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Aftershock 2025 Draws Record-Breaking Crowd Of Over 164,000 Fans, The Largest In The Festival’s History

The West Coast’s Ultimate Rock, Punk & Metal Destination 115+ Bands • 4 Unforgettable Days • Fans From Every Corner of the Globe

Danny Wimmer Presents’ record-breaking 2025 festival season concluded October 2–5 with the largest Aftershock in history — drawing over 164,000 fans from all 50 states and more than 30 countries to Sacramento’s Discovery Park, generating an estimated $35 million in local economic impact.

The West Coast’s biggest rock, punk, and metal festival reached new heights in 2025.

Debuting in 2025, Aftershock introduced several new fan-favorite experiences that elevated the festival weekend to new heights. The Capitol Club offered an all-inclusive oasis with premium amenities and elevated views of the main stage, while Tremors Dive Bar kept the energy high with a pop-up set by DJ Rock Feed with surprise guests My Darkest Days, and a special Sunday takeover by Sacramento’s own The Jungle Bird. Fans also discovered spontaneous performances at Beatbox and a blink-and-you’ll-miss-it speakeasy hidden beneath the underpass — each adding to the sense of discovery and excitement that defined this year’s festival.

To celebrate DWP’s cultural and economic impact to the region, Sacramento Mayor Kevin McCarty, Senator Angelique Ashby, and Assemblymember Maggy Krell honored Danny Wimmer Presents with official recognitions from the City of Sacramento, the California State Senate, and the California State Assembly. The proclamation and resolutions celebrate Aftershock’s decade-long legacy, recognizing its profound cultural, economic, and charitable contributions to the Sacramento community and beyond, and highlighting how the festival has firmly established the city as a premier destination for live music in California.

The 2026 dates for Aftershock will be announced in the coming months along with early bird tickets, allowing fans to lock-in lower level pricing and maximum payment plan options. Fans are encouraged to stay tuned to the festival’s official social media channels and AftershockFestival.com.

In addition to music performances, this year’s edition of Aftershock featured various partner onsite activations, award-winning beverages and delectable eats from partners including Animal Place, Astral Tequila, Beatbox Beverages, Black Shades, Blackcraft, Body Art Express, California Army National Guard, Coors Light, Don Julio, Eargasm, Freak On a Leash, Fxck Cancer, Golden State Cider, Hyatt Vacation Club, Jack Daniel's, Jeffree Star Cosmetics, Little Rocker Clothing, Mortus Viventi, Nowhere Fast, Parlor Root Beer, Red Bull, Sierra Nevada, Strüng, Take Me Home, The Pretty Cult, Tito's Handmade Vodka, To Write Love on Her Arms, Topo Chico Hard Seltzer, and Waterloo Sparkling Water.

Aftershock is proud to partner with Visit Sacramento and is produced by Los Angeles-based Danny Wimmer Presents, one of the largest independent producers of destination music festivals in America.

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Hey you love unto Yes, that's true. Wow, crare you.

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This is pipe Man here on the Adventures pipe Man

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W fourcy Radio, and I'm here with.

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Craig Lo Cicero and Chris Kantos now Forbidden.

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Here at Aftershock.

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And I don't know if you remember, but we did

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a remote like in twenty three when the First reformed.

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Okay, yeah, do we.

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Do a like an online interview thing?

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Yeah? Yeah, yeah yeah yeah right on yeah.

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So yeah, I first want to talk about your patch

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of that, like I noticed on your vest you cancer

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fuck cancer man.

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So that was really cool.

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We've all been affected by people that we know and

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love that have had to battle it and most lose

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the battle, some win the battle, some to live to

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fight another day. Well yeah, this particular patch came from

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our good friend Scott Chavez, who had a really bad

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version of a spinal cancer down at the bottom and

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he managed to get it all out and he beat it.

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Wow. Yeah, that's great. It's always good to hear those stories.

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Like, there's plenty of not good stories, so I love

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to hear the good stories. So, now that's been a

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couple of years and you're here Aftershock, how does it

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feel doing this again and making new music and playing

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live all the time.

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It's really cool for me coming into the band, knowing

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the band forever, knowing Craig forever, and then getting you know,

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getting a shot to be part of that legacy is

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really special and super cool to be involved in shit

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like this. Thrash metal will never fucking die. It refuses

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to die. You can't kick that horse enough. And it's

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just great to be out playing the reception. But still

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it still shocks us a little bit where you know,

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I mean, we're like, whoa, They fucking are into it,

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you know, right on, and that's really cool playing tall

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the young kids. The amount of women that are in

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the scene now we came up in the Sausage Fast

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days and now that gate is just smashed down and

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it's so cool.

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I think some of the women are more badass.

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More badass than the fucking guys, right, They're way more

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committed and sometimes just way more intense about it, and

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that's beautiful to see.

