a
lot of great people out there, and

589
00:44:32.000 --> 00:44:37.320
it's usually the ones like that have
the ultra poor people that are living the

590
00:44:37.320 --> 00:44:43.360
way you were describing that are the
nicest, most gracious, welcoming people anywhere.

591
00:44:44.039 --> 00:44:46.280
Yep. Absolutely, that's there's so
much that we should learn from and

592
00:44:46.280 --> 00:44:51.559
emulate and aspire to from the vast
majority of the rest of the world.

593
00:44:51.559 --> 00:44:53.320
And we can still be like the
coolest, best country, but we can

594
00:44:53.360 --> 00:44:57.840
actually hold ourselves to a higher standard. And again, if if you want

595
00:44:57.880 --> 00:45:00.360
to look at this through a religious
lens, like that would be the christ

596
00:45:00.480 --> 00:45:04.039
Like thing to do is take care
of your neighbors and your community who are

597
00:45:04.039 --> 00:45:07.400
able to help each other and those
more neither. There literally is like a

598
00:45:07.440 --> 00:45:10.760
trickle down component of this when you
take care of your population and you don't

599
00:45:10.800 --> 00:45:16.840
privatize the most essential things that people
need to live. Like, no one

600
00:45:16.880 --> 00:45:22.679
in this country should die because of
very treatable medical conditions, And it just

601
00:45:22.679 --> 00:45:24.880
comes down to, well, you
don't have money, it's you're you're gonna

602
00:45:24.880 --> 00:45:30.000
just be uncomfortable until you die.
Now, Like that's criminal, Yeah,

603
00:45:30.000 --> 00:45:32.559
it's it's it's wild man, that's
crazy. That's crazy, dude. Heart

604
00:45:32.559 --> 00:45:36.679
attacks while surfing, Like, were
you cognizant of while you were surfing that?

605
00:45:36.800 --> 00:45:39.440
Like? No, So what happened
was the first heart attack? I

606
00:45:39.800 --> 00:45:45.840
brought my son and his family away. I was surfing that an hour later,

607
00:45:46.000 --> 00:45:49.920
I had like this little tinge in
my arm. I didn't think anything

608
00:45:49.960 --> 00:45:52.719
of it. I thought it was
just from paddling. Turned out add a

609
00:45:52.760 --> 00:45:55.639
heart attack. They put a stent
in. The idiots put in a stent

610
00:45:55.719 --> 00:46:00.239
wrong. So during the year of
recovery that you have, I never knew.

611
00:46:00.280 --> 00:46:05.119
The doctors never knew because they don't
give a shit and they don't look.

612
00:46:05.639 --> 00:46:09.320
And the stent was floating out into
my main artery and healing over so

613
00:46:09.440 --> 00:46:14.559
my cardiologists. For god, dude, yeah, the cardiologists released me.

614
00:46:14.599 --> 00:46:16.320
He goes, okay, you're good. I decided to celebrate. I go

615
00:46:16.360 --> 00:46:22.519
to Costa Rica. I go surfing, and at first I felt this feeling

616
00:46:22.559 --> 00:46:25.800
from like my head all the way
down, like this weird feeling. I

617
00:46:25.880 --> 00:46:30.360
just thought I was tired, you
know, a year of recovery. I

618
00:46:30.440 --> 00:46:32.719
wasn't used to it, you know, and it's paddling and stuff. So

619
00:46:32.800 --> 00:46:37.960
I surfed probably like three four waves
while having a heart attack. Didn't know

620
00:46:37.000 --> 00:46:42.480
it. The fifth wave had the
massive heart attack on top of the wave,

621
00:46:43.239 --> 00:46:49.119
and I got back to shore and
like twenty tikos and ticos for listeners,

622
00:46:49.119 --> 00:46:52.239
that's what they're called here in Costa
Rica ran over to help me,

623
00:46:52.719 --> 00:46:55.599
called the ambulance, got me food, got me water. If this happened

624
00:46:55.639 --> 00:47:00.400
in Florida, people have stepped on
me and kept going okay, And and

625
00:47:00.440 --> 00:47:06.880
then just the way they treated me
from beginning to end was just like I

626
00:47:06.920 --> 00:47:10.920
love these people, you know,
they're like the most amazing people. And

627
00:47:12.079 --> 00:47:15.679
it's a shame we can't learn from
them, because now even the people I

628
00:47:15.760 --> 00:47:20.599
used to like in Florida I think
are Pos's because I don't know that they've

629
00:47:20.639 --> 00:47:25.159
gone insane, they've just like gone
over the edge. And it just blows

