PipemanRadio Interviews The Rods About Rattle The Cage

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White Man. This is fight Man here

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on the Adventures fight Man W four
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up our next guest, because you
know, this span has always had this

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underground type of following and that includes
me because I remember, way way way

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back when I was in this record
store in the valley in La called Oz

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Records, and there was a store
clerk there. His name was Brian Slagel,

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and he pointed out this album to
me with a three headed dog on

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it, and basically the rest is
history. And now we're here today.

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Geez, It's decades and decades later
to celebrate a new album. So let's

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welcome to the show. Carl from
the Rods, How are you. I'm

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doing great, Thanks for having me
on. And way way way back,

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you had to add that extra Way's
that's a that's a really cool story.

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I mean, Brian Slagel obviously legend
and metal and so how cool was that,

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no doubt. You know. It's
funny because me and my bros used

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to go to OZ Records all the
time and he worked there and he just

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started Metal Blade, and so what
I told him, like a few years

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ago, I'm like, what a
brilliant plan that was, even though it

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wasn't really his plan. But you
know, he's like, I was just

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a record store clerk, but he
was able to promote all these bands working

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at the record store. So we
would go and we would buy these albums.

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He's like, hey, check this
out, Hey check this out,

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and like, that's how I became
the metal head I am today. That's

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right. And they still do.
They play they play music in the store.

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It's a great way to promote,
like who's this, Like, oh,

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these guys are great, perfect exactly, you know. And I missed

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those days too at looking at an
album cover and gone, wow, I

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need to buy that album and not
having any clue what it would sound like.

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You know, I think kids today
are missing that with that whole track

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track track mentality, you know,
where you get this full album experience completely

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and you immerse yourself. There's even
bands I didn't like when I first heard

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it, but you know, I
paid my record, so I listened to

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it over and over again, and
then they pay my favorite band. Mm

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hm, that's the same for me. Immerse yourself and I listened to the

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album. But people, you know, people are busy. People have time

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to sit and listen to an album
unless you're really die hard fan. But

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it is a shame about the physical
But you do see people like I know,

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for this Rogs album right of the
Cage, we're sold out of almost

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all the vinyl now wow, the
reordery, so it's actually fantastic, but

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people are buying vinyl. I love
that vinyls making comeback. And I even

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laugh because there's bands I've interviewed over
the past few years that are playing out

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cassettes too, and I love that
too. I still have a whole stack

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of my albums, including that Rod's
album from way back, and I still

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have like boxes and boxes of cassettes. The only thing I didn't keep were

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my eight tracks. I just heard
somebody was some band was trying to do

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a release on an eight track.
I can't imagine where do you play that?

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But that's pretty I don't even that
would be cool. But I can't

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even find an eight track. Maybe
it's just a collector's at it, but

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it's a cool idea, no doubt. I remember I had Blizzard of Odds

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and mister Crowley used to cut in
the middle to change from track to the

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track free and it would like fade
out and then fade back in, and

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I'd have to put a match book
cover under the tape so it would play

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slowly. And you know, the
struggles eight tracks were a struggle for sure,

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no doubt. So tell us about
the new album. And you know,

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I'm always fascinated with artists like you
that have been around doing this for

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so long. How you keep coming
up with new material to write like you

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you would think at some point you
run out of material to write. Yeah,

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that you know, I guess that's
a case of the muse. In

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this album. For this album we
have, David just was on a terror

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like he was really prolific. He
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I have another one, I have
another one. And you know, this

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album, with the exception of Heaven
and Helen high Water, which Freddy brought

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in the riff and the song title, I've sent David the lyrics for Rattle

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the Cage the idea for that and
for a shock wave, which was the

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working title until Rattle the Cage became
such a what we thought was a great

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song and perfect for the album.
You know. In this for this album,

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David's just been on a roll and
we're already through. I just sent

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them some ideas. I picked up
my guitar. Finally, I've been very

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busy the last couple of years.
I picked up my guitar and bass and

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I record these little home So I
just already sent them some ideas. We

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already have four or five songs recorded
in the can that I need drum tracks

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to and then you know, Sweeten
Me and David's written I think one or

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two more songs, and Freddy has
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not short of ideas. We'll have
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months. Wow, that's amazing,
you know, it's it's amazing because artists

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have been doing this as well as
you. It seems like they're playing out

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more music now than they and in
a rut then back in the day.

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And I guess there is a lot
of material nowadays to speak about on albums.

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It almost seems like we have a
repeat of stuff in the eighties to

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talk about. Well, no,
there's definitely you know, things, it's

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cyclical and I think things come back
around and you see things coming back like

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power pop, power rock, hard
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along with all the other genres and
you know, and sub genres of metal,

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extreme metal. So it's a it's
cool, it's you know, to

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me. I have some friends who
are older like, oh, the music

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is blah blah blah blah blah,
and I'm like, I don't know what

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you're listening to because there's so much
great music out there. Every day there's

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new great music in the so well, you know, it's funny because there

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are people that I knew, you
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to shows with and they kind of
say, yeah, I used to be

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a metal head, and I'm like, yeah, you weren't really a metal

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head. If you say used to
a metal head is a metal head and

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a matter of go ahead, No, it's in Europe. You know.