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That's a whole other subject and it's absolutely true.

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It's definitely the turning of the key, as they say, right,

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you know. The flip side of the coin is women

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have become a more dominant in a lot of ways,

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and men still are fighting for their little dominance like children.

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I know, right, like powerful women rule. We both have

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powerful We're both with powerful women, so we fucking know.

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And I have a shirt that my door bought me.

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She said, you can't scare me. I have free daughters.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah, no, Chris, Chris and I are lifers.

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We've been with our women for you. He's up coming

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up on forty. And while we were teenagers. We were

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both teenagers.

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I love hearing that because that's also rare in your industry,

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and rare are just in general.

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So man, testament to you guys shouldn't be that big

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a deal, should it.

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It shouldn't should be easy testament women, Yeah, I know exactly.

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It should be freaking easy.

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And you guys are my role models for that because

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I'm fucking divorced twice, the.

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Horrible role models. Bro don't do that, So you didn't

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talk about anything else.

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We do it, as you can tell. I am a

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thrashmallow head from way back.

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This is wow? Is that your high school one? Yeah?

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It started in eighty one. Slayer didn't even have a

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patch yet, so I did this. Yeah, yeah, Velvet Iron odds,

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the old Exodus logo. Yeah great, sure, Cryptic Slaughter, very

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nice excel. So you're a crossover guy, Oh yeah, totally.

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Venom patch dude, this is one of the old photo

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Venom patches.

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Right, it's right now by experience that Chronos would not

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be happy that he's being shopped in half.

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I don't. I think it's funny.

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And look at that what's left of the Metallica path.

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Dude, that's the Jumping the Fire one right.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah, it's so fike.

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You gotta got a little repeat down there and Jumping

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the fire too.

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Yeah, I got it all over wow.

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Right, But so what happened to is like my I

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grew up in Jersey and my dad in nineteen eighty

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moved me to LA and I went.

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To Slayers first show. Went from Riot to Slayer I know, right.

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Riot was a great band, man, and I went to Metallica.

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The best bad album covers you'll ever see. Oh yeah,

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they are, that's worst.

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Oh you know what's funny too that I have that

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one on vinyl.

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Amazing record, dude.

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Not many people know about that band, and it's a shape.

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I just watched their set.

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I just watched their set last night from Hell's Heroes.

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Nice.

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Yeah, their most recent set.

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Oh I love that. I love that. Yeah, that's your background.

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Let me say how privilege you should feel that I

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passed up going.

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Over there to sit with you and man earlier.

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Though, I wasn't so nice because I was heading over

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to your set and then I had to sit down

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with Exodus, So like everybody screwing me over to.

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Well, evidently we're passing it up to so we're all

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in this together.

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There you go.

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But I like that it's the background for your interview,

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like it could be.

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Worth it's my it's my boy, Paul, And I'll just

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say that, what's great. I'm gonna I'm just gonna blow

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your mind. So everyone's got origin stories, right, Yeah, So

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Paul's origin story is like it's sorted and forbidden because

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he took over for his cousin. But the first time

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I saw him play drums ever, he was in a

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cover band playing. I went to a hall in Niles

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and he was wearing red span X with no shirt on,

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playing Born to Be.

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Wild and singings wow and singing.

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Really, he's a heavy metal thunder like not a singer,

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but I could tell he was a fucking great rock drummer.

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He didn't wasn't the hip to the thrash metal at all.

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He was not hip to thrash metal till the day

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I played him Slayer basically, and there you go.

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But it's all funny.

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The full circle works right and total, and it doesn't.

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And what's so funny about it's like saying that somebody

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wasn't into it. Doesn't fucking matter. Your entury is your entury.

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Like we all hear something, you like it, you gravitate

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towards it.

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Like in those days it was the beginning.

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So yeah, it's great to see Paul and see him

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still out there fucking getting to deliver his dream, you

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know what I mean.

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It's fucking awesome.

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I love it.

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And it's so funny too that talking about origin stories.

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I was at that first Metallica show ever, and after

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it was over, I did I was like thirteen.

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He's talking about the first one up in New York

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or the first one in La oh okay in La

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thank you and comes off the stage and starts talking

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to me, hands me a business card and it said

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Metallica Power Metal.

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Dave mustain because there was no thrash genre.

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Yes, right, and then you Bay Area people that you

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stole Metallica from us, you stole Slayer from us, and

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then me and Mike bro had the hitchhike up to

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the Bay Area to go to shows because we were

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left with nothing.

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It's all about Cliff Burton, right, fuck you guys moved

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from LA, moved to the Bay But.

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It's truecause I was telling La.

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Let's see, I'm like, oh, this is badass until I

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went to the Bay Area. See, I'm like, oh my god, Yeah,

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now this is the real fun.