630
00:47:25.199 --> 00:47:30.280
my mind. The people I think
that would least likely be that are the

631
00:47:30.320 --> 00:47:36.519
ones that are the worst. Yeah, lows my mind. And like the

632
00:47:36.599 --> 00:47:42.079
fact is is that first doctor caused
me to heart attack in the second doctor

633
00:47:42.719 --> 00:47:46.199
for the second time, and you
know what, they just cared about another

634
00:47:46.280 --> 00:47:50.639
human being, so they made sure
they saved my life without a red tape

635
00:47:51.239 --> 00:47:55.239
bottoms incredible. That's incredible. Yeah, man, I'm very happy for you

636
00:47:55.360 --> 00:48:00.880
that the decency of others and that
that that's a part of culture and that

637
00:48:00.960 --> 00:48:04.360
you benefited in a literal life saving
way. It's I'm I'm happy to hear

638
00:48:04.400 --> 00:48:07.679
that. And if I never left
the US, like you're saying, I

639
00:48:07.679 --> 00:48:09.880
would never know that. I would
never think that. You know, you

640
00:48:09.960 --> 00:48:15.880
hear stories about like you hear stories
about stuff here, and it's like I

641
00:48:15.960 --> 00:48:21.320
wive I would believed those stories and
never known. So to your and to

642
00:48:21.400 --> 00:48:28.079
your point, I recommend every American
has to go visit somewhere else outside the

643
00:48:28.199 --> 00:48:31.079
US and not at a resort,
not at a resort, yeah, and

644
00:48:31.239 --> 00:48:36.280
get into the culture. Yeah,
yeah, yeah, exactly. You know,

645
00:48:36.360 --> 00:48:40.280
I went to I went to Cuba
two weeks after the border the travel

646
00:48:40.280 --> 00:48:44.599
restriction was lifted, you know,
several years ago. I think that was

647
00:48:44.599 --> 00:48:49.119
coming out of Obama's administration, and
yeah, you know that was forbidden fruit

648
00:48:49.239 --> 00:48:52.960
for my parents' generation, their entire
life. And it's right there. It's

649
00:48:52.960 --> 00:48:58.199
a ten minute flight from Miami,
and it's fascinating. Like going there was

650
00:48:58.320 --> 00:49:01.519
incredible. It's like stepping into a
time capsule. And again you see this

651
00:49:01.639 --> 00:49:07.079
like abject poverty. You see you
can see it's physically represented the government corruption,

652
00:49:07.920 --> 00:49:12.199
the way that they're essentially it's a
really dumb it down pocketing tax dollars

653
00:49:12.199 --> 00:49:15.480
and it's clearly not being put back
into the city. Havanas is this really

654
00:49:15.519 --> 00:49:22.199
interesting pocketed mess up. You'll have
this like couple of houses together, like

655
00:49:22.280 --> 00:49:25.519
duplex type things that are you know, they're clearly old, but they're well

656
00:49:25.559 --> 00:49:29.719
maintained and they're vibrant and they're full
of music and dancing, and like literally

657
00:49:29.800 --> 00:49:34.360
right next to that will be totally
collapsed rubble of their neighbors houses that hasn't

658
00:49:34.400 --> 00:49:37.719
been addressed in years or decades.
All of the cars. You hear this

659
00:49:37.760 --> 00:49:42.360
as a stereotype, but this is
a absolute truth. Ninety eight percent of

660
00:49:42.360 --> 00:49:46.599
the cars are all classic, incredible
things that you would see in like a

661
00:49:46.679 --> 00:49:52.679
James Dean movie, because that's the
last batch of cars that they were able

662
00:49:52.719 --> 00:49:55.639
to get from America before these embargoes
were put on, and they've just kept

663
00:49:55.719 --> 00:49:59.239
on like updating. You get in
these cars and they have like window air

664
00:49:59.280 --> 00:50:02.400
conditioners zip tied to the bottom of
that, and like they've just basically used

665
00:50:02.679 --> 00:50:07.519
kept those cars alive for decades.
And it's so cool to like walk down

666
00:50:07.519 --> 00:50:13.239
the streets of these classic Cadillacs and
corvettes. And but these people are in

667
00:50:13.880 --> 00:50:19.760
object poverty and they were so excited
to be to welcome Americans back into their

668
00:50:19.800 --> 00:50:22.000
country, and they took really good
care of us. They were very appreciative

669
00:50:22.039 --> 00:50:27.880
of our business. And again there
was like they those people have much more

670
00:50:27.920 --> 00:50:32.159
reason to hate us than we do
them, and they showed us nothing but

671
00:50:32.440 --> 00:50:37.360
love and generosity and welcoming us into
their homes and sharing their culture with us.

