PipemanRadio Interviews Hatred Reigns

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I'm very excited about our next interview
because man, they are some hill or

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musicians with some badass music you're gonna
have to check out. So let's welcome

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to his show, Hatred Rains.
How are you good? How are you

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doing good? You know, normal
South Florida weather chaos, but you know,

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could be worse, right, could
be having the first snowstorm of a

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year, Oh for sure. But
thank you for taking the time to bring

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us on your show. Hey always
you know, if it's good music,

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I want to promote it because listen, I come from a time where you

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know, hardly anybody knew what metal
was, and I love that word.

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In a time where so many people
do and where bands like you get to

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really get to be heard because your
musicianship is incredible. Can you tell me

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how this all started for you guys, like just your music. Each one

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of you probably has a different story, your musical journey that brought you to

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this point. So I'm Jeff,
the founding number of Hatred Rains. My

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journey starts back in the winter of
nineteen eighty nine, the honest our drummer

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brought me over to his house.
I played percussion and he said, man,

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come tick of the drum kit that
I got. So went over to

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his house. Sitting beside the drum
kit was a guitarist said, man,

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picked that up, and I'm glad
I did because it's changed my life ever

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since then. But also in the
spring of nineteen eighty nine, my brother

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went to see the Injustice for All
tour. Would not take me next morning

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because I was just a little thirteen
year old, little little torp, you

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know. Next morning woke up and
I saw Lady Justice and the Hammer Justice

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shirts, and I got to say, my reason for really playing music wasn't

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even the music. It was the
visual artwork by pus Ed that got me

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into it. Although my brother had
me listening to Cooper, Ozzy Osbourne and

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like the likes of Iron Maiden,
that definitely piqued my interest, but that's

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what really sparked my intersts and Neil
and I drummer for Hatred Raynes created music

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from the get go, from the
winter of nineteen eighty nine. Its inventing,

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creating stuff. So I've been playing
in many different form different bands with

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Neil off and on since then.
As for yourself, Mitch, what got

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you going? Uh? For me? I was born and raised in Saudi

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Arabia, so there was absolutely no
metal scene, nor was that music acceptable

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in any manner. So I was
exposed to LimeWire and bear Share and frost

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Wire and that's how I found all
these amazing bands. And then I just

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you know, taught myself how to
you know, just play music, really

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play guitar and overall production until I
moved to Canada to study. And then

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that's when I met members from like
the local scene, and then I started

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bands with them. And that's really
my story. So I love both your

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stories and for different reasons. Though, I love your story because I don't

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think people realize because today it's a
little different. Like I have interviewed a

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bunch of of you know, different
bands from parts to the Middle East where

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you couldn't really have a metal band, just like you're saying. And I

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think it's so cool that you actually
were able to get exposure because when you

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were talking about lime ire and stuff, I'm thinking myself, Man, how

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do you even have access to that? You know, I would think that

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would be banned because you know,
you can you know, put bands on

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what you can connect to on the
internet. And I'm sure that happens in

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your home country sometimes too, right. Oh. Absolutely, Luckily like there,

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it wasn't monitored that heavily, so
if you really wanted to find something,

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you could. But yeah, like
LimeWire, frost Wire, just torrents

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and stuff. That's how, really, how I was able to discover music.

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Yeah, I know Korea and other
parts of Asia, China they have

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major lockdowns that you're saying, so
there's limitations. So I bet you you

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experienced that. Indonesia too has since
there's a lot of places that different controls

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in place. Oh. You know, it's funny you mentioned Indonesia because I

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was just a Bali back in January
through March last in this year, and

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somebody introduced me as some band there. They were like amazing and they had

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this song. The song that was
played for me was Kuda Rock City,

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like a play on words of Detroit
Rock City. But you know, it's

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amazing that today maybe there's being a
little more openness and maybe there's a chance

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for you know, more artists throughout
the world in areas where it's so restrictive

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that maybe they get a chance to
be artists themselves, because I think music