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There's just something here, something in the water, like a

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New York bagel, right right, It's just it's there's a

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pure proving ground here. We didn't if you sucked, you sucked,

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and you got booed and tee beet and coins thrown

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at you, and you collected the right data that night, right,

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go home and you fucking wood shed and come back

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a badass, or you fucking fade away. And you know,

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and we were just talking about this, like, yeah, the bar,

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the bar is on the ground now and back then

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the bar was way too high to get. So that's

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why you had so many young bands like Death Angel.

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Fucking Andy Gallion is eleven years old in Death Angel.

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Right back then, I didn't even know that.

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Yeah, dude, he's eleven.

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He drink a half a tall Boy and be smashed,

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like you drank a bottle of jack and and you

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had Paul Bayloff like exciting us all, you know, and

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like you had the fucking Slay Team right that would

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like go up on stage and turn your amp off

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and go.

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You're done, right.

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And what it did was it polished the scene. It

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it put everybody on bolster, like you gotta fucking kill it,

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you know. And that's how you end up with a

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technical ass band like Forbidden putting out two albums back

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to back in their teens and early twenties. Like the

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the table was set and you had to meet that.

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And that's special about the Bay Area.

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Dude.

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You can watch Murder in the front Row and you see.

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All those jerseys. Oh, it's like home movies to me.

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Yeah, it's like a bible that that documentary rules.

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I could watch it like every day, like it breaks

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movies that that Murder in the front Row.

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I was just talking.

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About cars original cartoon home movies.

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Oh yeah, I've I interviewed too, and then I was

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totally into Dark Angels, so I saw gene hell Fast

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interviewed him. I'm like, hey, you recognize that logo, but

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I was listening to your new music. I'm like, oh

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my fucking god, like it's almost better than ever and

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faster and and it's funny you were talking about album

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covers before, don't wind up singles. I look, if you

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look at the small album cover like on Apple or Spotify,

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I'm like, it looks like a Grateful Dead album. Like

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you know what I'm talking about. It like has this

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cool look to it, but well it's.

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A blue and the red skull, which we we made

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the mistake of veering off course for a while, not

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paying attention to what our fans really identify with, because

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a lot of bands missed the mark visually. It's not

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their fault, but they don't have something they stumbled across

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that's there, like Eddie, right, we had ours. So but

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every album cover you see of ours, and if you

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really look at it, it's full of symbolism on so

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many fucking levels that it's best not to explain it,

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because it's best if you just look at it.

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And really start figuring it out.

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And divided by zero has got so many things going

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on in that as you're probably talking about that one, yeah,

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and even the new one. There's something going on in

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both of the They're not just what they look like,

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they're what they represent on a lot of subliminal harmonic levels.

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Like there's just different pieces of what's the how did

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I put that earlier?

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Today?

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Like we're kind of dealing in the subconscious or on

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a collective conscious thing right now.

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It's a nice lane to be in.

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And you know what I love is like I always

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I'm in artists that can put out new music at

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this stage because you're not that teenager with the teenage

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angst or that speak for yourself. I know, right I am.

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I'll be in the pit after this interview. I gotta

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run out and go in the pit after this interview.

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But it's like, it amazes me that you can still

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write music that is relative and that the kids.

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That's the thing.

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The kids liking bands like Forbidden like blows my mind

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because when we were kids, I don't think we would

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have ever gone to see a sixty year old Metallica

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the type of thing, and that's what's cool today is

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like I've brought my kids into their first mash bit,

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and I've brought my grandkids into their first mash bit.

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Well, if you can get if you can get your

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old fans to come, that's great. But I've always said

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since I was a youth that fucking metal and rock

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is a youth movement, right, So you have to go

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there first, no matter how old you are.

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You have to be pushing.

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Your shit to them, no doubt.

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They keep it hot, they keep it on fire, and

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you have to be that fuel.

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Right.

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And so, like I was just you were saying about

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the teenage angst and everything, Dude, I'm still super fucking

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pissed off about a lot of fucking shit.

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We have a lot of shit to be pissed off about,

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right exactly.

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And then just life in general, right, like cancer, right,

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And like I come from the punk scene, a hardcore scene, right,

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so I don't have a lot of shock in all

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right now where we are in the world, right, I've

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been putting this where we are right now on album

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cover since I was fifteen years old. So don't come

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to me with the shock and awe. How did we

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get here? Well, motherfucker you've had blinders on right right,

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like wake the fuck up like that.

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It fucking amazes me that some songs from the eighties,

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all you would have to do is substitute names and

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the song is still relevant today, which fucking blows mind.

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You could do that from songs the eighteen eighties if

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you really go back that far. And it's it's just things. Obviously,

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taste change and everything like that. But just getting back

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to what you're saying about for us and the kids

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and all this, there is a philosophy we took into

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recording and the writing and everything that we're not going

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to overanalyze, nor are we going to overproduce. Everything's going

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to be on the edge and not too clean. And

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I think that there's a relating factor. That's why kids

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go back to the old shit. They might like new bands,

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but ask them if they're listening to Ex's new band

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over and over again, or if they're listening to Ex's

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old band or old album over and over again, right,

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because they're listening to the old album.