672
00:50:37.400 --> 00:50:39.159
It's like we need to do the
same, Like we need to be

673
00:50:39.159 --> 00:50:45.320
better arbiters of civilization and better stewards
of humanity in this country. And I

674
00:50:45.320 --> 00:50:49.960
think I think that can start or
should start with art and hopefully gets reflected,

675
00:50:50.440 --> 00:50:54.199
you know, throughout other facets of
civilization. But we're not in a

676
00:50:54.199 --> 00:50:58.559
good place. Man, It's not
things are not going well in that regard.

677
00:50:58.599 --> 00:51:00.760
It's it's unfortunate, it's concerned.
It's kind of scary, and it's

678
00:51:00.800 --> 00:51:05.159
kind of scary that people are buying
into it. Is what's scary, you

679
00:51:05.199 --> 00:51:08.039
know, It's like, oh,
but that's why we need music. We

680
00:51:08.119 --> 00:51:14.480
need we need voices like you,
talent like you. And I want to

681
00:51:14.480 --> 00:51:20.199
add one last thing before we go
too, is I am absolutely in awe

682
00:51:20.239 --> 00:51:22.639
of you because I'm also a motivational
speaker, so I'm a big believer in

683
00:51:23.320 --> 00:51:29.599
nothing can stop you from achieving your
dreams. And I'll know that the listeners

684
00:51:29.719 --> 00:51:37.320
noticed. But you were continue you're
clinically deaf, you were born clinically deaf,

685
00:51:37.360 --> 00:51:42.000
and yet you're making great music.
So I think that's also a message

686
00:51:42.000 --> 00:51:45.760
everybody needs to know, is like, just follow your dreams and forget the

687
00:51:45.840 --> 00:51:51.760
excuses that are there or the excuses
that other people give you. Just do

688
00:51:52.280 --> 00:51:54.400
If you have the passion and do
what you want to do, then just

689
00:51:54.599 --> 00:52:00.599
do it. Absolutely. Yeah,
my suffering has made me more empathetic to

690
00:52:00.679 --> 00:52:04.480
other people suffering instead of using it
as a crutch and being like, woe

691
00:52:04.559 --> 00:52:07.719
is me, I wasn't dealt the
same hand as everyone else, So that

692
00:52:07.760 --> 00:52:09.679
means I got fucked over. So
I'm going to pass the book and take

693
00:52:09.719 --> 00:52:14.760
that out on other people and feel
entitled to whatever. Like, every hardship

694
00:52:14.800 --> 00:52:17.400
that I've faced in life has made
me more empathetic and in tune with the

695
00:52:17.400 --> 00:52:22.239
needs of others. And there's always
like, suffering is absolutely subjective. There's

696
00:52:22.280 --> 00:52:24.119
always going to be in someone in
a worse position than you, and probably

697
00:52:24.119 --> 00:52:28.599
someone that you can help directly,
even if it's just treating them like a

698
00:52:28.639 --> 00:52:31.559
decent fucking human being, even if
they believe something completely different than you,

699
00:52:31.760 --> 00:52:35.519
even if you don't like them as
a human Like, there's still you can

700
00:52:35.559 --> 00:52:39.880
disagree with someone and still treat them
with respect and decency. And Yeah,

701
00:52:40.199 --> 00:52:45.920
if starting with the way that I
started my life and still even now dealing

702
00:52:45.440 --> 00:52:52.679
like entering a very oversaturated, complicated, convoluted industry with no label support and

703
00:52:52.800 --> 00:52:58.880
just you know, believing in myself
persevering being a good human like that is

704
00:52:58.920 --> 00:53:02.320
a huge part of this. Yeah, I've formed really good, genuine relationships

705
00:53:02.360 --> 00:53:06.960
and like people vouch for me,
and people trust me because like I invested

706
00:53:07.119 --> 00:53:13.119
in like frankly like friendships and strong
professional bonds that when you add the music

707
00:53:13.280 --> 00:53:16.400
on top of that, the business
acumen and the just integrity as a man

708
00:53:16.880 --> 00:53:22.119
on top of that, like have
led to very fruitful outcomes despite this being

709
00:53:22.480 --> 00:53:25.840
totally unconventional because I'm not an established
band. I don't have a record label,

710
00:53:25.880 --> 00:53:30.840
I don't have contacts at radio stations, I don't have this enormous social

711
00:53:30.880 --> 00:53:35.320
media following. It's to your point, if I, if I can do

