PipemanRadio Interviews Headcage

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Hey, you have done to censure? Wow, crazy young whycoume of America.

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It's time for the Adventures of Pipeman
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Wis pom Beats is number one internet
radio station. Here's your host,

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the pipe Man. This is the
pipe Man here on the Adventures of pipe

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Man W four c Y Radio.
And I'm here with our next guests,

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who has some killer music and not
only that, good therapy, which you

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guys always know. I always talk
about music is the best therapy, and

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I think that's exactly what their music
is to me. And so let's welcome

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to a show. Headcage. How
are you hi? How are you doing?

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Ah? Doing amazing? Go ahead, Liam, Yeah, Hi,

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I'm Liam, the vocalist Headcage.
You know, it's funny and I'm referring

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to even before we got on this. You know, usually the vocalist is

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like the front person spokes person,
and before the interview, Elliott went first,

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and you had these great manners to
let Elliott go first, and you

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did that the same here in the
interview. So that's kind of cool.

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Yeah, Elliott is I mean,
I'm the front man in all sort of

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purposes apart from like, I'm very
introverted, in very reclusive. So like

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Elliott is definitely the arrowhead. He
sorts everything out. I may have seemed

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like a front mom, but like
everything other than yeah, it's not who

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I am. A kiss Well,
you know, I was just talking about

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this yesterday that a lot of musicians, frontmen included, front women included,

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are are introverts. Like people think
they're extroverts, but you're lik in a

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zone when you're up on stage or
you're creating your music. But other than

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that, you know, usually you're
an introvert. And most people that are

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like in the public eye are introverts, which is very interesting. Yeah,

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I one hundred percent degree is like
you get on stage and you do become

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a different person. But yeah,
I'm normally a very quiet person. That's

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why Elliott is very switched on.
He does everything. He's the arrowhead.

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And I had to sit back and
sing. Really, now, Elliott,

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are you switched on when the mic
is on? Or are you also maybe

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not as outward extroverted when when you're
not, you don't have to turn the

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switch on. I find it very
very easy to turn the switch on.

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It's almost like a natural sort of
thing for me, Like I love performing,

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so whenever I'm on stage, like
that's that I can't wait to get

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on there and when I get off. To be honest, i'd say I

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would say I was mostly confident in
myself now. But don't get me wrong,

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I do love time to myself as
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to have a piece and quiet once
in a while with nobody else around me.

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But yeah, I think I think
for the most part, i'd say

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I was pretty sort of confident in
myself now to be pub public and especially

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in performance. You're very sociable and
very sort of about going though. Yeah,

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yeah, I would say, so, yeah, Yeah, It's took

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me a while to get there.
I didn't used to be. I used

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to be a lot more introverted,
but I've slowly reverted. I've slowly switched

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somehow, and I don't know,
I don't really know why, but it

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has happened, I think. And
I'm also motivational speaker besides radio, podcasting,

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music and all that. But I
think it's the confidence part, because

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that's really what it comes down to. You know, we're not we're not

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necessarily confident sometimes in our abilities to
do certain things. In certain situations.

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So that's what makes us more introverted
or more nervous. You know, it

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becomes second nature to us. That's
where the confidence comes in, and that's

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when it doesn't bother you as much
anymore. A lot of the time,

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not all the time. Yeah,
it definitely makes sense everything what you're saying.

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I honestly, this may sound strange
and a little funny, but I

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genuinely put it down to when I
nailed my haircut in the right way.

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Once I got that haircut, I
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you know, damn, I can
strut around the town today like it

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is fresh. It is a fresh
echo, you're looking fresh, you feel

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good. I think that was the
turning point. And as funny as we're

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all think of this is is actually
true because like when you look in the

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mirror, whether it be your haircut
or the way you're dressed, that's why

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they have the term dress for success, because there's like this different attitude that

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you have. Absolutely, like whenever
we play a show, some one of

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us in the band message will always
go right right, guys, what we're

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wearing. I want to know where
everybody's wearing it's normally you. It's not

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only me. I love it.
I love it, and I can totally

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relate to you, Elliott in the
way of like, I'm a total extrovert,

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but I also say I'm an extrovert
and a looner at the same time.

