PipemanRadio Interviews Ithaca at Aftershock 2023

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Tom. I'm We're from Ithaca,
all the way from London. Wow.

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You know there's a lot of UK
bands Aftershock, for sure. I just

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came back from there myself because I
did download and bloodstuff nice. And so

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I like to ask the UK artists. You know, since the UK and

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Europe they really know how to do
a festival. How do you like the

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Danny Wimmer festivals? I mean,
I think they're incredible, to be honest,

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Like it's really like it's such a
different experience to the UK festivals,

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but like in a good like the
scale of it is insane, and also

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like it's very American in a way
that I really like, Like I don't

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know, like the Marines are recruiting
here and stuff. It's cool and also

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have the Army. Yeah yeah,
right, yeah, I mean it's completely

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unlike any UK festil like you went
to download, So you know, it

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is a very different thing that feels
like in a good way, sort of

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like dirtier and greater, especially when
people are staying in the middle of the

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crowd they have to go to a
bathroom and don't leave, they just pe

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right there. Yeah. I mean
I've seen it. I've seen that happen.

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We went a European festival. A
friend of mine saw someone throw up

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some noodles and then eat those noodles. Oh yeah, so I'm sorry too.

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I saw someone shit into a plastic
bottle and throw it at a band

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at a UK festival. So I
don't feel like you get that here,

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but yeah, lesser. Everyone feels
a bit more like polite and genteel and

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like well dressed and like less elastic. Now it makes sense because way back

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in the eighties, Venom would come
to his Venom yeah, and they would

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throw pronos, would throw a bucket
of piss on the crowd. Yea,

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So now I know why, Yeah, yeah, yeah, I think that's

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just the way we do. Yeah. And I mean Dylan Joy Escape Plan

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played Reading Vessel and famously took a
ship on stage, and we're like this

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is what you're going to see up
here for the rest of the day.

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I was like, Okay, that's
so antagonistic. I love it. Well,

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how about the who Keith Moon used
to like, or Pete Townsend would

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take a ship on his drums and
he would eat it, which was a

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problem. We're so repressed that the
only way we can express ourselves is through

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shitting, apparently. I love language
exactly. Yeah, I get you a

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guy, you can do both,
you know. Oh my god. It

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is funny though, because, like
you're in the States, if you just

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randomly as a guy pe somewhere,
you could go to jail and get put

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on the sex offers. Right,
Okay, so you like I, I

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go deep in the woods, make
sure nobody can see you, and I'm

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there right download And it's like either
eight or just pissing wherever they want.

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They're all lining up against the wall
next to the stage. Yeah, all

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on the artist posters as well,
which is very unfortunate. Yeah, that's

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stupid. And and and the troughs. I don't like using those. I

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don't want to sit with a line
of guys pissing. And then it's rolling

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down. So if you're on this
side, you're catching everybody's piss. Yeah,

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I mean European toilets get a lot
of stick. I think the trough's

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awful in like mainland Europe. You
get the ones with the shelf. Yeah,

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yeah, which is terrible apparently,
so you can expect inspect your waist

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to make sure that you've not got
like a problem. But I don't need

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that. But I've had Americans calling
out like European toilets all the time,

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every time I've told them, and
we come here and you have so much

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water in your toilet bowl that it
is upsetting. It's just like you're gonna

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like drop into the water. I'm
calling out us toilets. Well, how

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about the Yeah, how about the
next revolutionary war is about the toilet?

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Yeah? You know, I mean
poor women like I hear all the stories

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they have to like stand up and
like squat and not touch anything and like

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hold on and the patriarchy. You
know, I'm telling you, somebody's gonna

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make a change. Maybe it's you, guys. This is my campaign slogan,

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right the hill I will die on. I think I got to run

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for president four and less water in
the toilets, those are my pot I'll

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be like and I'll give it shit
about walls. I don't give a shit

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about this water in the toilet and
better porter of parties. I think that's

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it. I think I would win. I've got my vote. Yeah,

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So tell our listeners who have not
listened to you before, how you,

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as an artist express your music,
not from a genre put you in a

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box standpoint, but how you look
at your music or you want people to

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look at your music. That's a
really great question, I think in terms

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of what we're trying to communicate.
I mean, I always give a little

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speech when we play shows where I
talk about, like, for us,

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it's about more than just music,
which I know every artist says that,

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but like for us, it really
it's really, really, really true.