712
00:53:35.400 --> 00:53:40.440
this, so can anyone else.
If you're facing currently things that feel insurmountable,

713
00:53:40.440 --> 00:53:45.320
I assure you not to invalidate that
feeling. I'm sure use that feeling,

714
00:53:45.679 --> 00:53:50.800
Reposition that feeling, put that fire
into your belly and overcome. And

715
00:53:50.840 --> 00:53:52.679
then once you get there, don't
close the door behind you. Help others

716
00:53:53.239 --> 00:53:57.159
there. It is. I love
it. Tell everybody how the can connect

717
00:53:57.199 --> 00:54:00.800
to you, guys and you on
this on social else, how I can

718
00:54:00.840 --> 00:54:06.000
get your music all that good stuff. Sure aver every major streaming and download

719
00:54:06.000 --> 00:54:09.239
platform you can find, you can
stream and download Fear of water. That's

720
00:54:09.320 --> 00:54:13.599
fear of water. It's not you
won't find me by my name Dave Perry.

721
00:54:13.840 --> 00:54:16.000
It's fear of Water. And then
also on all major social media sites

722
00:54:16.440 --> 00:54:21.079
you can find fear of Water.
I'm very like something I'm actually really adamant

723
00:54:21.079 --> 00:54:22.639
about. And maybe I'll hit a
point where this is not sustainable, but

724
00:54:22.679 --> 00:54:27.719
like I respond to every single message, I talk to every single comment,

725
00:54:27.880 --> 00:54:30.840
like I am truly social about social
media. I am here to actually build

726
00:54:30.880 --> 00:54:37.320
a community of like minded people of
whom which I am appreciative that they're there

727
00:54:37.320 --> 00:54:39.000
for my music. So like,
come talk to me man, Like I'm

728
00:54:39.039 --> 00:54:42.559
happy to do podcasts, I'm happy
to talk to you in direct messages.

729
00:54:42.599 --> 00:54:45.840
I'm happy to engage in a comment
thread, even if you don't like what

730
00:54:45.880 --> 00:54:49.039
I'm doing, Like, let's talk. I am here to be connected,

731
00:54:49.280 --> 00:54:52.239
build a community. Music is all
about coming together with people. I have

732
00:54:52.800 --> 00:54:57.599
a lot of collaborations that are available
to listen to and stuff coming up,

733
00:54:57.639 --> 00:55:01.880
including on Tuesday, the twenty seventh, One Day featuring Heidi Shepherd, A

734
00:55:01.920 --> 00:55:07.400
Butcher Babies is a I'm obviously biased, but I think it's a very powerful

735
00:55:07.639 --> 00:55:15.239
ballad that showcases Heidi's incredible range.
There is a power and an intimacy to

736
00:55:15.280 --> 00:55:19.320
her voice on this song. That
you just really haven't heard in other areas

737
00:55:19.320 --> 00:55:22.119
before, and she has elevated the
emotional currency of this song to be to

738
00:55:22.159 --> 00:55:27.960
reach its full potential. And I'm
truly excited to share that with everyone.

739
00:55:28.039 --> 00:55:31.079
And you know, you know,
request Fear of Water to your local radio

740
00:55:31.079 --> 00:55:35.320
station. Let Octane know that you
want more Fear of Water. Whatever you

741
00:55:35.320 --> 00:55:37.239
can do, add Fear of Water
songs to your playlist for someone, as

742
00:55:37.239 --> 00:55:42.159
an independent artist at my level,
all of those small things, any one

743
00:55:42.199 --> 00:55:44.800
off thing that you do on social
media or streaming site or with your local

744
00:55:44.880 --> 00:55:47.760
rock station, actually really fucking matters. And I appreciate it. Well,

745
00:55:47.920 --> 00:55:54.440
we appreciate you forgiving us this great
music. And you actually do qualify app

746
00:55:54.599 --> 00:56:01.679
after like over three thousand interviews of
probably of my longest, but that's because

747
00:56:01.760 --> 00:56:07.519
of a reason, because not only
do you have great talent, but you're

748
00:56:07.599 --> 00:56:10.719
a great human being and your voice
needs to be heard. And I thank

749
00:56:10.760 --> 00:56:14.920
you for being on the Adventures of
Pipe Man. I appreciate that. Man.

750
00:56:15.079 --> 00:56:17.519
I'd love to talk again sometime.
You got it, all right,

751
00:56:17.599 --> 00:56:22.639
Jude, have ever go on.
Thank you for listening to the Adventures of

752
00:56:22.840 --> 00:56:28.400
Pipe Main. I'm w for CUI
Radio