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And not many people get that concept
because they're they're thinking it means I'm

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an extrovert and in it introvert,
and it's not really the case. Like

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I could be at a music festival
with one hundred thousand people and like feeling

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great that I'm around this whole crowd
of people, but also feel like I'm

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by myself at the same time,
Like in any situation, I'm very social

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and easy to put the switch on, but I'm also at the same time

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sometimes in my own world at the
same time as I'm being social. Yeah,

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I completely feel the same way.
Right, I've never heard it put

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that way before, but I totally
feel you See, I knew you would

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get that because you were saying this
stuff. I'm like, yeah, that

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that's me right there. And I
said it to my kids one time,

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and one of my dars she's like, you know, and I think about

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that is so on point because there's
times like we're all together and you're like

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totally interactive with us and stuff,
but then you're also like kind of somewhere

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else in your own world at the
same time too. Yeah, I'm always

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thinking about what to do next,
right exactly. Yeah, I've always got

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like the next plan in my head. Right. And for me, it's

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also if I'm in my own domain. And that doesn't mean like people don't

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understand that either. It doesn't mean
being in your own house, although that

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is one part of it, but
like being on stage for somebody like yourself,

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that's your domain, okay, in
your band, in you're in your

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world. I kind of relate it
to like if I had people over my

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house for like a party, I
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it. You're in my domain type
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in high school, I never liked
going to other people's houses for parties.

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I always needed it to be at
mind. Yeah, And I think it's

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almost that you feel safe, that
you feel safe to be yourself and your

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own domain, don't you so,
yeah exactly, And that holds true for

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everything work or whatever, like being
on the radio, so as the MIC's

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on I'm in my domain and somebody's
on my radio show. It's my radio

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show, so they're in my world. Now here's a trip. So I

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was just doing the festival because I
go and I go on tour and I

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do coverage at all these festivals,
and I actually had to interview other people

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in my industry like that, not
like I was there. It was one

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thing interviewing musicians, and I could
interview like the biggest musicians out there and

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it doesn't bother me at all.
They're in my world. But yeah,

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I had to do this interview of
somebody else that's in the same world.

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I was like nervous because it's like
it was like, oh, this is

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weird because like and it's almost like
you don't know whose domain you're in,

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Like am I am in theirs?
And they're kind of like looking at me

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from their professional stamp point, you
know, and you know it's a trip,

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right, No, I get that
because it's like us, It's like

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we could play to a crowd full
of people, and but if there's a

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band in that crowd watching us,
it's a bit. It's like it's like

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us playing the bands rather than playing
If you get me, totally totally,

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Like if there was a band I
really looked up to who were watching us,

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man, I'd be feeling the nerves
right, nerves at the time,

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right, And that was the same
thing that was going out with me,

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because it's like, oh, man, I hope I don't suck because they're

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gonna know, they're gonna know Ice
suck. Totally. Yeah. Oh then

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you know who else was like you'll
you'll like this on the amount of if

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you know, but in the very
beginning, you know who was like totally

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shy even on stage. Where's paper
head James Hetfield. Yeah, yeah,

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Like in the beginning of Metallica,
Dave Mustaine was more of the front person

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as far as being out there with
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and James would like kind of kind
of like what Maynard does, hide in

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the back and like didn't really do
much and didn't engage with the audience.

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So I think the same as you
guys, Like after a period of time,

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he got his confidence because he got
his comfort level and that's when he

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came out. I mean when I
do yeah, no, I didn't know

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that that's really cool. But I
think when I get on stage, I

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am a different I feel like I'm
very good with the crowd. I'm normally

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on top of the crowd, but
I do there's a switch that flips,

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there's like gig mode and it comes
on and it is. It is very

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draining, though, because being an
introvert in front of a lot of people,

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in a lot of them, like
speaking to a lot of people afterwards,

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and so it's more mentally draining than
anything. But I love it so

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much, and well there you go. Yeah, no, I do love

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performing, like although I am introverted
and most of the time I spend my

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time sitting at this chair playing on
computer games, but or making music.

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As soon as it's gig day,
it's yeah, I'm ready for it,

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like all the time. Oh,
I get it a million percent because like

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the man the mic turns on for
me, or the man I get up

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on stage. It's like I go
on this zone and I become pipe man.

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You know. And where did that
nickname come from? You know?

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What's funny about that? And what's
great about I've found it recently? You

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know. I get that question as
much as bands get how to get your

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band name? And I but I
but I love it though, because bands

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always think it means something different,
you know, and just like just like

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with a band name, sometimes it's
just a stupid name or whatever, and

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people think there's like something hidden meaning
to it. My last name's piper,

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so somebody just called me pipe man
way back when, and it's stuck,

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you know what. That's my favorite
kind of story, when it's really simple,

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right, when the answer is really
a lot more simple than you think

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exactly. You know, people are
like, like the large majority of band

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people always think I has something to
do with smoking a pipe or laying pipe.