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Like the record that we wrote during
the pandemic and the record that came out

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last year, like it really is
a lot about trauma and about like coming

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into your trauma, but also actually
the ability through in a word, to

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come out of the other side,
you know, Like it's not just about

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like like there's a lot of trauma
in metal, a lot of nihilism,

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but actually with I feel very passionately
about us not being a nihilistic band and

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about actually spreading a more positive message
about the possibility of healing, you know

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what I mean, Like if you're
going through trauma, healing is possible,

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Like recovery is possible, in a
work is possible, Like you can have

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health and healing and like a new
life, you know what I mean.

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You don't have any band by your
trauma. So I think like in many

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ways, that's one of the core
underlying messages. That's that's that's behind our

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last record. For certain I love
that these Listen, there's people out there

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that think, oh, artists,
should you get up there and talk just

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play your music right listen, Yes, you absolutely fucking should. Yeah.

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You know you have that pulpit,
You have something to say, something people

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need to hear. And that's what
music's all about. I mean, we're

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not a punk band, but we
all come from like the DOI saying,

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you know, hardcore bands, punk
bands, that sort of stuff. And

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I think that ethos still is there. But if you have a platform,

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you need to use it is your
responsibility to use it to try and better

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the world or as watch the exactly
and music is the best therapy for us

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thers and that says the listener.
So why not exactly? And the best

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thing about being on this tour,
which is our first story of the US,

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is that, like I've chatted to
so many people who really feel like

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they've connected with the music, which
is not I'm not gussing us up.

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It's just like there's something about the
message that we're trying to get across that

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people are like if there's really landing
here, I don't know. I don't

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know about more so than in the
UK, but like, I think people

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need to hear that more optimistic message. I think people need to hear that

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it's not just about like, yeah, nihilism or a kind of intrusive thoughts,

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so that, yeah, the healing
aspects is something that we're really trying

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to offer people. Well, I'm
toty about that because I'm a big believer

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of mindset, positive thinking and all
that. And although I may like some

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lyrics and songs that you know,
deal with trauma and this and that,

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but it should be used for positive
not so you go into more of a

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depression or more anger or whatever.
It's just like the marsh bit. The

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marsh bit is a healthy way to
get out your aggression. So you don't

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beat the ship out of somebody on
the street. It's just catharsis And that's

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when we're up on stage, that's
what we're doing as well. Like we

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can all be stressed out dealing with
horrible stuff, but then you get half

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an hour to just you know,
pop your pussy and go wild out and

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it's just it's yeah, it's good. There you go. And it's funny.

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You were just talking and made me
think of some of the UK words

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that can't be said in America anymore. Oh, I see, yeah,

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yeah, yeah, you know,
like you guys love to use the word

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cunt. We we've chatted about this
with our driver. Yeah, yeah,

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that's a big no no here,
you know, shut down in America.

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But sometimes it slips out because it's
it can well it's hard of you know,

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it's just yeah, it's how you
say it low it slips out.

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It slips out for me too,
but it only has to do with my

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ex wife. I see. Well
that's a whole other conversation. Right,

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what's the other word fag? You
can't say that in America anymore either in

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the UK. And let people well, if you're talking about cigarette, right,

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yeah, that was I didn't even
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If you said it about something else, you'd get fucking wrecked, I'm

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sure, but I never even knew
you said it about something else. I

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thought it was just for cigarettes.
Yeah. The queer community in the UK

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actually like uses the cigarette emoji quite
a lot for that. Oh really yeah,

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it comes from the same etomology for
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a fagot was like a bundle of
sticks. Then yeah, they were like,

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but wanting to burn queer people,
so like, oh look at that.

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Yeah, see I didn't know that. See you learn something every day.