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is one of the best therapies there
is, not only for the listener,

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but more importantly for the artists themselves. Absolutely, I think in every place

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in the world there's always going to
be a scene, but like you say,

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it depends on how well it's being
promoted or the risk that people are

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willing to take to get exposure,
because you know, certain people can be

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that the military or not the military, but the police and stuff like that

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can be not too friendly to people
who they frown upon certain genres of music

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and death metal metal for sure,
seems to get a lot of censorship,

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Like I remember as in Korea and
anything Cannibal corpsea haid in major censorship,

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like the packages were sealed and they
wouldn't let anything be visually promoted because of

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you know, the how could upset
people. So I'm sure you had that

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in Saudi, for sure. The
censorship is one thing. But in Saudi,

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whenever I heard there was an underground
scene there, whenever they threw a

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show, the last thing I heard
was that the promoters or and even like

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the performers got arrested. Yeah,
and that's the last thing I heard of

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them, or something happened to them
or something happened. Yeah. That is

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just it just it just said.
It's sad that music isn't isn't appreciated for

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what music is, because there's music
is so diverse, and like you said,

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it's it's something you can escape through. It can something you can be

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expressive with. And you know,
metal has its place in the world,

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and so many people frown upon it. They're just so quick to judge.

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Like, for instance, my mom, I let her listen to the video

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today. Her first song is Wow, it's really governor vocals like yeah.

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But it's always interesting how that's they
go to the vocals as first, but

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vocally it's a component as an instrument, as part of the music. It's

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not just we focused on the vocals. But that's the mainstream music influence on

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so many people, like classical music, doesn't have vocals in it, but

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you appreciate it for what it is. Music is gonna appeal to a different

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audience base. Every type of music
has a core fan base, or you

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just have the popular music scene that
you know, easy listening that's comforting and

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just you know, it connects to
people. I don't know music for me.

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One day, I'll be listening to
one source of music. Next day

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I'll be listening to something totally different
because I don't know how I'm feeling that

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day, right, And I agree
with what you said about how it goes

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together, because could you imagine like
a technical death metal band playing with the

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singer being somebody like Taylor Swift as
an example, It wouldn't go together.

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It's not who's talented or who's not
talented, it just it wouldn't go together.

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It would kind of be like eating, you know, chocolate covered liver

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or something like that. Well,
to me, I'm really super impressed with

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Mitch. Mitch's vocals. He actually
is not an original member. He was

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brought on as our engineer and to
help produce the album, and then subsequently

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our vocalist. He stepped down on
the band and Mitch stepped into the role

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because you want to see this through
to fruition, and really grateful that he

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did, because I think his vocals
really solidify the album, bring the music

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together cohesively. They're kind of like
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spectrum. They kind of the two
pieces of bread holding all the meat together.

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As you got the bass in the
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is the piece of is the vocals
if you ask me, yeah, man,

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there you go. And then you
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cool when you go from one side
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of the mixer board, because it
amazes me, as somebody that does a

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lot of airviews, how many musicians
know zero about sound quality, you know.

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So I think it just makes you
a better band to have somebody that

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is in the band but also is
an engineer type, a technical type that

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understands the sound part of it.
Yeah. Absolutely. Like I'm not I'm

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not renowned for my work by any
means, but from my experience seeing the

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bands that actually have members that bring
like a lot of assets outside of their

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own role playing the instrument to the
band, those are the bands that are

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actually have seen or going somewhere or
even have opportunities outside of just playing music

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or in their bands. So I'm
grateful for Jeff bringing me on board,

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and I'm also grateful for being able
to contribute what I can. Yeah.