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I was thinking it was to do
with vocals, like you've got bad

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pipes? Yeah, see that.
And actually my vocals for talking are great,

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but for singing they suck. But
here here you should give a different

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story every single time. That's what
you should do. It's funny. It's

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funny you should say that because a
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the in person ones at the festivals, I'll say, like I said to

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you guys in the again, how
I do my interview? But I'll say,

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and I don't ask stupid questions like
how do you get your band name?

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So I did that once with August
Burns Red and it was so funny

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because they're like, well, then
you're lucky. And they're like, because

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we have a different story every time
somebody asks that, and we just fuck

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with people, you know. And
yeah, I've heard lots of different I've

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heard lots of different reasons of why
they're called August. Fern's read and see

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that's because of them, and they've
said it's become a thing now, you

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know. But and he goes,
you see her next to you here,

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Well, we just got done with
that interview, and she asked us,

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and so what we did and she
goes and we do it a total straight

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face. Yeah. Well me and
my sister. My sister got this dog

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when we were teenagers and she named
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outside and we were just, you
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and we just decided it would be
funny, like, hey, let's

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light August on fire and watch August
run down the street and and ergo,

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August burns Red. And they're like, you should have seen the look of

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horror on her face, because we
were dead serious when we said it.

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Yeah, that's the one I heard
was very similar. He had a girlfriend

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called August and a dog called Red. And they broke up, so she

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burnt his dog, so August burns
red se They just do varieties of the

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same story too. See that's cool. They just switch it a little bit

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so nobody catches on. Maybe,
you know, as the media people are

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talking to each other, Oh yeah, I got that same story, you

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know, And my answer to them
was yes. Serves them right for asking

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that stupid question. But I actually
like it when bads asked me because like

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it's even better because bads are always
the ones that don't like that question.

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So when they're asking me, I'm
just kind of like laughing inside. I

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think it's great. Oh man,
So let's talk about your new music,

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and like the new song Gaslight.
I'm assuming and I'm doing this for the

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audience, but that means exactly what
I think it means, meaning like having

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to do with telling people about,
you know, certain things or problems you're

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having or trying and confide in your
parents and what have you, and they

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just gaslight you. You've hit the
nail on the head. That's exactly what

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it's about. It's about even now, but more more so younger me,

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not not being right, sort of
depression, anxiety, and recently found out

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ADHD. So there's a lot of
I've had a lot of issues growing up

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and people just going, oh,
no, you're okay. Doctor's going,

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you're okay. You're just having a
tough time, parents going, it's a

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phase. So it's just been like, okay, I'm okay, gas lilting

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a feeling okay when you when you're
not, And then you get used to

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thinking that feeling that you're feeling is
how you should like, that's that's okay,

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like when you need help, that's
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it. Yeah, and the unfortunate
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to think that something is wrong with
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or whatever, so they will gas
like you to protect themselves. Yeah.

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I also feel that a lot of
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she's she's quite old school. So
like, you didn't have depression, you

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know, like back in back in
mom's time, I guess there wasn't such

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a thing as anxiety because it was
just you know, a man up,

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like, come on, you're a
dude, you don't cry sort of thing.

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And that's what kind of era that
you've been brought around, Sir,

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I feel you because I'm a gen
X and that's exactly what I went through.

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I was a little kid, you
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So I was a little kid and
my mother was having me take the garbage

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out, and I took it on
my skateboard and at some point I hit

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a rock as I was going down
the hill and I ate it. And

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I came home and my hand was
hurting really bad, and I was like

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crying to my mother and she's like, stop crying. You're boy. Boys

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don't cry, and you're fine.
Do take out the rest of the garbage,

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exactly. And then so I went
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went up to him and he checked
out my hand and he's like, I

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think it's broken. He took me
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was broken, you know. But
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Like if I called him with stuff, even when I was in my

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twenties, his answer would be you'll
figure it out. Yeah. I imagine

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that's the what he got growing up
as well, you know. Yeah,

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yeah, exactly. And I don't
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I was younger, I thought it
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if those things were dealt with,
I would avoided a lot of other dumb

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decisions in my life. Yeah.
You know, we have another song that's

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you wrote specifically about just talking things
out which helps thing. Yeah. I

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got a song called talk More,
which is all about needing to talk about

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problems, whether it's problems you'm with
yourself or I had like an argument with

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a parent or a partner. It's
all about that sort of stuff. And

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I'm a big believer in that.
So that's cool because I think, like,