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Not just pretty faces, you know, that's right, not even pretty

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faces. And also not pretty faces. That's really not you know why I

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want to ask about the red string
on your wrist. Hell yeah, I'd

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be delighted to talk about it.
This is Are you familiar with the Indian

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festival of Rutshabundon? Have you ever
heard of it? Rutshabundon? No?

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So this is my rockie. So
I'm half Gadjati and like my Indian side

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of my Indian heritage. You said, you know, I wear a channel

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on stage, like I wear a
lot of have to represent my indianheritage.

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It's something I'm very proud of,
Like my Indian family is a very important

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part of my upbringing. This Rocky
is something that traditionally gets tied by a

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sibling, normally a female sibling is
a symbol of protection. It comes from

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an ancient story where yeah, and
I think it was rum tied it on

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seated Anyway, I don't know the
story. I'm going to get called out

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and canceled by exactly who tied the
original. Is it a Hindu thing?

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Yeah it is, Yeah, Yeah, But my family takes Rocky very seriously

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because it's like it's about the familial
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tied this on my on my wrist, and my cousins tied some as well,

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and you wear them until they fall
off, and it's like until they

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fall off, you've got their their
like divine protection, you know. And

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you know why I asked you about
that, because first of all, I

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knew it had to do something like
that, but also to other reasons.

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One is related to that. When
I was just in Bali, when I

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was leaving the hotel, they gave
me and tied on my wrist. It

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wasn't red though, but it was
a string and it was basically this represent

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you know, good luck in your
travels and blah blah blah for sure.

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But then the other thing is I'm
a Jew, and then kabbala you as

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the same thing. So I thought
it was pretty cool after you explain it,

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that you know, something like that
could have similar meanings in different ethmesticicities

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to show that we are one race, the human race, we really are.

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And like for me not to get
super deep, but like I wear

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this really proudly because my parents aren't
around anymore. Like I don't have a

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relationship with my dad, my mum
has passed away, and so like my

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closeness with my sister is something that
means so much to me. So like

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to be able to like carry her
around with me is like a very powerful

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thing, you know, means See
how good an interviewer I am and I

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may Yeah, how many people I've
interviewed you and all the time you've been

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around that ask you about this is
the first time I've been asked about my

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maraki. That is very good.
So big points the scripts, just that's

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right, right, do better?
Everyone else? Look at I do?

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I do if you notice, I
look, most people, yeah, as

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you say, just don't even don't
notice there, you know. And I'm

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glad I learned about it because I
think in order for us to be understand

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other people and be good humans,
we have to learn about their culture for

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sure, their religious beliefs. Like
I think it's bullshit that only know yours,

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because how do you know if even
you know you're into yours unless you

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know other ones? Like I've studied
all religions, so my beliefs are based

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on knowing all of them, not
just the one I was taught growing Absolutely,

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absolutely, And I think like there's
a need for more cultural representation in

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this style of music, Like increasingly
we're seeing bands who are wearing their tradition

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and their heritage more proudly, and
I think that's like an amazing thing because

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like diversity of voices, diversity of
representation enriches are you know, we get

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We'll get more interesting music if we
have more people like tolding their heritage proudly.

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And I'm not you know, I
don't think that just has to be

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like ethnic heritage. Cultural heritage can
be like class heritage, or it could

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be like all sorts of things like
if you if you're like if you're Irish,

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or if you're like whatever, you
know, like if you if you

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have a tradition that you've grown up
in, like an environment or a container

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that is like made you the musician
you are. It's like where it proudly,

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dude, like live it like you
know, I don't know, sorry,

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just like I think you should.
No, just like I think you

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should wear proudly. Like my second
ex wife, she's from the UK,

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right, and she always acted like
she was like a royal and then she

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might have been you never know.
Okay, well and I tell you where

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she's from, you'll change your two. Newcastle. I like Newcastle, but

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yeah not really the Royal area a
great city. Americans listening are visiting.

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Newcastle is a city really fun to
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like something really different to offer.
I am proud to live in Manchester,

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like the rest of the guys live
in London and it's sick and it's really

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different. But Newcastle is the wild
place onto itself. Well at least you're

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not from Birmingham, because that I
can understand you. No that yeah,

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yeah, well even Newcastle we struggle
with and glass regions. Glass regions bad.