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To me, Mitch really was instrumental
for seeing this through. Like he he

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knew that I had a passion for
in a vision for what I want to

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achieve. But without Mitch, I
really truly am grateful for his contributions to

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get to get the product that you
guys are hearing. Can it always be

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improved upon? Everything could be approved
upon? At some point you just got

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to say enough enough, we're there
this this, let's release this as is,

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because then you get into too you
know two under the microscope of just

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being too anal on it. But
to me, I'm really grateful for Mitch's

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contributions help the if the fans dig
what we're what we're releasing and sharing with

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the world. And I agree with
you because that's why I have my engineer

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edit my interviews, because if I
edited my interviews, I would take a

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fifteen man interview and probably take five
weeks to edit it. It couldn't be

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too much of a perfectionist on every
little part. Yeah, I definitely,

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I definitely need to be rained in
some days, but not a pun intended.

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But it does fun intended. But
I'm just saying being perfectionist is great,

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but same time you have to just
let someone else breathe and work with

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it. One thing I am also
proud of is that we've done a lot

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of this ourselves, Like even the
video, we shot most of the stuff

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ourselves, or even have my daughter
or we had a friend do it,

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but our drummer, he did a
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Either I might have done a rough
cut of the video, but he actually

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did the final release versions. And
like Mitch said, each member is bringing

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some talent to the project. So
it's kind of nice to say that we've

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done a lot of this release our
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I mean to many degrees. Yes, we've hired people to do art

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work, We've hired people to assist
us in other ways. Our good friend

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Darkmoton Productions were very very kind to
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his studio, So thank you very
much, Joe. So we're really grateful

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for the for the outside people who've
assisted us, but for the majority of

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it we have done it in with
the band within the band. Yeah.

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By far, out of all my
bands or products that I've been a part

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of, this has been the most
dui that I've ever accomplished. And I've

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noticed that we've actually built a lot
more content than my previous bands are my

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other bands because of how much we
just do it ourselves, whereas with the

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other bands, we always have to
budget and work around people's times and you

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know, managing other people's lives,
and it's not usually the easiest I think

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too, you know, like think
about, like Jeff, you're talking about

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going back to nineteen eighty nine,
when your musician has been doing it this

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long. I think just by being
in the industry, you learn these other

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crafts, like your drummer does the
video editing and stuff like that. You

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know, you think of you know, you mentioned Metallica. You think of

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what Metallica was capable of doing in
the eighties compared to what they're capable of

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doing now. It goes way beyond
the scope of their musicianship. It does,

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and I think their passion is showing
more in the new music than the

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old music. I personally am a
fan of the old music, not to

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go down that rabbit hole. But
they also have management in people behind them

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as a crew, where we're four
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I also want to share. Like
the other members of the bands, they

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all have other bands they play in. So this is really my passion project.

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My left for me to do my
vision and showcase the musical direction that

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I've that I had for this album. Going forward, we really want to

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collaborate and write the music collectively,
so future releases will be more of a

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Hatred Rene's full full concept instead of, you know, primarily my music vision,

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so that that this album kind of
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when I was brought in this project, I wanted to execute my client's

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vision first and foremost before even considering
myself a band member. So when it

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came to a lot of input,
I guess like I was kind of indifferent,

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but at least I stayed within the
bounds of what the vision was instead

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of trying to put my input forcefully
just because I'm a member and I love

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hearing that because see, it's that
kind of cohesiveness that I think is what

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makes a band and now want to
even go back to the game where you're

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talking about It's funny you were talking
about Metallica because of two reasons. One

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is I was at the first Metallica
show ever, So I am that person

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that when you were just saying before, like I'm kill them all all the

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way, take fight fire with fire
and put it on kill them all and

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take Jumping Fire and put on Ride
the Lightning, and me and my friends

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you say that would be the perfect
album with Dave. I did same with

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Dave. I even met Dave.
So there were like twenty five of us

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there. And after the gig,
Dave came off stage and started talking to

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me, my friend, and they
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Metallica power Metal Dave Mustain because there
was no such thing as thrash yet and

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they were power metal for a minute. Oh man, that's that's that's historic

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for sure. Yeah. I wish
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like, well, I need this
for you know. Oh man, I

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beg you go back. I wish
you had that just just for keepsake.