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how many times too do you have
people that are in your life and

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they don't want to hear it?
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sometimes talking is just gaining it out
and and sometimes that just helps to just

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if somebody would just listen, you
know, because otherwise, if you have

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nobody to talk to, it just
builds up in festers inside and just gets

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worse. Yeah. Well, yeah, that's a hundred I agree, one

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hundred percent. And I feel music
and singing is that for me because people

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don't I mean, people do have
a choice, but like if it's out

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there immortalized in the world, like
if you're gonna listen to it that you

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can listen to you don't like,
it doesn't matter. Somebody's gonna hear it

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and somebody's gonna listen to us sort
of thing. Yeah, but it's more

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from myself. I just need to
get it out. It's an outlet,

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like a conduit to release. So
yeah, just when you're want about it's

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like therapy. This is my therapy. Like, yeah, there's no better

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therapy than writing your thoughts down and
getting them out into the world. I

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think, so, well, what's
cool about music is exactly that, going

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back to I said in the beginning
about music being the best therapy, because

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the way I look at is therapy
for the artists and therapy for the listeners.

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So the artist, like you're saying, gets it out, Like there's

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something so therapeutic about writing a song, you know, it's the same as

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like writing a journal, Like you're
getting this stuff out of you. But

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then the listener can listen to it, relate to it, and realize there's

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somebody else that feels the same way
I do, and that helps them therapy.

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Yeah, I mean, I hope, I hope some people have listened

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to my stuff and to my lyrics
and thought that. I mean, that

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is one of the reasons I do. I hope it can help people.

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And I know being a teenager and
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and stuff back in the day,
that sort of stuff helped me. Like

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there was people who are also sad
like so it was normal. It is.

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It's very therapeutic music totally. So
as everybody reach out to you guys

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on socials and the web, check
out your new music and then you know

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you have the EP under my skin, so we want them to check that

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out by your merch you have any
tour dates all that good stuff. Yeah,

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man, we've got obviously at the
time of this interview, it comes

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out at midnight tonight, so it'll
be out tomorrow on all platforms, So

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just search Headcage on Spotify will be
there if you want to find us on

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Instagram is at Headcage dot UK.
That's where we put up a lot of

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our stuff and like more regular story
updates on there. We've got a merch

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store at Headcage dot co dot UK
and next week we go on tour to

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support this EP. We're playing it's
just around the UK. We're playing Glasgow,

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Manchester, a hometown show in Newcastle
and then we play London the final

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date and I can't wait. I
can't wait to get out and play my

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first of a tour nice and I
have to make you guys laugh before we

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go, because you know, your
Newcastle show is sold out. I was

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married to a British girl. Every
time I talk to people from the UK,

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which is often because I go out
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but and I have a bunch of
friends there. But I always talk about

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this because I never knew when I
married her. But like, she came

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over to America like a lot a
lot of people do, and she acted

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like like she was like a royal, and you know, acted like she

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was like all Heidi Toydian stuff.
And then I found out where she was

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from. That meant nothing to me
until I started talking to people and said

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it and got their reaction. She
was from Newcastle. Oh yeah, there's

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no there's no postular, well there
is postule, but yeah, she's from

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Newcastle. She's rough mate, like
right right, oh man? And that's

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why I get every time, Like
when I was married to her, I

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had no idea what Newcastle was,
you know, And I didn't even really

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know she was from there because she
kind of kept it hidden. And now

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I know why. I don't even
think I could hide my jority accent.

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I don't think that could go.
I mean, I'm a proud Jeordie,

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proudly from Newcastle, but yeah,
we're not posh. We're not all Heidi

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tidy and royal like. Yeah,
and she didn't sound like you like I

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think she like retrained her voice or
something, because she did have like the

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proper queen's English type of accent.
Elliott's Nelly there, he's got quite a

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posh voice, but he's from your
voice. Yeah, mid middle of the

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middle of the road, just mutual
British accent as mine. Nice. Yeah.

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And she always said like, I
picked the wrong sister, Like I

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never met her sister, but apparently
her her sister is a lead singer of

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a hardcore punk band over there.
So she she always said, you married

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the wrong sister because she didn't like
my music. Dumb, So she went

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like headcage, probably, but I
do, and I know our listeners will,

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so they better tune in. They
better check you guys out, support

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you by buying merch because it's the
only way band survive nowadays and you guys

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rock. So thanks for being on
the Adventures of pipe Man. Thank you

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for having us on her. Appreciate
you, Yeah, really, thank you

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very much. Thank you for listening
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