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But my my family have moved to
Birmingham, so my niece has been

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growing up there and she's got a
Brommy accent and it's so weird, like

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shout out, I love you,
Grace. Sorry if you ever hear this

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in like ten years, but you
sound a mess is what your uncle will

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get it together? You're not uncle
Tom is a bit of that. Yeah,

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I you know, listen. I
should have known better after listening to

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Autie. But the first time I
was going to download, I was flying

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into Birmingham and my London friends were
like, You're not gonna understand word,

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they say, I'm like, come
on, I got a plain. I'm

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talking to people. I'm like,
can you say that I'm Spanish? No

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clue what you google? It was? It was like and I'm like,

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oh, okay, do you have
a translator. It's crazy. I used

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to work with a guy from the
Scottish borders and that so far is the

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most unintelligible accident I found in the
UK, because he literally would come up

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to me and go and I'd be
like what, I'd be like, Laurie,

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literally, can you say something like
I'm going to the bathroom, do

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you want anything? And you have
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a foreign language. It was ridiculous. And now that you said it the

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slower away, I'm like, oh, yeah, it did sound like yeah

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exactly. But I mean I ran
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and stuff here, like getting me
to my ear into Diagson's and stuff.

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But yeah, there's some wild ones
in the UK, truly bonkers. And

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it's such a small country and the
thing that like you go one hundred miles

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in one direction and it's just completely
changed. It's mad. Well. It's

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like from New York and New Jersey
and New Jersey, which is a very

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small state. Every city has a
different accent. I can tell what city

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they're from by their accent, just
like you guys can tell, yeah,

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I go to your gate. You
get when you get to the elite level,

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I believe is when you can identify, for example, like the different

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boroughs of London, right, like
I think different Lovedon. I think if

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you tune your here right, like
North and South London of a different accent,

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and you can like hear and they
use different slang. Yeah, and

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it's like that's like ten miles apart
from each other. Everyone New York,

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every borough right, and even parts
of the Burroughs are right. Like if

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you're closer to Queens, but you're
in Brooklyn, you might have a mix.

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Yeah, you wouldn't have the Brooklyn, you won't have the Queen,

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but the mix of Queens, but
a mix of both. So I feel

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you. We copy you, guys. That's probably why it is. We've

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we've been doing it for a few
hundred years. Indeed, indeed, well

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you guys rock tell everybody how they
can reach out to you on socials and

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nowhere by your merch all that great
stuff. Yes, so if you go

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to they fear us dot Com,
that's got links to everything we're doing,

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shows coming up, all our merch, everything like that. We're also if

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the band u K just if they
can band on band just with command on

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Insta. I definitely know all our
socials, so yeah, check us out

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and if about UK on Facebook.
Okay, yeah, there we go that

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one. Yes, just go on
they fear us dot Com and then you'll

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yeah, you'll find it. I
need to worry about it. And for

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our listeners in Birmingham can you translate
all that to Birmingham. All right,

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so we're going to go on the
ethic of social if you have social Yeah,

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going at ethic band dot com.
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I lost it. Yeah, no, I can't do it. Okay,

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all right, they fear us,
they fear us dot com. That's better

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that they fear us dot com.
There we go. Now we're in it.

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N there you go, very annoyed
that we did that. Of course.

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Regions, Oh yeah, they're gonna
be pissed. But you know,

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hey, oh well, you know, I know, listen. It'll give

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them a reason and listen your music
because they're then why I hate you?

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So they're gonna want to listen to
music. They they're gonna go, oh

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my god, they're really freaking good. I guess I'll take whatever insult.

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See, we've not tried it,
that's right. See, and people make

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fire Ozzie all the time, but
they still he keeps geting more fans.

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So there it is. Well,
thanks for being on the Adventures pipe Man,

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and I hope to see you again. Pleasure to thank you, Thanks

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for having us, Thank you for
listening to the Adventures of Pipelin. I'm

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w for c u I radio,