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would be the band they like,
I saw it. I go on tour

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and I'd do music festival coverage at
music festivals, and I saw them at

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sitting there, I'm like, this
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this many people here for Metallica,
you know, and there's legends. What

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was interesting too, is okay,
so Mitch, you got into metal because

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of things like lime Wire and Lars
was you know, he was actually right,

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but he was like the one that
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So it just goes to show there's
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There is? Absolutely yeah, there
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how you get exposed to how you
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tape stores anymore, we don't have
CD stores, and like my daughter is

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growing up in a very different world
that I am accustomed to. Like what

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we went to a shirt store,
music store, I said, I used

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to spend hours in here, Like
why right? This is a different culture

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than from what her generation will be
exposed to to what we know. And

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Mitch, yeck, he might discover
things online, but you know, we

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all have such a different, different
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some thing you said in the beginning, it totally hit me, was you

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know art music is visual too,
It's not just the music. And like

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I remember you talk about going into
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stores or I would see flyers all
over LA and I picked what music I

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listened to and what show I went
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saw and what they look like.
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me. I could share example.
So I was holding obituary slowly wrought tape

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in Kallis, Maine, and I
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other hand, and I either choose
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Sepulteura because I just love Michael Whalen's
artwork. It's it's what speaks to me

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to the most. So when we
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a bunch of different artists before we
found Petro Sino or Lord again is what

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he goes by, And we actually
did get contact by another artist two weeks

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after we made a decision go with
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Pedro designed for us, Like,
you make a decision, you got to

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stick with it. But he definitely
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They I will share a joke that
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our members is color blind, and
he'd be like, he can't see at

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the sketch because he couldn't distinguish what
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added and he could see the full
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So I'm grateful he was trusting with
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some artwork that's appealing and to your
to your point, I definitely am attracted

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to an album by its cover.
They said, never judge a book by

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its cover, but that will draw
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something colorful with lots of detail and
depth, it appeals to my to my

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senses. But who knows, maybe
next time art work will also have like

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a feather on the front. Who
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a lot to wait to see what
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current artwork for represent Awaken the Ancient. It also shows that the band actually

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has like a thought out concept for
their art and then just instead of just

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slapping like something that looks brutal or
whatever. And I feel Hatred Rains has

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definitely achieved that, and we didn't
go with AI either. There you go.

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I love it because, uh,
you know, it's funny. I've

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tested a out eye out for certain
things in radio, and although it's good,

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if you just rely on it,
which people do so much nowadays with

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technology, it can be pretty wrong
because it's like even for like show notes

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for an interview, it'll misspell a
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that, that's how you're putting it
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you're gonna use AI, put that
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yeah, hbsolutely you definitely got You
gotta just like Anthony, you gotta read

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it and read it a few times, have a few eyes on it.

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But mistakes still slips through the cracks. Some people just misread. Thing happens

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all the time. But no doubt
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AI, I'm on the fence.
I'm very analog. I'm not very a

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digital type person, and I fixed
computers to share with you as my job.

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But I'm still old school, like
I like hard tapes. I like

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reading a book in my hand,
flipping the page, smelling the papers pages,

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they flipped through them, Like that's
the kind of person I am because

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that's the generation I grew up in. But you also are in this digital

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world. Like, so we got
contrasts. So Mitches is the grew up

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in a different era than myself.
Neil and I the drummer, were from

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like the old school audio tracking,
analog tape, the tape, all these

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different all these different sources. These
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the standard that they're accustomed to.
So trying to meld both worlds that make

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everyone find a happy place could be
a challenge. But what is the new

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standard? Well, that's really tricky
when you have people who are old school

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and new school mixing blooding together.
So so I'm saying Hatred Grains is is

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an interesting dynamic. But I think
the new the new album, the current

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album is definitely representative of what we're
doing. But I'm actually super curious for

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the future to see where the writing's
going to evolve and develop between all the

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members. I love the blending,
by the way, because as an example,