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We found once we started going to
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have fans who are doctors, lawyers, like they're they're well into their career,

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they're older, they're hardcore metal fans, you know, successful business people,

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they're not. It's like here in
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for life. There's no fickle Oh
yeah, well I used to be a

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country fan, you know. I
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fan. For some reason. In
America, there's been this pop sensibility where

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you were fed this top forty thing, and once that was pass a then

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suddenly that group or that style of
music was no longer cool. But that's

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not the way for Europeans who love
music. They know what they like and

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they find the good bands that they
like and they stay with them. And

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as long as you're putting out music
that's true and to the band, it

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isn't just basic crap. You know, those fans stay with you. It's

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not about I used to be metal, like you said, and it's but

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in America, country fans are like
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heard there for life, they like
it. They're there. Yeah, true

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story, And you know, I'm
glad you brought that up because that's why

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I found going over to Europe is
that. Man. I thought, like,

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there's some bands that I love back
in the eighties that I thought were

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not around anymore, and turns out
they've just been in Europe all this time

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because they love the old school metal, the new school medal. They love

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it all. You know, I
did coverage of festivals, and going to

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a European festival like Hellfest or Vodkin
or any of those is a whole different

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experience than my experience in the US. Yeah, totally different. And like

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Download first, I went to downloads. Oh my god, it's like a

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it's a city. They built a
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And same with Hellfest, that whole
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health best city. And Download.
You know, it's funny you mentioned Download

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because last year at Download, Metallica
headline and there were complaints fifteen miles away

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from people that music was too loud
and they can hear with dallag loud and

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clear fifteen miles away of like,
that's pretty badass, that's badass. Yeah,

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they're looking they didn't get charged.
Those tickets were pretty high. Oh

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yeah, I'm sure. And you
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like you're saying, going to these
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I'm in Costa Rica, right,
now. Oh, you know, I

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met somebody the first day I got
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on different events and small festivals here, and I've talked about, Man,

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I want to do a festival in
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metal festival here. Well, that's
what I thought. To talk to this

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guy and we're talking about maybe putting
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there's a huge underground metal scene in
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you know. So it just goes
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It's worldwide and in some places bigger
than it ever was. Yeah, I

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agree. So what what is it
that you know throughout the years keeps you

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going and keeps you doing this Besides
the love of the music, what other

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things fuel your passion for being a
musician. Well, I've wanted to play

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drums since I was four and a
half and I didn't get drums until I

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was thirteen. I've got a practice
pad when I was maybe eleven or something,

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but I didn't get drums. So
I was thirteen, you know,

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single mom, poor and just didn't
get them. So when I did,

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I hit the ground running and I've
always wanted to play. I still have

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that same passion today about playing my
drums. I recorded a drum track.

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I worked for hire or someone and
did that drum track yesterday, and I

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couldn't wait to play it. I
was excited to actually go in and knock

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out the drum part and be creative. And so those things are just it's

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something that I just want to play
my drums. I'm as excited about my

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drums today as I was when I
was a kid. When I look at

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my drums, I look at all
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and the drums, and you know, I just it's like it's cool.

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It's like I go into like a
store like Harbor Freight or you know,

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any store like that, like Ace
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and I'll see all the duels.
I don't want to use them. I

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don't know how to use them.
You know, all that boys stuff doesn't

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work for me. I can't.
I can change light bulbs, but I

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can do basic stuff. But when
I look at all this stuff, I'm

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like, Wow, that is so
cool. That's how I feel when I

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look at drums. I'm always looking
at a gear. I got guitars over

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here in the corner. You know, just something about it that I love.

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It attracts me. But it's fun
to play. And I still,

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you know, every day I want
to get up and I want to play

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my drums, and when I don't, I kind of feel guilty about it.

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So I think that's just in me. You know, it's just the

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way it is, and it's Someone
asked me about my daughter, who is

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a music teacher in a public school, and they said, oh, you

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must have really wanted your daughter to
be a musician. I had a recording

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when she was born, so she
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a nanny who was there, and
my daughter was with me all the time.

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And I said, no, you, oh you must you know,

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do you push her to play this? I'm like, she's got a whole

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studio full of equipment. She's interested
in something. It's right there every day

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for her. But I never said
a word about it, and because I

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didn't want her to be like me. If I hear sneakers in the dryer,

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I'm listening to the rhythm, you
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I'm listening to the edit point when
I turned the radio and I'm listening

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to how do they do that?
Listen to the way they've stacked the vocals,

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listen to the rhythm section, how
do they do what's that based on?

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Is that a fretless Your brain is
going all the time. And people

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used to say to me after we
come out of a long session and I

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turned the radio and like, well, you want to listen to more music.