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Yeah.

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And it's not just because the songs, it's because the

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approach that was taken. It was on high wire. It

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was done without a net. Everything was fucking different were

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it was new. So you can record that way now,

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and we're doing that even in digitally. You can just

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lay your track and walk away, not lay your track.

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Fuck with the fuck with the fucking that make it perfect,

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Lay another shark, fuck with the fuck with the.

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Headphones.

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Yeah.

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You know something I something that scared the shit out

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of me when pro Tools came out. I went to

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watch my friend's band record and the engineer and the

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producer said, hey, guys, just play for vibe.

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We'll fix it after.

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And I'm sitting here thinking, poor Richie Vallens take sixty

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seven for La Bumba right, you know what I mean?

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Poor poor fucking everybody that recorded with Phil Spector with

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a gun to their head, you know what I mean.

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It's like, play the vibe, no play and do it.

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You know something that's cool about pro tools or whatever.

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It's like, sure, if you fucking scrub a roll and

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the engineer says you didn't intend to do that, let's

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fix that.

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Okay.

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Did you hear where I missed that kick drump pattern? Okay,

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but like to use it across the board as a

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total fucking fixed package. I think it strips life, it

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strips the audio painting off of.

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It, it strips musicians, shit.

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It takes it all away and it becomes homogenized.

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And if people want to do that, that's cool whatever.

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But for us, warts, bumps, scars, hair, crooked eye one

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foot longer than the other.

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All that shit's part of it, man.

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No doubt.

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And I what I love about thrash metal in particular

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is I see a lot of new bands today and

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they use like it. It's almost like an algebraic equation

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to create metal music. But you take all the fresh bands,

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there were similarities, but none of you sounded the same, like.

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You were all unique.

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We were talking about that you segued into a nice one.

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So we were talking about that, like every soda company

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doesn't just have one brand of soda, right right, And

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I think that Forbidden is absolutely a unique flavor amongst

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the flavors, and all of us are, but there are

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There was, and it went on for a long time

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and people that weren't really catching it when they were

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doing it, but there was a lot of like I

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think everyone was trying to kind of follow metallic version

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of how did they succeed? Well, maybe if we do.

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It like that, or produce it like that or like that,

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those days I hope are long on the other or

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with us.

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I don't want to sound an I don't ab but

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mixes with it for anything else. When somebody tells me,

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why don't you check it out with this, I'm like, oh, thanks.

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I want it to sound good to what I wanted

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to sound good to, no doubt, and it will sound

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like us in the end exactly, and that that transfer.

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That Wait, hold on, I'm not saying I don't listen

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to shit.

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I love new shit.

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What I don't do is go, maybe we could be

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a little more like that, right, I just won't.

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I won't ever catch myself doing that.

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And that's what makes you unique, because it's just like

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with me. It's like I don't listen to other radio

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shows because I don't want to pick anything up from there.

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I just want to be me and it's human nature.

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If you start listening this shit, you're gonna pick it up.

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Yeah.

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And I even realize it, and I would rather it

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be all me totally.

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I do this before we start writing or before we record,

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I will start listening to like Nigerian rock and saw

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some music and stuff, and if I'm gonna pick anything

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and drag anything to the session, I'm gonna bring it

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from there. Like I stopped listening to metal for that

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time period just because I don't want to fucking be all.

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Enamored with Mario from Gadjira and all of a sudden

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be going.

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The second times second right, you know, just cuz right,

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So it can it sings into you and you don't

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even know what's happening. Sometimes as a musician, you know

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it'll take your buddy going. You know, you just copped

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that right, and you're like, ah, look, so yeah, it's

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a distancing right total, which can be safe.

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It's a fine line of being aware of yourself and

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not being aware at all. Right, it's like riding a

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perfect wave, dude, Like, don't over listen, but don't not

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pay attention, but don't just try to find your lane

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and just kind of stay in it. And Forbidden's lane

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is always we move all around, you know, like so

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we have a little more wiggle room to try things.

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And another thing we did on this record that we're

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in the process of doing is recording a lot of

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songs tuned with the guitars that are standard e tuning

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because we did it in the past and it was heavy,

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it was cool, right, why can't we do it now?

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So we're doing some songs that way, and it's been

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a wonderful. Everything you heard if you heard us today,

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which you might have missed us, but everything you heard

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today was all standard tuning. Nobody knows the fucking difference.

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But it just feels more alive, right, And you don't

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know how to define it. You don't know how to like.

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You maybe can't put your finger on it. But something

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just seems more like it used to be.

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