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I am very much a techie,
but I also with certain things like

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like with a book, I can't
stand reading a book on computer, iPad

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or phone. I want to read
an actual book, you know. Same

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with music, like there's certain things
like you know, even if somebody understands

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music theory and stuff like digital music
misses like the mids in it. There's

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something about you know, because digital
is the you know, it's not a

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curve, it's straight line. So
there's something missing there. But the new

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school people don't know it's missing because
it's all they experience, whereas the old

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school people they experience something else.
And so I think the blending is actually

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what makes it better in my opinion, absolutely yes, the blending both analog

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and digital is actually how you get
the results that are a little bit it's

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it fits today's standards, but you
also hear the musicianship, so it's not

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flat and monotone. So, for
example, from the engineering standpoint, instead

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of relying fully on plugins, you
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outboard gear as like a mixbus processor
or actual compressors that you can run like

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your your signal chains through little little
little steps like that can definitely completely change,

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like the saturation of the sound completely. And to that point about blending

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Hatred range from the from the get
go, I always wanted to blend new

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elements with old school elements. So
we're not trying to reinvent the wheel.

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We're not trying to be Oh,
we're something new in front us. Not

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at all to me. It's just
blending old with new and that's what we're

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doing stylistically with recording. Majority of
the recording we actually use clicks, but

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there had to be some perts we
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what the part required to get the
best results. So in many ways,

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Hatred Rains tries to blend old with
new skills, new styles to represent what

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our sound is that we're trying to
create and share love it. So the

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new album, Awaken the Ancient drops
December first. Maybe you could tell everybody

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how they can connect to you guys
on socials, on the web, how

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they can get the new album,
buy merch, check out, tour dates,

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all that good stuff. So we
have two distr Kid is one of

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the pre sell links that we have
available, which will be included in this

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interview at the bottom, as well
as Hatred Rein's bandcamp dot com is the

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other place where you can get our
merch, and we don't have everything created

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just yet. There's going to be
some merch being added in time, but

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at this point in time, there's
going to be our older shirts and older

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merch available. But as of December
first, there will be some new merch

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designs and some stuff coming your guys
way for to check out love It.

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Any final words you guys want to
leave our listeners with. I think we've

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kind of me personally. I think
we've kind of touched on everything that we

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want to talk about. Yeah.
For for myself, really, I would

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like us to do some touring.
I'd really like to get off this continent

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and go travel play some shows in
another cities. If we come to State

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side, that'd be amazing as well. I'm excited to play in tour in

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Canada, don't get me wrong,
and love our country. I just like

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to try to spread our wings and
go go share our music through here and

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there and everywhere, like Indonesia,
go to these places that they're kind of

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frowned upon and share and bring our
music there to bring it to other people,

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because I think people are thursday they
want. They want to experience the

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live music of bands, not just
online and or hearing it in the cars.

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Yeah, you want to come play
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costumes. They don't know what it
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it's funny you should say that,
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of cool, because I actually have
interviewed a few Israeli bands lately and one

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like really lately. You know,
it's a shame what's going on over there.

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No matter what side of defense it
is, it doesn't matter. But

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when you have bands that you know
are releasing art that could be beneficial to

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them and everybody that's listening, and
they're restricted because of this kind of stuff,

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I think music would heal all this. I think the end of all

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wars would be music. To me, music has been one of the soothing

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person everything. The most most traumatic
events that have happened for people, they

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turn to music, or they turn
to art or something to be calming.

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You know, nature is one beautiful
thing, but I think art in music

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is another expressive form that people are
able to enjoy. I mean, sports

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is there as well, but we're
talking about music and art in this In

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this meeting and that to me is
always something I turned to for sure one

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hundred. Well you guys rock I
think I think, based on listening to

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your music, you should try to
play Hellfest because you would fit in right

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very well there. I hope you
spread this great art throughout the world and

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keep doing it. And thanks for
being on the Adventures of Pipe Man.

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