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I'm like yeah, And so that's
that's just it. And I didn't

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want to. That's a curse to
me, you know, as much as

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I love it, it's it's something
that'said I wanted. My daughter did not

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have that, and she doesn't.
You know, she's a brilliant musician.

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She's the quote real musician in the
family. But you know she doesn't have

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that compulsive I must play and I
must do all these things. So that's

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a good thing, just not in
her head all the time, torturing her

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like it does mean. But at
the same time I say torture, I

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love it. What a great viewpoint, though, because you know it's funny

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as you're saying that, you and
I talked before getting on that. You

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know, I played drums for nine
years from a little kid, and then

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you know, I played them the
school band, school orchestra, and I

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ended up realizing that that kind of
sucked, but probably for that reason that

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I didn't have that same obsession over
it, like I wanted to do it

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and I loved it, but I
didn't love love it. And it's funny

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you brought me back when you talked
about the practice pad, because I think

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part of what turned me off too
is similar story, but you went in

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different directions. I had that practice
pad for like years and bord the crap

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at me and then yes, but
my dad finally got me a drum set

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because I kept begging for one,
beggar. It was like this little crappy

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one. So I was like kind
of kind disenchanted, but you have to

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figure it. Yeah, absolutely,
it opens the world to you. My

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first drum kit was a crappy couldn't
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drum set. So I found a
Japanese and this guy was kind of a

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shister, and my mother was working
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the window, and so we show
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signed this installment agreement for sixty dollars
a month, which was a lot of

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money back then, and for you
know, sixty dollars a month for this

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crappy Japanese set called name was Gracy
Drums, and I still have the receipt

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for it, believe it or not. But you know, it was all

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we could afford. But parents didn't
know. You know, you're sure your

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dad didn't know. They didn't know
what to buy. They you know,

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they just like, oh, a
drum set, like all drum sets are

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equal to somebody who doesn't know,
so, you know, and I didn't

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know either. So this Gracie drum
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you know, two mounted or two
tom times, a mounted time, a

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floor time, a snare, a
high hat, a ride symbol, a

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crash symbol. Like I was like, wow, this is a big kit.

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So that's all I cared about.
And it got me through until it

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started falling apart. But by then
I was able to buy little pieces to

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replace it and got me started.
And here you are, new album,

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absolutely awesome. How do people get
the new music? Check out the new

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music, get the new album,
connect with you guys on socials on the

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web, all that good stuff.
The Rods dot Com is a good place

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and of course on Facebook Official The
Rods. The Rods Official fan page,

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I think is where you go and
Carl Kennedy, David Rockfeinstein, Freddie Vallano.

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You can find us on Facebook,
Instagram, We're all you know,

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we're there. The Rods. Just
search for us and we always love to

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hear from people, so you know, definitely come and say hi. Let

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us know what you think about the
new album. We're very proud of it.

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We think it's one of our best
since the first album, and our

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new bass player Freddie, has added
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Just it's been a huge, huge
move forward for us, a big

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basically the big Vitamin B shot for
the band. Nice I love it.

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Is there anything else you want to
share with the listeners that we haven't covered

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array that they need to know about
you and the Rocks, Well, the

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Ron We're going to Australia with doing
a bill with Ross the Boss and Anvil,

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So this is like old whole week
because you know, Ross and I

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were bandmates in the First Man of
War, in the early Man of War

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genesis of that band, and so
we've been friends for all those years and

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all these years, and then of
course Buddy's and Anvil. We're good friends

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with those guys, so I love
them and I can't wait to hang with

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them. So we're really excited.
It's going to be old homework. So

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we're doing four dates in Australia starting
in March, and I need to get

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the dates together, but it's you
know, i'll be posting stuff on that,

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but it's it's going to be fun
in Australia, and then we have

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other regional dates that will be coming
up and hopefully from European as well.

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Love it, Love you guys.
I'm glad you're still making great music and

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I think everybody needs to check you
out. Get the new album, and

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uh, you know, anywhere you
play, hey live music's the best and

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you guys are still killing it.
So thank you so much giving me oh

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my pleasure, thank you. I
appreciating on the adventures of pipe Man,

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no problem, thank you. And
oh, by the way, I have

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a new book coming out. Oh
I's about that. That's an autobiography.

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And you know, as you can
see in the wall behind me, forty

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five plus albums I've produced are recorded
and so you know, it's a pretty

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interesting book, I think, I
hope we'll see you never know until they

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put it out, but a lot
of information in it, so I'll be

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posting on that soon, so I'll
let you know about that, all right,

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cool, So if people want to
keep updated on that, they just

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check you out on the socials and
they'll find out more about the book as

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it as knows long well, cool, I love it, and hey look

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forward to seeing a lot more of
you. Great. Thank you so much

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my pleasure. Thank you for listening
to the Adventures of tight Man. I'm

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w for CUI Radio.